Episode 32 Discussion "spoilers"

[LokeXero]

You see a few of them in one of the first few scenes when Sting and Neo are hovering watching Stellar kill things.

The ep highlights the point that Freedom and Archangel are just a nuisance, sure they fight for a cause but all they have done in destiny so far is cause confusion on the battlefield...

Overall it was a pretty good ep though. 1 thing i wonder bout is (i wonder if anybody else noticed) when cagalli launchs in the strike rouge, There is no Athna logo on its shoulders yet in the intro and this pic it has logos on it.
http://www.seedgenesis.net/ind.../destiny/strikerouge..

I also think we'll see Jibril get his hands dirty soon just as Azrael did in Seed with most likely a similar situation....

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: Curium
First, I still want to know where Buster and Duel are!

Originally posted by: Terracosmo

Originally posted by: Raquelcasull
Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series

How is this a more true sequel than Z Gundam or ZZ Gundam was? Or Endless Waltz for that reason? (if you count OAVs/movies).

Go back to the original post and read THE REST OF THE SENTANCE. You took it completely out of context Terra. The sentance was "Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series that I've seen so far"

Clumsy of me to miss it indeed, but reading through the rest of the post it looked like this guy (girl?) took the liberty of talking about the Gundam series in such a way that it looked like he/she knew more than he/she did. It was not a strange mistake to make.

Also, I hate the following: "Go back to the original post and read THE REST OF THE SENTANCE."

Don't ever fucking write that again. I have been here for 2 years longer than you and missing a few damn letters in that time is not bad. So don't you dare try to make me look like some douche that can't read. That approach of yours is so entirely uncalled for.

[TwisT]

I thought Destroy went down so easy.. And for the first time a gundam was taken out buy regular mobile suits.. I mean Orb forces went down easily before but now, 3+Cagali took Chaos down.. It feelt so wrong..

[LokeXero]

i wonder with all the work Neo ordered them to do to Sting (Erasing both Auel and Stellar) that he lost some of his skills. As irrational as it is thats one explanation as to why Sting sucked.
Another explanation (one i reckon is correct) could be that the orb pilots are actually really good, i think if you stuck them in say Strike or Aegis they would be on par with Mwuu or Lunamaria in there respective suits. The difference is that there MS isnt supposedly as good so there a bit like Athrun,Yzak and Dearka in Yaku's.
Sting clearly should have had his unit spilt up and shoot down the multiple Orb suits only to be killed by cagalli in her strike after seing her pilots get vaped (that would have been great to see her kill somebody)

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Souryusen
About time that annoying lunatic got offed.

Coulndt have said better myself!

I was wishing for her death for a long time.

The lamest characther in all of the Gundam's i have seen so far even Fray was alot better.....

[telemari]

Originally posted by: LokeXero
1 thing i wonder bout is (i wonder if anybody else noticed) when cagalli launchs in the strike rouge, There is no Athna logo on its shoulders yet in the intro and this pic it has logos on it.
http://www.seedgenesis.net/ind.../destiny/strikerouge..

Maybe it's switchable [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Mite Gai]

Destroy got owned and I am happy stupid Stellar got what she deserved. SERVES YOU RIGHT FOR KILLING OFF HEINE AND HIS AWESOME MS, STELLAR!!!! I don't know why Kira didn't just do that from the start. It appears that its shield goes down when it uses the chest cannons it can't just shoot through it.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: LokeXero
i wonder with all the work Neo ordered them to do to Sting (Erasing both Auel and Stellar) that he lost some of his skills. As irrational as it is thats one explanation as to why Sting sucked.
Another explanation (one i reckon is correct) could be that the orb pilots are actually really good, i think if you stuck them in say Strike or Aegis they would be on par with Mwuu or Lunamaria in there respective suits. The difference is that there MS isnt supposedly as good so there a bit like Athrun,Yzak and Dearka in Yaku's.
Sting clearly should have had his unit spilt up and shoot down the multiple Orb suits only to be killed by cagalli in her strike after seing her pilots get vaped (that would have been great to see her kill somebody)

First off don't compare Mwu to Lunamaria they arn't even close in ability. Next it seemed that Sting was more distracted during the fight normally 3 on 1 wouldn't even remotely be a issue. Also note that the orb suits are far better then the basic suits on any other side its been stated regularly that orb has the best tech.

My assumption would be more along the lines they wern't able to fully repare Chaos after the last time Kira destroyed it because do note at no point does sting transform the suit which is very uncharacteristic of him as in any other battle he did so regularly.

[danholo]

Originally posted by: naruto22OK, now that I think of it, maybe it was Kira who accidentally killed Shinn's family.

First they made us think it was Freedom, then Calamity. Who knows?

But please, since when did Shinn's ideals coincide with Kira's? Kira is a pacifict, Shinn is an aggressor. Shinn's style is very like a berserker with little thought of defence while Kira hasn't killed anyone since Gundam Seed Phase 50. Well, not directly anyway. Shinn's simply does not believe that peace is possible with the Earth Alliance which is why he joined ZAFT while Kira is constantly looking for a way to get both sides to look for peace. Kira, in spite of all he has seen, still has hope, while Shinn has none.

