Ch. 257 Discussion Thread

[ohpeekaboo]

yeah and i'm asking you what the word is, and what the other word that would mean metaphorical is then.

Like I said in my last post.

[Y]

Originally posted by: ohpeekaboo
yeah and i'm asking you what the word is, and what the other word that would mean metaphorical is then.

Like I said in my last post.

Nice try being a smartass, but no one was talking to you.

EDIT:

"'shiryoku' does not at all refer to power of observation - just means eyesight in Japanese, and has nothing to do with powers of observation."

I don't know what the word for metaphorical word would be, and I copied this from somewhere else so I'm relying on their Japanese translating abilities. Happy?

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: Y The Alien
"'shiryoku' does not at all refer to power of observation - just means eyesight in Japanese, and has nothing to do with powers of observation."

I don't know what the word for metaphorical word would be, and I copied this from somewhere else so I'm relying on their Japanese translating abilities. Happy?

I'm not sure about the japanese translations so I can't really tell who's right. If Y is right that would mean that the Sharingan has yet another weakness, in addition to sucking up the user's chakra. But if Y is wrong and that Itachi did overlook something about Kakashi, it would make way for a more interesting story due to Kakashi's new jutsu/sharingan secret.

[Franggio]

Well we all can sit here and discuss if the translation is correct...but come on ppl, we will never be sure untill Kishimoto himself showes us
in next weeks chapter...or the week after
But it's pretty fun to discuss it, aint it? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Well anyways I would have to agree with Y.
It doesn't meen "power of observation" it literaly means "eyesight" [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[SK]

im actually gonna agree with Y also, i took it literally.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I hate how fucking enthusiastic Naruto is on fighting Itachi, it's so silly to think Naruto could even scratch Itachi's left finger nail. I'll kill Kishimoto if Naruto manages to stay alive VS Itachi.

Damn, why must this series have such a bad main character. Kill Naruto and focus on Sasuke instead. Or Neji.





Or Udon.


Other than that it's badass shit!

If the main was Sasuke who is so hated by naruto fans,this manga would be doomed. Even if Neji is cool,there have been millions of mangas with main charachters like Neji genius and everything.

Also Naruto must survive Itachi not cuase he is the main characther cause Itachi wants him alive. If he wanted to kill him,Naruto wouldnt even last ten seconds against him.

[kAi]

I reckon he could fight Itachi longer than 10 seconds, I reckon he could give him a bit of a fight now. I think he would lose in the end, but yeah I don't think he would do that badly against him.

[Terracosmo]

"Even if Neji is cool,there have been millions of mangas with main charachters like Neji genius and everything."

But there're even more manga with stupid main characters of unexpected strength which eats a lot... ;D

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
"Even if Neji is cool,there have been millions of mangas with main charachters like Neji genius and everything."

But there're even more manga with stupid main characters of unexpected strength which eats a lot... ;D

Hahaha! Quite right!

[ChaosK]

lol very true terra but, we all know naruto is going to survive like hakeem said because, they need him alive and whether we like it or not kishimoto already made naruto a main character and isnt going to kill him off near the climax of the manga...or maybe away from climax i dunno i'd say this is pretty close.

true sasuke is hated by millions of naruto fans only because of his obsession with his brother and neji who is considered cool to many does not have the attitude needed to be the main character.

in this manga the main character has to be somebody that starts out weak, then builds up and eventually becomes strong, not somebody who was genius, and then went to super genius.

more or less there is a lesson here...

[JFDrummer430]

Quick thought: How likely do you think it will be that Sasuke will appear during this fight to try and take out Itachi?

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: JFDrummer430
Quick thought: How likely do you think it will be that Sasuke will appear during this fight to try and take out Itachi?

Do you really want us to answer that for you?

EDIT: None

[Kalean]

Alright, my 2.5 cents are long overdue. Yes, I'm sure you're all glad to see me posting again. *Dodges a rotten apple from Mut@t@* Yeah, thanks. Anyways, since you guys have been discussing the eyesight comment to death... (And the word does only mean eyesight, not observation, although the literal definition isn't helpful.) and there is no side that doesn't get yelled at in that argument, let's see if we can take a brief sidetrack. Before that, however, my quick analysis is that, whatever it is that Kakashi was saying, it's *SERIOUS*, since we know Itachi is one of the most well composed characters in the manga. For something to break his composure that completely and utterly, it must be devastatingly important. Poor Itachi.

