Episode 136 Discussion!!!!

[LobsterMagnet]

The fillers really frustrate me. You can see the writers trying so hard to try and recreate the elements necessary for a good naruto episode but they just can't get it right. The filler plot line is like watching naruto after it's heart and soul has been ripped from it's body. Hey this sounds like naruto. It looks like naruto, but something is missing, that special something that has kept me watching for 130+ episodes. I really hate it when they try and distill the essence of naruto into a simple summery with a contrived flashback montage of all the friends he's made then he defeats what ever bad guys that have been laid out infront of him with a conviently placed rasengan. I hope that the producers and directors or suffer from a bad case of indigestion.

[y4but]

it's like nobody even likes naruto anymore lol

i didnt really think it was that bad. ok no action, no amazing parts but just another ep. sometimes u need those to set things up. definitiely an episode to save up so you can watch like 3 eps in a row. damn those were the days.

[folf]

for someone who doesn't read the manga, this would not necessarily be filler, but this episode really was bad.
It wasn't the action.
or 'amazing' things.

An episode about Naruto drooling in his sleep could have been done better.

[KM]

This episode is bad.

The saddest thing was that the girls in the inn weren't even pretty. Jiraiya you disappoint me.

When I saw the masked ninja, I thought I was watching pokemon.

The reason I liked naruto in the first place was because I liked the undertone of violent behind the peaceful village of konoha. I enjoyed the fact that although most of the characters were teenagers, the undertone suggested that the anime was about their growing into the harsh reality, the possibility that they are growing into something they don't want to be. This objective of the anime was very clear fighting haku. The story eliminated this conflict and downplayed the meaning of being a ninja.

[Samehada]

I don't understand what you lot found wrong with the animation/artwork/whatever, it seemed to me like any other Naruto episode, no better, no worse. Makes me think that all you people care about is action and plot advancement in every episode. True, its not an episode I would rewatch lots of times, but it wasn't terrible and certainly better than just not having an episode this week at all.
For ages now, every discussion thread is full of people slagging Naruto off and pointing out all the flaws etc, if you don't like Naruto anymore, why are you still watching it? I think people have set their mind on the filler being rubbish and are looking for any excuse to not like no matter how rediculous (like the animation which was how it usually is). The filler is gonna be a story in itself that obviously doesn't matter much in the bigger picture, but every story has to have a start. Also, these quiet episodes make me appreciate the action more. If it was non-stop action every episode I would get tired of it. Its like in the new star wars films, it got to the point where every lightsaber fight looked the same, and the excitement was gone.

[Jurojin]

When Sakura started spouting "I have to try to bring Sasuke back, even if I'm powerless" etc, etc, I wanted to believe, for a split second, that she'd go on her own, find Sasuke, and do something so that she's killed by him, thus giving him the Mangekyou (spl) Sharingan. But, I'm a dreamer like that.

[ChaosK]

that would've been great...i assumed she was going to train before going out blindly and getting her ass killed after she took 2 steps outta the village....

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Honoko
i would even dare to say even more over the top than what kishimoto might usually cook up (ie, all 3 sand ninjas showing up to save everyone's asses all at the same time )

since when is the 3 sandnins showing up at the same time considered "over the top"?

btw....sakura's sleeves are cut off in the intro too, so i dont think it was just that this ep that messed up
oh, and also in last week's ep

[LobsterMagnet]

Sakura losing her sleeves just might be a minor costume change. I think it's supposed to be a prelude for the time jump. All of the manga readers should know what I'm talking about. Yesh it's so frustrating trying to write a message when you have two different audiences in mind. For all of you anime only watchers please go read the manga so you can at least aknowledge this content as nothing but filler. If you don't then your opinion of naruto will decline rather quickly.

[Honoko]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
since when is the 3 sandnins showing up at the same time considered "over the top"?

well, i feel like if u look at the whole situation objectively, it's kinda cheesy how it just so happened that all three konoha ninjas were about to get killed and then they all get saved all at the same time. of course, i am assuming that the fights were happening in real time and the way all the scenes were interchanging implied that all of the events occurring were all happening at that moment.

i'll admit though, the first time i saw that scene the geek in me was like, "cool!"

[miaka]

Originally posted by: Jurojin
When Sakura started spouting "I have to try to bring Sasuke back, even if I'm powerless" etc, etc, I wanted to believe, for a split second, that she'd go on her own, find Sasuke, and do something so that she's killed by him, thus giving him the Mangekyou (spl) Sharingan. But, I'm a dreamer like that.

lol.. that would be a good idea to have sasura killed by one that she has annoying crush on.... excpet that i think you have to kill your best friend to get Magekyou.. i believe.. and i doubt that sakura is that that important to sasuke.. so even if sasuke kills her.. he won't get it i think..