Kira a pacifist? You have got to be kidding me. If he'd be a pacifist, he'd be the last person to pilot the Freedom. He understands the use of force but he doesn't want people to get killed.

The thing I'm trying to coincide here is that both believe that they must protect the innocent. Kira wants to protect everybody but Shinn has his ideas a bit mixed up and clearly has made up his mind on "who the bad guy is". Kira knows that there are some whackos but people are kind at heart. I guess Shinn'll understand this some day - or then he'll go all Anakin on us.

[danholo]

Originally posted by: LokeXeroThe ep highlights the point that Freedom and Archangel are just a nuisance, sure they fight for a cause but all they have done in destiny so far is cause confusion on the battlefield...

I hope you are thinking for yourself and not just quoting what Athrun thinks. Sure, the AA confused things on the battle field in previous eps, but in this one there was really nobody to confuse. Destroy was decimating everything in its path and the Archangel came to save the day. It's not like ZAFT forces on the ground had any chance against Destroy in the first place. In the end, when the AA arrived, it was purely AA vs. Destroy because there were virtually no ZAFT forces left. So no, the episode isn't highlighting anything like that. If it is, it's highlighting Stellar's anguish.

[naruto22]

Maybe pacificst is too strong a word, but regardless, Kira always holds back his punches. He understand the great power he wields when he pilots Freedom and so he is always extra careful with it. Shinn never does and delights in using his power to destroy his enemies.

Guys, just give the Murasame pilots their credit. Actually, we should thank the Archangel crew for arriving because ORB would have smashed the Minerva if not for their interference. The power maneuverability of the Murasame was showcased today against Chaos, which supports the fact that aerodynamic designs is better in atmosphere, and that's why Murasames did well. They were fast, maneuverable and at the same time, could become a mobile suit.

Besides, Chaos transformed mode doesn't like aerodynamic at all, therefore probably can't match the speed of the Murasame. Its transformed mode reminds me of robotech fighters when they transform halfway, with the hands and legs sticking out but the cockpit still there.

Teamwork people, teamwork. Sting was right in the sense that it isn't the mobile suit that determines the battle, its the pilot. But teamwork always outsmarts one opponent, especially if the opponent is an arrogant ass who underestimated the Murasame because they were Natural operated.

Mwu La Fraga piloted Strike well after they redesigned the OS, its just he had the bad luck of matching against Crueze first with a GUAIZ, which is a significantly upgraded version of the CGUE (white colour fancy version of a Ginn for those who can't remember) with beam technology and saber claws. And what does he face next.... PROVIDENCE!!!!! The guy was just plain unlucky: he didn't have a chance to fight fair and square against a Coordinator so we have no way of knowing how Fraga really does in a Mobile suit.

Assuming Neo is Fraga though, he did fight well against Kira with a Windam before Kira finally shot him down.


By the way, Archangel didn't barge into anyone's fight this time. Archangel was merely responding to distress calls and answered. Somebody had to stop Destroy, and Minerva wasn't close enough at the time. And Cagalli made good use of herself to protect civilians while the murasame took care of Chaos.

Damn it, I can't help getting enough of the Murasames. They deserve the win, that's all I can say.

Shinn, so much for losing your virginity. May you die with it intact.... joking guys. Kira would have fared better if he kept his intact instead of being seduced by that #!$*#@!%@#%)$&!^()$& Flay Alster.

By the way, do you all find some similarities between Flay and Shinn? Both utterly set in their ways, stubborn to positive encouragement, aiming to exterminate the enemy, think they are right and everybody else wrong.... OK, so maybe their different and I'm stretching a bit. But one thing is for certain.....

90-100% OF US HATE THEM!!!!

Oh well, we will see what they have in store for Shinn soon.

I really pitied Stellar. Imagine the fear Neo instilled in her of the unknown which caused her to cause so much death and destruction. On the one hand, we condemn her for the the huge amount of destruction, yet as we see her in the cockpit, she's simply a child who has been put at the helm of a city destroyer. Who has been taught that everyone else is a monster and that she must kill to protect herself from death. Even as she blasted the city, I couldn't really hate her after seeing her fearful face, constantly afraid and insecure. Why do you think Neo had to be near? To control her from going berserk, which she finally did after seeing Neo downed by Freedom. Oh no you don't, don't you all dare blame Kira for causing Stellar to go berserk. It was Neo who prepared her that way and now the city pays the price for Stellar's indocrination and brainwashing.

Its truly different from seeing a cool calculated mind like Crueze for example behind Destroy. Hating Crueze who kills for the fun of it and for his perverse view of humanity isn't difficult. but how can you hate a child that was simply given a big gun and told to shoot people or the Big Bad Wolf will get them?

In this sense, I give Destiny its credit and orginality from Gundam Seed. But I really wish they had'nt killed Stellar.