Aaanyways, moving along, just how obvious was it to everyone that Kishimoto ignored all character conventions in the hopes of creating a Gai v. Kisame 1 on 1 fight? It's common knowledge that rushing in as a clustered group makes you easier to hit than attacking separately, and Tenten isn't even a close combat fighter in the first place. While we're on the subject, Lee can't move while in the water prison? Can we say paralysis jutsu? Lee's leg weights alone must somehow (defying all logic) weigh several tons, as the effect they produced on the Chuunin prelim arena was ... roughly equivalent to two cars being dropped from high altitude, if not more drastic. I wouldn't put it past him (or especially past Gai) to have upgraded his training regimen to include weights in his new spiffy Chuunin vest. If Lee can't move in the hydro prison, then it's more than likely that Neji and Tenten (if not Lee too) would be instantly crushed by the sheer pressure of the water. How's that for a physics dilemma?

... Have I sidetracked enough yet?

[Kineda]

I cant believe people are seriously discussing Itachi going blind. It makes no sense all and if you look at the flow of the conversation it points to being more metaphorical in meaning than literal.

I thought Kakashi copied the mangekyou at first. But this seems rediculous.

Maybe an Anti Tsukiyomi sharingan technique?

Also I hope we see Amaretsu in action.

[Assertn]

Kalean, are you implying that lee should be able to do what kakashi could not?

[Ryllharu]

Originally posted by: Kineda
I cant believe people are seriously discussing Itachi going blind. It makes no sense all and if you look at the flow of the conversation it points to being more metaphorical in meaning than literal.

I thought Kakashi copied the mangekyou at first. But this seems rediculous.

Maybe an Anti Tsukiyomi sharingan technique?

First of all, as others have said the word they use means literal eyesight, not anything else. I can't read Japanese, so I'm going to go with that. We won't know for sure what Kakashi meant until a few chapters, so we can all assume whatever we want.

I can't believe that people aren't taking the concept that Itachi might be losing his eyesight seriously enough. It makes perfect sense. Given a technique that is THAT powerful and drains Itachi of all people that much, is it really that much of a stretch that it puts a huge strain on the body part where a huge amount of chakra is flowing into? I don't think so.

Think about Lee. His gate techniques release the restrictions on the flow of chakra but ultimately damage him over time. If the Mangekyou uses that much chakra from Itachi, there must be an enormous amount of chakra flowing through Itachi's eyes. That must put some sort of strain on them.

Maybe if all you Itachi fanboys would brown-nosing Itachi as closely as you do, maybe you might consider this as a possibility for Itachi to lose. He will probably lose sometime, he will probably have to given the direction the manga is moving in. Yeah, its a cheap way to finish off a character with Itachi's skills, but who is to say that Itachi couldn't still kick Naruto and Sasuke's asses if he goes completely blind. He was the ANBU leader LONG before he got the Mangekyou and do you really have that little respect for your idol to think that he'd be that considerably weakened by losing his vision? Just think of the old Zatoichi movies.

At least if he lost his eyesight completely and still won the majority of his battles, he'd be a more interesting character than Sasuke.

[Shin_Naruto]

Originally posted by: Kalean
If Lee can't move in the hydro prison, then it's more than likely that Neji and Tenten (if not Lee too) would be instantly crushed by the sheer pressure of the water. How's that for a physics dilemma?

You know nothing about physics.


EDIT:
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He thinks there is pressure being applied in the Water Prison which is keeping Lee from moving. Since Lee is 'super strong', and unable to move, said pressure must be enormous.

What he doesnt understand is that pressure is applied from every direction evenly and therefore strength isnt a factor. If his physics model were true; deep sea subs that look at the sea shore in several tones of pressure would require HUGE amounts of hydrolic power to move any part of the craft.

[Mut]

What the fuck does Lee not being able to move have anything to do with Neji and Tenten being crushed? Is Lee's body somehow more resilient to water pressure than Neji's?

[Y]

The theory behind this would be that Lee can comfortably withstand 2 tons of pressure but is paralyzed by the water prison.

Of course wearing weights constantly doesn't increase your bone density, it cripples you. And people can't run at superspeed. So who fucking cares about physics.

[Assertn]

the point of the water prison is to suspend the person so they are stuck in place. When kakashi was in the water prison, he could still look around and move his limbs, because its not a matter of water pressure that keeps him from doing so. However, like Shin_naruto said, when you're in a place where all the forces applied to you are equal, then you won't be able to move anywhere. Imagine drifting in space.....no matter how strong you are, you wont be able to control how you move around.....