Ch. 257 Discussion Thread

[Roko]

if it is true, that would really degrade Naruto's quality. it is impossible to copy a bloodline! here's my reasoning: you can't copy a mangekyou sharingan with a normal sharingan cuz if you could, then all the little kids inn the uchiha clan who just got the sharingan (so they don't have those 3 things around the pupil, but 1) would have just copied the adult's full sharingan. this works in the same way: mangekyou is just a higher form of the sharingan, so if you can't copy a full sharingan with a newly formed one, you can't copy the mangekyou with a full sharingan!

[Deblas]

For a low quality sub it took a while. Anyway, just finish reading it but there is something I don't understand. Its the mangekyou affecting Itachi's eyesight?

[SK]

this page makes me wonder...
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[Deblas]

wonder what?

[Death BOO Z]

It seems unreasonable that Kakashi truly expects Sakura and Naruto to take on Itachi using Gai's method (espically after asuma said that Gai is probably the only one capable of it), and i also can't believe he managed to level up his sharingan to a point where he can resist the mengekyou... so the only reasonable option left is that Kakashi cut a receptor out of his eye (sorry, i'm no good with english medical terms) and now he's color-blind, but becuase of that, isn't affected by Itachi's sharingan...

of course, the old woman might also be able to do something, proabably get itachi to lost few of his kunais, in her gutts.

Naruto and Sakura can probably do nothing, they don't have the neccsery fighting experience to fight against a jutsu loaded ninja like Itachi, and most certainly they don't have the ability to read body movements like Kakashi and Gai...

as for the 'I hate Naruto' disscusion which has been going on, I defintally won't want to see Sasuke as a main charecter (or see him at all, for the matter), but about Naruto I have mixed feelings, his got the potential to be a good m.c, but so far, the charecter has been constantly reduced to 'talk big-kage bunshin-get your ass kicked - please try again' person, with one line dialouges (at best cases, sometimes he just says 'Nani?' like an idiot) and not a shred of the inner turmolis he had in the first episodes...

oh, and as for Gai and Kisame, I'm hoping that Gai dies protecting his team from Kisame, who decides to be smart and kill them instead of waiting till Gai frees them and they gang bang him...

[Lithonite]

I was thinking about this- Kakashi can use Mengekyou.. he didnt realise he was able to-but since he basically smoked Obito.. he did technically meet the requirements for achieving the mengekyou. More importantly is Kakshi was able to develope his eye without killing someone, then he is a freaking super genius, possible at a higher lvl of genius that Orochimaru( However alone he istill weaker than Itachi, and Orochimaru @ this point ).

I think we are going to see some good stuff- Kisame is going to get owned by Gai Sensei- he will open his gates to same Neji, lee, and tenten- he is that kind of character.

and like teh old woman said. their numbers give them the advantage against the sharingan... and at this pont they all have exp fighting the sharingan. They just need to worry about Itachi's Jutsu array, and skill at this point. between the 4 of them, I think they are better equiped to fight Itachi, Than Gai's already captured team was to fight Kisame.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Lithonite
I was thinking about this- Kakashi can use Mengekyou.. he didnt realise he was able to-but since he basically smoked Obito.. he did technically meet the requirements for achieving the mengekyou.

All wrong.

[Jman]

Originally posted by: Lithonite
I was thinking about this- Kakashi can use Mengekyou.. he didnt realise he was able to-but since he basically smoked Obito.. he did technically meet the requirements for achieving the mengekyou. More importantly is Kakshi was able to develope his eye without killing someone, then he is a freaking super genius, possible at a higher lvl of genius that Orochimaru( However alone he istill weaker than Itachi, and Orochimaru @ this point ).

I think we are going to see some good stuff- Kisame is going to get owned by Gai Sensei- he will open his gates to same Neji, lee, and tenten- he is that kind of character.

and like teh old woman said. their numbers give them the advantage against the sharingan... and at this pont they all have exp fighting the sharingan. They just need to worry about Itachi's Jutsu array, and skill at this point. between the 4 of them, I think they are better equiped to fight Itachi, Than Gai's already captured team was to fight Kisame.

You sound like that guy hatake kakashi who had asinine theories about kakashi being able to secretly use the mangekyo.
Anyways, as some have already mentioned Kakashi is NOT an Uchiha so that already makes it clear that he can't use Mangekyo, 'freaking super genius' or not. There's no way in hell he could develop a bloodline ability so stop that trend of thought.

