Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: Curium

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I wonder if there's anyone here who actually thinks DDBen's Shinn theories make sense.

They make more sense then most of the things you spout.

Eh? Spout? Shut the fuck up. Whenever I write something about Shinn I only use the show itself as source material. Things can't make much more sense than that now can they?

Also, if you are referring to the Yzak stuff, you should know how serious those statements are.

Also #2, do something about the way you phrase your posts. This is not the first time they have come off as a lot more offensive than necessary. If you can't do that, don't bother to reply to what I write.

Edit: I can't believe there are more people here than DDBen who actually thinks things like "Shinn drowned Stellar" makes sense. My hope for this forum has reached yet another new low. What the fuck happened to all the rational people? God.

@Nai: Please don't go. Don't let me be alone here with all these morons. : (

[ChaosK]

yeah you should know there a few things terra is sarcastically serious about

1. yzak
2. being a transexual
3. uhh i dont know i guess there shouldnt be a three yet.

[Terracosmo]

#2 isn't confirmed though [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[ch4kz]

Kira is not at fault for Heine...he is however for stellar...he did finish the job, even though Shinn may have helped him out a bit.

If Shinn never tore the armour open. Shinn may have not beleived Neo that it was Stellar inside. .So she would have ended up dieing anyway.

[Ahirman]

Eh? Spout? Shut the fuck up. Whenever I write something about Shinn I only use the show itself as source material. Things can't make much more sense than that now can they?
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Also #2, do something about the way you phrase your posts. This is not the first time they have come off as a lot more offensive than necessary. If you can't do that, don't bother to reply to what I write.(

Although this is not on topic, I have to say that comment is a little hypocritcal. I'm sure the whole swearing back didn't make your post more offensive than necessary either eh? The ad hominem's going around are really not necessary.

And as this is my first post, I shall strive to go back on topic in terms of Heine's death. Yes Kira is at fault, indirectly. This cannot be refuted. Taking out all of Heine's weapons in one blow left him defenceless. However, being in FAITH would show he is skilled enough to recover from such a thing. Floating around in the air and watching the foe who ripped you isn't the smartest thing to do, especially on a battlefield. Verdict: Heine dropped the ball there for sure. He did a mistake I would expect a rookie to make but he's not completely at fault.

Furthermore, let's look at at the results of the Archangel's contributions to that battle specifically. Their interference caused Heine's death for sure and possibly a few others but for the most part many were saved. Had Archangel not shown up, surely Minerva would have taken a pounding. Why do I say this? Look at the battle where Athrun got ripped apart by Kira. Before the Archangel appeared, the EAF and Orb alliance were doing a damn good job of pounding the Minerva. Surely they could have done something similar in the earlier battle, although this may not be so as we cannot be sure of the preparation they may have done in comparison to each assault. Meh. Whatever.

Edit: Geh. Being distracted while making a post is bad.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
All right for all of you who want to know how Stellar died I have a theory.

Stellar fell pretty far from Destroy. I don't know how tall destroy is but I believe that when Kira blew up destroy's positron cannons, Stellar was thrust from the cockpit from that height as the cockpit combusted. Destroy was a third to a half a mile from where Shinn found Stellar. Seems to me that Stellar probably broke something pretty important which probably led to her death. All I know is that if she flew out of Destroy like I described that means that it had to be a pretty powerful explosion. If you look at the episode you will see that she had to fly out of the Destroy over all of those demolished buildings then somehow into an open area. As to why there was no blood, lazy animators or that was a really a good and crash safe suit. She probably could've lived for a little while if Shinn hadn't moved her. I'm no doctor but I was aware that you aren't supposed to move someone if they have a serious injury. Shinn picking her up like he did probably is what finally killed Stellar in the end. Thus Stellar's death is Shinn's fault. I seriously doubt that she was still alive when Shinn dropped her in the lake.

