Bleach VS Naruto

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Aramis
i don't like the setting of bleach. could have gotten so much more out of afterlife, but like someone said, in bleach dead people just become immortal and are tossed in some town to hang out in. wtf?
naruto r winnar!

Actually this is incorrect the people in bleach still age just seamingly slower. Also they all need water to survive and it has been stated they can and do kill each other. The whole point in bleach is that there is a balance of souls between soul society and the universe the earth is in. When one dies in either place they end up in the other. When a deathgod kills a hollow it is reborn in soul society as a infant. However if your soul is actually sent by a death god you continue to live out your life until you die one way or another. Those who need to eat are the ones who use spirit energy specifically the death gods or those who train to become one.

This was all explained by horrible drawings done by Rukia.

Note the issue with a Quincy killing a hollow is that the soul is purified and instead of going to soul society it is reborn on earth and thus the birth rate is reduced in soul society.

[Aramis]

okay, kinda forgot about all that.
but i still don't like it and choose naruto [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[complich8]

I thought the quincy hollow-killing issue was that quincys actually destroyed the souls rather than purifying them, thus actually reducing the total number of souls in existence. At least, that's what I got from the anime explanation ... but it's been a while too =D.

[SK]

i would like to formally change my opinion to liking bleach better than naruto. bleach is the shit. seriously.
btw i took it the same way complich.

[Alhuin]

Currently, Bleach and Naruto are tied for me. When one anime's arc starts picking up, I like that one more than the other... but in the end, they both end up tied. I guess the only thing that will decide which one I like better is the ending.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: complich8
I thought the quincy hollow-killing issue was that quincys actually destroyed the souls rather than purifying them, thus actually reducing the total number of souls in existence. At least, that's what I got from the anime explanation ... but it's been a while too =D.

Nope go recheck it the whole reason the balance is disturbed is because all the souls end up on one side causing the bottom half of the hourglass to break from overcrouding while the upperhalf becomes more and more empty. The quincy just destroy the balance they do not destroy the souls.

[Extrax]

Naruto VS Bleach

Well I have to say Naruto
But bleach is only 32 episodes far so it can still go in many directions I think but so far I like where bleach is going

[complich8]

Originally posted by: DDBen
Nope go recheck it the whole reason the balance is disturbed is because all the souls end up on one side causing the bottom half of the hourglass to break from overcrouding while the upperhalf becomes more and more empty. The quincy just destroy the balance they do not destroy the souls.

Not what I'm getting from this section. Maybe you watched a different version that explained it differently, or are a manga reader or something. I dunno.

But the Lunar version has rukia explain at about 4:17 in episode 14
"The Quincys completely destroy hollows. In other words, that means the souls sent to the human world don't come back to Soul Society."

Further, when ol' Sandal-hat was explaining it to Rukia, he explained that the quincys were killing hollows, where the death gods purified them and sent them to soul society.

So, it's not that they were staying there. It's that they were ceasing to exist as a whoie. The break in the bottom half of the hourglass is the quincys destroying them. Unless you can come back with some support for your explanation, I think I'm gonna stick with mine [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img].

[pakman]

I started watching Bleach like 2 weeks ago when a friend recommended it. Ever since, I've been hooked. I have to say Bleach is better than Naruto at the pace it's going right now.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: complich8
Not what I'm getting from this section. Maybe you watched a different version that explained it differently, or are a manga reader or something. I dunno.

But the Lunar version has rukia explain at about 4:17 in episode 14
"The Quincys completely destroy hollows. In other words, that means the souls sent to the human world don't come back to Soul Society."

Further, when ol' Sandal-hat was explaining it to Rukia, he explained that the quincys were killing hollows, where the death gods purified them and sent them to soul society.

So, it's not that they were staying there. It's that they were ceasing to exist as a whoie. The break in the bottom half of the hourglass is the quincys destroying them. Unless you can come back with some support for your explanation, I think I'm gonna stick with mine [img][/img].

First off I do read the manga as well as watch the anime however this note is explained well before the point the manga is at as you said in episode 14. Note I also watch the Lunar version.

Now lets take a look at your quotes.

