yep the guy still thinks he would have been able to stop her. as far as the explosions go will definitely find out next episode when asuran flashes back on the situation. but anyway id like to know how many of you think shinn will cross over to the good side at the end of the series
most likely kira isnt dead but i do think freedom blows up
Authors often write in a certain style, making literary patterns which people could analyze and thus draw conclusions from in regards to what may or may not happen or have happened; I won't call this definite but I believe you can apply the same matter here. Wwith the exclusion of Stellar (I think? My memory is faulty this morning), for every important or noteable character that has died, the creators chose to flash an image of them during their death. Did we see this in Kira's case?
In that ep he was, but over all, no way in hell.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Most of you just need to shut up and accept that Shinn fucking owned Kira. Face it.
You can throw in all the "what ifs" you want, it won't change a damn thing.
Shinn was the better pilot. He used Kira's weakness, which is what every strategic and good combatant would do.
I just can't believe how some of you can accept and defend characters like Stellar and Shinn. Shinn is a mental case who loves killing and knows nothnig about justice; Stellar was "The mental case" who didn't know anything about life and didn't even try to find out... (Well I can understand Stellar since she was the way she was, but never ever forgive her for doing all those things).
See? you just closed your mind to the fact that Shinn could really beat Kira fair and square. If you people keep doing that, then there's no point on watching.Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
In that ep he was, but over all, no way in hell.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Most of you just need to shut up and accept that Shinn fucking owned Kira. Face it.
You can throw in all the "what ifs" you want, it won't change a damn thing.
Shinn was the better pilot. He used Kira's weakness, which is what every strategic and good combatant would do.
Dude, I watch this anime only because there are people I loved from GS in there. When Kira wasn't in the beginning I was so sad and couldn't wait to see him.Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
See? you just closed your mind to the fact that Shinn could really beat Kira fair and square. If you people keep doing that, then there's no point on watching.
However, if Kira and the rest hadn't been in this anime, then there would have been another person who would be like Kira, and then I would follow that guy. Because Shinn is the punk *** mutha *****
Have you really watched GS? I wonder somtimes, because the skill Kira showed in GS was mad, much better than Shinn has ever showed in reaction, in going Berserk and in everything... Kira defended AA from that colony to earth with only strike, and he was the inventor of grabing packs in the air if you remember, he didn't even have those beams that made it 100 times easier grabing a pack., How many could do that? Shinn would be lame without those beams that control exactly where the packs should go.
DID NO-ONCE ELSE NOTICE THAT KIRA WAS IN SEED MODE THE WHOLE TIME FROM THE START OF THE FIGHT
nd i wasnt shinn to die so dont say im a suporter of shinn, Kira will return nd kick everyones ass nd Athuran will run to the AA cryin since they obviously aint dead
The best thing about this ep was the awesome fighting from shinns side, he used his suit to its full capabilites. and with that owned kira quite well yes shinn won.
however kira looked over his shoulder at the archangel every goddamn second and then had 1 milli second to respond to what shinn did, i still think kira is the beter pilot of the 2. his ideals and concerns hold him back this fight, shinn didnt have any and fought whole heartedly to win, kira wanted to be in other places and didnt fight with full concentration.
Shinn won but kira is still the better pilot. dont argue on this.
and what the fuck is up with shinn's maniac face after the defeat, i really hope he gets toasted very soon, he needs it. as for asuran this should wake the idiot up, i hope he can show us some badass fighting that i know he is capable of in the later eps. i would also like to see the old characters from seed back, yzak and diakka mainly. rey and lunamaria is starting to get boring.
overall an amazing ep very uncertain ending tho, i was about to fall of my chair cause of that.
I don't think that Kira will survive this. If you look closely to sword silhouette's sword impact to the freedom, it goes right throuh freedom's cockpit.
The exploding is only the continous effect of the nuke gen installed in Freedom's suit.
On the other hand, I agree that Shinn have lots of advantage.
1) Not because of Freedom's damage, but loss of energy.
2) Kira got lots of distraction of his concern to Arcangel
3) The jammer that Minerva shot in the beginning of battle, made all radar messed up.
4) Impulse have lots of spare parts of it's suit (like V Gundam)
5) Ofcourse, Rey's strategy on strategy is well made!
I don't want Kira's role out from the series for good. But, it will feel wierd too if he survived from that huge explosion!!
Can't wait for next 2 weeks series!! I don't think there will be answer to Kira's status next week though!!
So you think eh? bravo...I say bravo.....Originally posted by: edutz
I don't think that Kira will survive this. If you look closely to sword silhouette's sword impact to the freedom, it goes right throuh freedom's cockpit.
The exploding is only the continous effect of the nuke gen installed in Freedom's suit.
On the other hand, I agree that Shinn have lots of advantage.
1) Not because of Freedom's damage, but loss of energy.
2) Kira got lots of distraction of his concern to Arcangel
3) The jammer that Minerva shot in the beginning of battle, made all radar messed up.
4) Impulse have lots of spare parts of it's suit (like V Gundam)
5) Ofcourse, Rey's strategy on strategy is well made!
I don't want Kira's role out from the series for good. But, it will feel wierd too if he survived from that huge explosion!!
Can't wait for next 2 weeks series!! I don't think there will be answer to Kira's status next week though!!
Kira will have to survive this, if he doesnt, who will pilot strike freedom? infinite justice is for asuran, destiny is shinn's suit and legend is rey's suit. we can't have lunamaria piloting something like that now can we?
if kira dies here and neo turns out to be mwu i will totally lose fate in this series. As for the sword, the cockpit of Freedom is located higher its in the chest not the waist.
