3rd mangekyou Person

[Zinobi]

that doesnt make sense though im so confused

why isnt anyone posting here?

[Board of Command]

I think the 3rd Mangekyou is Kakashi. Now, before I put on the flame coat, let me state a few points.

1. Kakashi might really be an Uchiha, but was exiled when he discovered the sharingan because he only had it in one eye, which is a deformity. The Uchiha clan exiled him when he was very young, probably around 5-6 years old since he passed Chuunin exam when he was 8 (?). He then changed his name to Hatake to cut all links from the Uchiha clan.

2. He did say that his best friend was killed, but never said who killed him. For all we know, Kakashi might have killed him to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan in order to prove that one eye is enough power. He might have planned revenge against the clan, but since Itachi already killed the entire clan, Kakashi regrets his actions now, which is why he's always visiting his friend's grave.

3. Kakashi knows that Sasuke will try to kill Naruto in order to obtain Mangekyou, which is why he's so desperate to stop him from making the same mistake.

Feel free to pick this theory apart.

[Zinobi]

you know your stuff but wht about ppl sayin that he took it from some guy

[Xein]

So what happened when he fought Itachi?

[Sam98034]

I actually mae a post about that earlier...that Kakashi's friend died because Kakashi killed him trying to get the Mangekyou sharingan. But I was only kidding. It's a valid theory and everything. But it is very unlikely since when Itachi was fighting him, didn't he say something about Kakashi never being able to beat him because he was not a true Uchiha and could not get his eyes?

[Werder]

It may be a possibility that Itachi (who is much younger than Kakashi, right?) doesn't know about Kakashi's past, if what Board of Command suggested was right- and perhaps Kakashi couldn't use M Sharingan in that fight because he has only one eye and therefore can't do it while having kage bunshins at the same time (he was fighting Kisame at the same time, wasn't he?) because of chakra use, ie, he needs to be totaly focussed to use M Sharingan...
Well, BoC's theory is sound, if a little far-fetched perhaps, but if Kakashi was a deformed Uchiha, it might explain why he's a genius since it seems the Uchihas produce a lot.
Oh yeah, and can anyone answer this, I know it may sound stupid but bear with me: If you are part of a clan, could that include several families, so you may be X -san, but part of the Y Clan?
Its just something I want to clear up in my head.

I would also like to add that though I'm supporting BoC's theory here, its for discussion purposes only. I don't actually agree that it's Kakashi, I think its a third guy we haven't been introduced to yet, who is alive (Sam you argued it very well)

[Sam98034]

I think the clan is kinda like a village. Like different villages in the Konoha state or something. I mean, I guess some techniques are taugth in the village, and some are genetic traits throughout that village. Ionno, if Sakura and Sasuke had a kid...would it be able to get Sharingan? It might be a genetic trait passed down by the male?female? If it was male, I'm assuming that Sakura would have to live with the Uchiha's in tha clan and their son wouold be one. Who knows, pointless trying to figure it out. I'm guessing clan = village, but what do i know, im an idiot.

[Darkcarnage]

seems to me clan does not = village it more like village = many clans and familes groups

there the huyuga, uchia clans in leaf vilalge alone and like more that really not named (or if ti was i forgot right now) i knwo fo those 2 for sure cuase they showed the uchia flash back many poeple of that chan and the huyuga had a large number of poeple as well

as how it passed on teh gene lvl i have 0 clue mgiht be just a odd end gene only they get or might be tied to x y ones*shrug* bring my a body and i'll find out ;-)

[Terracosmo]

The sheer thought of Kakashi killing his best friend is so funny that it made me close down the window by mistake the first time I read it.

[Assertn]

orochimaru also said to kakashi
"You didnt always have that.......that eye.......I want it too"

which makes it unlikely that kakashi already had the sharingan practically all his life

[Edort4]

I had the same reaction terracosmo. Kakashi was an uchiha and no one knows it in the village, he left uchiha clan because of his deformity and none did anything (these clans are capable of killing their own members to prevent their bloodlines to fall in enemy hands, and they just let a sharingan guy to run away from the clan and live on his own...50 meters away).

