Hold him hostage like his wife and mother suggested?
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Hold him hostage like his wife and mother suggested?
Well Karstark was trying to prove a point that Robb was weak/soft, calling him a pussy because he doesn't want to kill anyone. If he had let him live, everyone would still think he is weak.
Holding a lord hostage to control his army isn't weak, it's smart.
If he had let the guy go free, that would be weak.
Even if his people did see it as weakness, at least he still had a full army. It might have even been seen as mercy. Of course, there might be negative effects in the hostage scenario as well, such as some groups losing trust in their leader, but it would still be better than losing half his army.
Killing the guy was weak AND stupid. Weak because he acted out of anger and stupid because the consequences were insane losses.
If you hold their Lord hostage, their army will rebel. For some reason, it was kind of weird that Karstark's army didn't rebel after their Lord got executed.
Robb hasn't made the best of decisions but I don't think holding Rickard Karstark captive would have done much to 'control' his army. Sure he could have kept the army intact for just a bit longer but those Karstark men would hardly be loyal to him. They would probably seek out the first opportunity to rescue their lord and backstab him.
Robb lost control of half of his army by losing control of Rickard Karstark. It was too little too late to salvage the situation. I dont think he had any choice but to cut them loose.
Does Robb even have a plan? I guess at this point, I'd be frustrated knowing Robb isn't in control.
There's one more trouble brewing in the east thought, the Frey of the twins. I guess he plans to resolve that.
They basically did rebel. Going home in defiance of Robb's wishes is open rebellion against him.
He was screwed from the moment Catelyn released Jaime. Karstark was bound to act in retaliation for that and once he did there were no good options left. He would have showed his utter lack of authority by letting Karstark commit clandestine executions in his own camp. As Splash! pointed out, if Karstark could just kill people with impunity and Robb lets him out with a slap on the wrist, it would create a power vacuum that would be filled by Karstark himself or any other of Robb's power-hungry bannermen.
The actions of that stupid uncle (the one who couldn't shoot the drifting corpse) have come back to haunt Robb in the worst possible way. If only he hadn't gone after the kids in the first place and completely screwed up Robb's plans to corner Gregor Clegane...
So true...maybe Robb just has very incapable commanders under him.
This is true, actually. It's pretty obvious Y is speaking from a more developed (from book) understanding of the plot points and motivations of the characters.
Like how Lord Baelish gives two shits about the realm was only touched upon and hinted at until the scene where he says "chaos is a ladder," but Y talks about it from a "fully informed" stand point. Good bye, epic blossom of character development I could have experienced. :(
What the hell are you on about? Varys, as Arch quoted, says that Littlefinger "would burn down the realm to be king of the ashes" a few episodes ago, along with the revelation that he was bankrupting the realm. It's not something I'm spoiling, it's something that is explicitly spelled out in the episode I'm commenting on.
Are you really such a jackass that you're blaming me for the fact that other people are reading spoilers out of my posts?
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Your fucking thread OP says that you "liked the show so much, that I immediately got the book and read it. Then read all the summaries on Wikipedia, then skimmed the rest of the books... So much for spoiler control."
What the hell? So it's OK for you to post, because you didn't get the character development that is present in the series when you spoiled it for yourself a long time ago, but I can't post because I understand things too well? I mean seriously, "Littlefinger is self-serving" is the least fucking spoilery comment you could possibly make about Littlefinger. Every word out of his mouth, every action absolutely screams that.
Like I said, it was hinted at (eunuch's opinion, could have been wrong) and never fully admitted to until Baelish said it himself. Notice the atmosphere of the scene that indicates revelation.
Leave it to you to get your panties all up in a bunch and get defensive without taking a hint to lay off the "correcting" people so hard. Well, whatever, I'll just put you on ignore until the season's over so I can enjoy the rest of people's posts (somehow they know how not to spoiler).
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There's almost too much epicness in this episode to talk about.
Tywin is such a badass. I wouldn't say he asks for greatness, strives for it or even demands it. These things imply that there is some sort of motivation behind acquiring it. He just dwells in it. He never stops. I mean, seven kingdoms? All these people are killing themselves for one damn throne and he has seven kingdoms, and that's like monopoly property to him. I mean, how much reach
Like Baelish and the eunuch, he's learned that it's far more frugal to command things from behind the scenes and let someone else be stupidly in the spotlight.
I'm not sure if he's a douche to his kids because he hates them, or if he's just a hardass all the time and is good at acting charming to get what he wants. I'm willing to guess that he's a dick to anyone he thinks is incompetent, even if it means being a dick to his own kids. He genuinely enjoyed Maerge's grandma's company, which was a sight to see. I imagine his wife was equally as witty and charming, which is why it hit him so hard when she died. I need some more charming Tywin!
Thank god Daeny wasn't in this ep. I love her and all, but I was getting tired of watching her burn EVERYTHING. Is she starting to feel one dimensional for anyone else? I'd love to see a damn soft side or some weakness, or something.
This is my last post in your shit thread, asshole.
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You already posted that you spoiled yourself so this whole exchange is literally just you blowing smoke up your ass because you think you're a great poster who can pretend to not have read the books better than me.
