Very good observation, Curium!
Also he looked a bit "wtf", as to further fuel the fact that Mwu was gone.
Very good observation, Curium!
Also he looked a bit "wtf", as to further fuel the fact that Mwu was gone.
That newtype reaction doesn't occur constantly just so you know. Atleast in their battle they didn't constantly have reactions. Its definately something to put on the evidence side that he died or was picked up. That statement works for both sides. Good find. As for the "wtf" comment I think he'd have that look no matter what since I think he was planning on being the one to take down Mwu. For something else to have beat the Strike is startling enough.
You are so unbelievably thick.Originally posted by: Guardian_2000
That newtype reaction doesn't occur constantly just so you know. Atleast in their battle they didn't constantly have reactions. Its definately something to put on the evidence side that he died or was picked up. That statement works for both sides.
Of course they didn't have reactions "all the time" (naturally it would look rather funny), but why the hell would they choose not to do the reaction thing at such a crucial moment if it didn't mean something?
Ok, this is the 5th time I've attempted to post this, so hopefully it will work this time...Originally posted by: Curium
It looks like you were being Sarcastic, but I'm still responding. Personally I'd believe it was Mwu before I would believe it was Rau. As I've said many times I will never believe it is really Mwu. Rau took a Beam Saber to the chest, and then a nuclear powered superweapon in the face at point blank range. I don't believe there is ANY series in ANY catagory in ANY country that has medical tech good enough to save someone from that.
I've been going over episode 49 and 50 trying to peice together the likelyhood of either Mwu or Rau surviving, and I came across something interesting... Rau never gets hit by Kira's beam sabre.
If you check, it acctually slides in through the cockpit but misses Rau's righthand side by a few good inches; added to that, when the explosion of the GENESIS hits Kira and Rau's units, Kira leaps out of the way (though he still doesn't come clear) and Rau's unit is push to the side by Kira, then shoved offscreen in the same direction by the 'beam'. There is no explosion and the only damage we see to either unit, was Freedom's legs getting mangled.
Now, with all that, let's consider for a moment - Strike explodes, we see Mwu getting taken by the explosion in his cockpit, certainly he is dead (unless the writers come up with some cheap, crappy plot device) Neo, on the otherhand, has not got a confirmed death, the most we see is his helmet's screen breaking and his mask flying off.
So, we SEE Mwu's apparent death, but Rau is just discarded like no one would care? - I wonder who has the greater chance of survival? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Something else that bothered me, Neo's hair is the same length and shape as Rau's... i wonder... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Okay great, now Rau is alive too?
*waits for people to bring up theories regarding Frey's survival and cloning into Stellar because they have the same voice actor*
SHIT I'M ON TO SOMETHING ROFLFLL
I was jsut saying, it's more _plausable_ for Rau to be Neo, than reviving a person we know, for certain, is dead - just to be cinematic.
I get the feeling that the only reason they voice actors are the same, is because they are fulfilling the same roles as their previous incarnations. Stellar is someone the main character feels they need to protect, Neo is the EA's topgun and Rey is Zaft's topgun... soon to be turned raging genocidal maniac [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].
I think that Mwu is Neo. During episode 44 of Seed, Rau and Mwu both sense Kira coming (according to MAHQ's review). I thinking Kira sensed the same. Also in GSD episode 23 ( 20:06 - 20:10) it looked like Kira might have sensed Neo and vice versa. Execpt without the freaky newtype flash thing.
Rau doesn't get destroyed? interesting... http://nomoz.mediahalo.com/ima...2d5071.upload/prov.JPG and the explosion(easier to see in the ep) http://nomoz.mediahalo.com/ima...upload/prov%20boom.JPGOriginally posted by: Kovash
I've been going over episode 49 and 50 trying to peice together the likelyhood of either Mwu or Rau surviving, and I came across something interesting... Rau never gets hit by Kira's beam sabre.
