HAHA, I liked when Naruto punched Sasuke, I mean when Naruto were NineTails. Sasuke had no chance. But, but, now when he is level two, it's a differense...
In another thread I said that Naruto should be able to use much cakara from the Demonfox, and I had right.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] It's maybe not so wierd to think of that.
Like who din't know that? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]
I finally realized one of the things that has been bothering me about this episode. I don't know if maybe I missed something but it is bothering me that Sasuke is using his Sharingan more like Neji's Byakugan. I mean isn't the Sharingan supposed to be able to copy things as well? Kakashi only has one eye that has it but he apparently became famous as the copy ninja, yet Sasuke has two (both of which now have the third comma) and all he can do is *predict* things? That doesn't really make sense to me.
Perhaps they do a little more with that later on but for now it just kind of bugs that he might as well be as Hyuuga clan member instead of an Uchiha.
(this is my first post since I just started the series about a week ago and for this thread I thought I would contribute a new idea instead of bashing/defending the animation vs art idea)
EDIT: Yes I realize he used it to copy Lee's move earlier on but I am speaking more specifically about this episode
I don't think Sasuke has much to copy. Besides, when you copy a jutsu, you also have to memorize the hand seals since you're just copying the hand movements. Sasuke probably doesn't have that potential, unlike Kakashi.
Ya, I guess there really isn't a whole lot he could copy other than...random pissed off fighting style...I think I would just like it a little better if they had given it a difference other than just *knowing* it could copy things since right now (meaning in this fight) all it is is a crappy Byakugan that doesn't give the user near 360 degree vision.
For instance when Kakashi fights Zabuza he doesn't really memorize the seals Zabuza is doing, he just copies them (as well as the chanting if I remember right) as Zabuza is doing them.
I don't think he had his Sharingan activated when Naruto used them in this fight (they were active when Naruto did the Narutorpedo's but since he wasn't looking at Naruto when that happened it makes sense there), but Sasuke should probably be able to do both the Shadow Replication jutsu as well as Rasengan with as many times as both have been used in his presence.
Oh and on a side note after remembering the Narutorpedos...what was with Sasuke praying all of a sudden? That made very little sense as well.
Overall I thought the episode was good, just that analyzing the weird/bad parts of things is entertaining.
It's been stated that Sharingan only copies Taijitsu, and ninjitsus/genjitsu's that use hand seals. With the kyubi power, theres nothing to "copy" because with out the fox you simply can't do that. Even with the taijitsu that Naruto is using now, even if Sasuke knows HOW to do it, he's incabably because it requires the fox to fight like that. Same with the Rasengan, Jiraya says theres no seals to it, so you can't copy it, its just manipulating chakra with your will.
Even if Naruto were to summon a frog, Sasuke couldn't copy that because he hasn't signed the frog contract, or any other contract, so he can do the move, but nothing would show up.
In fact, pretty much the only move of naruto's that Sasuke hasn't copy, but could have is the Mass Kage Bunshin. And Sasuke probably thinks its not worth using on Naruto, since it never works when Naruto uses it lately.
Well, the thing I got to say is that Sasuke isn't good enough to learn how to copy and illusions and that[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] Haha. Hope Naruto beat him up!
So the Sharingan only copies physical movements? I'm assuming this because of what was said about the hand seals and the rasengan.
I agree, it seems that the Sharingan has become less of a "copy wheel eye" and more of a less-powerful Byakugan that gives the user enhanced vision. But I suppose it's always been that way.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
i still think it would be the coolest thing ever to see sasuke bust out kage bunshin suddenly........
the sharingan is known for its copy abilities, and sasuke never uses it........
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That's what Fuzzlepop was sayin'Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i still think it would be the coolest thing ever to see sasuke bust out kage bunshin suddenly........
the sharingan is known for its copy abilities, and sasuke never uses it........
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<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Unless kakashi gave sasuke some tips during their traing when sasuke learned the ciodori, sasuke has had no else to teach him how to use the sharingam. Just having the ability is not good enough- it will take time and practice o master. I think the sharingan grants supurier observation and mempry skilld- you see things better and more accurately, you can see chakra use and intensity, and you can recall anything youve seen using the sharingam much better than what youve seen not using it. That means for comon jitsus, you can see and remember the hand seals they use and the chakra the chanel to use it, where they "center" the chakra before it is releases ( hands, feet, breathed out, ect...).
It works the same for taijitsu- dont forget taijitsu still uses chakra- focused in the muscles to move faster or directed around you in the form of controling weapons used with the taijitsu of expended to add power and speed to an attack. The sharingan lets you see how the taijitsy user is focusing his chakra and you recall the moves he was making when he was attacking, so all you have to do is repeat those moves and focus your chakra in the same way, and bam, you got a new taijitsu move. Like kakashi said, you still need to train your body to match the moves youve copied, so you often cant just instantly bust out with a new taijistu as fast as you can a ninjitsu, which usualy just require hand seals and chakra focus.
I dont think sasuke has the expirience using the sharingan at this stage of the story to fully exploit its potential, other wise he would have used more copied moves and other taijitsus. It seems to me he is hung up on being a good uchiha ninja- all the moves he uses are the traditional uchiha moves (windmill, katon, sharingan, etc...) the only exceptions we've seen is the chiodori, which even though he was told by kikashi that it should be used sparingly and as his final finishing blow, he tosses it around more than cheep shuriken, and the cursed seal, which all heas really done wth it is use the additional chakra in his normal moves.
