Poor rhanfal, i wouldnt say that it was a debate ("most of u thickheaded", this is true indeed), and for the chidori thing start a new thread plz. Is sad to see jiraya become nothing more than a clown or joker(ridiculizate his character), this fillers only serve the purpose of turning the series worse (even if the public has a mental age of 10 years and like em)

Bye..