If you check, it acctually slides in through the cockpit but misses Rau's righthand side by a few good inches; added to that, when the explosion of the GENESIS hits Kira and Rau's units, Kira leaps out of the way (though he still doesn't come clear) and Rau's unit is push to the side by Kira, then shoved offscreen in the same direction by the 'beam'. There is no explosion and the only damage we see to either unit, was Freedom's legs getting mangled.
and this was in another topic, series is on top movies on bottom... http://end-in-z.com/def/mu.jpgOriginally posted by: Kovash
Now, with all that, let's consider for a moment - Strike explodes, we see Mwu getting taken by the explosion in his cockpit, certainly he is dead (unless the writers come up with some cheap, crappy plot device) Neo, on the otherhand, has not got a confirmed death, the most we see is his helmet's screen breaking and his mask flying off.
Just incase you didn't know...hair grows...Originally posted by: Kovash
Something else that bothered me, Neo's hair is the same length and shape as Rau's... i wonder...
Yes, his unit doesn't explode, even your picture shows that his legs and arms came off, but the torso is intact.Originally posted by: NomoZ
Rau doesn't get destroyed? interesting... http://nomoz.mediahalo.com/ima...2d5071.upload/prov.JPG
I don't believe that, just because the helmet is missing, Mwu 'magically' survives the exact same circumstances as I mentioned above; if you bother to re-read what I said, I never even mentioned the stupid helmet.Originally posted by: NomoZ
and this was in another topic, series is on top movies on bottom... http://end-in-z.com/def/mu.jpg
You're right it does, and as a tribute to his dead father's clone, Mwu decides to get the exact same haircut.Originally posted by: NomoZ
Just incase you didn't know...hair grows...
That being said, I will re-iterate, I DON'T think that Neo is Rau; but given the circumstances of both _apparent_ deaths, Rau is MORE likely to have surived. I do not in any way believe that I have proved anything short of that.
In the event that Neo turns out to be Mwu and he survives the explosion due to some convinient plot device... I'll be angry, frustrated, and probably lose all respect for the writers.
In the event that Neo turns out to be Rau, I'd be shocked an appauled, though not as much as if it was Mwu.
In the event that Neo turns out to be a clone of either Mwu or Rau, I'll be dissapointed, but not angry.
In the event that Neo turns out to be Tolle, i'll laugh.
EDIT: Oh, and can people stop taking things I say as a joke, and skewing them into yet another, pointless, arguement.
Rau is dead for sure. In GS, if a char's head splatters all over inside his helmet, then the MS/MA explodes, it's basically a 100% chance he's dead.
i can just imagine it being Tolle. Milly's face upon seeing him will just be like "WTF?!?!"
"You can never know everything, and part of what you know is always wrong. Perhaps even the most important part. A portion of wisdom lies in knowing that. A portion of courage lies in going on anyways."
People are going to start saying it's Nicol who's Neo soon....... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Roko
Rau is dead for sure. In GS, if a char's head splatters all over inside his helmet, then the MS/MA explodes, it's basically a 100% chance he's dead.
i can just imagine it being Tolle. Milly's face upon seeing him will just be like "WTF?!?!"
"Our hearts are full of memories but not all of them reflect the truth. The heart isn't a recording device. Even important memories change with time. They warp or fade, leaving us with but a shadow of what we hoped to remember." 天の道を行き、全てを司る。これは僕の世界。
You obviously didn't see the 2nd pic i attached, go rewatch the ep there is an explosion(bright yellow flash) in the beams path right where Providence was.
As for the helmet, I thought you meant mwu's not rau's.
Right now they both look dead, but since they edited out the helmet in space I think they decided to let Mwu live to become Neo. Why else would they edit it out...for kicks?
