how could you possibly know if kakashi has developed his sharingan, no info on how kakashi got his sharingan has been released yet
how could you possibly know if kakashi has developed his sharingan, no info on how kakashi got his sharingan has been released yet
I believe it. I've yet to really see an "up-beat" or "cheerful" comment from you or Y.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
*reads the 5 posts above Y's.*
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This is exactly why I hate people.
Anyways, the question with Kakashi sorta depends on when he got his Sharingan. If he got his Sharingan any time after the Clan was destroyed, we know it has to be from this third mysterious Mangekyou user. That's doubtful however. It's also doubtful that his Sharingan could ever improve, I mean it's not his, his body wasn't made for it. I can stick antenas into my forhead...doesn't mean I'll work them like an ant (not the best comparison). So yeah, Kakashi isn't going to be the 3rd person. And what the fuck? Oro being the third one? How stupid, I mean really stupid. Then only thing we could probably assume is that this '3rd Mangekyou' user can probably kick Itachi's ass. The reason: Itachi knows who it is, and they're not dead. I doubt another Mangekyou user would be "not worth killing."
Ok, so I think its a person yet to be introduced. Why? Because the writers bothered to mention that the person existed. Also, Kakashi might not be the only non Uchiha with a sharingan, His was taken from a dead Sharingan user, and, there is no reason that someone else couldn't have aquired it as well. Thats my opinion.
The person who really wiped out the Uchiha clan
I still dont believe Itachi did it
lol Sorry bout that, it was late and i hadnt had much sleep. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] I officially withdraw my previous statement from the record!
What the hell gives everyone the idea that he's dead?!?!
Sasuke's dad said "In the long history of Uchiha, it is a legendary doujutsu which has appeared in only a few."
Meaning that in the long Uchiha history, there has been more than one person to get it.
Now Itach has it, Sasuke can get it. That makes two. Now if your counting dead people, thats more than 3. That can only mean that Itachi was talking about living people because there are more than three total if it includes dead guys.
So yeah, we know he's alive. If you don't get it, please die.
You have no solid proof of anything here Sam. Itachi and his dad seemed to contradict each other in what they said, that does not make your guess correct. I believe that the person is alive, however it is wrong to try and refute all the other theories with inconclusive "proof".Originally posted by: Sam98034
So yeah, we know he's alive. If you don't get it, please die.
Hey, has anyone watched the Naruto movie about the Snow Princess yet? Did anyone see what Kakashi did?
What the hell are you talking about.Originally posted by: Jessper
You have no solid proof of anything here Sam. Itachi and his dad seemed to contradict each other in what they said, that does not make your guess correct. I believe that the person is alive, however it is wrong to try and refute all the other theories with inconclusive "proof".Originally posted by: Sam98034
So yeah, we know he's alive. If you don't get it, please die.
Ok, Their dad said a few people have gotten Mangekyou sharingan in its long history. Few is more than 1. So, there have been 2 or more people in its long history that have had Mangekyou, otherwise his dad would have said "has appeared in only one." With Itachi that makes atleast 3. If Sasuke can get it, that would mean ATLEAST 4 that have ever had it. That would contradict Itachi saying that including Sasuke 3 people will have it, if he was including dead people as well. If Itachi was including dead people, he would have said 4 or more. So this third person is alive.
And what the hell are you talking about Itachi and his dad seemed to contradict eachother?!?! Who the fuck said that? How exactly are they contradicting eachother? What would give us that idea? If we assumed this person was dead, we also have to assume that Sasuke's dad had no clue what he was talking about because Itachi would be the second person to EVER get Mangekyou. While we're doing that, lets just assume everyone else doesn't really knows what they're talking about. And what's this about proof? This is a cartoon not a courtroom. For all we know it ends with an 8 year old girl waking up with a bad dream, so none of it would be true at all. We have to assume that what people say are actually true, it would be stupid for someone to lie about something like that anyway. And please don't take anything out of context.
Few is 3 or more, couple is 2. On top of that how do we know that the translation comes perfectly across?Originally posted by: Sam98034
What the hell are you talking about.
Ok, Their dad said a few people have gotten Mangekyou sharingan in its long history. Few is more than 1. So, there have been 2 or more people in its long history that have had Mangekyou, otherwise his dad would have said "has appeared in only one."
Did he say Itachi didn't have it? Perhaps he knew?
