Episode 134 Discussion!!!

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: yapchagi

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
naruto lost with kyubi powers BECAUSE he sucks as a ninja.
if it was shikamaru with the kyubi powers fighting sasuke, then the outcome of that match would've been different

Actually if Neji has the Kyubi...Then he would be the toughest one. He's genious and smart in opening new jutsus or anything else just like he found the 64 hit tenketsus move by himself and not the mention he knows the 128 hit too.
So I'm sure if Kyubi was in Neji, he would be able to use it better than Naruto.
Imagine Neji with Kyubi or Neji in Level 2. How strong he will become?
Even in his current state, he's able to beat the level 2 of that spider guy.

Some more to consider:
- Gaara has both Kyubi and Shukaku, then go to Level 2
- Naruto go to Level 2, then use Kyubi mode
- Lee go to Level 2 then activate the 8 Gates

neji's fighting style doesnt rely on raw power, nor healing capabilities.....i dont know if the kyubi would help him moreso than the others. Now KIBA on the other hand....would definitely take advantage of the taijutsu provided by kyubi

[DB_Hunter]

Whoa wait a second...

Haku 'killing' Zabuza means that he is stronger than Kakashi??? Zabuza was stuck to a damn tree and all Haku did was throw some needles at him... how much power does throwing needles of aiming take????

Kakashi said to Naruto that there are people younger than him i.e. Naruto that are stronger than himself i.e. Kakashi. There is no indication that he was referring to Haku. And wasn't Haku a bit older than Naruto?

As for Kakashi not being able to free himself from dead Haku... he wasn't exactly trying his level best to get his arm back was he??? He was just showing a shocked expression on his face, thats all, and he just shifted his weight...

[voonvoon]

get a hold of urself...this is 134 dicussion not haku n all those nonsence u guys wrote

and i dont think that guy is a NEW akasuki member..maybe hes akatsuki

wonder if sasuke go back to the village anot or... he went to orochimaru

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Whoa wait a second...

Haku 'killing' Zabuza means that he is stronger than Kakashi??? Zabuza was stuck to a damn tree and all Haku did was throw some needles at him... how much power does throwing needles of aiming take????

Kakashi said to Naruto that there are people younger than him i.e. Naruto that are stronger than himself i.e. Kakashi. There is no indication that he was referring to Haku. And wasn't Haku a bit older than Naruto?

As for Kakashi not being able to free himself from dead Haku... he wasn't exactly trying his level best to get his arm back was he??? He was just showing a shocked expression on his face, thats all, and he just shifted his weight...

Exactly. I agree completely.
Although Haku was pretty damn strong (it took kyuubi to beat him), there is no reason to think that he'd be any match for Kakashi.
Haku was a bit older than Naruto, but only a bit I'll assume. Kakashi was just trying to say that Haku was strong for his age...at least, stronger than Naruto or Sasuke.
And yeah, that's exactly what happened when Kakashi was grabbed by dead Haku. He didn't try and break free at all.

PS: New akatsuki guy pwnzors

[kooshi]

Originally posted by: voonvoon
and i dont think that guy is a NEW akasuki member..maybe hes akatsuki

We're saying he's new because we haven't seen him before. A new character, so to speak, but we're pretty much saying he's a new character as an Akatsuki member.

[DarthEnderX]

That's exactly how this show will end. The final scene in the show will be the inauguration ceremony for the next hokage because Tsunade died. We see the new hokage in the cape and hat, and the final 5 second will be him taking off the cape and hat, revealing Naruto.

And then a year later, Naruto Z will start airing telling the story of the children of Naruto/Hinata, Sasuke/Sakura and Shikamaru/Temari just graduating from the academy under the instruction of their mysterious Jounin leader, Shino.

[KM]

for the kakashi vs haku debate:

when kakashi said there are people stronger than him and younger than naruto, he was referring to haku. But he did not know how strong haku was. He was just saying it to teach naruo a lesson. Haku was dressed as the equivalent of an anbu of the konoha. The mask that he was wearing suggested to kakashi that he was at least stronger than a jounin (and haku is definitely stronger than zabuza). That was why kakashi made the assumption that haku was stronger than himself.

Based on the look, you would expect haku to be even stronger than itachi, since itachi was some years older before becoming an anbu.

