Are you surprised that Neiji and Chouji survived?

[Darkcarnage]

i think Chouji should of died he took a pill that ravaged his body turing fat and all that in to chakra. and it not liek the medics where right there. took them awhile to get to them. if he would of died it would affected everyone and shanged them i think for the better. shikamaru i would fo thought become a stronger ninja cuase wanting to fihgt for his passed on friend and to keep other from died ever again.

Neji now was hurt and shot in the side but not a sure skill, he could of lived if he keep bleeding down. less mad he lived, beside i want to see him kick ass again some day :-)

everyone else living i was fine with even naruto had some bad injuries took more then one day to heal :-)

[Arsinoi]

I was actually glad they survived, Neji mostly because he is my fav Konoha character and such a good character doesn't deserve to be killed by some Sound bastard with six arms! As for Chouji, now that he is thin (not sure for how long though) I want to see Ino's reaction. She will ask him what kind of flash diet he followed to lose weight so easily seeing as to how she constantly compains about her figure! ^_^
Acomical touch to the series if I might say so!

[Hyuuga_Destiny]

I was wondering, what stops CHouji from carrying 4 pills each time?
The normal yellow, green & red combo + the antidote that Tsunade made.

Since he always carries the antidote, you could say he has an enormous strength now.
He could use it in any battle, since the effect of the red pill would be cancelled out.

I hope in the future that they don't overuse Tsunade, because you can say that she has an answer to anything...
So they won't have the characters to do something weird and eventually go to Tsunade to be healed.

It made the writer this much easier to have a reason not to kill of a character.

[Daedalous]

Perhaps a logical explanation to why he doesn't always carry the pills is that he's not always in a big group or in a big mission and if he had the 4 pills alltogether and someone got a hold of them his family secrets would be spread and the enemy would have both the "weapon" and the "sheath".

Then again, they probably will never give an explanation unless he gets spotlight again in an important fight they can always say what happened in one of those flashbacks we all love to hate.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I'm going along with what someone else said, the only reason Chouji survived is so Shikamaru wouldn't be impacted.

[ChaosK]

didnt really stop shika from being "impacted" exactly, he cried his guts out

[The Heretic Azazel]

Yeah but Chouji was still alive, he was feeling guilty because the mission put them in a dangerous situation.

[ChaosK]

well good think neiji didnt die he fought amazingly but chouji had to resort to "killing" himself.

[DarthEnderX]

I expected them to live till I saw they were not in the latest opening(good fake out by the animators btw), then I assumed they were dead. But yeah, I was dissapointed neither died. It takes alot of the suspense out of the show when you know nobody important is gonna die. As has been mentioned, Chouji's death would have been very poetic, and as has also been mentioned, we basically have a back-up Neji.

[Uchiha Barles]

Reviving this thread, because something is bothering me about this neiji vs. kidomaru fight. After watching it again and thinking a little about it, I realize the way it played out was complete BS (this seems to happen a lot in this series). There is no way in hell Neiji should've lost this fight, cursed seal lvl omega or not.

Lets review the powers bestowed upon our magnificent user of the byakugan:
1) Near 360 degree vision. Lets say 350, with the missing 10 degrees located where the story says it is.
2) Penetrating vision
3) Long range vision, up to 1 mile.

Ok, now lets review kidomaru's strategy.
1) Get far away from Neiji
2) Remain in his blind spot.
3) Fire arrows until Neiji goes *poot*

Now, my issue with this fight lies in Neiji's limitation on his power, and Kidomaru's ability to take advantage of it. Neiji has a very slight angle in which he cannot see located somewhere near one of the vertebrae in his neck. Volume of space that neiji cannot percieve increases as a function of the distance from neiji. So kidomaru uses this fact to stay away from neiji and remain in the blind sight....

How much movement on neiji's part do you think it takes to bring anything within his byakugan range that is in his blind spot, back into range of his all seeing eyes? Well, asuuming the blind spot is 10 degrees...fuck it 50 degrees, he would need to make a maximum rotation of about....you guessed it, 50 degrees. How much effort does that take? You can achieve that kind of rotation just by the movement your upper torso makes as you look around nervously. You don't even need to turn your body around completely. If Kidomaru was anywhere within the maximum distance that the byakugan could percieve, there is NO WAY he could hide from Neiji.

So lets assume he was outside of the 1 mile range. Let me make a note here. Kidomaru being outside of the one mile range, and able to attack neiji means that he has the ability to see through 1 mile of dense forest. Does the cursed seal grant eyesight to rival the powers of the byakugan? Bullshit. But I'll assume he could do this for argument's sake. So, neiji was able to dodge anything he could perceive with his byakugan. When kidomaru fires that arrow, time elapses from the point of fire to the point of contact with our dear hero neiji. In this time, neiji is moving about, perhaps nervously, looking for the whereabouts of his opponent, kidomaru, who apparently is god. All neiji has to do to ENSURE that the arrow does in fact come into his line of sight is to make an about face. In his sitution, I would do that many, many times, and not even as a part of a thought out strategy. Its just something you do when you're unsure of the direction of an attack, almost instinctually. There is no way Kidomaru could keep the arrow within neiji's blind spot once that happens. If neiji see's it, he dodges it.