[ChaosK]

animemaster is correct, you have to be uchiha by BLOOD in order to perform mangekyou sharingan. I also wondered about the eyesight thing... i also agree that probably only gai can fight only watching a person's feet, but i dont doubt that kakashi's sharingan can probably catch movements too but sakura, naruto and the old lady are kinda screwed.

this is kinda stupid, we didnt see any of lee, neji or tenten's cool moves...

[narutosharingan]

What in the world else does Kakashi mean from the eyesight statement? The only thing that happened between them before was that Itachi used the Mangekyou. I don't see any reason why it couldn't be that.

[Knives122]

its more or less one of two reasons:

1. Itachi's analytical skills are decreasing, and hes becoming lazy. He wasnt able to see the obvious about Kakashi realizing so much just out of one battle.

2. his eyes are actually losing their potency(visual capabilities) and the same goes for Kakashi as well(ala him showing his sharingan) from using the Sharingan too much

hopefully both of these are wrong( they probably are [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] ) and we'll get a real explanation in two weeks

ps. found this at the Narutofan forums and thought it was funny:

OMG Itachi Goes Blind!!

[ChaosK]

i acctually agree with your 2nd one the sharingan can get you accustomed to seeing the world with better perspective which would make your normal eyes seem bad and inferior

[Roko]

that makes lots of sense. Everything has a weakness, no matter how powerful. I say that Itachi will lose the ability to use Mangekyou eventually and than probably the sharingan will follow.

[Dezalanel]

I have a quick thought on this whole Kakashi can not get the mangekyou thing......If you remember when he got the Sharingan from Obito it only has 2 dots....but now it has the 3 dots..he has already advanced his Sharingan once...why couldm't he do it again? I know it is unlikely but there is still a slight possibility...you never know what kishimoto will pull out if his hat.

[Assertn]

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its like bugs, you try to stop a few, but more just keep coming

for the love of god, itachi's vision is NOT going bad in any literal sense
and no, watching your friend die is not at all the same as you deliberately killing your friend

[Roko]

Originally posted by: Dezalanel
I have a quick thought on this whole Kakashi can not get the mangekyou thing......If you remember when he got the Sharingan from Obito it only has 2 dots....but now it has the 3 dots..he has already advanced his Sharingan once...why couldm't he do it again? I know it is unlikely but there is still a slight possibility...you never know what kishimoto will pull out if his hat.

I still find it weird that Obito went from no sharingan to 2 dots sharingan. now that I think about it, if Kakashi still has to kill someoneto obtain mangekyou, who would he kill? my best guess would be Gai, since they seem to be excellent friends. wathcing your friend die is definitely not the same as killing your friend. watching your friend die, emotionally wise, is sadness, and killing your friend is anger.2 very different things

[Y]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure

for the love of god, itachi's vision is NOT going bad in any literal sense

How do you know?

[kAi]

possible at a higher lvl of genius that Orochimaru( However alone he istill weaker than Itachi, and Orochimaru @ this point ).

More genius than Orochimaru. you've got to be kidding, the guy who created a jutsu that can make him live forever (age wise, not by anyone or anything), who resurrected the former hokage's and used them to try and kill the current hokage (at the time).

Also, why does no one like the dialogue, there has to be dialogue otherwise this story would be shit. If this was full action no talking, I doubt Naruto would be so big.

It's like in real life, most of the time you'll say something to the guy you're going to fight, or you have thoughts in your head about something, or you say something to find an answer too. There'll be mainly a talk before all big fights, you may say something one day, but the next time just beat the shit outta them, or you just beat the shit outta them without any speaking. If that were the case with Naruto it would be dull, there's no story behind just beating someone up, except for saying "I beat that person up".

[Elessar]

Heh, controversial.

But let's be honest, as much as it sucks.
Mangekyou is a sort of ultimate weapon. So far, there is no way out. So Itachi either has to die, or, kills everyone else. Woot. So, Kishimoto is in a pinch.
He has to construct some weirdness so that Itachi can be beaten.

I doubt it will be a full fledged mangekyou, but I think we will se something along the line of the dots uniteing to one big snake-eye like thing. Would look nasty in Kakashi's face.

[Dezalanel]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
.................................................. ......
its like bugs, you try to stop a few, but more just keep coming

for the love of god, itachi's vision is NOT going bad in any literal sense
and no, watching your friend die is not at all the same as you deliberately killing your friend

Acording to Nihongari from the NF forums, he says that is EXACTLY what it means. It literaly means his vision is going bad. I am just basing this off of his translation though.