[Jurojin]

Whether or not he gets it is a side-issue. The main deal will be that Sasuke killed Sakura, giving Naruto more reason to angst and revenge and actually beat the crap out of him [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[ChaosK]

sure, the story would love that kinda twist, too bad its not going to happen isnt it?

besides i figured when itachi said sasuke had to kill his best friend, he didnt literarly mean he had to pummel his best friend into pulp, he meant he needed to have the dark-heartedness to be able to kill his best friend so for all we know, sasuke could've already obtained the mangekyou.

[Honoko]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
sure, the story would love that kinda twist, too bad its not going to happen isnt it?

besides i figured when itachi said sasuke had to kill his best friend, he didnt literarly mean he had to pummel his best friend into pulp, he meant he needed to have the dark-heartedness to be able to kill his best friend so for all we know, sasuke could've already obtained the mangekyou.

but then i would argue that there's a difference between thought and deed where deed requires a bit more of a commitment than thought. and i would think that to obtain the mangekyou, one would seriously have to commit to actually killing his best friend. at the last moment, when sasuke's hand formed a fist at the last second before hitting naruto, i would equate that with sasuke discovering that he really couldn't kill naruto, no matter how much he thought he was willing and able.

[ChaosK]

yes what i'm meaning is if sasuke thought naruto was dead, then he could probably obtain it regardless of whether tsunade was able to revive naruto after...

lets think for a second:

if sasuke beat naruto to such a state that he thought naruto was definetaly dead, but turns out he was surviving by a thumbnail, sasuke could still get it. Its not like he thinks naruto is dead, he gets it but then naruto is revived and it suddenly disappears.......

sasuke doesnt know that naruto's not dead....or does he?

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Honoko

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
since when is the 3 sandnins showing up at the same time considered "over the top"?

well, i feel like if u look at the whole situation objectively, it's kinda cheesy how it just so happened that all three konoha ninjas were about to get killed and then they all get saved all at the same time. of course, i am assuming that the fights were happening in real time and the way all the scenes were interchanging implied that all of the events occurring were all happening at that moment.

i'll admit though, the first time i saw that scene the geek in me was like, "cool!"

The Sand-nins all left at exactly the same time and due to where they had to go to reach each fight them ariving at the same time wasn't at all a issue. Yes all of the leaf ninja's were about to be beaten but not all of the fights ended at the same time. Gara's specifically went on much longer then the other two. I don't see a single issue with how this took place and I definatly don't see it as being over the top.

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
yes what i'm meaning is if sasuke thought naruto was dead, then he could probably obtain it regardless of whether tsunade was able to revive naruto after...

lets think for a second:

if sasuke beat naruto to such a state that he thought naruto was definetaly dead, but turns out he was surviving by a thumbnail, sasuke could still get it. Its not like he thinks naruto is dead, he gets it but then naruto is revived and it suddenly disappears.......

sasuke doesnt know that naruto's not dead....or does he?

The whole point of that fights was in the end Sosuke choose not to kill Naruto so he wouldn't become like his brother. So your entire point is useless as that would completely defeat the character development of Sosuke finding his own path to the power to kill his brother.

[Honoko]

Originally posted by: DDBen
The Sand-nins all left at exactly the same time and due to where they had to go to reach each fight them ariving at the same time wasn't at all a issue. Yes all of the leaf ninja's were about to be beaten but not all of the fights ended at the same time. Gara's specifically went on much longer then the other two. I don't see a single issue with how this took place and I definatly don't see it as being over the top.

hm... i think now my original point is about to get blurred. sand-nins arriving all arriving at the same exact time was never meant to be a huge issue. i was only using it as an example. my whole point was, while kishimoto's storytelling is perfect for its intended audience (kiddies in japan) the storytelling now is very patronizing to aforementioned audience. and my term "over the top" was directed more towards these nameless storytellers butchering the current filler arc than kishimoto's, whose "over the top" storytelling works well for kiddies in japan.

is this only making sense to me? looks like i've got to spend 10 minutes thinking about what i'm about to post instead of 5 haha

[Cal_kashi]

I guess all you bitching bastards have a decision to make. If you adamantly hate the fillers like you seem to, why watch them? If your going to hate it, don't watch it. Wait for the anime to start up again. If you choose to watch it STFU; comment in a more usefull way than OMG!!!!!11!!! filler is teh suxxxxxor!!!!!!111!!!

edit. added a semi-colon between STFU and comment, thats right bitches, a semi-colon.

[Assertn]

kimimaro DID have 2 fights, and they both started after shika and kiba's.....
however kiba ran away, which delayed his match, and shika and tayuya were in a deadlock for who knows how long....
so it all balances out


For those saying sasuke could still have mangekyou....

first of all, even if its the INTENTION of killing your best friend that earns mangekyou, not just the actual deed, then it still wont work out for sasuke, since he changed his mind at the last second about delivering the fatal blow.

second of all, sasuke knows that naruto is still alive. this is why he specifically says "I will not do as you say" (or as i preferred it translated in the manga "I will not be your puppet") In other words, he knows that he has not fulfilled the requirements given to him by his brother.

[ChaosK]

hmm...ok your proof beats mine [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]