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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    Originally posted by: Jurojin
    @DDBen: All I have to say to you is that you have constantly presented yourself as one who believes that Kira is infallable when compared to Shinn as a pilot, and constantly form very half baked opinions on both Shinn's character, and possibilties in the show. You refuse to acknowledge Shinn in the same leauge of piloting as Rau/Athrun/Kira/Mwu etc, and that skews every attempt of a hypothisis in relation to Kira vs. Shinn.


    @iesu 350z: He's making these opinions on the belief that he's stated before that Shinn just can't possibly beat Kira. In the episode33 thread that got deleted, you'd see it for yourself. As for my quote, what the hell are you talking about?

    Once again you are quite mistaken on my comments. However I will say this. If you have a extremely successful series such as GS and the Main Character in it who was Kira. Then you have many supporting Characters. The only other character who could be argueably a main character is Athrun as they focused a lot of the story on him as well. Now you make a sequal to the series and you decide to do this after you have basically placed both of these character in situations of living happily ever after(this is shown in the shorts that thye made of the GS characters that took place before GSD was even to be made). Now when making the sequal its unreasonable to then start killing off either of the 2 main characters from the first series who were both very well liked(heck they went as far as to create Neo as a result of killing Mwu being so unpopular I suspect). As such I do not believe when we have confirmed suits that EVERYONE knows about aka Strike Freedom and Infinate Justice that are clearly ment for the 2 main characters from the first series that any director would ever kill off either of these characters before at the very least the last 2 episodes of the series. As a direct result to those facts at this point I see no reasonable way the writers could or would kill off Kira. This results in the fact I believed that IF Freedom was to be destroyed to the point that zaft was convinced it was gone this would either result in another pilot(Neo being the only person on the AA capable of fighting at even a remotely convincing level to that of Kira). So you in turn with this episode have the AA trying to get away without giving Zaft what it wants(which is a excuse to further hunt either the AA or go after Orb(as the pilots from Orb on the AA would make wonderful press for invading the country). This leaves the solution of faking your own death and considering the Captain of the Minerva was also against destroying the AA which we saw absolutely no wreckage for after either blast(so it being hit is made severly unlikely). This in turn results in the fact that as Kira, who is undeniably a increadable pilot at this point, is very unlikely to have freedom destroyed in the manor it was portrayed.

    This results in 2 possibilities in my eye's.
    1: That the writers have officially decided that Kira has to go and are willing to kill him off in order to make Shinn more popular.
    2: The writers wanted to make the AA and Zaft fight seem to be taken care of so they could further the storyline and introduce the new MS's in order to sell more models. The only reason Kira would get a better suit is because he was defeated in freedom. We already know Kira is getting Strike Freedom and if anyone thinks thats a spoiler I'm sorry but to me this is a fact that has been displayed in the series. Unless of course you think Calgari is getting Strike freedom to avenge her brother. So what better thing to do then have Kira fake his death, as done in GS where it wasn't so much faked but after the Athrun/Kira battle he was picked up by Lacus and given Freedom to replace strike. Thus utalizing something you already know your viewers will accept.

    To me this doesn't even involve Shinn who at this point is doing nothing but acting completely insane at the moment. I don't disagree that they are depicting him as getting more skillful. I more of see this episode as showing that he's reached the limits of Impulse being useful to him as he's mastered it and it no longer would allow his skills to grow. In doing this they reasonably are able to introduce Destiny which Shinn will be piloting as this is GSD(estiny) and he is the main character. Right now the remaining part of the series is going to be about setting up the final battles and defining where each of the main and sub characters will stand in the final battle.

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    Shinn is already popular. It's just people has been attached to Kira's "main character" view that they block their view on Shinn's role, therefore unable to recognise him as the main character and treat him as an anti-hero, more on as an antagonist. Others who say that he's evil and all of that crap shows how unjust their feelings toward him and Kira. With Freedom's destruction, the others perhaps hated Shinn even more, and some liked him even more.

