Game: What game are you currently playing??

[KrayZ33]

What's the basis for this? While I have no other experience than some medium heavy game modding years ago, I'd think it could be easier to downgrade than upgrade game material. You can always reduce polycount of models and resolution of textures or remove details (models, effects, texture shaders, realtime lighting) from scenes even using automatic methods, but there're no automatic methods for increasing anything I mentioned. Removing is easy, adding is hard work, yet if you must have a better PC version, there's no alternative to that hard work. If you do it anyway, why not do it and then afterwards keep removing from the default as much as is necessary for the inferior console versions to run?

2 reasons I can think off right now

1. games sell like 5 times better on consoles, if they are released on all platforms, so why even bother with fancy stuff, people will pick up the inferior version anyway
2. hardware issues, no one can disagree that its alot harder to optimize for the PC... console hardware is always the same, so you can optimize the game for those... also the hardware is pretty "weak" compared to modern PCs so you can go higher without fears from there if you want to take it to the PC.

thats what I'd do :/

[darkshadow]

You don't honestly believe they make the assets spec'd perfectly for the hardware right?
Do you think this thing is what you see in-game?
http://epicgames.com/community/wp-co...oredkantus.jpg
No, assets are -always- made in a higher resolution than what ends up in the game, even higher than what's in pc games.
Simply cause working on a texture with a 512x512 space sucks ass compared to working on it at 4kx4k; this way you can also always just go back to the master copy and downgrade accordingly if you need more detail.

Like Kraco said, adding detail, especially with textures, is a fucking nightmare if you weren't working with high res smart objects and vectors which is mostly the case if you have to paint/brush in details.

[KrayZ33]

that was not what I was going for
I don't think I said anything like that
and I don't get what exactly you are trying to tell me there



basically if you say kraco is correct, you are are telling me its easier to build something in full detail and then remove the details - than build it with less detail in the first place... and if I want to spice things up I could always add the details later

[darkshadow]

Oh..so you didn't say this?:

1. games sell like 5 times better on consoles, if they are released on all platforms, so why even bother with fancy stuff, people will pick up the inferior version anyway

If you can't see how my post is a direct reply to that, then you are as intellectually challenged as animeniax.

[KrayZ33]

im sorry that my point didn't get over

[Kraco]

basically if you say kraco is correct, you are are telling me its easier to build something in full detail and then remove the details - than build it with less detail in the first place... and if I want to spice things up I could always add the details later

I just oversimplified the process in my post to make my point clearer.

[darkshadow]

Why the fuck did you edit your post after replying to me instead of just posting that shit as a reply...fucking worthless.

basically if you say kraco is correct, you are are telling me its easier to build something in full detail and then remove the details

Kraco is correct and I'm not telling you it's easier, I'm telling you that's how it already is being done; why the fuck do you think I linked the picture of the 100 million+ polygon model for GOW3? That polycount is more than an entire scene in Crysis 2.

.. and if I want to spice things up I could always add the details later

Did you completely ignore my post? I clearly said:

adding detail, especially with textures, is a fucking nightmare if you weren't working with high res smart objects and vectors which is mostly the case if you have to paint/brush in details

[Animeniax]

Good lord can't you argue a point without getting your panties all in a wad? If what you're saying is correct, which I'm sure is not, then why are games not released on PC with any greater quality and frequency than they currently are? Why do PC ports almost always suck compared to their console counterparts? If the game can be played on PC in high res with a lot of detail, why aren't they released on PC as more than an afterthought? Because they're developed for the consoles and their much weaker hardware specs. They are ported to the PC to grab a few extra dollars.

I think you're extrapolating what you learned at your little design school in Holland (what would equate to a community college here in the states) and think that's how it's done in the industry. Seems counter-intuitive to do things the way you insist they are being done.

[Xelbair]

I think you're extrapolating what you learned at your little design school in Holland (what would equate to a community college here in the states) and think that's how it's done in the industry. Seems counter-intuitive to do things the way you insist they are being done.

Sadly you are damn wrong - that one is one of better universities in EU. Not only in that part - generally in everything in this thread lately.

[darkshadow]

I'll just leave this here:

When it comes to the mathematics and sciences, U.S. students are lagging behind other countries.

It’s true. According to the U.S. Department of Education’s 2007 “Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study” (TIMSS), the U.S. trails behind the following countries in average mathematics scores:

Singapore
Taiwan
Japan
Republic of Korea
Hong Kong
Sweden
Netherlands
Hungary
Slovenia

http://www.realonlinedegrees.com/wp-...TION-RATES.png

Actually I'll also leave this here:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...n-OECD-001.jpg

Clearly there are some serious problems with the US educational systems, I mean, someone had to teach you that smoking pot in order to understand criminals is the completely sane thing to do if you want to become a cop right?

