Impossible seals

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Kovash

Btw, the Mystery seal (Clanched Fist layed on Open palm) in the 'Suiryuudan' is an upside-down Dog (Open Palm layed on Clenched fist ) I don't know what it is supposed to be though, and it's NOT a badly drawn dog, cause I checked the manga and the sumbols are completely different.

That is the "ninth" seal. I watched episode 9 and memorized teh seals for that jutsu about a year ago (I've forgotten them by now...which isn't necessarily a bad thing). While he is chanting the seals, at one point he says "ninth rat", then makes the seal you described, then the rat, then the next seal in the order he is chanting. I'll assume to make a "ninth" anything, you have to perform that seal before the other one.

[darkshadow]

there are more then 12 seals

[Roko]

Yah, but those 12 are the most common ones used by every ninja for a large number of jutsus. There are still the forbidden ones and bloodline/family ones.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Roko
Yah, but those 12 are the most common ones used by every ninja for a large number of jutsus. There are still the forbidden ones and bloodline/family ones.

Can you tell me where this was said?

[Assertn]

you found the ONE image of a handseal thats drawn incorrectly

where do you get this SOME seals cannot be formed business?

[XanBcoo]

Haku uses a lot of seals that aren't seen anywhere else. Especially his one-handed ones (sign language! XD).

The Second Hokage also uses some weird seals in the anime when he fights sandaime. When he uses suiton suijinheki, I mean.

And yeah, I think that picture of the monkey is the only one drawn weird. All other seals are pretty easy to make.

[Kovash]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Roko
Yah, but those 12 are the most common ones used by every ninja for a large number of jutsus. There are still the forbidden ones and bloodline/family ones.

Can you tell me where this was said?

It's not 'said' per se. just 'shown'. People usually assume there are only 12 seals because they are the 12 signs of the Japanese Zodiac, but we've seen other special ones, like the - Kage Bunshin 'cross' - Byakugan 'spire' - Hijutsu 'arch' - and Suiton 'tower'. (I made up those names ¬_¬)

While we can't be certain that they are strictly used in those circumstances, they are the only ones we've seen them in. (Note, and it's not just the anime either; I checked the Manga and they all appear there as well, in the same circumstances)

[XanBcoo]

Where were the "arch" and "tower" used? j/w

[Kovash]

Originally posted by: xanbcoo
Where were the "arch" and "tower" used? j/w

Hijutsu 'Arch' is used twice, once when Haku uses 'Makyou Huoshou' and once when Orochimaru uses the Cruse of Heaven technique on Sasuke. It might have been used more than that, but they are the only times I remember.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the Arch is the same as Tiger, but the middle fingers are looped over the top of the Index fingers.

The Suiton tower was seen once, used by the 2nd Hokage. I can't remember exactly which Suiton it was (Suijin Heki, or Suishouha) he cups one hand around his fist and extends his thumb upwards.


And just for completion sake, the Kagebunshin 'cross' is seen every time Naruto uses the Kagebunshin; and the Byakugan 'spire' we see about three times, twice by Neji and once by Hinata (it looks like the Tiger, except only one index finger is extended and the rest are folded over.)

[Rhanfahl]

My whole take on it is that the zodiac seals can be used for any or nearly any jutsu, but that certain techniques may have a "shortcut" cause I think in the 2004 Hidden falls special, that wuss ass Pseudo-Mizukage loser guy with the spirit water does Suiton: Suiryuudan and I know he doesn't do 45 seconds worth of seals like Zabuza who was probably one of the best damn Mist ninja ever since he was one of the Shinobi-gatana guys. Also I remember Kakashi using Suiton: Suijinheki when evading an attack from Itachi in the river battle, and he doesn't use the simple 2 hand movement that Nidaime Hokage uses, and then only one more for Suiton: Suishouha.

I can only imagine that the different seals may have to do with using a different amount of chakra for the technique or perhaps the people with the shortcuts just screwed around with their favorite techniques till they figured out a way to execute them much faster. But I think we're all reading into it a little much cause its a cartoon and there are times when Sasuke uses Katon techniques and just does the generic insane speed hand seals and doesn't perform each and everyone necessary for say... Housenka. So, its a cartoon, don't read too much into it.

[ChaosK]

where? i dont see on narutoex.

[shadowstalker888]

the pinky is smaller than the thumb LOOK CLOSELY

[Y]

You can clearly tell that both of the fingers in the foreground are thumbs. It's an error. Don't try explaining it away.

[Roko]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
where? i dont see on narutoex.

information on side, than chakra guide. You should be able to figure it out from there.

[Swee]

holy shit!! tats impossible!

[yvliew]

get over it. It was just drawing error.. Get a life

[Rhanfahl]

Originally posted by: yvliew
get over it. It was just drawing error.. Get a life

You revived a thread that's been dead for nearly half a year to say that? Clearly you need a life if you're looking at posts this far back.

[Necromas]

yvliew didn't go through the 6 months worth of posts to find it, it was revived when I made a new topic on the subject (not having been here for 6 months in order to have seen the old one).

[pk7]

to whoever mentioned the "seal" shortcuts, i thoguht it was kos they just cut out the animation and that it was assumed they just did the seals incredibly fast. (... i mean after you cant sit there listening to them slowly monologue all the seals). unless they should him diong fewer seals. can't remember; did they actually show him doing fewer moves?

[yvliew]

Yup i was taken to this thread by another thread.