[XanBcoo]

ANBU doesn't mean that they're stronger than a Jounin.
Hell, Kakashi was part of ANBU years before he even met Team 7. If you're saying he assumed Haku was stronger based on the fact that Haku looked like a mist ANBU (actually a hunter-nin), then you're still wrong.
Kakashi's comment was referring to ninjas in general, not Haku. Otherwise, he would have been more specific when he said "there are ninjas in this world..."; he was telling Naruto not to be suprised that Haku is stronger than Naruto because such ninja do exist. I think you are misconstruing what Kakashi said.
Can we stop discussing this please?

[Mut]

Originally posted by: KM
for the kakashi vs haku debate:

when kakashi said there are people stronger than him and younger than naruto, he was referring to haku. But he did not know how strong haku was. He was just saying it to teach naruo a lesson. Haku was dressed as the equivalent of an anbu of the konoha. The mask that he was wearing suggested to kakashi that he was at least stronger than a jounin (and haku is definitely stronger than zabuza). That was why kakashi made the assumption that haku was stronger than himself.

Based on the look, you would expect haku to be even stronger than itachi, since itachi was some years older before becoming an anbu.

Good lord, KM. You should stick to AMG discussions. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[Rhanfahl]

Have any of you been in a real fight? Now obviously this show has shit loads of unreal stuff in it, but if you really wanna know why Naruto lost its quite simple. A battle is determined by 5 things...

1. Skill - Technique, power, speed, etc.

2. Desire - Who wants it more! The whole Bruce Lee example of " If your opponent bruses you, you break their bones, if they break your bones, you kill them, blah blah blah..."

3.Experience - Having knowledge of your opponent and their limits opposed to yours. As well as knowing from a previous incident generally what to expect out of what you are about to do.

4. Uninhibited Mind - The ability to just act without having to think, to move on instinct. To use your entire arsenal in an effective way without having to pause to determine what works best in what situtation.

5. Surprise - Gaining the upper hand through preemptive or hidden movements/attacks, or giving your opponent the false sense that you are not his opponent to begin with. If you wanna win, you gotta fight dirty (Especially if you're a freaking ninja).

So for instance, if someone is trying to kill you and you are simply trying to immobilize them, and all of the other criteria between you are equal, chances are you're still F-ed. Why? Because the other person has no limit on what they can or will do, their goal is to destroy you in any fashion they can, while yours is to defend yourself and defeat your opponent without causing permanent harm.

Now in this situtation (shitty looking super powers and transformations aside) Sasuke is faster, has much much better form, more experience, more techniques, knows what he's doing, and he's trying to actually kill Naruto.

You don't beat an opponent unless you are totally willing and ready to win in any way, shape, or form, including killing your opponent. If you think that's just bullshit then get a friend and go outside. One of you only try to hit the other in the head, while the other person can just do whatever the hell they want.

So my ultimate point is, don't squabble over a cartoon, there are better things to do, be constructive and don't bash each other, its only a fucking show. If you really like it, then try and be excited for what's going to happen, and not fight over why an episode "should or shouldn't" have been a certain way. If you want it to be different write a Fan Fic or something....otherwise, get a snack, sit down, shut the fuck up and watch the show!

[Mut]

Well, interesting first post. But that's not how GW works. Arguing is the only way to go!

[XanBcoo]

I just think Purple Kyuubi-Rasengans suck is all...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[KM]

Originally posted by: xanbcoo
ANBU doesn't mean that they're stronger than a Jounin.
Hell, Kakashi was part of ANBU years before he even met Team 7. If you're saying he assumed Haku was stronger based on the fact that Haku looked like a mist ANBU (actually a hunter-nin), then you're still wrong.
Kakashi's comment was referring to ninjas in general, not Haku. Otherwise, he would have been more specific when he said "there are ninjas in this world..."; he was telling Naruto not to be suprised that Haku is stronger than Naruto because such ninja do exist. I think you are misconstruing what Kakashi said.
Can we stop discussing this please?

Hunter-nin hunts jounins. They are stronger than jounins. I didn't say that kakashi assumed haku was stronger based on the fact that haku looked like a mist ANBU. You took away the obvious facts that haku was a lot younger, that he seemingly assassinated zabuza with zero effort, that kakashi did not perceive his presence, not his attack. Kakashi was an ANBU at a certain age, and haku seemingly reached that stage a lot earlier. There was why kakashi thought that maybe haku is stronger than him. Also put naruto's comment in context. After zabuza was taken away, naruto said what the hell was that, that kid just casually killed someone the four of them together fought. Kakashi seemed to agree (yet still doubtful) with what naruto said, and told naruto the statement. Of course kakashi was speaking of the ninjas in general, but haku was included at that moment.

