He even manages to survive a GENESIS beam shot in GS, with Freedom heavily damaged by Providence....he'll be back for sure
He even manages to survive a GENESIS beam shot in GS, with Freedom heavily damaged by Providence....he'll be back for sure
Amaya, the Tauren Warrior
abt this explosion alot of people keep debuting is it caused by freedom or minerva -_-''
but i dun think its from the freedom coz it would be too big...
he never did survive the genesis shot...
it never even hit him...freedom fly up before it could hit freedom
This episode seems a bit ambigious(pardon me if i spelled that incorrectly) in whether Freedom did explode or not, because after the moment shown between kira and shinn when Freedom was impaled, the blast is shown buffering the Minerva. One could say the blast was Tannhauser striking the water followed by an enormous blast would be the most logical answer here...there might have been some secondary explosions in the blast( a small one) of the Freedom exploding which explains Impulse badly damaged state. That at least rules out that Freedom could have just fell into the ocean with the beam sword stuck in it. And can some one explain why are the pieces of mecha located behind shinn after the explosion?
Edit: Hmm...yah i think i was wrong there....he survived the genesis self-destruction more likely.....
Amaya, the Tauren Warrior
mayb its the pieces where impulse huge fat sword hit the body of the freedom and shield =p
Originally posted by: DDBen
Please rewatch the episode the AA was firing only to miss the Minerva as it was specifically avoiding giving zaft anything to use for PR purposes saying that the AA is a threat as atleast some people likely still see it in a good light after the last war.Originally posted by: qilinkiddo
AA fake their death too fake lolz...
while escaping AA did not even fire a single shot to minerva -_-
The explosion was NOT Freedom. The reaction was from the positron cannon on Minerva reacting with the water. The initial Puff of smoke is the blast nearing the water and the second ball shape explosion was from it hitting either the ocean floor or the AA. The bits of Freedom were in no way enough to account for the entire mech and had Kira blown up with Freedom causing any sort of Nuclear explosion then there would be absolutely nothing left of Impulse which was ontop of the explosion missing its head leaving a gaping hole in its Phaseshift armor.Originally posted by: PSJ
erm you do know that the big explosion was from freedom blowing up right? there is nothing left of freedom, at least not much a few scraps here and there maybe, not more. i still think kira survived, the guy is immortal, i mean he managed to survive when asuran self ddestructed in kiras face(there was a cut in strikes armor right where the cockpit is.)
Thanks for the support. Also, lets not forget we know exactly what Nuclear explosions look like in the SEED universe. Go rewatch... episode 9 I think it is. Or the end of SEED.
Nukes look like giant balls of white light, highlighted with whatever color explosion they are using for the day (they were pink in space).
The explosion we saw here was the conventional 'fiery' explosion, which is produced by the tanhauser, and also by the lohengrin positron cannon. So couldn't be a nuke.
EDIT: yes, I dont get why people keep asking where the debris in the water came from. It came from the exchange of blows between Freedom and Impulse at the end. Freedom was impaled by the sword (and prolly dragged the sword and Impulses arms into the ocean with it... remember, phsyics says that there was as much force on Impulse as it hit Freedom with...) and Impulse had its head stabbed by a beam saber. The reason the debris is behind Impulse is because of the nature of water. Things float.
Just a thought on the shield penetration thing: I don't think the arm held shields have PS on them, but instead have anti-beam coating. The reason I say this is in just about every fight, the shield blocks beam sabers, and beam rifle rounds, no problem, even the higher caliber beam weaponry (Calamity grade stuff). However, if you recall the Justice/Raider fight, Athrun's shield got dented and bashed up pretty badly from Raider's Morningstar-like weapon. So Freedom's shield getting pierced by Shinn's anti-ship sword is more possible.
However, on PS armor, every time a direct hit is scored with beam weaponry, limbs and bits go flying- how many times did Duel lose a leg b/c of Kira? Saviour had PS, and got sliced up by beam sabers. Etc.
PS armor was more designed to stop the Djinn's main weaponry (which was ZAFT's staple suit when PS was being developed), being their swords and rifles, which it did a pretty good job on. PS armor hasn't really had any large improvements either, though the TPS was more energy efficient. Slashing and blunt force never got through PS armor, but piercing attacks (which is anything with a lot of force at one concentrated point) does go through. Which is exactly what we have here, nuke-powered PS or not.
