The best bloodline???

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: Psyke

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
while i agree with the saying that the Sharingan is an optical enchatment to the eye and gives you better eyesight and analyzing abilities, it still doesn't explain a few things.
1. In the forest of death, Sasuke saw the rain nins create clones from the shadows and was able to tell them apart from the real enemies, that shouldn't be possible without an ability to see chackra like the byakougan.
2. Genjutsu isn't a pyshical 'attack', it effects one mentally, so again, the Sharingan should be useless against it, and yet, Kakashi said that the sharingan allowes the user to read through it.

a better explantion is that the sharingan is Kishimoto's favorite word and now he's fallen in love with the damn concept, look forward to the special ending chapter 'Sasuke developes the sharingan and sees throught the universe to understand the meanning of existence. and then drops is cuz he likes being an angst ridden teenager'.

Really, I tell, that's what we have waiting for us in the end.

For the 2 points you've written, it seems you are refering to Genjutsu alone. The bushins created by the rain nins are fake, used to fool ones's eyes. This apparently doesn't work on a Sharingan user as explained by Kakashi. Thus, anything a Genjutsu uses to trick the opponents' eyes will not work on a Sharingan user. Eg. Bushins, illusions, hypnosis, etc.

the sharingan CAN see chakra flow. kakashi said it couldnt see tenkutsus. If you read manga NOTE: SPOILERS AT RISK

obito see's the invisible earth guy right after he gets sharingan and kakashi gets his left eye taken out.

[Y]

On that note, if the Sharingan can track and copy the flow of chakra, Sasuke should have been able to duplicate the Rasengan, unless it requires more power than Sasuke has in total.

[Roko]

But then rasengan doesn't use any seals. And from what Jiraiya was saying, the chakra flow in rasengan is comepletely random, so every rasengan naruto does should be different, since the chakra flow is different each time. Maybe Sasuke's too much of an idiot to figure out how to copy it.

On 2nd thought, sasuke copied Lee's speed, but wasn't able to use it until Kakashi trained him in it.

[XanBcoo]

That's because he lacked the speed needed to keep up with what he saw. I think it was Lee who said that. That unless Sasuke is able to keep up with movements, he can't copy them effectively. Sasuke could copy Lee's techinques (creating the Lion combo), but yes, it wasn't until he was able to move as fast as Lee that he could copy his fighting style.
Maybe it's similar w/the rasengan.

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
Psyke, so you mean that the genjutsu is failing becuase the sharingan sees the points where the illusion isn't coresponding with reality? like and edited photoshop image or a blue background screen thing on the TV?

still doesn't explain stuff such as sleeping genjutsu, and defintally not genjutsu which isn't based on sight, which it seems the sharingan is also immune to.

Genjutsu in Japanese refers to illusion techniques, which means tricking the opponent with fake images, hypnotism, etc. I'm not too sure about the sleeping genjutsu, but I don't think sharingan users would be affected as it is still, ultimately an illusion which must first require the opponent to open his/her eyes.

[Hakeem_21]

Sasuke cant copy Rasengan cause it isnt a thecnique you cant copy with i think so cause if Sasuke could copy it he would already do it after he saw how much powerful than the chidori it is.
I think the reason he cant copy rasengan is that he doesnt have as big chakra as Naruto has, Jiraya did say that Naruto is the only one that can learn rasengen cause he is the only one with chakra big enough and you have to learn something after you copied it to use it just like Sasuke did with Lee's speed and move.

[XanBcoo]

makes sense I guess.
But in terms of power, aren't the two pretty similar. When Chidori and Rasengan clashed...sasuke won, didn't he. By "won" I mean he was less affected.
And the sharingan doesn't only copy jutsus. Sasuke copied that guy's handwriting, and Kakashi copied Zabuza's movements. So wouldn't copying the actions to perform rasengan be similar to that?

[Hakeem_21]

Yeah but once again you need to have very big chakra to make Rasengan thats what Jiraya said and if you copy how to do rasengan but not have the chakra then you havent gain anything. When Chidori and Rasengan clashed nobody won they both got blown away.

[Death BOO Z]

xanbcoo
A. sure, you can say it's quite similiar in power (espically since Naruto uses the Rasengan exactly like a chidori blow), but Jiriya said that the Rasengan is more powerful, Kakashi said that had he not interfered, Sasuke would have been killed, and the Chidori needs much more chackra to create the same amount of power.
B. you understand that when we say 'copying jutsu' it means copying the movements (hand seals, usually, but also fighting style) used, he doesn't watch a fireball and understands a katon movement, he's watching the action which leads to the fireball. The Rasengan isn't copyable (as far as we know), since the movement is chackra movement, not pyshical. of course, if the Sharingan can see chackra movement then it's probably possible to copy it, but let's leave it out for now.

I don't think that the Rasengan needs that much chackra to operate, and since Sasuke can extract enough chackra to make it visible on his hands, i believe that he's got enough chackra to do a rasengan, at least a few of them, if not more.

