Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Shinn had a "maniac face" because he was happy, no more no less.

@Shinji: WTF are you smoking? Since when does Shinn like killing? He does it to protect and save stuff, he isn't a fucking bloodthirsty nutcase.

I still say many of you let your hatred for Shinn cloud your judgement over what's happening in the show.

Shinn had that face because he was celebrating avenging Stellar in his head.

However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time. He didn't attempt to actually protect Stellar first dumping her on Neo and then standing there as Kira disabled destroy. In fact I can't think of a single time Shinn has ever fought to protect anything even when the Minerva has been attacked he has chosen to fight head on rather then to actually prevent the Minerva from taking damage. When they attempted to leave orb he simply got ticked off at the EA fleet and took the opertunity to get revenge for damaging his ego. When he saw the EA base being built and the civilians were being oppressed he took it upon himself to simply kill everyone in sight and take no prisoners not in fact choosing to protect the people from the possible shrapnel that he caused by shooting everything in site pointlessly.

I challenge you to give a single example where Shinns actions were purely for the purpose of protecting anything.

[Jurojin]

He didn't attempt to actually protect Stellar first dumping her on Neo and then standing there as Kira disabled destroy.

A) He HAD to give Stellar to Neo, or she would have died, plain and simple. I know it sucks, but Shinn could either give her to Neo and hope beyond reason that Neo didn't get her killed, or just watch helplessly as a loved one died right next to him. Again. Unless you're thinking that ZAFT would miraculously come up with a way to treat her with limited specialty equipment an a war vessel.

B) He was still trying to calm Stellar down. He was focused on her and her mental state, not on what Freedom was doing. If Freedom was not in Stellar's line of vision, she would not have fired her cannons, and Freedom wouldn't have needed to disable Destroy to save Shinn. I'm not saying it's Freedom's fault exactly, as Kira didn't know exactly who and what was going on, but saying that it in any way Shinn's fault is pure fiction. He had her calmed down. She had stopped firing, because of Shinn, and if given some more time, he prolly could have coaxed her out.

[heero]

Originally posted by: DDBen

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Shinn had a "maniac face" because he was happy, no more no less.

@Shinji: WTF are you smoking? Since when does Shinn like killing? He does it to protect and save stuff, he isn't a fucking bloodthirsty nutcase.

I still say many of you let your hatred for Shinn cloud your judgement over what's happening in the show.

Shinn had that face because he was celebrating avenging Stellar in his head.

However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time. He didn't attempt to actually protect Stellar first dumping her on Neo and then standing there as Kira disabled destroy. In fact I can't think of a single time Shinn has ever fought to protect anything even when the Minerva has been attacked he has chosen to fight head on rather then to actually prevent the Minerva from taking damage. When they attempted to leave orb he simply got ticked off at the EA fleet and took the opertunity to get revenge for damaging his ego. When he saw the EA base being built and the civilians were being oppressed he took it upon himself to simply kill everyone in sight and take no prisoners not in fact choosing to protect the people from the possible shrapnel that he caused by shooting everything in site pointlessly.

I challenge you to give a single example where Shinns actions were purely for the purpose of protecting anything.

I take ur challenge and here's the example. Remember way back when Athrun just came back to zaft and Shinn didnt listen to Athrun's orders and destroyed the base(earth alliance's I think) and saved the men who were forced to work there by pulling away the fence so they could go back to their families. And then Athrun yelled at him for not obeying his orders. You should look at how Shinn became a zaft pilot. It started when his family was killed because of war. Now he is out to get all those who is trying to start wars. Look at his face when destroy was destroying cities and killing innocent people when he didnt know stellar was piloting it. Was he enjoying that? Nope, he was saying why would anyone want to do that. As for killing everyone that is fighting against zaft, well that's his job. He is a soldier afterall. But he does seem like a maniac taking revenge on ppl who has hurted him (kinda like Sasuke in Naruto).