Why doesn't Sasuke realize the truth about Naruto's powers? He's all like, "What is this? What are you? Are you a monster?" etc... I mean, besides the fox-shaped chakra surrounding him now, Sasuke saw Naruto do a combo-transform with the frog boss into the form of Nine Tails way back in the assault on Konoha--a pretty big hint. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img] He could at least make some sort of guess relating to the fox.
I still say Sasuke shouldnt be able to walk on water
The animation was great and I agree about the art, it got really simplistic ie when hundreds of Naruto's flew at sasuke out of the water, they didnt have much form to them
I dont like the way Sasuke looked in the end, he looked really feminine and even has lipstick now; it reminds me of all the other adgrogenous(sp) characters in other animes where you dont know the sex at all
The episode flowed really well though in terms of story
Well, you don't generally remember anything from your childhood until you are older so it is pretty unreasonable to think that he would remember the attack. Also the "fox-shaped chakra" only has one tail, nothing like the nine-tails we hear about all the time. Finally since we can assume that he had no memory of the fox's attack why would he even begin to think that he has the fox in him?Originally posted by: KaneDragon
Why doesn't Sasuke realize the truth about Naruto's powers? He's all like, "What is this? What are you? Are you a monster?" etc... I mean, besides the fox-shaped chakra surrounding him now, Sasuke saw Naruto do a combo-transform with the frog boss into the form of Nine Tails way back in the assault on Konoha--a pretty big hint. [img][/img] He could at least make some sort of guess relating to the fox.
The way movies and anime work usually is that the viewer has more information than certain characters. To think the clueless person should do something or realize something when they have no inkling of what is going is asking for huge plot holes.
Water walking wouldn't have been that hard for Naruto even if he hadn't gotten his chakara flow screwed up by Orochimaru. I agree that it was an interesting leap but it isn't that bad and not a large deal.I still say Sasuke shouldnt be able to walk on water
I agree about the Sasuke thing lol, we know he is a guy. It just looks like he is getting ready for extra curricular work at Oro's place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: Natural Cause
I'll believe you when im able to read the credits and see for myself. Or unless they said they use different animators. But what ever floats your boat. You didnt understand my post.Originally posted by: hopeknight
Have you noticed that there are several different animation teams handling the show?
The animation team names are always in English in the credits. Nara Animation did 133.
Um... what the heck are you talking about? Childhood? Fox attack? Read closer, n00b. I'm talking about when Naruto transformed to the form of Nine Tails while fighting Gaara's sand demon during Orochimaru's attack on Konoha (since when did Naruto and the Boss Frog do a combo-transform during Nine Tails's original rampage? idiot.). It wasn't that long ago. And "nothing like the ninetails"? The chakra looks foxy. It doesn't have to look just like Nine Tails. The similarities should allow someone to connect the dots.Originally posted by: Jessper
Well, you don't generally remember anything from your childhood until you are older so it is pretty unreasonable to think that he would remember the attack. Also the "fox-shaped chakra" only has one tail, nothing like the nine-tails we hear about all the time. Finally since we can assume that he had no memory of the fox's attack why would he even begin to think that he has the fox in him?
The way movies and anime work usually is that the viewer has more information than certain characters. To think the clueless person should do something or realize something when they have no inkling of what is going is asking for huge plot holes.
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uh... did you guys forget that no kids knows that naruto has fox in him.. and when ppl fought the fox.. well all of the kids were babies. (since naruto was a baby when he got kyubi sealed inside him.. so of course sasuke has no idea..
and i don't even know if kids know about the nine tailed fox at all.....
and sasuke won't be able to do mass kage bushin.. regular one yes.. but mass kagebushin is only because naruto has huge kyubi chakra..
and like peple said.. sasuke can't copy rasengan.. and it's useless to copy naruto's movement when he is just punchinb and kicking..
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but sasuke can copy things.. he just don't really need/can't really do it to fight naruto..
Well miaka seems to have taken care of it for me but thanks for trying, idiot. The only memory of the nine tails that sasuke has looks like a random Henge, there is no way logic would allow a connection to what he knows and what you think he should know.Originally posted by: KaneDragon
Um... what the heck are you talking about? Childhood? Fox attack? Read closer, n00b. I'm talking about when Naruto transformed to the form of Nine Tails while fighting Gaara's sand demon during Orochimaru's attack on Konoha (since when did Naruto and the Boss Frog do a combo-transform during Nine Tails's original rampage? idiot.). It wasn't that long ago. And "nothing like the ninetails"? The chakra looks foxy. It doesn't have to look just like Nine Tails. The similarities should allow someone to connect the dots.
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No spoilers, idiot.
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i could be wrong, but i don't know if the sole purpose of sharingan is to copy other people's techniques... similar to what's already been said, it's probably grants a huge sense of insight. i think that we haven't really been told a whole lot about what sharingan really does besides that.
i think most people think it's for just copying shit is because kakashi does it really well. i also think that that's just the way he chooses to use it, like, he has an incredible amount of insight on his opponent and just chooses to copy their stuff, hence deeming him the famous copy ninja. i don't think that uchiha was called a copy ninja clan or anything...
anyway i don't know for sure but i think the reason why he doesn't copy a lot is because he doesn't really choose to use it in that sort of way. like i'm sure it's because he's not experienced enough but its probably more than that.
iono watever
greateachermin,
...wtf. You think that's not a spoiler for the next episode just b/c you saw the preview?!?!
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