Episode 32 Discussion "spoilers"

[Curium]

Originally posted by: XwingRob
I still don't get why some people think Shinn is gonna go after Kira because his family got caught in the crossfire. I mean I suppose he was probaly angry at Freedom during the shock, but once he sat down and thought about it, he came to the conclusion that it was it Attha's fault. Which I do agree, Shinn and his family should not have been on that island when EA attacked. (Didn't they have two days before the EA finally attacked?)

Shinn doesn't strike me as the type that has ever thought about anything.

[Mut]

Shinn skips the thinking process and jumps to his emotional reactions.

[darkshadow]

well i kinda got some more respect for kira in this ep, cause het didnt seem "allpowerfull", and his jedi moves were cool............but still he need to die XD


and for ptx ( the i-hate-wings-on-gundams-guy)
you could cleary c in this ep freedom uses his wings for extended mobility, at that part where chaos and windam close in on him, he repositions the wings

[kinggalaxia]

Originally posted by: kyubisrage

Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....

Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.

Number 1: Shinn is gay and has retarded ideals etc etc. So I hope his ass dies.

WOW! You suuure showed me.

"Shinn is gay"

Damn, I canNOT fight back from that! *fakes a fetal position in a corner*

"hope his ass dies"

This, I can rebute.
That 'hope' you have is irrational and exclamatory. GSD will turn into a horrible, horrible scar, should it's main character die, especially by the first main character's hands. The only way I'll accept Kira killing Shinn would be if Shinn turns evil and it has to be done and even THEN, I'll be going wtf constantly anyway, so..... NO!

[XwingRob]

Originally posted by: Curium

Originally posted by: XwingRob
I still don't get why some people think Shinn is gonna go after Kira because his family got caught in the crossfire. I mean I suppose he was probaly angry at Freedom during the shock, but once he sat down and thought about it, he came to the conclusion that it was it Attha's fault. Which I do agree, Shinn and his family should not have been on that island when EA attacked. (Didn't they have two days before the EA finally attacked?)

Shinn doesn't strike me as the type that has ever thought about anything.

True, but he must have come up with something after a year's time... heh.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

I believe that Shinn (although I hate Shinn to some extent) does think sometimes. Like when Shinn decided to take Stellar back to Neo. He hacked the specs for Stellar's Gaia and got the code so that he could give her back. Now that took some thinking. Now how he abducted her and the fact that he held Neo to that promise was stupid. So all in all Shinn does think a little.

Now Stellar's death is in fact a group of peoples' fault.
First Neo. It is his fault for putting stellar in in the Destroy in the first place and telling her about scary things.
Next Sting. It is his fault for going down like a bitch and losing to three Orb suits while he was piloting a gundam with funnels. That was the most pathetic death in this series so far.
Now the Archangel. It's their fault for bringing Kira.
Now the Minerva. It's their fault for bringing the emotional Shinn.
Now Shinn. It's his fault for rushing in like some kind of wannabe Kira with a heroic attitude, cutting open the destroy's cockpit, and scaring the hell out of Stellar thus making the situation 1000 times worse than when it was when it was just Kira and the Archangel fighting because she became even more parinoid.
Finally Kira. It's his fault for just being there. He decided to shoot down Neo which nearly broke Stellar. He also didn't have to stab the positron cannon. He could have kicked Shinn out of the way dodged the blast and finally cut off one or both of Destroy's legs and letting it fall backwards as it fired its positron cannons. Then Kira could have slowly or quickly disabled all of the weapons that the Destroy had, or let Stllar completely lose it, shoot something and have some gun backfire resulting in Stellar killing herself.
I almost forgot Stellar. Its her fault for looking at the freedom instead of Shinn. If she really trusted Shinn with protecting her she would've stayed calm and NOT remembered what Kira did to Neo.

Destroy gundam wasn't right for Stellar anyways. Her attenion span and skill aren't large enough to fight with that suit. I believe that destroy was wasted on Stellar.

[kyubisrage]

Originally posted by: kinggalaxia

Originally posted by: kyubisrage

Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....

Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.

Number 1: Shinn is gay and has retarded ideals etc etc. So I hope his ass dies.

WOW! You suuure showed me.

"Shinn is gay"

Damn, I canNOT fight back from that! *fakes a fetal position in a corner*

"hope his ass dies"

This, I can rebute.
That 'hope' you have is irrational and exclamatory. GSD will turn into a horrible, horrible scar, should it's main character die, especially by the first main character's hands. The only way I'll accept Kira killing Shinn would be if Shinn turns evil and it has to be done and even THEN, I'll be going wtf constantly anyway, so..... NO!

Lol ok buddy ^_^. I wouldnt be shocked if shinn turns evil. He is too trigger happy.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: kyubisrage
Lol ok buddy ^_^. I wouldnt be shocked if shinn turns evil. He is too trigger happy.

What do you mean turn evil... Shinn has been evil from the get go his only motivation is revenge and his own ego. I can't give you an example of anyone Shinn has actually cared about period in this entire series from the point his parents died until now.

The only argueable exception is Stellar but I still feel that he passed her off to Neo just so that he would have someone to blame when she inevitably died. I gave extensive feedback about my feelings of Shinn's motivations for returning her in the discussion for the episode where he did.

[Splash!]

yeah , i have no idea where shinns character is going. I mean there has to be something that will maybe fix his head up. U know what wud be really niice, if Shnn does end up damaging the freedom pretty bad, maybe cagalli wud meet up with him on the battlefield later on and seek revenge against him for screwing kira over. Shinn wud most likely be like wtf and i am not fitin this weakling coz i am too damn good after beating the freedom. Maybe then Cagalli will just go SEED mode or sumthin and do some damage to him or sumthin, and he'll be like oh shitt, what the hell i really suck. Maybe that will straighten out his character a little bit by giving him less to gloat about.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

You know I realized something watching Kira and Shinn pilot in this episiode. How do they do all these complex movements with just pedals and those throttle thingies.