Quote 1: "The Quincys completely destroy hollows. In other words, that means the souls sent to the human world don't come back to Soul Society."

This states that the Souls are not sent back to Soul Society instead of stating the Soul is actually destroyed.

Quote 2: Further, when ol' Sandal-hat was explaining it to Rukia, he explained that the quincys were killing hollows, where the death gods purified them and sent them to soul society.

This once again states that as opposed to the death gods who purify souls to send them to soul society the quincy's simply destroy the hollow and thus it doesn't go anywhere.

Now look at the image being shown of the hourglass where the bottom of it becomes overfilled and thus begins to crack and souls start to leak out. Also you have the upper section thus draining into the bottom one until it eventually shatters the "balance between the 2 worlds". All of this directly refers to the point that the souls being trapped here as opposed to being sent back to soul society causes a imbalance and shatters the balance. The reason for this is that Soul Society stops recieving more souls and therefore nomore spirits will live there eventually also the ones in Soul Society will eventually end up dying. I'll look up the manga chapter at some point incase the explination is better but I can promise you this is the meaning.

[complich8]

I don't buy it ... but the end result is still the same. IMO, the breaking of the jar and the leaking liquid was a representation of removing souls from the earth/soul society system entirely. If they were still in the system, the shinigami could just go around collecting random excess souls and sending them back to soul society (by, for instance, killing and purifying random people -- something they've demonstrated they're not terribly opposed to doing).

The quincys were removing souls from the cycle, somehow. I personally think it's bull that they were somehow "overflowing the capacity" of the bottom, because it's pretty clear to me that the overall soul capacity of either side would necessarily have to be pretty flexible. IE: The world has like 6.5 billion people now, where a few hundred years ago (when the quincys were causing problems) there were only about 600 million people on earth. Meaning that if the earth is "at capacity" now, with say 7 billion souls (giving a fair bit of time before the natural "breaking the jar" and end of the world, and some wiggle room for hollows to be there), then that means that 200 years ago the quincys would have had to accumulate something on the order of 6.5 billion hollows killed to cause a problem. On the other hand, as a slow destruction of hollows ... say a few hundred a year removed from the system, eventually that'd add up to a lot removed, and cause systematic imbalances. Just like having a pinhole leak in a water tank.

Further, the soul society would still be receiving souls, just not as many as it should. That is to say, everyone born dies, not everyone who dies becomes a hollow, or needs to be sent by a death god. The majority, it seems, return on their own (or there would have to be a whole lot more death gods who are a whole lot more active in the human world than they seem to be).

Regardless, it doesn't really matter. It's all about suspension of disbelief in these things anyway. I mean ... one way or the other, the quincys doing what they were doing was necessarily bringing about the end of existence, and they had to be stopped. We don't really have any sort of route to test our different views, other than looking at the brief section of the anime, and maybe if there's something in the manga that explains it too. So let's aim for heading back on-topic.

[Honoko]

to get back on topic: based on bleach's 30 some-odd eps, to naruto's 130 some-odd eps, i'd say that bleach is everything naruto tries to be. the pacing, the way the characters are handled... bleach just handles all of it a lot more maturely than naruto. i think this is really obvious when you consider how the flashbacks are handled.

don't get me wrong, i enjoy both shows but in terms of handling the material, naruto's production team could learn a thing or two about pacing an episode.

[DarkSasuke]

I say they r both very good just naruto is out longer

[Assertn]

for a while i had been anticipating bleach releases more than naruto releases......
back when ishida showed up...each episode became more and more badass from that point.....more characters with abilities, more crazy visual effects, more power increases....the suspense and anticipation of each episode goes up and up....

then they go to the Soul Society

It pretty much killed it for me at that point...just when things get really good, they go into goofy mode for 5 episodes or whatever. At this point its starting to get back up there, but when people say bleach has better plot pacing than Naruto, I'm alot less inclined to believe them now. Speaking of plot pacing, i havent read the bleach manga myself, but ive been told by someone who has that bleach's creator has no sense of storytelling. Apparently he always spins off into another direction without ever properly concluding the previous arcs.