Itachi's father said that a few people have gotten it right? Well if Itachi's statement included dead people(which it sounds like it does) then there could have only been 1 person in the past, thus contradicting what his father said ( assuming few is more than 1).And what the hell are you talking about Itachi and his dad seemed to contradict eachother?!?! Who the fuck said that? How exactly are they contradicting eachother? What would give us that idea?
And what's this about proof? This is a cartoon not a courtroom. For all we know it ends with an 8 year old girl waking up with a bad dream, so none of it would be true at all. We have to assume that what people say are actually true, it would be stupid for someone to lie about something like that anyway. And please don't take anything out of context.
Regardless of what happens in the end, we can have proof given the current context to give at least a little more credibility to our statements.
Also, I'm not trying to be hostel here and I hope your not getting that impression.
the third mangekyou one is the leader of akatsuki (or what...that gang itachi is in). it's a character not yet introduced. i think so because:
- sasuke/itachi father said in a flashback that some uchica long ago managed to activate it.
[one of them is probably the leader.]
- orochimaru was in akatsuki for a while.
[the leader would be very old, must have kept him/herself alive with "immortality" jutsus. oro joined to learn about those.]
- itachi somehow learned the secret of mangekyou.
[surely his father wouldn't have told him it, that leader did.]
very predictable
So your argument is based on the chance that the translation is wrong. Wow! I mean, I can use that argument for anything. "Well not so fast there, what if the translation is wrong? That might not be true" "No, I read Japanese, that's what the original says" "Well not so fast there, what if the writers accidently screwed up" "...."Few is 3 or more, couple is 2. On top of that how do we know that the translation comes perfectly across?
Did he say Itachi didn't have it? Perhaps he knew?
Just go ahead and assume that people can translate "three" and "few" correctly please? I mean, without that your theory of him being dead has no real basis either. Itachi could have said "I am the only man to get Mangekyou, no other before me" And Sasuke's dad could have said "Wtf?!? other sharingan?? You crazy Sasuke, whatchu talkin' 'bout." Who knows, but lets just assume its pretty accurate.
If this third user is alive, they wouldn't be contradicting eachother. That's my point. Why would they have to contradict eachother?
Itachi's father said that a few people have gotten it right? Well if Itachi's statement included dead people(which it sounds like it does) then there could have only been 1 person in the past, thus contradicting what his father said ( assuming few is more than 1).
For all I know you're right about the third user being dead. You may have read the Manga, and know that he is in fact dead. However, right now, at this point in the story, we have to believe he is not dead because of the context. My "proof" is not real proof. All I am saying is that if this third user is dead, Sasuke's dad and Itachi contradict eachother. Im just presuming that the story wouldn't contradict itself, that's all.
Regardless of what happens in the end, we can have proof given the current context to give at least a little more credibility to our statements.
Also, I'm not trying to be hostel here and I hope your not getting that impression.
Basically, when Itachi said "three" he meant three living people, and there's a small chance he could have included dead people. But if we refer to what his father said, then we can ascertain the latter is not true.
And I'm not really trying to be hostel either, I'm just confused and dumbfounded that you're still hanging onto your theory based on the fact that the translation could be wrong, or that the characters are contradicting eachother, when there is a perfectly logical explanation where they don't. *whoops nevermind, didn't read your last part, you think he's alive as well [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]*
captain jackass, i think you are misinterpretting what we mean by a dead dude. Remeber how Oro raised the dead hokages, we know he can do crasy stuff like that. Now supose that there have in fact been several Mangekyo Sharringan users in teh long Uchiha history, but besides Itachi all died. But before Itachi went completely bat shit and killed his clan Oro had revived one of the several dead users and lost control of him. Making 2 current users, /w Sasuke as a potential.Originally posted by: Sam98034
What the hell gives everyone the idea that he's dead?!?!
Sasuke's dad said "In the long history of Uchiha, it is a legendary doujutsu which has appeared in only a few."
Meaning that in the long Uchiha history, there has been more than one person to get it.
Now Itach has it, Sasuke can get it. That makes two. Now if your counting dead people, thats more than 3. That can only mean that Itachi was talking about living people because there are more than three total if it includes dead guys.
So yeah, we know he's alive. If you don't get it, please die.
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its Neji, im a mangareader, i know.
