Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

[Shinji Ikari]

Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
You peeps out there, there's no reason at all that you should hate Shinn. The writers made it in purpose that we should feel like hating him, perhaps becoz we already convinced ourselves that Kira and friends are the "good guys". I understand Shinn's situation and I respect him. Anyway, damn, Kira lost to Shinn? WTF? hahahahaha, Some guy mentioned that Shinn could never match up to Kira? That's completely a stupid opinion at all. So what if he's the "ultimate coordinator", Its true that it was mentioned in GS, but what was not mentioned was how exactly he was "ultimate". Was he ultimate in sports? Music? of In battle? or in everything? So being "ultimate" is irrelevant on determining who is better among the two. It's right that they're MS have different unique abilities, and they just used everything they got in the battle, (maybe not Kira) but I think Shinn has the potential to beat Kira to his fullest. (someday)

The only thing I hate about the plot is when someone dies in an absurd way, so unexplainable that they still survive in the end, is a very cheesy and lame way to continue the story with the same characters.

No, it was mentioned in what way Kira was ultimate... It was because he could become the best in everything, if he set his mind to it... Kira told us in the beginning of GS that a cordinator could only become better than the Natural if he tried, that he had the "capability". And Kira is above that of the normal cordinators capability.

[XwingRob]

I'm pretty sure that big explosion at the end was from Taunhauser as well.
I think it's pretty obvious now that the only purpose of Impulse was to take down Kira in Freedom. The Chairman probaly had all the data on Freedom from Jakin Due, said to engineers, "Make a unit to defeat this" and then gave it to Shinn.
Granted that's all pure speculation, but if Dullindal wanted Freedom out of the way, it makes sense. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[darkshadow]

well im not sure if that explosion was the tannhauser, i mean if it was, AA should be scrapped, wouldnt that make athrun scream CAGALLI!! instead of KIRA??

btw can some 1 tell me what song that is that plays when shinn fights kira? it plays in some other fights aswell ( gaia vs, impulse saviour )

[XwingRob]

Well, this is where I would say that the artist goofed alot and that the explosion looked too typical. Most likely the explosion is a result with the Taunhauser reacting with the water. The explosion should have looked like a steam explosion or something.

[Zwielicht]

Well we know the Shin's anti ship sword went through the torso and not the cockpit of Freedom since I think the cockpit in Freedom is in the pointed chest thing.. As for that explosion it does give the impression of a nuclear explosion but as it was stated before could just be an arist mistake. The first explosion from Taunshaurer was most likely AA since AA was the target of that attack not Freedom. I thought that slice that Kira attempted at Shin was nice but it was not meant to kill he did the same thing to yzak when he first got Freedom. Also don't you think we should give more credit to Rey than Shin? It was Shin than pulled the plan off but it was Rey that came up with it.

Personally I still feel that Kira is more skilled than Shin. The reason why Shin and Rey had to make a plan and use Imuplse to its full advantage was for that reason, to close the distance in skill between Shin and Kira. You might argue that Kira had a better suit well it works both ways that Shin had Impulse. Impulse had the advantage of multple interchangable parts so even if Shin got completed owned at one point he can just switch out which works great since he knows that Freedom wont go for the cockpit. One dissapointment is the lack of emotion on Kira's part. To me this was a one way battle not in the sense of domination but emotional. However Kira did lose this fight. You have to take his godlike skills with his moral code since this is who Kira is but this battle will lead towards good things in the end hopefully.

It sets Shin up for a great fall which I am looking fowards to. Shin has potential as a character once his ego trip ends I think. He's one of the those characters you love to hate. You hate him with all your being but you love watching it when gets whats coming or if he changes his ways but as it was mentioned the creators are making Shin out this way on purpose most likely. Also I would perfer that Kira lose this battle and win in the later on. I think most people who like Kira would agree they'd rather have Kira lose this battle but win the war in the end because the next time these two meet I doubt Kira is going to be as careless as he was now and take Shin seriously.

[romancing_xaga]

Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari

Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
You peeps out there, there's no reason at all that you should hate Shinn. The writers made it in purpose that we should feel like hating him, perhaps becoz we already convinced ourselves that Kira and friends are the "good guys". I understand Shinn's situation and I respect him. Anyway, damn, Kira lost to Shinn? WTF? hahahahaha, Some guy mentioned that Shinn could never match up to Kira? That's completely a stupid opinion at all. So what if he's the "ultimate coordinator", Its true that it was mentioned in GS, but what was not mentioned was how exactly he was "ultimate". Was he ultimate in sports? Music? of In battle? or in everything? So being "ultimate" is irrelevant on determining who is better among the two. It's right that they're MS have different unique abilities, and they just used everything they got in the battle, (maybe not Kira) but I think Shinn has the potential to beat Kira to his fullest. (someday)

The only thing I hate about the plot is when someone dies in an absurd way, so unexplainable that they still survive in the end, is a very cheesy and lame way to continue the story with the same characters.