In any long-running anime series, the thing that interests me the most are the characters themselves. And the sheer quantity of awesome characters in naruto never cease to amuse me (especially the stuff later in the manga). Of course when they dont do anything with all these great characters and focus only on team 7...then it gets boring.

Bleach's characters on the other hand......well...lets just say Ishida doesnt make a good comic-relief character, and the other comic-relief characters (ichigo's dad, that spazzy kid that hangs out with ichigo and chad, etc.) have worn out my interest. In fact.....aside from Ichigo and Chad.....most of the characters in bleach only have personalities that revolve around being stupid or just weird. The creator tries too hard for comedy....which usually works well at first, but gets old fast.

[ChaosK]

i'd say bleach for now...because my idea changes whenever each show gets better, the filler for naruto isnt really cutting it for me right now and bleach just introduced a couple of new likeable characters.

[Assertn]

yeah......it changes alot..........a little while ago it was

1)Naruto
2)Bleach
3)One Piece

now i'd say

1)One Piece
2)Bleach
3)Naruto

in terms of the anime, anyway

[XanBcoo]

I don't think Naruto's length gives it any more weight in comparing the two.

When Naruto was in it's 30's, it had, at least for me, accomplished a whole lot more in terms of emotion and character developement than Bleach has now (the Wave Country arc was killer!!!). Bleach has really good pacing and a cool story with characters I like, but to me it never delivered the punch that Naruto did.

For me, the two are about equal, but only because Bleach is new and the prospect of developing an entirely new Arc and so many characters is really cool. With Naruto, we pretty much know all about the characters that have been introduced now and what they're all about and how powerful they are, etc. This is excluding Akatsuki of course (but that doesn't even matter now, seeing as Naruto is stuck in filler mode for a while we won't even get to see the Akatsuki members). Hopefully when the real story picks back up I can say I enjoy Naruto more.

[Terracosmo]

It changes for me too, back during the conclusion of the previous Naruto arc (Gaara VS Kimimaro and whatnot) I wanted Naruto damn badly, right now I only watch it so I can make fun of the stupid filler afterwards. Bleach, on the other hand, just introduced Shunsui. Do I need to say anything more? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[masamuneehs]

Personally I'm voting for Bleach right now, though it probably has something to do with the fact of how long Naruto has lasted and thus having more times to meet high expectations and failing... I've also lost the curiosity of watching because I no longer find the battles tense, since one thing is quite obvious about every fights outcome...this in a topic relating to two injured ninjas...) And I sometimes feel that the characters have stagnated and some have just been singing the same old tune for way way too long, and I need my characters to react and evolve in order to truly love them. That being said, I love the jutsus and technical & strategic aspects of Naruto more than the "Soul Slayer - Soul Energy' basis of Bleach.

However, Bleach makes me laugh, then bite my nails, then shout for my favorite characaters to kick some ass, and runs the gauntlet with some great musical tracks, some camera angles, backgrounds, details, presentation of camera shots and all sorts of nifty jazz that I just don't see often enough in Naruto. And many of the characters feel so genuine and diverse in Bleach that it makes the distribution of NAruto characters seem too black vs white for me...

just a crazy fool's opinion!

[chubakka]

Bleach....so far for me.....
2 things:

1: Bleach has more funny parts, that remind me of Rurouni Kenshin (my all time fav)...whereas Naruto has a bunch of talking...and use old jokes a lot... aka. Ero-sennin
2: The strategic elements of a battle are definitely in Naruto's favor (they are clever and witty).....however...it doesn't take 4-5 episodes or so to complete 1 battle....or maybe 2 if you're lucky....in Bleach.

That being said. They are both great [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Here's a light-hearted example of the format for a "fighting sequence" in Naruto

1st episode: The two ninja's meet and see each other..and flash their "get ready" poses..
2nd episode: They talk
3rd episode: 1st fighter uses a technique and hurts the other..
4th episode: The second fighter (while getting beaten up) comes up with a brilliant way to defeat this previous technique..and does one move that begins to counter it....the other fighter is startled.
5th episode: The second fighter finally exploits the first fighter's weakness and defeats him. Then he explains all his logic in how he did it. Then they part ways.

heh, probably exaggerated a little bit. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]