Episode 134 Discussion!!!

**Mut** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by: darkshadow
damn watch the arc again, kakashi said to naruto that there are ppl younger then him, but also stronger then him, obviously refering to haku, and other references where also made, JUST WATCH IT AGAIN, also kakashi couldnt even get free from a DEAD haku's grip..........i mean lik wow how strong must you be then, also when he sensed that zabuza was gonna die, he stopped naruto veeeery easily, transported in front of zabuza ( with the mirror ) and took the hit, in less then a second, and we all know that haku was a damn genius, who else can make freaking 1 handed seals

Wait, so what the hell? Kakashi just knew Haku was stronger because Haku "killed" Zabuza and they met for the first time? It's stupid to think that Kakashi just automatically knew how strong Haku was even though they've never met before and Kakashi has never heard of him. Also, did you know that dead people get rigor mortis? I'm sure it doesn't occur instantly, but it's probably what Kishimoto meant to show. I'm not going to explain why I brought up rigor mortis because I assume you know what that is. Anyway, what does being able sense Zabuza dying and taking the Chidori hit have anything to do with this? Kakashi sensed Naruto getting into deep shit miles away. So?

**darkshadow** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:19 PM

if kakashi can sense that, im sure he can sense haku's power, when the seal almost broke both zabuza and kakashi were startled ( spelling) because of the chakra, zabuza even said, its to BIG to be kakashi's, SO what i was geussing that these jounins ( especially kakashi) can sense how strong some1 is ( just like the powerlvl nonsense in dbz )

**yapchagi** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by: Assassin
the best part imo was te itachi flashback at the end, and sasuke saying "i'll gain power in my own way". but does this mean hes not going to oro anymore? or was that just to say that he wont try to get the mangekyo sharingan?

I think it means that Sasuke won't do what Itachi told him to. So he will not try to kill his best friend anymore. Means his intention on getting the Mangekyou is gone.
Coz there's another way to get stronger and that is from Orochimaru.

And the reason why he couldn't kill Naruto is because he loves him so damn much....He just can't admit it to Naruto about how handsome he really is.

**Mut** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:26 PM

Kakashi can sense the DEMON CHAKRA not just regular person's. If these ninjas could sense everyone's chakra, what the hell is the point of being able sneak up on them? Not only that, Naruto had to release A LOT of Kyubi chakra to me noticed. When Kakashi said "there are people younger than me but stronger", Haku never released any. At least not any large amount.

**darkshadow** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:27 PM

yapchagi , does your name imply a kick from taekwondo? ( sidekick)

**yapchagi** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
naruto lost with kyubi powers BECAUSE he sucks as a ninja.
if it was shikamaru with the kyubi powers fighting sasuke, then the outcome of that match would've been different

Actually if Neji has the Kyubi...Then he would be the toughest one. He's genious and smart in opening new jutsus or anything else just like he found the 64 hit tenketsus move by himself and not the mention he knows the 128 hit too.
So I'm sure if Kyubi was in Neji, he would be able to use it better than Naruto.
Imagine Neji with Kyubi or Neji in Level 2. How strong he will become?
Even in his current state, he's able to beat the level 2 of that spider guy.

Some more to consider:
- Gaara has both Kyubi and Shukaku, then go to Level 2
- Naruto go to Level 2, then use Kyubi mode
- Lee go to Level 2 then activate the 8 Gates

**yapchagi** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by: darkshadow
yapchagi , does your name imply a kick from taekwondo? ( sidekick)

Yes, it is Korean word for Side Kick...It's actually yupchagi, not yapchagi.

Don't double post. Use the edit button.

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**XanBcoo** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:35 PM

I'm gonna have to go with mut on this one.
Kakashi is stronger than Haku was. When he said "there are people in this world stronger than me, yet younger than you", he was trying to explain to Naruto the fact that age has nothing to do with power. Naruto was upset because Zabuza was "killed" by someone his age. Had Kakashi meant "Haku is stronger than me", he would have said it.
Good point about sensing the Kyuubi's chakra too. I think anyone could have felt that.
That's another thing: There is no way Naruto was more powerful unleashing Kyuubi against Haku than now against Sasuke. I dunno why you would think that at all.

**Board of Command** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
As for the whole Naruto would be nothing without Kyuubi discussion... I still maintain my theory that in order for Naruto to be truly a Hokage in his own right he will have to fight Kyuubi eventually and defeat it in battle, thus redeeming any lost respect he had for using a demon as a chakra source.

That's exactly how this show will end. The final scene in the show will be the inauguration ceremony for the next hokage because Tsunade died. We see the new hokage in the cape and hat, and the final 5 second will be him taking off the cape and hat, revealing Naruto.

**darkshadow** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by: yapchagi

Originally posted by: darkshadow
yapchagi , does your name imply a kick from taekwondo? ( sidekick)

Yes, it is Korean word for Side Kick...It's actually yupchagi, not yapchagi.