Of course kakashi hides his eye because of his childhood trauma, created by his deformity, thats why he made a quite big scar in his sharingan eye, and hides it, and every time he opens that eye is in sharingan, that is also part of the trauma, he cant un-sharingan his own eye.

Also its said that is true that he gets tired by using sharingan because he hasnt uchiha blood(he always ends exhausted after using sharingan), this must be from that trauma again, that he consciusly forgot his uchiha past. He left uchiha clan at the age of 5-6 but at that age he already knew about mangekyou and how to obtain it, he killed his friend and no one cared about the strange death of his friend, when he is an uchiha (so.. able of getting mangekyou by the way of killing your best friend, this isnt suspicious at all).

Why didnt he use it against itachi¿? He liked to be tortured almost to death, maybe, he couldnt use mangekyou because of chakra needed to it... he has bad time with the 3 comas sharingan.. with mangekyou... but oh well he can use mangekyou but only when his chakra is full and concentrates, then some genins come, look at his feet throws a lot of kunai and kills him because he runned out of chakra and couldnt mold any to move fast... what a great jutsu!! you killed your friend to be defeated by 2 or 3 gennin.. obviusly a genius.

With the clans thing... i supose that clans dont marry between them because they look like they have 50-100 ppl so the chances to get deformitys and so is very high, konoha looks like our culture were almost always the wife goes to the "clan/family" of the husband. But what happens if u get a hyuga and uchiha married, hyuringan? this part of the histori has a lot of flaws, kishimoto makes mistakes too so dont think too hard about it. I have been thinking taht maybe they are banned to marry with other clans and only could marry with ninjas or normal citizens without bloodlines limits. Dunno.

Bye!

[Darkcarnage]

i would think the knwo fo teh rick fo gene brake down so likely clan members marry poeelp out side their clans, maybe here a thought non-ninjas, just normal poeple. we seen then alot poepel knwo of ninja and all but jsut do not care might marry one(liek haku mother and father she was a bloodline limit clan member while haku father a normal guy) maybe at times ninja marry other ninjas but i betting most do not ahve clans or very big familes and somes might marry in to a higher class family at times becoming clan members them selves. and not sure but hugya mgiht ahve enough poeple to stay contained cuase tehy do ahe 2 brances wiht unknow number of poeple. i think clan ahve some poeple taht not family memebrs jsut liek followers or the like

[Coconatior]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
orochimaru also said to kakashi
"You didnt always have that.......that eye.......I want it too"

which makes it unlikely that kakashi already had the sharingan practically all his life

If u read manga chapter Nr:243 or 242 i will se how kakashi got his Sharinga

[Werder]

lol Terra and Edort, I especially like Edort's reasoning. Ok, so maybe what I was saying was a bit, hmm, stoopid. But it's fun to play around with ideas!

And Coconatior, I have read the manga already. But I say no more. Besides we all know it's Neji. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Assertn]

um....thanks Coconatior.....except i already read the manga......

don't suggest reading manga chapters in the anime forum.....if they dont already read the manga, then your suggestion isnt going to convince them otherwise

[Darkcarnage]

i might read the manga after i'm done with the tv show so i can compare the 2 at a later time but i do not want to ruin the anime fun. and later if i like the magna better it not dim at this time my anime watching fun. i do ever wen/friday lol and make it worth wild reading it.

[Mut]

Hey, type fucking properly. Dickhead.

[XanBcoo]

Have we seen any female uchihas using the sharingan? Maybe it's only inherited through the boys.
'Cept we know female Hyuuga members inherit the Byakugan, so maybe not. Seems the two would be similar.
...So, I wonder if a Byakuringan really is possible, XP.

[Zinobi]

do we ever get to see nejis mom? cuz someone said it was neji maybe his mom was from the uchiha clan

[Y]

You tried to link a THREAD as an image.

That might have something to do with it.