There's no way Rey is Zaft's topgun. Mwu was the topgun of Archangel but wasnt assigned Strike. Kira became its topgun. To be a topgunner you'd have to have sharp-shooting skills. Athrun proved a sharp-shooter and he was annihilated by Kira once in GS and had to self-destruct just to take him out and once again in GSD but thats because he wasnt fighting with the right spirit. Shinn is currently the top gun of Zaft after he learned Athrun's trick with holding a handgun which isnt much different from being in control of one in a Gundam. The precognition Rey had with Neo was just the same as Mwu and Rau. It has nothing to do with being a top-gunner but like real life twins these guys tend to know when each other is coming because one of them is the clone of the other and think smilar in alot of ways and they have a sort of rivalry that goes way back when even so much as genetically.
Wow, interesting take on the helmet. I agree if you head goes up like a balloon its evident they're gone.
Neo might be closer to Rau because he uses the same kind of mobile suit as providence used in Gundam Seed. Its like providence rebult without any change except in color. They were both black i think. Black is the color of evil. If Rau is alive it would be as Neo and its his rebirth name. He might have been revived but joined Earth under a covert agenda. But after EPI 29 i think he's really dead because Dullihand was talking to a ghost of Rau of sort unless its just his imaginations. Also the picture of Providence going up is quite clear. Kira already inflicted a knife wound and the beam would have pierced through the already weakened providence phase-shfit armory.
Rey never was Zaft's topgun. Shinn always was, which was the reason he was given Impulse. Mwu was a topgun, yes, but with mobile armors, not suits. And Kira was never part of the EA before being forced to pilot Strike. Athrun was annihilated by Kira because Kira is the ultimate coordinator, and ultimate coordinator>coordinator. And because Kira is the ultimate coordinator, he can kick anybody's butt anyday. There, I'm done contradicting you.
"You can never know everything, and part of what you know is always wrong. Perhaps even the most important part. A portion of wisdom lies in knowing that. A portion of courage lies in going on anyways."
I saw it, and checked to make sure, the flash comes from offscreen, it envelops Provodence, but the unit itself doesn't explode (I went thorugh frame by frame, check it yourself)Originally posted by: NomoZ
You obviously didn't see the 2nd pic i attached, go rewatch the ep there is an explosion(bright yellow flash) in the beams path right where Providence was.
As for the helmet, I thought you meant mwu's not rau's.
Right now they both look dead, but since they edited out the helmet in space I think they decided to let Mwu live to become Neo. Why else would they edit it out...for kicks?
In naycase, it's hardly the point - as I said, I don't believethat Rau survived, just that, when it comes to the bare balled facts, Rau has a BETTER chance at survival than Mwu.
As for the edited out helmet, there are a dozen possible reasons it was taken out, though I will admit Mwu's survival is one of them. I am prepared for the possibility, I'd just hate it., because he SHOULD be dead.
And just a side note about the Tupgun thingie; Shinn isn't a topgun, just the pilot of an experimental Mobile suit (and the main character) - everyone else out-ranks him (save possibly the crew workers that repair his suit).
AND
STOP forming arguments out of statements made in jest.
Shinn is a topgun. Why do you think Impulse was given to him instead of Rey, and Rey got a sucky Zaku?
nobody's forming arguments out of statements made in a jest. if you wanna prevent it, then just don't post the fucking jest. That's what jests are for, to debate and make fun of.
"You can never know everything, and part of what you know is always wrong. Perhaps even the most important part. A portion of wisdom lies in knowing that. A portion of courage lies in going on anyways."
Shinn was given Impulse because Dullindal did a check on all the pilot's genetics and saw that Shinn had the potential to achive SEED.Originally posted by: Roko
Shinn is a topgun. Why do you think Impulse was given to him instead of Rey, and Rey got a sucky Zaku?
nobody's forming arguments out of statements made in a jest. if you wanna prevent it, then just don't post the fucking jest. That's what jests are for, to debate and make fun of.
most likely yes but we dont know for sure. it was said in the early eps that the captain or someone on the minerva wondered why shinn got impulse instead of rey.
http://end-in-z.com/def/mu.jpg
wtf is the helmet removed after all? Now I'm confused
On the DVD release of the episode it was not released. In the 3 movie summary maybe it was. I'm not particularly concerned about a summary. Summaries by their very nature are incomplete.
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