Nah you are just insane retard, it's funny you consider your life to be so miserable that you have to discredit other people's achievements and drag them down to your morally bankrupt level.
Now GTFO.

[KrayZ33]

Why the fuck did you edit your post after replying to me instead of just posting that shit as a reply...fucking worthless.

can't read the clock can you?

you might want to stop being an ass btw

[Ryllharu]

Good god, just stop already.

One of you works in game development (or at the very least computer graphics asset creation). The other is making conjecture about how they believe game development works. You know which one of you is which.

[Animeniax]

Sadly you are damn wrong - that one is one of better universities in EU. Not only in that part - generally in everything in this thread lately.

Do you know which school ds went to? or are you just assuming all schools are of equal worth in a particular country?

And which parts am I wrong about, that Sleeping Dogs is widely regarded as GTA3: Hong Kong? Or that porting is not a proper way to support PC gamers (hence the upwelling of support for Square Enix's treatment of Sleeping Dogs' PC development)?

Good god, just stop already.

One of you works in game development (or at the very least computer graphics asset creation). The other is making conjecture about how they believe game development works. You know which one of you is which.

Actually the argument was whether or not Sleeping Dogs is a port. I provided links to articles that say it is.

[Xelbair]

Do you know which school ds went to? or are you just assuming all schools are of equal worth in a particular country?

And which parts am I wrong about, that Sleeping Dogs is widely regarded as GTA3: Hong Kong? Or that porting is not a proper way to support PC gamers (hence the upwelling of support for Square Enix's treatment of Sleeping Dogs' PC development)?



Actually the argument was whether or not Sleeping Dogs is a port. I provided links to articles that say it is.

Yes i do. I won't post link to it's site - i have no idea if DS would want that or not.

[Animeniax]

Yes i do. I won't post link to it's site - i have no idea if DS would want that or not.

Shrug, you could just post a link to a major game design school in Holland. There may be some game designers here looking for a school to study at abroad, watch some good kickboxing, and smoke some.

edit: I finished Sleeping Dogs (story and most of the other). Pretty cool game. I think I liked Red Dead Redemption better as far as GTA clones. But SD has its share of unique abilities and gameplay elements to make it worth a play.

[KrayZ33]

After GW2 was unplayable (once again) due to lags I started downloading the XCOM demo

the game looks great, I'm about to prepurchase it.
nostalgia... so much nostalgia

I like the new class system too, makes you want to keep your soldiers even more that way.

[Ryllharu]

After GW2 was unplayable (once again) due to lags

Just curious how.

I get only the faintest of blips of lag (usually a combo attack, slot 1 stuff, activating all at once) and I play on European servers while living in the US. It happens maybe once every hour.

I've played other MMO on actual US servers that have worse lag.

[KrayZ33]

Just curious how.

I get only the faintest of blips of lag (usually a combo attack, slot 1 stuff, activating all at once) and I play on European servers while living in the US. It happens maybe once every hour.

I've played other MMO on actual US servers that have worse lag.

it probably has to do with routing problems in germany
i'm not kidding when I'm telling you that those lags last for 40seconds to 2-3 minutes (!)...

the funny thing is that those lags appear in a random order, while you are playing just fine, your m8 right next to you has lags...then 2 minutes later, you'll get a huge lag spike while he can play just fine

its not because of a event somewhere or because the zone is overflown with players, it just "happens"

[Buffalobiian]

I was looking through the steam forum discussions, and I found this site called Green Man Gaming. It's a digital game retailer (like Origin and Steam). They seem to have better prices, and when you purchase a game from them you can choose to either play on their own client (called Capsule), or they also give you a steam (I'm guessing you can choose an Origin one too?) activation code to unlock the game on Steam if you prefer to play it there instead. The Borderlands 2 Season Pack costs $40 on Steam at the moment. I found a coupon last night that gave me the pack for $24 via GreenManGaming (I only had 4 minutes to finalise the purchase myself before the code expired.. sorry folks), but it's still up for $30 at the site.

(If you do play on Capsule, it lets you trade the game back in at a later date for credit on your account)

I opted for the steam code (I didn't choose while purchasing.. I remember just being given the code after I bought the game), and it was recognised by Steam. Can't say whether it "works" or not since the content isn't out and doesn't appear in my Steam Library.. but Steam gave me a receipt anyway so it's all but guaranteed.

[darkshadow]

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