Here comes Neiji for the win. One he gets a hold of the general direction of the attack, he dashes in that direction. He's bound to find kidomaru. WTF is kidomaru going to do? Keep his > 1mile distance from neiji and AT THE SAME TIME run in a circle to get back into a position where he can fire his attacks into Neiji's blind spot? Cuz that's exactly what he needs to do to not get killed. Once Neiji gets Kidomaru back into sight, its simply a matter of never letting him out of his sight again.

If kidomaru is fast enough to stay of neiji's range of vision, then it becomes a war of attrition. Who's going to run out of chakra first? Because basically, Kidomaru's not hitting neiji. Well, Neiji has his byakugan activated. That drains chakra, but I don't imagine it drains much. Kidomaru has the level 2 cursed seal activated. That drains chakra right out the wazoo. Plus, if neiji's on the defensive, using the byakugan to avoid attacks, Kidomaru is on the offensive, using chakra to power and guide the attacks. Neiji wins the war of attrition as well.

The strategy that had even the slightest chance of working was the first one kidomaru used. Stop Neiji's kaiten, and send a flurry of attacks, hoping that at least one made it through the blind sight. Even that is pushing it.

In conclusion, this fight was TOTAL BULLSHIT! Consequently, I'm ok with neiji being alive.

Edited for spelling, probably missed some things.
P.S. Hiding from the byakugan is bullshit! ok...its out of my system.

[darkmetal505]

i thought it was a little cooky also. Supposedly Kidomaru used his thread to direct the arrow with "pinpoint" precision to wherever Neji's blindspot was. He talks about it and it shows a little animation. But at that speed, I find it hard as to how he could change the direction so subtly. Another thing was the speed of the arrow. It was going quite fast (it blew apart trees), im not sure neji would have been able to react that fast. Who knows. Maybe Kidomaru's third eye helped his vision or something, afterall, he resembled a spider.

[Assassin]

You're complaining about spiderman changing the arrows' directions too subtly and too fast, while our pale hero is seeing all around him for a mile, and through solid objects?

when will you people realize, its a fucking anime series. stop over analyzing it.

[Terracosmo]

I think Barles analysis is great actually. Pretty funny to read too, and gave me that "damn, he's right" expression [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Given, I also thought that Neji was a bit too "lost" in that fight, but still - I never thought of it that way before.
Neji rules.

[masamuneehs]

the recent posts in this thread made me chuckle. Of course it was pure BS that a guy like Chouji won (and didn't die) while a better fighter in Neji almost got killed by a one-trick (albeit quite clever) archer type. And if you want to point out the difference in power between Jidanbou (whatever the fatass' name was) and Kidomaru, let me just remind you of the power difference between Neji and Chouji.

Barles shows a pretty good point.

But still, even more stupid than Neji actually getting so hurt is: how the hell did he survive a wound like that? Assume he didn't eat his Wheaties at breakfast or that he suddenly was struck by a brain fart and couldn't figure out what to do (which is what it looked like in the fight). The guy had a fucking hole through his chest, right around his heart! I see a wound that big, that close to the chest and I just say to myself 'that mofo is dead'. But, nope, Konoha ninja can't die, wouldn't want to lose out on selling more action figures (or whatever Kishimoto is thinking).

Next thing you know Haku will be up and walking again too!

[Terracosmo]

Fanservice, fanservice. Kishi doesn't dare to kill off popular characters. Maybe he's afraid to lose big parts of the fanbase [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[PSJ]

Kishi doesn't dare to kill off any character really, only the bad ones.

Neji should have died, you can't survive with a hole of that size for long, how fast was the medical squad? Were they hiding behind the closest tree?

But it is probably true that Neji didn't die because he sells action figures and shit, but i think the same goes for Chouji after his super heroic win against Jiroubou.

Lastly Neji is boring, i fail to see why everyone likes him.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: Assassin
You're complaining about spiderman changing the arrows' directions too subtly and too fast, while our pale hero is seeing all around him for a mile, and through solid objects?

when will you people realize, its a fucking anime series. stop over analyzing it.

were not, we're just speculating.

plus we have no life.

[Necromas]

In the manga they didn't really make it seem like they died for so long and suddenly have them come back, so it wasn't a big suprise to me.

[master_me]

Barles makes a good point, but honestly, you can't have a genin (even Neji) beat the living shit out of one of Orochimaru's top subordinates. If that actually happened, there would be a whole other contoversy about how "Neji's a ****ing powerhouse!" aside from this. It wouldn't look good.

[XanBcoo]

I thought Neji's range of vision with the Byakugan was ~50 meters, not a mile.

If that's true, then it makes the fight more plausible, as Kidomaru could easily hide from Neji while still being able to snipe at him from such a distance.