I think it's a past guy, perhaps an ancestor of Itachi. I'm guessing the person who told Itachi, because I doubt Itachi would check under rugs in a secret room for entertainment. Whoever this person is, he or she will be introduced eventually.
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Am I suppose to be captain jackass? If you want to say something you don't have to start by insulting me you piece of shit.Originally posted by: Cal_kashi
captain jackass, i think you are misinterpretting what we mean by a dead dude. Remeber how Oro raised the dead hokages, we know he can do crasy stuff like that. Now supose that there have in fact been several Mangekyo Sharringan users in teh long Uchiha history, but besides Itachi all died. But before Itachi went completely bat shit and killed his clan Oro had revived one of the several dead users and lost control of him. Making 2 current users, /w Sasuke as a potential.Originally posted by: Sam98034
What the hell gives everyone the idea that he's dead?!?!
Sasuke's dad said "In the long history of Uchiha, it is a legendary doujutsu which has appeared in only a few."
Meaning that in the long Uchiha history, there has been more than one person to get it.
Now Itach has it, Sasuke can get it. That makes two. Now if your counting dead people, thats more than 3. That can only mean that Itachi was talking about living people because there are more than three total if it includes dead guys.
So yeah, we know he's alive. If you don't get it, please die.
Anyways, misinterpreting what everyone means by dead??
"Itachi and Saskue are the last of there clan. The 1st person to activate it must have been there long ago since we was recored in the written stuff under the board. I would assume he is just dead."
" Wow does everyone think that it is someone living? Maybe it could be someone dead? Yes? Come on people."
"Reason would assume that the said 3rd person is most likely gone already, i.e. not alive."
"I personally agree with whoever suggested this third user might be dead."
I think it's pretty clear what everyone means by dead...DEAD. Cal, yours was the only post that really talked about the un-dead. Your idea is fine to and I respect it. Sorry for calling you a POS, just showing you what it feels like being insulted at the begining, then trying to read things in the right tone.
im quite aware of what it feels like to be insulted, thank you very much, captain jackass wsa the result of the tone of insolense that seemed to eminate from your previous several posts, had nothing to do with your opinions themselves.
Edit: I do apologize if you did not intend to seem so agressively argumentative in you rposts.
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That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that perhaps the word the Japanese said meant 4 or more, where as our closest equivalent is 3 or more. Plus, that wasn't even my argument, just an idea to toss in the pile. You didn't touch on my real argument oddly enough.
So your argument is based on the chance that the translation is wrong. Wow! I mean, I can use that argument for anything. "Well not so fast there, what if the translation is wrong? That might not be true" "No, I read Japanese, that's what the original says" "Well not so fast there, what if the writers accidently screwed up" "...."
What I'm saying is that if Itachi's dad said there is only a few that have been able to use it (assuming 3 or more) and he did not know about Itachi being able to use it then Itachi's statement of Sasuke being the third person to be able to use it (ever? It's hard to tell) would contradict his father's statement of at least 3 being known to be able to use it already. I understand that you take Itachi's statement to mean Sasuke will be the third person to be able to activate it, currently. However this assumes that he was not talking about the past to fit your want for the statements to not contradict. I think that is a little overzealous and I wouldn't assume everyone is always correct in the anime as they have been wrong before.
If this third user is alive, they wouldn't be contradicting eachother. That's my point. Why would they have to contradict eachother?
For the record I do not read the manga, also I'm not trying to play devil's advocate and argue the side I don't agree with but rather the reasoning used to come to conclusions. Especially when a view is declared as the only possible solution.
Aramis-
Why would Orochimaru do that when Oro created his own immortality jutsu? I would guess that he did not join Akatsuki until after he left Konoha which did not happen until he was caught creating his immortality technique. Or so it would seem from what we have been told so far.
- orochimaru was in akatsuki for a while.
[the leader would be very old, must have kept him/herself alive with "immortality" jutsus. oro joined to learn about those.]
ill stop arguing, don't really care anymore. I'm an idiot, I didn't think you understood what I was saying. I don't really care whose right.
=( I didn't mean this to be an argument but rather a discussion of ideas and how you came to them. To broden our horizons and try and understand why something might happen another way as well.Originally posted by: Sam98034
ill stop arguing, don't really care anymore. I'm an idiot, I didn't think you understood what I was saying. I don't really care whose right.
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