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
    Shinn is already popular. It's just people has been attached to Kira's "main character" view that they block their view on Shinn's role, therefore unable to recognise him as the main character and treat him as an anti-hero, more on as an antagonist. Others who say that he's evil and all of that crap shows how unjust their feelings toward him and Kira. With Freedom's destruction, the others perhaps hated Shinn even more, and some liked him even more.
    When introduced Shinn was really shown as a character who lost everything due to war. At this point in the series most people saw him as a possible hero in the series and yes shinn is absolutely a main character I have never argued this. However, as the series progresses Shinn's actions become more and more disagreeable for the average viewer this is clearly how he is written showing him slowly sinking into a quagmire losing any sense of justice he may have once stood for. The net result is people are going to dislike him more and more on a personal level. I don't personally think he is a badley written character I just happen to feel that he's a slimeball in this anime. A personal dislike or even hatred felt toward a character does not mean that a person can't feel that the character is well designed by the writers. In the end it seems they took a chapter from starwars and made him into Anakin turning into vader. In the end perhaps if he dies he will in turn regain his humanity but at this point even the most avid shinn fan should be able to admit he's been making a misguided fall from grace during this entire series.

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    Originally posted by: Jurojin
    @DDBen: All I have to say to you is that you have constantly presented yourself as one who believes that Kira is infallable when compared to Shinn as a pilot, and constantly form very half baked opinions on both Shinn's character, and possibilties in the show. You refuse to acknowledge Shinn in the same leauge of piloting as Rau/Athrun/Kira/Mwu etc, and that skews every attempt of a hypothisis in relation to Kira vs. Shinn.


    @iesu 350z: He's making these opinions on the belief that he's stated before that Shinn just can't possibly beat Kira. In the episode33 thread that got deleted, you'd see it for yourself. As for my quote, what the hell are you talking about?
    LOL well kira cannot just die here, he is an important charater that will impact shinn more then anything in the series, if kira dies now the story would just go down hill? probably with a snapped shinn (another stellar) raping everyone! kira needs to come back to give him a good spanking

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    Originally posted by: DDBen
    Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
    Shinn is already popular. It's just people has been attached to Kira's "main character" view that they block their view on Shinn's role, therefore unable to recognise him as the main character and treat him as an anti-hero, more on as an antagonist. Others who say that he's evil and all of that crap shows how unjust their feelings toward him and Kira. With Freedom's destruction, the others perhaps hated Shinn even more, and some liked him even more.
    When introduced Shinn was really shown as a character who lost everything due to war. At this point in the series most people saw him as a possible hero in the series and yes shinn is absolutely a main character I have never argued this. However, as the series progresses Shinn's actions become more and more disagreeable for the average viewer this is clearly how he is written showing him slowly sinking into a quagmire losing any sense of justice he may have once stood for. The net result is people are going to dislike him more and more on a personal level. I don't personally think he is a badley written character I just happen to feel that he's a slimeball in this anime. A personal dislike or even hatred felt toward a character does not mean that a person can't feel that the character is well designed by the writers. In the end it seems they took a chapter from starwars and made him into Anakin turning into vader. In the end perhaps if he dies he will in turn regain his humanity but at this point even the most avid shinn fan should be able to admit he's been making a misguided fall from grace during this entire series.
    shinns role had bad timing and placement, if it were different shinn would be smothered with fan love love~

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    I guess my point is to you that you just won't accept option #3 in this. Which is:

    3)Kira was surprised and taken down by Shinn, which totaled Freedom. Kira survives (he's had similar impossible brushes with death) this, and is given Strike Freedom after he recovers. No brilliant tactical maneuvering on Kira's part, none of this "give Kira more uberness."

    Even the best of people falter every now and then. Do you forget how Freedom got ripped up by the druggies when he stopped focusing on his enemies, but instead on Fllay's escape pod? Kira has shown to be fallible, and that his concern for his sister and the AA could briefly distract him from Shinn, which allowed the final blow, is a much more real and believable assumption than "he faked it."