No, it was mentioned in what way Kira was ultimate... It was because he could become the best in everything, if he set his mind to it... Kira told us in the beginning of GS that a cordinator could only become better than the Natural if he tried, that he had the "capability". And Kira is above that of the normal cordinators capability.

I still think Shinn could pose a challenge to Kira's skills, even surpass Asuran's.

[Rosak]

Good episode, but Ummm I'm not sure if this was already discussed but.... if Kira did die, wouldn't they give him a death scene? and if this was in real life, Impulse shoulda gone bye-bye with Kira. And I can't wait to see what Asuran is gonna do to Shinn. (how about Lacus getting a cool Mobile Suit and going on rampage to avenge Kira? Now that would be a good episode)

[Terracosmo]

Awwww, too bad for the Kira-elitists that someone better came along. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Blaming it on his changable parts eh? Well guess what, Freedom is a way better gundam than Impulse so Kira had the advantage to begin with.
Also, to be able to switch parts accordingly is SKILL.

KIRA'S DEAD!

Or rather, I'd wish he was. Not that I don't like him, but it would be damn cool.
Actually, he looks kinda dead. Though somehow I'm reluctant to believe they'd kill him off.
Ah well.

Great episode, regardless. And a real shocker in it's own right.

Shinn rules!

[Pwas]

Hey, i've been on this forum for sometime now and after seeing this episode i decided to join and tell you guys to stop hating on Shin. It shows that his pilots skills are extremely good and capable of competing with Kira. Most of you guys are on Kira's ass because he was crazy in GS but now we are watching GSD. And for THOSE who claim that Kira wasnt in seed mode. Please REWATCH this episode and you can see it in his eyes that he was in SEED Mode before Shin went into it, the director didnt show Kira go into Seed Mode because it wanted us to catch it ourselfs instead of being little kids and having them show us everything. This battle was equally matched and Shin won because he was oragnized. I too find Kira and freedom to be crazy good but think about how over powered he is and when you watch this episode it shows that a mobile doesnt determine a gundams strenght its the pilots fighting style.

Ima get burnt soo badly but i dont care because i watch GSD for the fighting and the new models i can side with neither because i dont care whose the better character as long as they can show me some intense battle scenes.

Thank You Very Much .

http://tinypic.com/5wvyf8
^ Click That For Evidence of Shin and Kira in SEED MODE

[Terracosmo]

I just love how Shinn goes "I won't let you always have your way!". So awesome.
Kira flies around thinking he can do whatever he wants. God, I love it when the goody twoshoes gets beat. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[darkshadow]

yup kira was seed from the beginning defending AA, back to the explosion thing, it CANT be AA, because the tannhauser already hit it, and we did see a explosion, if however the follow up to that explosion was that big nuke thing, that would mean AA blew up and every1 on it is dead, it has to be freedoms explosion, or like that post above some sort of weird reaction with the water or a artist mistake, freedoms chest probably got propelled somewhere, kinda like a cork popping of a champagne bottle, saving kira


and ofcourse SHINN ROCKS!!!, DIE KIRA XD!!!

edit:
could some1 plz tell me that song name???

[Splash!]

someone, please tell me what is up with that Rick Dom II i saw at the end. The new suit apparently the clyne faction is designing. Are they introducing the Rick Dom to this series too?

Edit: Don't even bother replying to this. Obviously u can tell i am not very upto date about what mecha is gonna be released in the future

[ChaosK]

i hate to say this but, shinn isnt going to die anytime soon, i'm predicting he ends up teaming together with strike-freedom and infinate justice just like what happened in GS.

[LaZie]

I bet Kira left the bottom half of Freedom and flew off somewhere else with the other half.

[EpoC]

this was a Great episode! unexptected ending and all.
little dissapointed that kira lost, but that's a good plottwist.
if he really dies than that would be a even greater twist. I'm a Kira fan all the way so when Kira is gone, Shinn that ****** brat is taking over as the GOD dressed as an Gundam.
now he will be even more arrogant that he will go around and think he can take on anybody.
Hope athrun Goes at him with violence in the next ep, first violence then emotionly that Shinn killed the guy who was like a Brother to him.
AHH what a great series this is, and AHH oh-so again.

[GLS]

Amazing episode! The fight was just as good as I would've expected.

Originally posted by: Rosak
if Kira did die, wouldn't they give him a death scene?

I was thinking that, too. They just showed the one quick scene of him before the explosion.

I don't think he's dead.

