Gundam Battle

[Terracosmo]

Mut, if you thought THAT post of his was annoying, try sticking around for the ep discussions. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
That's one of the dumbest responses ever. ALL super cannon blasters in every gundam series has the exact same effect. One shot can decimate everything and anything that is 500 yards in the radius of the beam.

The blaster takes around 5 seconds to charge you idiot. That alone gives the Freedom enough time to fly up and cut him with his sword or just shoot the hell out of him. And if he did get the chance to fire it, then its obvious its not gonna hit him dead on which leaves the radius part but can it affect the Freedom with his phase shift armor? Speed and agility can win over strenght which in the case of the freedom, it has both.


So whats your reply Mut@t@? You seem to be losing the argument. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[XwingRob]

Yeah, I'll have to agree with Deblas...


Edit: Hey where there ever any other Gundams that had as much or more than the Freedom in terms of firepower?
I've only watched Gundam Wing and SEED.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
That's one of the dumbest responses ever. ALL super cannon blasters in every gundam series has the exact same effect. One shot can decimate everything and anything that is 500 yards in the radius of the beam.

The blaster takes around 5 seconds to charge you idiot. That alone gives the Freedom enough time to fly up and cut him with his sword or just shoot the hell out of him. And if he did get the chance to fire it, then its obvious its not gonna hit him dead on which leaves the radius part but can it affect the Freedom with his phase shift armor? Speed and agility can win over strenght which in the case of the freedom, it has both.


So whats your reply Mut@t@? You seem to be losing the argument. [img][/img]

Wait, since when did it come down to setting up an unfair scenario? How do we know that Heero is just gonna go straight for his most powerful attack right off the bat? What a dumb way to think. Try to be unbias when you set up such scenario next time. Idiot.

[Rik]

I agree with Mutata. Heero won't use his trump card as the first thing. He will probably start things off close combat using a beam sword. That way he can keep Freedom in close range not allowing Freedom to use his 5 blaster thingy. This can put Freedom in a tight spot. By the way, I think Wing Zero is just as fast as Freedom, or even faster.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
That's one of the dumbest responses ever. ALL super cannon blasters in every gundam series has the exact same effect. One shot can decimate everything and anything that is 500 yards in the radius of the beam.

The blaster takes around 5 seconds to charge you idiot. That alone gives the Freedom enough time to fly up and cut him with his sword or just shoot the hell out of him. And if he did get the chance to fire it, then its obvious its not gonna hit him dead on which leaves the radius part but can it affect the Freedom with his phase shift armor? Speed and agility can win over strenght which in the case of the freedom, it has both.


So whats your reply Mut@t@? You seem to be losing the argument.

Wait, since when did it come down to setting up an unfair scenario? How do we know that Heero is just gonna go straight for his most powerful attack right off the bat? What a dumb way to think. Try to be unbias when you set up such scenario next time. Idiot.

Your right. So lets go through this step by step. I like Owning you.

Wing zero custom arsenal include two small machine guns in his shoulders, a sword, and the blaster. Now, you tell me if machine guns affect phase shift, No. Will he be able to compete against Kira with a sword? while Kira has a shield, seed mode, and speed while the custom does not, although he might never even get to reach the freedom in time for close combat cause of the freedom's clearly superior arsenal, so No. So that gives him his last resort which is the blaster in which I already explained it in my last post.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Deblas
Your right. So lets go through this step by step. I like Owning you.

Wing zero custom arsenal include two small machine guns in his shoulders, a sword, and the blaster. Now, you tell me if machine guns affect phase shift, No. Will he be able to compete against Kira with a sword? while Kira has a shield, seed mode, and speed while the custom does not, although he might never even get to reach the freedom in time for close combat cause of the freedom's clearly superior arsenal, so No. So that gives him his last resort which is the blaster in which I already explained it in my last post.