    Honestly, I like Kira for the person he is, but if the writers just start randomly giving him more abilities out of the blue, I'm going to start hating him. He's fine with the few flaws he has, leave him alone >_<

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    I agree with DDben and jurojin

    Kira is def. not dead, there is no evident proof that freedom actually blew up...the parts around impulse are some of freeedom's AND Impulse's PARTs. Impulse is not whole at the end of the ep. Kira is most def. alive. They most likely won't reveal anything relevent about Kira for another two episodes. This will be Athuran's wake up call to reality.

    They needed to get rid of Freedom somehow just so Kira could get Strike Freedom. I didn't expect it to happend like this though. I expected Destiny to take out Feedom.

    Shinn's role like iesu said above was a t a bad time....
    I once looked at shinn as a possible Hero character as well. I used to like him, but his actions make me think oitherwise and I grew to dislike him.Shinn may be popular, but not even close to being as popular as Kira. Plus they both have main character roles. It was already stated by the director that Kira was the main character of GSD and it is obvious that Shinn is as well, but Kira will remain the Hero character of the two main characters of the show...because if you haven't noticed Shinn is going a bit insane. He may come out of it, but there are only 16 eps left...and the last 5 or so will be the final battles not much room for emotional change just hot fights...so technically there will only be like 11 more episodes for Shinn to have a change in mentality. Dullindal is using Shinn and Shinn most lilkely will never realize this because he like worships the guy. Shinn is a main character I agree with you on that, But kira being viewed as a main character also does not block peoples views of Shinn being a main character...because in GS there were TWO main character...so its only fair that in GSD there are TWO...mayb even three if they get athuran to wake up.

    sorry for any errors onm spelling ect.

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    here we go again..with the technicalities..hahahahaha


    If Kira was really to DIE, it shouldn't be like that in ep34. If he really died that way, that will probably leave a question in the series......was it a fluke? hahahahhahaha If he should die, they should at least give him a decent battle.

    Anyway, writers should really put some specific explanation regarding small details, such as how one survived an unescapable death. How Kira got new abilities..and so on.

    It's interesting what kind of character is Shinn, it seem to contradict what viewers should see on him.

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
    basicly I agree with what your saying....
    Good then perhaps you can start actually reading my posts instead of stating they are random Shinn hate [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

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    Ya they reallt should be more clear about what is happening. But if Kira was going to die I would expect them to make it more dramatic and actually show some blood and stuff...plus he had a terrible battle. Shinn rocked him even though it was blahh...Episode 35 should be hot though we will finally get to see some new models in action.

    After nex episode i jsut can't wait to see strike freedom in action.

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    Ok, first I'd like to state that while I like Kira's character better, and I dislike Shinn, I think its a good sign that Shinn actually HAS character if we are capable of hating him (We all know of some characters here and there that were so boring we could have cared less).

    Yes, Shinn completely beat Kira. I'm don't want to sound like I'm complaining, since I've agreed with the points made on both sides of the argument. Personally I wouldn't have had it any other way, Kira needed a defeat to make him seem less God Like, I would have just expected Kira to do much more damage to Shinn before the explosion took them both out.

    About the explosion, I think it is Curium that I agree with. It is not possible for a sword wound anywhere on the Freedom to cause a nuclear explosion, reactors don't work that way, plus the N-Jammer Cancellers, and all the other points already brought up. I think the explosion was caused by Minerva's Tannhauser. The Tannhauser is a Positron Cannon, and a Positron is the Antimatter form of an Electron. Firing something like that on Earth would be dangerous because even our atmoshpere contains a lot of matter as compared to space where the weapon was meant to be used. The ocean contains a lot of mass, so firing an antimatter beam into it would definately create a sizable explosion, and if you look closely you see the minerva turn away from where they fired the Tannhauser and the explosion comes from that direction and hits them on their side.