[romancing_xaga]

Of course Kira didn't died. Then what the heck is the ending song showing then, w/S-Freedom and Kira in front means? Yes, if he did died, they would emphasize his death scene, but rather after showing Shinn stab him, they just showed the explosion. Meaning there might be a slight moment wherein he must've escaped, or braced himself for impact. Take note that the penetration on Kira's cockpit wasn't showed from the inside, unlike Nikoru's, auel's and Heine's, which awesomely showed there bloody body being hit. This might mean that somehow he wasn't hit by the sword, or avoided critical damage from it. But, yes, it is very likely that he died. If he did escaped, perhaps he dived in the ocean.

Archangel already submerged in the waters b4 getting hit by Taunhauser. The explosion took place first b4 the explosion of Kira's mobile suit. And 1 more factor that might lessen Kira's chance of survival is the fact that the very strong explosion caused by the nuclear battery is so strong that nothing should be left. Shinn should be more damaged than what he is now, he shouldn't be even still standing there, he should be flinging away from the blast.

Unless, there's a Kira clone : )

Also, I believe that why Kira lost is that he was startled on how he underestimated Shinn's abilities. Also, he used his usual tactics, so Shinn came prepared. The pressure of the situation also contributed on his lost. I think if Kira just ran away he should still be with AA right now. I am stunned by Shinn's performance by the way.hehehhe

[fenix000]

KKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A..................!

This is exactly what went through my mind when i saw him get Pwnd! by shin!
I have been watching GSD since it came out and i must say that was one killer of a ep. Id just like 2 note a few things on my mind and whats been said on this forum.

1. Kira was in Seed mod, if u havnt noticed.. then u must lack some oberservation skills.

2. I prettty sure there was to explosions coz they both looked different....(note: someone said there was no steam when the Minerva shot AA, well wawtch it again! and u c white smoke when it was fired.) the first explosion was the AA been hit and that was shown clearly when it happend, and then the screen changes and shows u yet another explosion, im guessing it can only b kira's Gundam!

(If u didnt notice in GS when kira fought asran his gundam was bound with the agis and blown up ! but kira still had phase shift at the time and it made alot of difference towards his survival. His gundam was destroyed and yet he stil lived. this concept can be applied to Mwu surviving his gundam and also kira suriving again in this defeat! After all.! its not the first time kira has been exposed to a big explosion. nothing new there!)

-As for Shin surviving well he has phase shift aswell which pretty much absorb much of the blast and is the reason why he is still standing! dont forget the new parts he got from switching!

3.Kira did fight in seed mod. He also fought in seed mode when he was trying 2 rescue Fray allister in GS ! he got his head smashed becoz he was careless trying to save the life pod! so he was'nt metally focused! and is the reason for kira's fall. I simply dont care if kira is the so called, " Ultimate Co-Ordinator" im pretty sure the director clearly shows u that even with kira's Great skills! he is clumsy, he makes mistakes, he is'nt always focused, he cries like a baby and his friends stat that aswell. esp asran!! To me! i have discovered it shows us no matter how good u are! or what skills u posses.. u are never gona b god-like. You can only do your best and kira himself said that. After all there human beens in the end, Be Extended or Co-ordinator.

4. Ok i have to say this ..Asran u fag! snap out of it! he should leave Minerva and go AA! Though i still think asran is'nt gona do anything about it even with kira's Death! i get the feeling its gona drag on. I hope im wrong there. and he beats the shit out of Shin and REY! WHo da helldoes rey think he is .! interfering like that when asran has the Authority and power to kick his blondie ass.!

5.Shin crying and laughing at the end.. ummmmmm hello.. signs of Insanity.. thats how i describe it ! the poor young boy has been exposed to war for too long and has grown such a big head! this has made him crack many times and with this, his fall will come! ------Swiftly by kira [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Just on a side note.. god how many notes do i need to make ! Shins losing it aswell even though his skill raises greatly its coming at a price for his humanity! he is a unbelivable moster on the battlegrounds and that i say without a doubt in my mind! his skills are equal to kira's due to the situation been chaotic and kira's no kill policy.

Im not a kira's Crazed fan but i do like him .. my fav would have 2 be Mwu! Dead or alive he is still a legend ! i also like Bartifield aswell.. duno how to pronouce his name.. =S

And as for u shin lovers.............. Enjoy the moment while u still can.. coz if kira doesnt kill him.. someone else will [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] ------------

[ChaosK]

1. the word is mode, not mod
2. its shinn

and now, we've all been hoping for athurn to fuck up shinn for a long time, and i dont think kira's dead either. if the eyes are the key signs to seed mode, does that mean lacus has seed mode? (if you look in GS while shes in the eternal speaking at episode 49 (or 48) her eyes become like that too, yet she hasnt even fought in a mobile suit.

[XwingRob]

Originally posted by: LaZyKiD
I bet Kira left the bottom half of Freedom and flew off somewhere else with the other half.

Yes, if that huge explosion at the end was Freedom blowing up, I think this is the likely scenario.

Edit: After watching the episode again, the big explosion has to be the Freedom, because the explosion occurs from the side of Minerva.