No, you're wrong. Heero's gundam has the zero system, clearly more superior than the lame system Kira's gundam operates on. But Kira has SEED mode, which is for pussies I might add. Granted SEED does give you hightened reactions times, it has nothing on the zero systems ability to predict the next moves. Kinda like... mmm I don't know, the sharingan? Fast reaction time isn't going to work against someone who is already steps ahead of you. Kira's toy does have more weapons, but it all depends on who is piloting it. What's the point of having 40 plasma blasters if the opponent is a better fighter than you are? Kira's extra weaponry is clearly there to make up for the shitty piloting.

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Mut, if you thought THAT post of his was annoying, try sticking around for the ep discussions. [img][/img]

It's actually one of the reasons why I don't join serious discussions in here. Some people's Gundam e-cocks are clearly way bigger than others and they need to make sure everyone is aware.

[Deblas]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Deblas
Your right. So lets go through this step by step. I like Owning you.

Wing zero custom arsenal include two small machine guns in his shoulders, a sword, and the blaster. Now, you tell me if machine guns affect phase shift, No. Will he be able to compete against Kira with a sword? while Kira has a shield, seed mode, and speed while the custom does not, although he might never even get to reach the freedom in time for close combat cause of the freedom's clearly superior arsenal, so No. So that gives him his last resort which is the blaster in which I already explained it in my last post.

But Kira has SEED mode, which is for pussies
Kira's extra weaponry is clearly there to make up for the shitty piloting.[quote]


hehe. So your saying that the seed is for pussies but the zero system which enhances his abilities as well is not? And that the extra weaponry of the freedom is making up for kira's shitty piloting? So you know, the weaponry doesn't matter but is the one who pilots it and how he uses it that matter. And that Kira is a bad pilot? Tell that to all the people he owned which I might add he just disabled the pilots. Not disintegrate them with a huge blaster like some units I know of.

The thing that I quoted from you. That already tells me that you can't think of anything else to counter me. You are now resulting to comments that really doesn't have anything to do with winning a battle or why he is better.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Deblas
hehe. So your saying that the seed is for pussies but the zero system which enhances his abilities as well is not? And that the extra weaponry of the freedom is making up for kira's shitty piloting?

Yes. Yes.

So you know, the weaponry doesn't matter but is the one who pilots it and how he uses it that matter. And that Kira is a bad pilot?

Yes, compared to Heero.

Tell that to all the people he owned...

Sure, you got it.

The thing that I quoted from you. That already tells me that you can't think of anything else to counter me. You are now resulting to comments that really doesn't have anything to do with winning a battle or why he is better.

What are you talking about? I countered everything you said. You started babbling on about Kira's toy's weaponry, then I said 'who cares about the crap he has, Heero is a better pilot with a superior gundam system.'

Here is an example:
You and I are given the same test, a math test. You are given bunch of crap like calculators, text books, answer books, personal tutor, and whatnot. I'm just given a pencil and an eraser. We both take the same test, but I end up receiving a much, much better grade than you do. Do you know why? It's cuz I'm just a better and smarter test taker/student. You can't possibly compete with your Puerto Rican education.

[Y]

God Gundam easily destroys everything.

Or the one from Z that (while powered up by all kinds of bullshit) took a fleet out by itself.

[XwingRob]

Oh wait, I found the most powerful Gundam.
Called the "4Kids Gundam" it's awsome arsenal of Dubbing and Editing Ray Guns turns all of its enemies to shit.

Haha, I'm so witty.

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
That's one of the dumbest responses ever. ALL super cannon blasters in every gundam series has the exact same effect. One shot can decimate everything and anything that is 500 yards in the radius of the beam.

The blaster takes around 5 seconds to charge you idiot. That alone gives the Freedom enough time to fly up and cut him with his sword or just shoot the hell out of him. And if he did get the chance to fire it, then its obvious its not gonna hit him dead on which leaves the radius part but can it affect the Freedom with his phase shift armor? Speed and agility can win over strenght which in the case of the freedom, it has both.