@DDBen, for the sake of variety:
"However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time."
Killing out of vengeance does NOT equal that someone ENJOYS killing.
If there was an explosion, should'nt the pieces be scattered all over the ocean as opposed to just behind Impulse? Unless its the artist perception drawing or something showing only nearby objects while negating the far...
Amaya, the Tauren Warrior
oic just saw that AA fire its missiles but all miss...
did AA did that on purposes...only watch the raw by now...
dont know what they have been talking =x
It was on purpose....Glady mentions after the near miss as long as they don't get careless they won't get hit. And adds as expected AA was trying not to hit them.
Amaya, the Tauren Warrior
lolz i was waiting for the website which i normally to download the subbed episode...
still haven come out yet...bored ~_~
@DDBen: Seriously, I think you just don't want to admit that Kira got honestly beaten by Shinn. Before this episode, it was "Kira can't be beaten by Shinn, it must be Neo/Mwu because Neo is expendable" which was very implausible from the beginning to say the least. Now, Kira was overwhelmed with both the AA's situation, and Shinn's intensity, and all you can think to do is say "Kira let Shinn beat him." The Kira worship is really getting kind of sad.....
Anyways, I had a question- is it normal for Minerva to turn immediately after firing the Taunhueser(spl)? Because if I recall correctly, the blast from the explosion that seems to be confusing people caught the Minerva on the side, not from the front. So is it possible that the explosion (not saying it was nuclear or anything) was indeed from Freedom? (if it cam at Minerva from the front, please correct me, I'm at work so I can't double check.)
Correct Terra killing only for the reason of vengence would not mean you enjoy Killing. However killing because you enjoy what it grants you. Specifically in Shinn's case things like killing the EA soldiers in the base that was already defeated in order to play hero. Does to a certain degree show that you enjoy killing because you will soon start to equate killing people with the perks it grants you.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
@DDBen, for the sake of variety:
"However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time."
Killing out of vengeance does NOT equal that someone ENJOYS killing.
Jurojin you are completely incorrect here. Before I stated that if Freedom was destroyed or to be sacrificed in order for the AA to escape that it was simply much more likely for them to kill off Neo then it would be for them to Kill off Kira. So I stated that IF freedom was destroyed and the pilot was killed that it would only happen IF Neo was piloting Freedom and not Kira.Originally posted by: Jurojin
@DDBen: Seriously, I think you just don't want to admit that Kira got honestly beaten by Shinn. Before this episode, it was "Kira can't be beaten by Shinn, it must be Neo/Mwu because Neo is expendable" which was very implausible from the beginning to say the least. Now, Kira was overwhelmed with both the AA's situation, and Shinn's intensity, and all you can think to do is say "Kira let Shinn beat him." The Kira worship is really getting kind of sad.....
Anyways, I had a question- is it normal for Minerva to turn immediately after firing the Taunhueser(spl)? Because if I recall correctly, the blast from the explosion that seems to be confusing people caught the Minerva on the side, not from the front. So is it possible that the explosion (not saying it was nuclear or anything) was indeed from Freedom? (if it cam at Minerva from the front, please correct me, I'm at work so I can't double check.)
That aside I don't whorship Freedom I mearly am analysing the episode as I see it. We know Shinn is alive at this point and I certainly believe its common sense that Kira, who is extremely popular, would not randomly be killed off at this point in the series as it would simply destroy the ratings of GSD to kill him. That being said with the question being placed about what took place here please note that Kira did not use 80% of freedoms weapons only using the beam rifle and a single beam saber throughout the episode. When in turn watching this episode why would he do this? He could have simply shot impulse to hell but following Dullindales tape showing Impulse instead of freedom taking down destroy if he was to kill Impulse that would put AA in MUCH greater danger. However, If you were to let zaft put out a tape of Impulse destroying freedom it makes the AA much less likely to be hunted as Zaft can simply use that to there advantage while you bide your time.
The simple fact that you have no ability to look beyond what they show you in a episode shows nothing but your own personal ignorance.
Now as for your Question the Minerva had started to turn likely because they were aware of the secondary blast that would be comming. So turning the ship to the side and letting the wave carry you away from the blast is a much better solution then driving into the blast radius of your own cannon.