For those of you who still can't figure out how Shinn peirced Kira's Shield and Gundam, Shinn threw the first sword and put a gash in Kira's shield and then used the second sword (while moving at full speed) and trust the sword throuh the sword and the gundam. Kira though planned his escape in that very moment. As Kira was stabbed, Kira pointed his sword so that it would end up taking out the Impulses main camera, some sensors, and straight through the left side of the suit as they were engulfed by the blast. As for that explosion it was indeed the Tanhausser reacting with the water because as Talia stated herself that it would be to late once the AA submerged which is why she turned the Minerva. She knew that they would miss and braced it for impact. Kira just fled during the explosion. Why the impulse was so messed up after the smoke cleared, well Kira had to pull out his saber didn't he?

Um do show me where she fell out of Destroy its as good a theory as any don't get me wrong here. I just have placed Shinn as atleast having enough dignity to have gotten her out of the wreckage on his own. Then again if she actually went anywhere near the distance your claiming I find it hard to believe the shrapnel didn't get dug into her skin much less the fact she wasn't more noteably injured with something like a broken neck.

Definate points though on noticing the gash in the shield from the beam boomarang weather or not that kind of damage makes sense from that particular weapon but you are 100% correct it caused the gash that allowed Shinn to penitraight the shield good catch.

P.S. If you actually believe Shinn Drowns Stellar you are a dumbass I simply stated it to reinforce the fact we have no idea how she died. Also note due to someone dumping the body in a lake we never will.

Edit

Originally posted by: Ahirman
And as this is my first post, I shall strive to go back on topic in terms of Heine's death. Yes Kira is at fault, indirectly. This cannot be refuted. Taking out all of Heine's weapons in one blow left him defenceless. However, being in FAITH would show he is skilled enough to recover from such a thing. Floating around in the air and watching the foe who ripped you isn't the smartest thing to do, especially on a battlefield. Verdict: Heine dropped the ball there for sure. He did a mistake I would expect a rookie to make but he's not completely at fault.

Do realise that Stellar wasn't even aiming for Heine at all he litterally floated in the way of her blindly attacking freedom. His death wasn't even planned out by the one who killed him he just made the most retarded move I have ever witnessed by floating around aimlessly and ignoring the early warning device that tell you when a mobile suit is approaching and in this case it got him killed.

[Vegita]

Originally posted by: MeroTZ

Originally posted by: Vegita

Originally posted by: MeroTZ

One thing is for certain though. Had Shinn not exposed Stellar to the outside by cutting open Stellars cockpit, she probably would have been fine.

How's that? He would've stabbed right rhough that cockpit whether or not Shinn cut it open first.

...Except that he never stabbed anywhere near the cockpit?

EDIT: Seriously, did you watch it? he destroyed Destroy's chest cannons, he never went near Stellar herself.

Are you expecting the cockpit plating facing outside to protect her from an internal explosion?

EDIT: lol oops it turns out she was thrown from the cockpit. Oh well I guess she should've worn a seatbelt.

[Motteh]

it cannot be confirmed in any way that Stellar was thrown out of the cockpit
first because all the explosions you see are in front of her, which would not likely cause her to fly out in that direction now would they?
and second, after flying and falling such a distance don't you think she would've atleast broken something?\
not necessarily her neck but maybe an arm or a leg?

[MeroTZ]

Originally posted by: Vegita

Originally posted by: MeroTZ

Originally posted by: Vegita

Originally posted by: MeroTZ

One thing is for certain though. Had Shinn not exposed Stellar to the outside by cutting open Stellars cockpit, she probably would have been fine.

How's that? He would've stabbed right rhough that cockpit whether or not Shinn cut it open first.

...Except that he never stabbed anywhere near the cockpit?

EDIT: Seriously, did you watch it? he destroyed Destroy's chest cannons, he never went near Stellar herself.

Are you expecting the cockpit plating facing outside to protect her from an internal explosion?

EDIT: lol oops it turns out she was thrown from the cockpit. Oh well I guess she should've worn a seatbelt.

Thrown out or not, internal explosions haven't killed anyone yet in this series... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

The fact is, is that a secure cockpit protects her from all kinds of things. Like toxic fumes. Radiation. The intense heat given off by beam and other energy weapons. I mean really, can you imagine breathing in air that had just been cut through by a beam weapon? Your lungs would burn from the inside out. I can hardly imagine a worse way to die.