Back to episode 134, the episode is quite disappointing:

- The visual effects with the black chidori and the collision of the chakra didn't fit the style. Not to mention the ball with techno feel, didn't make any sense.
- Sasuke's level 2 appearance is not appealing.
- The presentation of emotional content is forced and unnatural.

When sasuke continue into the forest after the fight, he said that he would gain power in this own way. He already chose not to kill his best friend, and probably chosen not to go to orochimaru. Yet he is still walking into something extremely dark. Makes you wonder how he is going to gain more power. Maybe do something darker than itachi or orochimaru can imagine?

[DB_Hunter]

Honestly, is it me or is this the first time in 134 episodes the discussion of Haku being stronger than Kakashi has been brought up?

[darkshadow]

let me just say abit more about haku's strength:
kakashi says i should do this, when naruto appeared, he realized haku was WAAAAY more powerfull then naruto or sasuke
haku broke that guys arm just by holding it ( naruto kyuubi style)
sasuke threw shuriken when he was busy talking to naruo, haku dodged it with ease
in the flashback, zabuza says, he is a fighting machine labeled ninja, on top of that his techniques surpass mine
he never intended to kill ne of em, or the fight would be over fast, reeeaaally fast
(also naruto had that same ultra beastly look on him against haku, as with the sasuke naruto fight, the other kyuubi transformations didnt look like that, just watch it again, the chakra just didnt manifest around him as a fox)
AND they CAN sense normal chakra, or both of em would be like, w8 i sense chakra, that means it is a DEMON, AAAAAH, but no, they questioned it first, zabuza didnt even say ne thing like, hmm must be some demon passing by then( ofcourse kakashi knew later on but thats logical)
and come on that first kyuubi punch didnt even ko haku
and just a little screen cap of what he did as a 6 your old brat ( maybe even younger):


he never even used the full potential of his bloodline limit against team 7....


ok back to ep 134
hmm i didnt notice sasuke walked into a black "future" or something, maybe hes relying on oro more now

[DB_Hunter]

OK so now lets follow this logic..

Haku > Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi

Kyuubi Naruto ("lvl 2" version) > Haku

Which means that now Naruto is stronger than Kakashi???

[darkshadow]

hmm in power yes, but i never said haku would defeat kakashi [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img], kakashi has more experience and stuff, naruto has like what 2 years of experience, kakashi would win, unless ofcourse he gets tired ( but kakashi cant lose cause he's badass [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img])

[DarthEnderX]

They never fought and they never will, you're all wasting your time arguing.


As I'm colorblind, I didn't realize the Rasengan was purple and not blue. I consider that preferable. I think that a red one would have been best, because I think mixing their chakra together should have been saved for later in the series, but purple makes more sense than blue, so I'm satisfied.

[Tidus_Yuna]

Originally posted by: xanbcoo
Is anyone else disappointed about the blue Kyuubi-Rasengan?
I was expecting a deeper red...

well its like red+blue= purple if u look again u will see purple

[Edort4]

Well at last the end of the fight, not very dramatic, that multicolor sphere was quite absurd changing color while naruto an sasuke levitate inside of it. The handwings sasuke grew are realy crappy(so horrible and stupid that i cant understand kishimoto, he has very good art and made.. "that") if i was him i would cut them.

With the topic of haku and so, he didnt make any move or jutsu that could kill kakashi, even sasuke with his low level sharingan was almost able to hurt him, even inside his uber bloodline technique. He was strong for his age, a lot, with a very powerful bloodline, but it takes a lot more to beat kakashi. If haku could have killed kakashi i dont know why akatsuki hasnt take him, stronger than kakashi (so at kisames lvl) at the age of 14-15... that sounds even stronger than itachi.. i hope u see what i mean.

About jounin and anbu, all the anbu are jounins, but not all the jounins seem to be, or had been anbu, maybe is some short of "military" service. We havent seen much about anbu but for what we saw they dont look to be much stronger than jounins. I supposse that anbu are more suited for hunting purposes, better tracking abilities and so. They look like a military police, wich doesnt mean they are stronger, just another part of the military, some jounins are teachears, team leadders and so, and some other jounins join anbu.

I would also say that anbus going in teams to hunt other nins give the sensations of being weaker, jounins fight with other country jounins one on one and anbu hunt in packs. Also the rank doesnt give the power, naruto defeated a chunnin when he was only a student(but at that time he wasnt even stronger that i.e a genning like neji). Anbu hunt miss-nins, not only jounins.

Bye!