[Splash!]

i wud try and justify it for u but honestly i have no idea. My only answer is , its a cartoon and while some things do make sense, not all do. Besides i dun think they need to bother us with the details of how their cockpit works anyhow coz if they had details, there wud be probably be actual things like mobile suits flying around in the world, but since there arent, i guess well just leave it at that. U cant really compare ideas like that to reality. Thats why one wud just tend to look away from that aspect and enjoy the show

[Mae]

Nice action ep. I liked Destroy a little better in after it transformed, and the detachable hands were a nice touch. Kira vs Destroy had some good scenes. It was also nice to see Cagalli actually accomplish something and have her soldiers actually achieve a victory. It could be argued that Sting went down to easily, but I prefer to think that the pilots were good and he was careless.

It was a little silly to let Stellar survive the destruction of her mobile suit only to die in Shinn's arms (ARRRRGGH! instead of NOOOOOO!, but I was close). I wonder how this will affect his character? Will he just be sad and broken? Will he want revenge? And if so, will he want revenge against Kira (who destroyed her suit), Neo (who put her in danger and is now conveniently a helpless prisoner), or the earth alliance (ultimately responsible for the conflict)? It will be interesting to watch how he reacts in the next ep.

Edit: To above, please type would instead of wud. I can deal with u for you, but wud? I mean, seriously.... And as we've discussed before "it's just a story or it's just a cartoon" isn't really a valid argument. A good story is internally consistant and plausable at some level allowing for viewers to enjoy it without beign distracted by thinking "this would never happen." If someone acts way out of character or something really unbelievable happens than people say things are "unrealistic." It's a sign of poor story telling and a valid complaint.

Edit tp below: Man, and right after I defended you too... oh well, I stand by my opinion.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Originally posted by: splash
i wud try and justify it for u but honestly i have no idea. My only answer is , its a cartoon and while some things do make sense, not all do. Besides i dun think they need to bother us with the details of how their cockpit works anyhow coz if they had details, there wud be probably be actual things like mobile suits flying around in the world, but since there arent, i guess well just leave it at that. U cant really compare ideas like that to reality. Thats why one wud just tend to look away from that aspect and enjoy the show

Yeah I guess that you are right. We probably could not concieve it anyways.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: kyubisrage

Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
The only way I'll accept Kira killing Shinn would be if Shinn turns evil and it has to be done and even THEN, I'll be going wtf constantly anyway, so..... NO!

Lol ok buddy ^_^. I wouldnt be shocked if shinn turns evil. He is too trigger happy.

Personally I WOULD be shocked if he doesn't turn evil. He does exactly as we please without ever seeing any sign of consequences. He didn't even learn when his entire family was killed because his sister was too stupid to leave a cell phone behind and keep running. They just stood there while Shinn got it and waited to get blasted.

[kinggalaxia]

lol@kyubi

Yeah, something that would make the series quite interesting is if Shinn, Kira, or Athrun turn evil, just so we could have a contrast to "Char's Counterattack".

Shinn - he IS an angry fellow, yes, so it'd be believable that he just says "Fuck it, I'm gonna kill everyone"....juuust like Dulindall, who at this time is supporting Shinn.

Kira - he's too peaceful, yet his ways will never work. He'll cave at the notion that war is necessary and will go nuts. This is possible, with Lacus being away from him. Notice that he became more of an ass after Lacus left (ep #27).

Athrun - Destiny....destiny that he tried running away from...that of his father's vision. He'll see how fucked the human race has become and become sucked into that Zala legacy. Of course, his notion would be completely clouded, and then Shinn or Kira (honestly, I'd prefer Kira here) would have to end him.

Thought-provoking, eh? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Roko]

that was a fun ep. Those 3 in the murasames remind me of those 3 girls that were the first pilots of the Astray. Looks like things will be slowing down a bit (as in action and fighting) from the preview of the next ep, which is great, since I really really wanna see the confrontation between Ramius and Neo when he wakes up. Can't help but wonder when in the world Lacus will appear again...hope she shoots Mia the next time we see her...Mia just needs to die, and soon. Stellar's death was more like "Awww, she died" but once Mia gets shot, well...I'll just leave that up to your imagination as to what I'll do.

btw, @ kinggalaxia how about all of them turn evil? Now that would be a nice twist [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[kyubisrage]

LOL @ king


I dont think athrun will turn evil. He will prob join AA again. Kira's ways might never work but have you seed gundam seed. Kiras way worked there.

[kaigan]

i only hope that shin starts on a murderless path. killing innocents and do all kind of horrible things. this way, the creator can kill that faggot off.

[chitgoks]

i dont even think shinn is better than athrun. it would be nice if it will be athrun vs shinn theny shinn will be embarassed by athrun once he owns him.. that will put a BIG dent in his ego

[Curium]

I posting this here because we had been discussing who acctually killed Shinn's family. I don't have the episode of SEED where they were fighting outside Orb available to watch right now, but I found some SD Gundam SEED thing (it is in the FTP that was posted by Danholo Here) that was a remake of that scene. While I don't take it as cannon or anything, it did remind me of another possibility. I had completely forgotten about Forbidden. Instead of bad aim on Kira's part, it seems more likely to me now that Kira blasted Forbidden, but Forbidden deflected the blasts and one hit Shinn's family. Just really random bad luck.