So whats your reply Mut@t@? You seem to be losing the argument. [img][/img]

freedom does not have PS armor...it has TS armor
and PS armor only blocks physical attacks...not beam attacks

[Curium]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C
freedom does not have PS armor...it has TS armor
and PS armor only blocks physical attacks...not beam attacks

Acctually Freedom does have Phase Shift. The only ones with the Trans-Phase Shift armor were Forbidden, Calamity, and Raider. The Trans-Phase was designed so it wouldn't need as much power as the regular PS armor. With Freedom and Justice it wasn't necessary since the nuclear power supply wasn't going to run out on them. Also, They were based on the 4 stolen gundams, at the time ZAFT built them they Trans-Phase hadn't been introduced into combat yet and ZAFT probably didn't know about it yet. In fact they still may not. Why would they build their newer models with regular Phase Shift since they don't have Nuclear reactors so conserving power would be useful.

[Deblas]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Deblas
hehe. So your saying that the seed is for pussies but the zero system which enhances his abilities as well is not? And that the extra weaponry of the freedom is making up for kira's shitty piloting?

Yes. Yes.

So you know, the weaponry doesn't matter but is the one who pilots it and how he uses it that matter. And that Kira is a bad pilot?

Yes, compared to Heero.

Tell that to all the people he owned...

Sure, you got it.

Here is an example:
You and I are given the same test, a math test. You are given bunch of crap like calculators, text books, answer books, personal tutor, and whatnot. I'm just given a pencil and an eraser. We both take the same test, but I end up receiving a much, much better grade than you do. Do you know why? It's cuz I'm just a better and smarter test taker/student. You can't possibly compete with your Puerto Rican education.

I didn't think you would go as low as to saying that Puerto Rico is inferior to America. True, We are small, but its not right for you to say that. Even though were small we still have everything that America has except some fast foods and stores but we managed to make our own and they are pretty succesful. Its stereotyping and racism. You once said you never insulted a persons nationality or family. What you just said its just plain wrong, even for you.

[Psyke]

Like many other things in life, it's just not fair to compare Gundams from different series. In the end, there will be no outcome from this discussion, and we should realise that sooner. Everyone has a different winner in their heart, a Kira lover will always have Freedom destroy Zero in his mind, and a Heero lover will always feel that Freedom is second class compared to Zero.

Does it really matter people? No matter how hard you try, how many Gundam jargon you use here nothing's gonna change at the end of the day. Just leave things as it is: different people have different taste/likings/perspectives.

Just my 2 cents.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Psyke
Like many other things in life, it's just not fair to compare Gundams from different series. In the end, there will be no outcome from this discussion, and we should realise that sooner. Everyone has a different winner in their heart, a Kira lover will always have Freedom destroy Zero in his mind, and a Heero lover will always feel that Freedom is second class compared to Zero.

Does it really matter people? No matter how hard you try, how many Gundam jargon you use here nothing's gonna change at the end of the day. Just leave things as it is: different people have different taste/likings/perspectives.

Just my 2 cents.

Guess your right Ghandi. And I'm also tired of discussing with a racist.Though I think I'll give a last statement.

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

quote:

No, you're wrong. Heero's gundam has the zero system, clearly more superior than the lame system Kira's gundam operates on. But Kira has SEED mode, which is for pussies I might add. Granted SEED does give you hightened reactions times, it has nothing on the zero systems ability to predict the next moves. Kinda like... mmm I don't know, the sharingan? Fast reaction time isn't going to work against someone who is already steps ahead of you. Kira's toy does have more weapons, but it all depends on who is piloting it. What's the point of having 40 plasma blasters if the opponent is a better fighter than you are? Kira's extra weaponry is clearly there to make up for the shitty piloting.