Regardless, something killed her. However, it may have even been the writers intention to be as vague as possible about Stellars killer. We'll see.

Oh, and Terra... your a great guy, you've always got some great stuff to read. Its a shame you think we're all crazy. Try not to hold it too much against us, eh?

[Sano]

The whole Stellar death has caused many many speculations and theories. My personal theory is that she died (mostly) from shock and cardiovascular failure. Before she died, she was at a near mental overload and was freaking out. This probably led to a heart attack (although she wasn't gagging for air as most heart -attack victims would have.) Shock can kill. An example would be car accidents. Some victims die from car accidents instantly from the mental shock (I'm not quite sure what the correct terminology is) and not always from the physical injuries. Another possibility was that she was pushed to her max limit during the battle, and needed the medication/healing needed. It would have been impossible to adminstrate the therapy to her because she was in the middle of the battle, and when Shinn reached her, her vital systems shutted down.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Sano
The whole Stellar death has caused many many speculations and theories. My personal theory is that she died (mostly) from shock and cardiovascular failure. Before she died, she was at a near mental overload and was freaking out. This probably led to a heart attack (although she wasn't gagging for air as most heart -attack victims would have.) Shock can kill. An example would be car accidents. Some victims die from car accidents instantly from the mental shock (I'm not quite sure what the correct terminology is) and not always from the physical injuries. Another possibility was that she was pushed to her max limit during the battle, and needed the medication/healing needed. It would have been impossible to adminstrate the therapy to her because she was in the middle of the battle, and when Shinn reached her, her vital systems shutted down.

*rolls a dice to determine today's reason Stellar died* hmm and apparently the animators suffered a fatal heart attack and being that nobody left could draw her properly they figured it was in their best intrest to toss her in a lake and be done with it.

Any of these have a possibility however any of them would have resulted in Shinn at the very least attempting CPR. Unless at this particular point Shinn decided that if she couldn't live on the Bunny farm it was best to just let her die and dump the corpse so nobody could carve her up like a turkey.

[Vegita]

lol yes... my fav example is an episode from simpsons where comic book guy and a bunch of his friends are asking zena about discrepencies during zena... and she says

whenever something unexplainable happens... a sorcerer did it.... and then they were silent.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Originally posted by: DDBen

Um do show me where she fell out of Destroy its as good a theory as any don't get me wrong here. I just have placed Shinn as atleast having enough dignity to have gotten her out of the wreckage on his own. Then again if she actually went anywhere near the distance your claiming I find it hard to believe the shrapnel didn't get dug into her skin much less the fact she wasn't more noteably injured with something like a broken neck.

Definate points though on noticing the gash in the shield from the beam boomarang weather or not that kind of damage makes sense from that particular weapon but you are 100% correct it caused the gash that allowed Shinn to penitraight the shield good catch.

P.S. If you actually believe Shinn Drowns Stellar you are a dumbass I simply stated it to reinforce the fact we have no idea how she died. Also note due to someone dumping the body in a lake we never will.

Shinn didn't get her out of that wreckage I think. If you look at the scene you will then realize that Destroy is way to far from that "open area" that Shinn was sitting at. If he did he would have had to fly the impulse on top of the destroy, remove Stellar, get back in the impuse, search for an open area, land, and finally walk about twenty feet from his gundam to prepare for their "dramatic scene". Doesn't really make much sense if you ask me. As to why nothing was broken, there was some broken stuff you just couldn't tell because the animators are getting lazy and starting to rush.

My final theory for Stellars death is that first off Stellar had already taken out three cities nonstop and was well overdue for some rest in her dome thingie. My guess is with the lack of drugs and emotional stress her body finally gave out. It had nothing to do with injuries. It was just a lack of drugs. Thus it is no ones fault that she died. She was screwed anyway you look at it so lets just get over this.

Thanks for the points. I am now going analyzing every episode so that I don't post random things and sound like an baka from now on. I thank you DDBen for enlightening me.

P.S. I didn't belive that Shinn drowning Stellar thing. I just stated it cause it sounded like some were starting to believe it.