Originally posted by: valkirie19
Kira and Lacus met Shinn earlier in the show on Orb before Zaft was expelled. The only reason Shinn won that battle was he a Rey did there homework and used the tactic that Kira doesn't kll to their advantage, not to mention his endless supply of gundam parts. Next battle he won't be so lucky.

you should read my reply on the 10th page. Tactic does not mean luck, it means using ur brain btw and that was smart of him to use his impulse effectively since its not as good as freedom.

Originally posted by: valkirie19
Not to mention he's always crying about losing a family member or friend. What about everyone else in the show, Kira, Fley,Cagali,Athrun, Lacus. They never went off the deep end like Shinn has. Kira and Athrun did fight to the death against each other in GS, but not for reasons like Shinn. I 'm sorry but their friends weren't out commiting genocide on whole cities.

you should count the number of times Kira cried in GS, I can promise you its at least as much as Shinn did if not more. And that fight where Kira and Athrun fought was because they both killed each other's friend so they both gone really mad at each other so I dont see how it was different xcept for the fact that none of their frds destroyed cities.

Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
By the way, Shinn doesn't know who Kira is, he only blames the "Freedom pilot" for his misery. When they met, they were all buddy like. Kira might be Shinn's mentor (although I recent that idea). Kira is too good for Shinn.

I dont even think they were like buddies at all. It was the first and only time they met so it was more like strangers talking to each other politly. I wonder why they show that flashback of them meeting though cause I doubt Shinn knows who is piloting freedom...

[Digitalgirl]

Originally posted by: heero

Originally posted by: DDBen

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Shinn had a "maniac face" because he was happy, no more no less.

@Shinji: WTF are you smoking? Since when does Shinn like killing? He does it to protect and save stuff, he isn't a fucking bloodthirsty nutcase.

I still say many of you let your hatred for Shinn cloud your judgement over what's happening in the show.

Shinn had that face because he was celebrating avenging Stellar in his head.

However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time. He didn't attempt to actually protect Stellar first dumping her on Neo and then standing there as Kira disabled destroy. In fact I can't think of a single time Shinn has ever fought to protect anything even when the Minerva has been attacked he has chosen to fight head on rather then to actually prevent the Minerva from taking damage. When they attempted to leave orb he simply got ticked off at the EA fleet and took the opertunity to get revenge for damaging his ego. When he saw the EA base being built and the civilians were being oppressed he took it upon himself to simply kill everyone in sight and take no prisoners not in fact choosing to protect the people from the possible shrapnel that he caused by shooting everything in site pointlessly.

I challenge you to give a single example where Shinns actions were purely for the purpose of protecting anything.

I take ur challenge and here's the example. Remember way back when Athrun just came back to zaft and Shinn didnt listen to Athrun's orders and destroyed the base(earth alliance's I think) and saved the men who were forced to work there by pulling away the fence so they could go back to their families. And then Athrun yelled at him for not obeying his orders. You should look at how Shinn became a zaft pilot. It started when his family was killed because of war. Now he is out to get all those who is trying to start wars. Look at his face when destroy was destroying cities and killing innocent people when he didnt know stellar was piloting it. Was he enjoying that? Nope, he was saying why would anyone want to do that. But he does seem like a maniac taking revenge on ppl who has hurted him (kinda like Sasuke in Naruto).

Shinn just wanted to be the "hero". It made him feel like he was almighty and powerful and better than everyone else.
and Shinn is NOT trying to stop the people who are starting wars. [Where did you get this insane idea from anyways?] He just wants revenge, and to "destroy the enemy"[If he continues this, the war will NEVER stop...unless they blow up Earth.] Shin is one of the one's keeping the war going. He refuses to see that anyone but himself has been hurt, and the pain and suffering he must have caused countless families because of his stupid, yet militaristic thoughts.
[To other people on this forum: Please forgive me if I sound like I'm just repeating your thoughts and stuff. I'll find the quotes and stuff if it's that big a deal.]

[Terracosmo]

@DDBen, for the sake of variety:
"However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time."

Killing out of vengeance does NOT equal that someone ENJOYS killing.