I didn't go trough it's cockpit because it's cockpit is in his chest.
what the hell? ppl just keep on repeating this?Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
Kira will have to survive this, if he doesnt, who will pilot strike freedom? infinite justice is for asuran, destiny is shinn's suit and legend is rey's suit. we can't have lunamaria piloting something like that now can we?
if kira dies here and neo turns out to be mwu i will totally lose fate in this series. As for the sword, the cockpit of Freedom is located higher its in the chest not the waist.
btw madell..I may believe your correct..if not..well slightly
This thread is becoming more and more of a copy of earlier threads.... What some people need to do is follow the first few pages and then come back with something new... And romancing_xaga is ignoring my thread towards him.
the debate is now over... on to the succeeding episodes.. no more kira defeats (i guess...) and this time.. shinn bashing ... death is good.. sliced up MS is better with no new MS given to him.. ha ha ha
1 on 1 fight this time. not another strike-freedom vs destiny+minerva like before.
havent even read anyone say the same thing as i did but oh well. thats what i think.Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
what the hell? ppl just keep on repeating this?Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
Kira will have to survive this, if he doesnt, who will pilot strike freedom? infinite justice is for asuran, destiny is shinn's suit and legend is rey's suit. we can't have lunamaria piloting something like that now can we?
if kira dies here and neo turns out to be mwu i will totally lose fate in this series. As for the sword, the cockpit of Freedom is located higher its in the chest not the waist.
btw madell..I may believe your correct..if not..well slightly
@madell: thats exactly what i said, the sword didnt hit the cockpit, the sword hit the waist of freedom.
use normal englichOriginally posted by: chriscant
DID NO-ONCE ELSE NOTICE THAT KIRA WAS IN SEED MODE THE WHOLE TIME FROM THE START OF THE FIGHT
nd i wasnt shinn to die so dont say im a suporter of shinn, Kira will return nd kick everyones ass nd Athuran will run to the AA cryin since they obviously aint dead
Freedoms cockpit is higher than were Shin hit himOriginally posted by: edutz
I don't think that Kira will survive this. If you look closely to sword silhouette's sword impact to the freedom, it goes right throuh freedom's cockpit.
I agree this debate is going nowere fast because no one can see past his opinion (inkluding me)Originally posted by: chitgoks
the debate is now over... on to the succeeding episodes.. no more kira defeats (i guess...) and this time.. shinn bashing ... death is good.. sliced up MS is better with no new MS given to him.. ha ha ha
1 on 1 fight this time. not another strike-freedom vs destiny+minerva like before.
my thoughts
1 Kira survived as someone already sayed (I forgot who) he took out Impulse main camera at the last minute probebly to get away unseen
2 Kira is way better than shin can ever hope to be
Everyone should now be convinced that Shinn is at least as good as Kira if not better. He used impulse to the fullest advantage even though it is not as good as freedom. For those ppl who blames that he won because of his strategy I will say this: When you know you can't win head on, you gotta use your head. It's not all about muscles when it comes to war. It's about strategy. I do admit that Kira is a way better person than Shinn, but I dont think he is suitable to be fighting in a war. If your nice to your enemy, your being cruel to yourself. He might get by the crappy pilots, but when it comes to pilots as good as he is, there's no way he can use the same strategy to win. Especially when impulse can renew it's parts at any time. At a side note though, did anyone notice that freedom's sword stabbed impulse's head at the same time impulse stabbed freedom? I had to watch 2 times to notice that since all the attention was focused on the freedom. And Im sure KIra did not die as many have said. But I don't understand how shinn or kira could have survived that nuclear explosion...
Shinn had a "maniac face" because he was happy, no more no less.
@Shinji: WTF are you smoking? Since when does Shinn like killing? He does it to protect and save stuff, he isn't a fucking bloodthirsty nutcase.
I still say many of you let your hatred for Shinn cloud your judgement over what's happening in the show.
Shinn had that face because he was celebrating avenging Stellar in his head.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Shinn had a "maniac face" because he was happy, no more no less.
@Shinji: WTF are you smoking? Since when does Shinn like killing? He does it to protect and save stuff, he isn't a fucking bloodthirsty nutcase.
I still say many of you let your hatred for Shinn cloud your judgement over what's happening in the show.
However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time. He didn't attempt to actually protect Stellar first dumping her on Neo and then standing there as Kira disabled destroy. In fact I can't think of a single time Shinn has ever fought to protect anything even when the Minerva has been attacked he has chosen to fight head on rather then to actually prevent the Minerva from taking damage. When they attempted to leave orb he simply got ticked off at the EA fleet and took the opertunity to get revenge for damaging his ego. When he saw the EA base being built and the civilians were being oppressed he took it upon himself to simply kill everyone in sight and take no prisoners not in fact choosing to protect the people from the possible shrapnel that he caused by shooting everything in site pointlessly.
I challenge you to give a single example where Shinns actions were purely for the purpose of protecting anything.
He didn't attempt to actually protect Stellar first dumping her on Neo and then standing there as Kira disabled destroy.
A) He HAD to give Stellar to Neo, or she would have died, plain and simple. I know it sucks, but Shinn could either give her to Neo and hope beyond reason that Neo didn't get her killed, or just watch helplessly as a loved one died right next to him. Again. Unless you're thinking that ZAFT would miraculously come up with a way to treat her with limited specialty equipment an a war vessel.
B) He was still trying to calm Stellar down. He was focused on her and her mental state, not on what Freedom was doing. If Freedom was not in Stellar's line of vision, she would not have fired her cannons, and Freedom wouldn't have needed to disable Destroy to save Shinn. I'm not saying it's Freedom's fault exactly, as Kira didn't know exactly who and what was going on, but saying that it in any way Shinn's fault is pure fiction. He had her calmed down. She had stopped firing, because of Shinn, and if given some more time, he prolly could have coaxed her out.
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