Accually Shinn probably did get her out of that wrekage but if he didn't have enough sense to try CPR or steal a deflibulator from the Minerva then I wouldn't put it past him to just find her amongst the destruction that she so rought down upon that innocent city. Yeah I like the second part of my sentence better.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: Ahirman

Eh? Spout? Shut the fuck up. Whenever I write something about Shinn I only use the show itself as source material. Things can't make much more sense than that now can they?
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Also #2, do something about the way you phrase your posts. This is not the first time they have come off as a lot more offensive than necessary. If you can't do that, don't bother to reply to what I write.(

Although this is not on topic, I have to say that comment is a little hypocritcal. I'm sure the whole swearing back didn't make your post more offensive than necessary either eh? The ad hominem's going around are really not necessary.

Although this is not on topic, I have to say that you can go and hang yourself.
But seriously, you don't even know what the hell that is about. Don't butt in, boy.
Also, there's a difference between being offensive by will and being offensive by chance.

Finally, if I want your opinion on the matter in the future I will fucking tell you about it.

[PSJ]

Wow, yet again this thread hit a new low. Stellar died and that's it. Do you really think Shinn would just think "oh fuck she died" and then dump her in the lake while she was breathing in water and splashing around Shinn screams "Fuck you, die so i can get my revenge". Obviously she died and Shinn made sure she was dead before dumping her in the ocean, we just didn't get to see it on screen.

Somehow i dont think it would be as emotional if the episode where he dumped her in the lake started out with him checking if she was alive, doing cpr and when he made sure she wasn't alive went to the lake and the funeral scene is played.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: PSJ
Wow, yet again this thread hit a new low. Stellar died and that's it. Do you really think Shinn would just think "oh fuck she died" and then dump her in the lake while she was breathing in water and splashing around Shinn screams "Fuck you, die so i can get my revenge". Obviously she died and Shinn made sure she was dead before dumping her in the ocean, we just didn't get to see it on screen.

Somehow i dont think it would be as emotional if the episode where he dumped her in the lake started out with him checking if she was alive, doing cpr and when he made sure she wasn't alive went to the lake and the funeral scene is played.

If you actually read the posts you would know Shinn drowning Stellar in a lake was not a serious statement or theory in any way. The point was simply that we were never actually given any reason for Stellar to just kind of drop death like she did.

[MeroTZ]

I'm gonna be all crazy here, and end this discussion once and for all.

Without any evidence, I'm going to state what killed Stellar.

Whiplash. Really, really, really nasty whiplash. And a tumor.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: MeroTZ
I'm gonna be all crazy here, and end this discussion once and for all.

Without any evidence, I'm going to state what killed Stellar.

Whiplash. Really, really, really nasty whiplash. And a tumor.

Having read through the entire topic, I don't think that was crazy at all [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Hail the whiplash theory!

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: DDBen

Originally posted by: PSJ
Wow, yet again this thread hit a new low. Stellar died and that's it. Do you really think Shinn would just think "oh fuck she died" and then dump her in the lake while she was breathing in water and splashing around Shinn screams "Fuck you, die so i can get my revenge". Obviously she died and Shinn made sure she was dead before dumping her in the ocean, we just didn't get to see it on screen.

Somehow i dont think it would be as emotional if the episode where he dumped her in the lake started out with him checking if she was alive, doing cpr and when he made sure she wasn't alive went to the lake and the funeral scene is played.

If you actually read the posts you would know Shinn drowning Stellar in a lake was not a serious statement or theory in any way. The point was simply that we were never actually given any reason for Stellar to just kind of drop death like she did.

I knew that.... The reason i wrote was to stop the fucking discussion about how she died. She died and that's it.

That whiplash theory isn't all that crazy compared to some of the posts here.

[Motteh]

Originally posted by: MeroTZ
I'm gonna be all crazy here, and end this discussion once and for all.

Without any evidence, I'm going to state what killed Stellar.

Whiplash. Really, really, really nasty whiplash. And a tumor.

ever thought about dehydration?
maybe Shinn put her into the lake for that reason?
*hides in case of remorseless replies*