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    I agree with that ...but there are a lot of different scenarios that sound realistic. A lot of them have been explained already so there is no point in going into detail....All we know is that kira has a def 95 percent chance to survive...the other 5 percent, who knows the director may just loose it and say lets kill of the most important character in the series. series meaning both GS and GSD

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    i agree with that...they have to make it so that kira is less perfect...
    cause what kira has been doing in gsd has been flawless...

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    Originally posted by: Jurojin
    I guess my point is to you that you just won't accept option #3 in this. Which is:

    3)Kira was surprised and taken down by Shinn, which totaled Freedom. Kira survives (he's had similar impossible brushes with death) this, and is given Strike Freedom after he recovers. No brilliant tactical maneuvering on Kira's part, none of this "give Kira more uberness."

    Even the best of people falter every now and then. Do you forget how Freedom got ripped up by the druggies when he stopped focusing on his enemies, but instead on Fllay's escape pod? Kira has shown to be fallible, and that his concern for his sister and the AA could briefly distract him from Shinn, which allowed the final blow, is a much more real and believable assumption than "he faked it."

    Honestly, I like Kira for the person he is, but if the writers just start randomly giving him more abilities out of the blue, I'm going to start hating him. He's fine with the few flaws he has, leave him alone >_<

    During the battle Shinn absolutely surprized Kira and him losing one of the wings as well as other things he attemped failed because of it. I'm stating a few simple things here. First Kira can not survive and be anywhere but the AA. Kira would need a means of getting to the AA as it was fleeing and he's not exactly about to tell them to turn around and pick him up. Also while freedom did take damage the pile of parts as stated was from both impulse and freedom. I will say I personally mistook that fact I figured they were all parts to freedom but upon rechecking and noticing that there was no debree near impulse its pretty clear its parts from both Mechs. Now for the final bit of obvious evidence. The parts are all in one place right where Impulse and Freedom last clashed. So if the explosion was Freedom then why was impulse barely moved from that spot while the minerva is notably pushed back. Why are the parts still where Impulse and freedom last clashed as any sort of explosion would have clearly sent these parts EVERYWHERE.

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    I know kira is alive, but i think this clash will change Kira somehow wake him up. Because if you watch the beginning of the opening it looks like strike freedom is going for the kill. There is a good chance he may give up his no kill policy. I am not sure he is going for a kill there, but it almsot looks like it.

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    Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

    Originally posted by: DDBen
    Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
    basicly I agree with what your saying....
    Good then perhaps you can start actually reading my posts instead of stating they are random Shinn hate [img][/img]
    Well... most if it actually is [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
    You have come up with some really insane & out-of-character Shinn theories, which I can only see you basing on your hate for him.

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    Originally posted by: Terracosmo
    You have come up with some really insane & out-of-character Shinn theories, which I can only see you basing on your hate for him.
    Oh great Terra enlighten me as to these out of character theories of mine. Things like Mwu sacrificing himself for the AA are so far from out of character they have already happened. So if you wouldn't mind give me a single theory that was out of character for anyone that I've stated.

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    well read your own posts and you'll find them.... there are som really weird theories in there.

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    about the freedom explosion you guys should stop saying this and that about nuclear eplosions like your world reknowed experts. leave the damn explosion discussion alone because its not like the writers are experts on nuclear explosion there probbaly just adding it to make the battle go out with a bang. not everything has to make sense in a series also didnt alot of you guys say physics doesnt apply in gsd well will find out later in episode 35

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    i guess it really is difficult for some people to just agree that maybe Shinn has enough skill to do some damage to Kira
    that along side with his brilliant strategy (and yes it was brilliant) and Kira's "i must protect" flaws (if you must call them flaws)
    i think it's not more then plain logic that Kira was defeated
    true Kira is a remarkable pilot, but Shinn is too
    and even the best trip and land on their face atleast once in their life

    as for the reactor exploding i have to agree with the fact that a nuclear reactor needs some serious conditions met to explode, and i don't think a "mere" sword strike would be enough reason for it to do so

    but most likely we'll find out later in the series exactly what happened (atleast i hope so so this chapter will be closed)
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