[Hakeem_21]

Death Boo Z:

You gotta reread the chaps Jiraya learned Naruto the rasengan cause he said clearly that you must have a HUGE amount of chakra to be able to do rasengan. Maybe thats why only the fourth,Jiraya and Naruto can do it two legendary ninjas and one chakra freak [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] Also beeing able to a chidori once or max twice and doing 100's rasengan as Naruto did when he trained how to do rasengan shows clearly that is no use for Sasuke to try to copy rasengan.
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[Sam98034]

sorry to not be helpful or anything...but who cares why he can't copy the Rasengan? The fact is he can't. If he could, he would have done it. You can *make up* all the reasons you want for why he can't do it, but I can say it's because Sasuke doesn't have the arm strength because he doesn't beat off as much as Naruto, and you can't prove me wrong.

[Itachi_y2k5]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Death Boo Z:

You gotta reread the chaps Jiraya learned Naruto the rasengan cause he said clearly that you must have a HUGE amount of chakra to be able to do rasengan. Maybe thats why only the fourth,Jiraya and Naruto can do it two legendary ninjas and one chakra freak [img][/img] Also beeing able to a chidori once or max twice and doing 100's rasengan as Naruto did when he trained how to do rasengan shows clearly that is no use for Sasuke to try to copy rasengan.
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I Agree, chidori is enough anyways, and it would be boring if sasuke had kyuubi and sharingan

[Zinobi]

how do you get sigs? cuz i see awsome ones like -Sharingan-Kakashi-'s and Itachi_y2k5 and i want one
oh and if you guys dont mind i would like to combine sharingan and bomne manipulation(kimimaro)

[Uchiha Barles]

Sharingan, hands down. You stand to learn a new technique almost every battle, and for hand to hand combat, nothing beats it. Combining offensive timing with where your opponent is most probably going to move is awesome.

[Darkcarnage]

Sharingan i'll keep ym vote for this. cuase of it pwoer to learn any move but one you need training for (like incressing you speed or chakra control/amount) and of course bloodline limits. besides that it seemt o ahve the most pwoer and protental around.

also even if you foe faster then you if you can see his movements and chkra flow you can guess where he going to be and attack/block and get ti right like 90% + of the time and seem to be a even match(like in eps 133) that alone make ti worth while and being immuin from gen jutus is a very nice bouns. now if we seem more limits show up i'll might change my mind but as is wihyt only 3 limits on teh baord i stick to Sharingan hands down.

as for regansen it takes. alot fo chakra, praticed chakra control and focus and as well consertration (not sure if Sasuke even knwo about this on ? ) also teh chakra gather in to his body and then release in his ahnd and keep in a orb. that can be ahrd to copy cuase you mgiht see how chkra moves and how it done, but seeing and able to do it some times totaly diffent. all Sasuke sees is a spinning orb of chakra, but not how it keep in a orb or how it amde to randomly rotate.

regansen vs lighting edge each has good points.
lighting edge and pounch through and defence or armor in a single quick hit while regansen more digs it way in to it target ribbing it apart layer by layer. light when they fighting aoi who had teh lighting god sword regansen did the first time 0 damage to it but lighting edge cracked it. but regansen do more damge cuase it hit a bigger area and can dig out a huge area making a wound very pained or destroly a whoel door instead of poking a hole in it.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Zinobi
how do you get sigs? cuz i see awsome ones like -Sharingan-Kakashi-'s and Itachi_y2k5 and i want one
oh and if you guys dont mind i would like to combine sharingan and bomne manipulation(kimimaro)

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[Strider]

Sharingan has "dangerously awesome" (inside joke) potential. However, the Byakugan is just so god damn elite to me. It looks wicked, has insane insight and it just sounds coo' to say! Byakugan! Byakugan! .. Like you guys have never just said it to yourself before. Hrmph.


// Strider. Out.

[Weilun]

yea i love the byakugan! earlier in the anime, it is said that all doujutsus can see thru any ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu. do byakugan can definitely do it as well as sharingan. and byakugan looks so much meaner lest the opponent die of fright.

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: Strider
Sharingan has "dangerously awesome" (inside joke) potential. However, the Byakugan is just so god damn elite to me. It looks wicked, has insane insight and it just sounds coo' to say! Byakugan! Byakugan! .. Like you guys have never just said it to yourself before. Hrmph.


// Strider. Out.

ok i have done that b4 but...jus wondering whats the point of ur "strider out" thing?

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo

Originally posted by: Strider
Sharingan has "dangerously awesome" (inside joke) potential. However, the Byakugan is just so god damn elite to me. It looks wicked, has insane insight and it just sounds coo' to say! Byakugan! Byakugan! .. Like you guys have never just said it to yourself before. Hrmph.


// Strider. Out.

ok i have done that b4 but...jus wondering whats the point of ur "strider out" thing?

Enlighten yourself.

Post isn't long enough to do it, now.