If there is anyone to hate, it is Lord Jibril and his organisation who created the Extended in the first place. Genetically creating human weapons while condemning Coordinators is the height of hypocrisy. And now we see the victim through Stellar, a simple minded child who just so happens to have been taught to kill since young.
May he die a slow death,

[Curium]

Originally posted by: DDBen
My assumption would be more along the lines they wern't able to fully repare Chaos after the last time Kira destroyed it because do note at no point does sting transform the suit which is very uncharacteristic of him as in any other battle he did so regularly.

If you watch carefully, he does transform it 1 time. When he is dodgeing the Gottfried blast from the Archangel he transforms as he spins. I replayed that scene slowly to make sure because I had been thinking the same thing before I saw it.

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Curium, don't be a douche and idle only in Cellphones^2 channel. If you're gonna be on IRC, come to #gotwoot on irc.gotwoot.net

Is that on Rizon?

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Curium

Originally posted by: DDBen
My assumption would be more along the lines they wern't able to fully repare Chaos after the last time Kira destroyed it because do note at no point does sting transform the suit which is very uncharacteristic of him as in any other battle he did so regularly.

If you watch carefully, he does transform it 1 time. When he is dodgeing the Gottfried blast from the Archangel he transforms as he spins. I replayed that scene slowly to make sure because I had been thinking the same thing before I saw it.

Hmm upon rewatching it almost frame by frame it seems your correct as he barrel rolled away it does seem that he transformed for about 2 seconds. In that case its a simple fact of sting is a horrible pilot.

[kinggalaxia]

Ok, where to start.....

Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.

Number 2. Everyone who said they're glad Stellar....you should be ashamed of yourselves, honestly. I'll leave it at that.

Number 3. Yeah....Sting died stupidly. I do agree there.

Number 4. Kudos for going ahead with Neo/Mwu+Mirrue. A little too quick, I'd say (could've had him get up from the fall after a while sans mask and Mirrue gets a GLISPE before he runs off....dramaaa). In any case, it'll be quite interesting from here on out. "New enemy", eh, Kotono-chan [narrator]? Hmmmm.....

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Curium

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Curium, don't be a douche and idle only in Cellphones^2 channel. If you're gonna be on IRC, come to #gotwoot on irc.gotwoot.net

Is that on Rizon?

...

#gotwoot @ irc.gotwoot.net

So no, it would not be on rizon... We moved from rizon.net to gotwoot.net. We have our own network. There's a thread in the Announcements forum and in General Discussion..

Pay attention!

[kyubisrage]

Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....

Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.

Number 2. Everyone who said they're glad Stellar....you should be ashamed of yourselves, honestly. I'll leave it at that.

Number 3. Yeah....Sting died stupidly. I do agree there.

Number 4. Kudos for going ahead with Neo/Mwu+Mirrue. A little too quick, I'd say (could've had him get up from the fall after a while sans mask and Mirrue gets a GLISPE before he runs off....dramaaa). In any case, it'll be quite interesting from here on out. "New enemy", eh, Kotono-chan [narrator]? Hmmmm.....

Number 1: Shinn is gay and has retarded ideals etc etc. So I hope his ass dies.

Number 2: Im glad that bitch died

Number 3: ya I agree he died without much of a fight.

Originally posted by: Mite Gai
Destroy got owned and I am happy stupid Stellar got what she deserved. SERVES YOU RIGHT FOR KILLING OFF HEINE AND HIS AWESOME MS, STELLAR!!!! I don't know why Kira didn't just do that from the start. It appears that its shield goes down when it uses the chest cannons it can't just shoot through it.

Because the last thing Kira wanted to do is kill stellar. But he was forced to do it in the end.

[Deamon007]

Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....

Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.

Number 4. Kudos for going ahead with Neo/Mwu+Mirrue. A little too quick, I'd say (could've had him get up from the fall after a while sans mask and Mirrue gets a GLISPE before he runs off....dramaaa). In any case, it'll be quite interesting from here on out. "New enemy", eh, Kotono-chan [narrator]? Hmmmm.....

1 kira rules and shin must die the only way shin will win is if kira is fighting with a serious disadvantage and only shin uses seed

4 neo is mwu (I think)

Originally posted by: naruto22
Shinn, so much for losing your virginity. May you die with it intact.... joking guys. Kira would have fared better if he kept his intact instead of being seduced by that #!$*#@!%@#%)$&!^()$& Flay Alster.

it was kira that manipulated flay becouse he is Evil in the cool way (this is afcourse a theory of mine and not a fact)

[Terracosmo]

It would be funny if Shinn killed Kira. Just to see the reaction of everybody.

[Mite Gai]

Shinn is the only one left now who can blow Freedom up so its likely Kira will at least get his ass beat by Shinn.

[XwingRob]

I still don't get why some people think Shinn is gonna go after Kira because his family got caught in the crossfire. I mean I suppose he was probaly angry at Freedom during the shock, but once he sat down and thought about it, he came to the conclusion that it was it Attha's fault. Which I do agree, Shinn and his family should not have been on that island when EA attacked. (Didn't they have two days before the EA finally attacked?)