Don't double post. Use the edit button.

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lol i know it as yopchagi , im a 5 year taekwondo artist myself

Originally posted by: xanbcoo
I'm gonna have to go with mut on this one.
Kakashi is stronger than Haku was. When he said "there are people in this world stronger than me, yet younger than you", he was trying to explain to Naruto the fact that age has nothing to do with power. Naruto was upset because Zabuza was "killed" by someone his age. Had Kakashi meant "Haku is stronger than me", he would have said it.
Good point about sensing the Kyuubi's chakra too. I think anyone could have felt that.
That's another thing: There is no way Naruto was more powerful unleashing Kyuubi against Haku than now against Sasuke. I dunno why you would think that at all.

well GENIUS haku didnt sense , he was like what is this, what is this strange power blablabla, and i think he wuz more powerfull then, because the game is actually STILL ahead of the anime, that also explains the uber rasengan he does in it( beats the purple 1 netime), also kakashi does a very cool chidori attack, that we are bound to c somewhere ahead

Spoiler removed. Don't mention what you heard from someone regarding the manga.

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***Terracosmo*** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 07:08 PM

ROFL

Sorry, I was just laughing at the obvious joke about Haku being stronger than Kakashi.
Because that WAS a joke right? ...right?

**Mut** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 07:10 PM

Dude. Let me get this quote thing fixed...

Hold on.

**darkshadow** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Kakashi can sense the DEMON CHAKRA not just regular person's. If these ninjas could sense everyone's chakra, what the hell is the point of being able sneak up on them? Not only that, Naruto had to release A LOT of Kyubi chakra to me noticed. When Kakashi said "there are people younger than me but stronger", Haku never released any. At least not any large amount.

kakashi knew those mist or rain or whatever guys where pretty damn weak who ambushed em before, y else would he w8 and c who the target was, IF they could be a potential danger, obviously he sensed there power, also it has nothing to do with releasing ALOT of chakra, zabuza said it was BIG, to BIG for kakashi, kakashi runs out of chakra pretty fast when fighting, so im sure if he can sense also kakashi's he can sense, chakra that is smaller than BIG
and not just ninjas, but jounins and in general the 1's of kakashi's lvl

edit nevermind i only read your spoiler removed [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] lol sry

**Aeon** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 08:05 PM

He didn't sense the Demon Brothers, he noticed that the puddle of water was suspicious since it hadn't rained in a couple weeks or days or something to that extent.

Y · Fri, 05-13-2005, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by: Terracosmo

Sorry, I was just laughing at the obvious joke about Haku being stronger than Kakashi.
Because that WAS a joke right? ...right?

Either Haku is stronger than Kakashi or Kakashi is a liar/mistaken. We have two confirmations of Haku being better than jounins.

***Terracosmo*** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 08:10 PM

I just have a hard time believing Naruto could land a punch on Kakashi like he did on Haku, even with the power he used while punching him.

**Mut** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 08:11 PM

This is bullshit. I can't believe there are people who think that Haku can beat Kakashi. I quit the Naruto Anime forum.

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**darkshadow** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by: Aeon
He didn't sense the Demon Brothers, he noticed that the puddle of water was suspicious since it hadn't rained in a couple weeks or days or something to that extent.

yeah i know he did, BUT he also knew they would pose no threat, and he wouldnt just be like hey i c a puddle, they is shitty ninja, naruto and other will be save, he would want to protect team 7 IF i knew some1 was after them (kakashi would die to protect his friends ) so what im GEUSSING, is that he sensed their chakra as being pretty low, and fastfood for him

and terra, naruto kinda like really hurt sasuke's hand went he held him ( it sounded as if it broke), and haku was trying to get away, no way in hell you are going newhere if kyuubi grabs you like that

**darkshadow** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 08:41 PM

sry double post

**XanBcoo** · Fri, 05-13-2005, 09:49 PM

darkshadow, the only things you've said so far about Kakashi and Haku's strength come from times when intuitive reasoning were used.

First you say that Haku is stronger than Kakashi. Yet then you say that Haku didn't sense Kyuubi's chakra, and Kakashi did. Now personally I don't think anyone can "sense" chakra the same was as in, say, DBZ, where they instantly feel or know a person due to their power level bullshit. When there is an explosion of chakra like Kyuubi's however, I think it's impossible not to feel something it. At the very least, they can feel the force of the large, uncontrolled explosion of chakra.

Kakashi knew Haku was strong because he saw him kill zabuza. Other than that, he had no knowledge of haku's strength. Kakashi can read well into a situation, so I'm pretty sure he came up with many ideas about Haku's possible strength.

He didn't know how strong the Demon Brothers were. There was no mention of it whatsoever. I understand your argument for him knowing that, but I think that would have been mentioned if that was the case. It came across pretty obviously that Kakashi thought his way around that situation, and that he didn't have any other knowledge of a supposed "power level".

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