What the hell don't you understand. Are you really that dense? Although the zero has the zero system he will only be able to use as a defensive, not offensive cause if the freedom attacks then he will predict it and dodge it. When zero attacks, the freedom with his superior reflexes, would dodge it. So he could go with his best attack. the BLASTER, which is limited! and if he uses the blaster then the freedom will own him. If he doesn't then we won't be able to determine who wins cause they will just keep dodging each other. So Im gonna finish this by saying that the Freedom will win. Why? cause I want to. Like you want the zero to win. But your an asshole racist, so no one cares about your opinion.

[Mut]

Argument won. Deblas pissed. Mission accomplished.

[Kirakun]

Originally posted by: Curium

Originally posted by: PTX-003C
freedom does not have PS armor...it has TS armor
and PS armor only blocks physical attacks...not beam attacks

Acctually Freedom does have Phase Shift. The only ones with the Trans-Phase Shift armor were Forbidden, Calamity, and Raider. The Trans-Phase was designed so it wouldn't need as much power as the regular PS armor. With Freedom and Justice it wasn't necessary since the nuclear power supply wasn't going to run out on them. Also, They were based on the 4 stolen gundams, at the time ZAFT built them they Trans-Phase hadn't been introduced into combat yet and ZAFT probably didn't know about it yet. In fact they still may not. Why would they build their newer models with regular Phase Shift since they don't have Nuclear reactors so conserving power would be useful.

OWNED!! Looks like teh fanboy doesn't know everything. Btw I'm gonna have to go with either Freedom or the DX. Until I see something from Super Freedom....and I know it's gonna change my vote....I'll go with those two.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Well then how about this. Since it is obviously not known weather two superior gundams from a different series would win a battle how about this. Take both Heero and Kira and put them in different less powerful mobile suits or even better stick them in the same type of suit. This would be completely more fair than freedom vs wing zero custom.

And anyways if it were really freedom vs zero Kira would own Heero seeing as Kira could just equip the Meteor unit to his gundam. I mean come on. The zero system can only go so far and Heero's ability as a pilot isn't so far advanced to allow him to dodge each and every of the 50+ shots that come at him. In the show Kira used it to blow up nukes and disable suits. He never even tried to aim it all at just one suit if I remember correctly. And even while he is firing this mass arsenal the 4 beam weapons on the Freedom are fired also. I am also pretty sure that this is a fight to the death so Kira would be in kill seed mode. Further more in the fight with Providence Kira somehow by a miracle managed for a time to keep the dozens of beams from its 11 artillery cannons from even touching the freedom and the meteor while reflecting some of them with his two gigantic light sabers(like a Jedi reflects Blaster shots). And with the Meteor equipped he should have superior flight capabilities. I also assume that this battle would be in space. If this was a fight to the death and they were both in kill mode Heero and Zero would get schooled. Kira is already his own freaking army with Freedom alone. With the Meteor he could probably take on the world if he wanted. The only pilot I see even coming close to being able to defeat Kira is Athrun. Weather if you're a Kira-fan or a Heero-fan I have provided the facts right here. Even if you want Heero to live that is completely irrelivant (people wanted Heine to live but that didn't stop him from dying).

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Argument won. Deblas pissed. Mission accomplished.

Actually if you don't contradict me now, Then you lost. But I can understand if you can't think of anything else to say. I woudn't expect more from a barber trainee who can't even afford to leave a fan turned on at night. Ohh well. Guess some people are born to fail. Its a good thing I'm getting a Puertorican education. Just being bilingual gives me an advantage.

Now then, Like I said last time:

What the hell don't you understand. Are you really that dense? Although the zero has the zero system he will only be able to use as a defensive, not offensive cause if the freedom attacks then he will predict it and dodge it. When zero attacks, the freedom with his superior reflexes, would dodge it. So he could go with his best attack. the BLASTER, which is limited! and if he uses the blaster then the freedom will own him. If he doesn't then we won't be able to determine who wins cause they will just keep dodging each other. So Im gonna finish this by saying that the Freedom will win. Why? cause I want to. Like you want the zero to win. But your an asshole racist, so no one cares about your opinion.


Contradict me.