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Originally posted by: Jurojin
@DDBen: Seriously, I think you just don't want to admit that Kira got honestly beaten by Shinn. Before this episode, it was "Kira can't be beaten by Shinn, it must be Neo/Mwu because Neo is expendable" which was very implausible from the beginning to say the least. Now, Kira was overwhelmed with both the AA's situation, and Shinn's intensity, and all you can think to do is say "Kira let Shinn beat him." The Kira worship is really getting kind of sad.....
i totally disagree with you, DDBen's responses contain more insight.. he only stated his opinions and backed it up, i dont see him saying hes a kira freak anywhere
also I disgree with your qoute,
In all things endure.
In enduring, grow strong
in most situations it will cause great mental stress leading to insanity
and i think bad sentence structure? no?
the tannhauser explosion would have to hit the AA to make an explosion of that size. and the AA was well under the water by the time the tannhauser reached there. one more thing, it was to late to be the tannhauser explosion, it would have fired by the time impulse impaled freedom. im still convinced it was freedom blowing up. the suit got a nuclear reactor, if that didnt give off any kind of blast after being totally destroyed it wouldnt be fucking nuclear.
This would depend completely on timing we are watching the Shinn/Kira battle at the same point in time as Minerva is shooting at the AA there is honestly no way to determine when the shot was fired in relation to when Kira and Shinn took that final swing at each other. Except of course the red trail from the Tannhauser that is disapating as the Minerva turns and gets hit by the wave from the explosion.Originally posted by: PSJ
the tannhauser explosion would have to hit the AA to make an explosion of that size. and the AA was well under the water by the time the tannhauser reached there. one more thing, it was to late to be the tannhauser explosion, it would have fired by the time impulse impaled freedom. im still convinced it was freedom blowing up. the suit got a nuclear reactor, if that didnt give off any kind of blast after being totally destroyed it wouldnt be fucking nuclear.
Basically what I'm saying is both of these happen at the same exact moment so there is not really a delay between the 2 explosions one is mearly shown as they have to show you both fights being resolved before they show the explosion.
First and foremost, nuclear reactors ARE NOT NUCLEAR BOMBS. If you wanted to rig one to explode, you would have to very specifically set it up to do such, and then intentionally trigger it. A triggering event would certainly not be something like being struck by a giant sword. Even if a reactor melts down, which you might get away with here, all you get is a lot of heat and radiation. Not an explosion.Originally posted by: PSJ
the tannhauser explosion would have to hit the AA to make an explosion of that size. and the AA was well under the water by the time the tannhauser reached there. one more thing, it was to late to be the tannhauser explosion, it would have fired by the time impulse impaled freedom. im still convinced it was freedom blowing up. the suit got a nuclear reactor, if that didnt give off any kind of blast after being totally destroyed it wouldnt be fucking nuclear.
Second, the Tanhauser is a Positron cannon. The first small explosion (as stated earlier) was it hitting the water... the second, most likely, was it impacting the ocean floor. Not only was it not shown hitting the AA, but from Talia's previous attitude, there is no evidence she intended for that shot to hit it. She could have been delaying to make sure the chance of hitting was very small. As for it not doing enough damage to cause that kind of explosion... have you not been paying attention? They used that same cannon to break up a colony. In the "attack the lohengrin" episode, we see a positron cannon take out an entire Zaft attack force in one shot.
That explosion was not too big for the Tanhauser, not by a long shot.
@DDBen: All I have to say to you is that you have constantly presented yourself as one who believes that Kira is infallable when compared to Shinn as a pilot, and constantly form very half baked opinions on both Shinn's character, and possibilties in the show. You refuse to acknowledge Shinn in the same leauge of piloting as Rau/Athrun/Kira/Mwu etc, and that skews every attempt of a hypothisis in relation to Kira vs. Shinn.
@iesu 350z: He's making these opinions on the belief that he's stated before that Shinn just can't possibly beat Kira. In the episode33 thread that got deleted, you'd see it for yourself. As for my quote, what the hell are you talking about?
Good episode, but nothing is set in stone. Archangel probably made it...next episode might show them trying to survive with the damage they took and depth charging ordered by that fat ass zaft general...
Kira's suit went into pieces. if there's still an intact part of it left, it will sink...so he has to go floating in the ocean. He could have survived his suit's core meltdown too, coordinators are like super humans so you'd think they were resistant to radiation maybe? Or maybe he'll get a radiation illness and live for a week or so. More drama.
Anyway props to Shinn for a good fight [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] there's probably no one else that could have done it.
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