Wow, I know I said I'd put you on ignore but I had to see what sort of knee-jerk response you'd have within seconds of me writing something
This obviously isn't "my" shit thread, I'm just the gal who started it. If anything it's "your" shit thread since you've contributed the most (shit?) in terms of post count. You rly should see a therapist, for reasons obvious btw.
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Speaking of therapists, I don't really see how Cersei is getting the shit end of the deal by marrying Loras? Loras is a nice guy, and it's pretty common knowledge to everyone but Sansa that he's gay. So she'll have a position of power and basically get to bang whoever she wants while he bangs whoever he wants (until it's time to have babies, anyway). If anything, they'll probably have separate chambers.
She hates the Tyrells too much even if it is the smart move for them. At this point Cersei's judgements are really dumb. Even Tywin said that she is not as smart as she think she is.
Tywin Vs Queen of Thorns round 1! Looking forward to more clashes between these two.
It's true Y. Please continue to post though. When Varys hinted at Baelish just wanting to destroy the realm, I imagined that was a ploy to get Marjorie's grandma's support, or at least unite them with a common enemy.
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This episode was kind of boring, a little too gory for my taste. However, I did like Tywin and the grandma talking. I liked Varys and Littlefinger going at it. I also enjoyed the witch's encounter with the bastard king child and Arya.
So I take it the Tyrell's have left King's Landing? Did Marjorie leave too?
I honestly don't know how anyone could pretend that "Littlefinger is self-serving," is a spoiler. It hasn't been obvious since this episode where he admitted chaos is a ladder for his ambitions, it hasn't been obvious since Varys said he'd rather burn it all down to be king of the ashes, it hasn't been obvious since he betrayed Ned Stark.
It has been obvious since the first time he tried to get Catelyn to leave Ned. He was trying everything he could do to get Catelyn, stability be damned, his reputation be damned, her reputation be damned. When he finally realized he'd lost her forever, he just switched to Sansa, not looking to be king of the North, just to have her as a mistress, because it would be kinda like having Catelyn.
Every. Single. Line. Anytime he speaks in that gravelly tone, it reeks of his destructive ambitions. A credit to his actor, playing such a one-dimensional character in a way that makes you think he is that much more, just like Littlefinger wants to be seen as.
This is such a non-issue, and I regret even having to comment on it, at the risk of continuing it.
Robb keeps wondering why he is winning every battle, but losing the war. It's pretty obvious to me, and probably the men around him. He's a good person, but a terribly shitty leader. He's too strong when he shouldn't be, too soft when he shouldn't be, and breaks alliances only to need them again, but now with terms twice as bad.
Great acting by the guy torturing Theon.
Exactly why I hate Littlefinger so much. Almost every important character has been shown to care about something besides themselves (well except for maybe Joffrey). Cersei has her kids and Jaime, Tywin cares about the family name, Varys cares about the realm, etc. Littlefinger is by far the most self-absorbed character in this show.
The conversation between Lady Olenna and Tywin was pretty awesome. I dont think I remember a situation where someone was completely unfazed by Tywin's presence.
Littlefinger being self-serving is not a spoiler. Everyone is self-serving. I just didn't know this guy was basically evil, maybe even maniacal. At first, I thought he was loyal to the Lannisters, but now we know his intention is to bring chaos.
It's unfortunate, those will knowledge of spoilers can't completely hide it from their posts. It's like watching a movie with someone who's already seen it. If that person talks about the plot or character development, we can pretty much infer that what he said is at the least partly true. For example, I'm sad to have found out that Sansa and Lady Catelyn will not be doing anything useful for the rest of the series. Of course, I would have been disappointed about them either way. But at least there would have been some suspense.
All I'm asking is that book readers be a bit more mindful of non-book readers.
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Btw, what was Lady Olenna referring to when she said "Rarely do you meet a man who lives up to his reputation?"
Sansa's just too beautiful to look at, her face is practically symmetrical and flawless.
When the witch talked to Arya, did anyone think she meant that Arya will be killing a lot of people? And when saw these eyes, could one of them have been her dad?
Also, which side is the Lord of Light on? I was shocked to know that the brotherhood was tasked with getting King Baratheon back on track.
I think she meant the 3 that Arya named to be killed. That Arya is responsible for their deaths and that if not meet again personally she will be judged by the Lord of Light.
Also as for all the so called spoilers, i haven't seen anything that i can count as such. I came to the same conclusions that Q pointed out. Sansa will not be doing anything of worth. She is simply a pawn to be played with. And she's powerless to prevent that. Even after getting married to anyone of power, all the once toying with her will still be of higher standings. Catelyn put herself in a position where she will be unable to do anything at all except advise. Until this war is over she will be able to do nothing. Can't see how pointing that out is spoilers.
I interpreted Mellisandre's line about eye colors combined with the "We will meet again," to mean that Arya would find Mellisandre later to kill her, amongst others. She looked a bit shocked, and her eyes are blue.
When Lady Olenna talked to Tyrion about wedding fees, she totally destroyed him. She ended the conversation saying that she was disappointed to see that he didn't live up to his reputation of being drunk and impertinent, but was a brow-beaten bookkeeper. She also was steps ahead of Varys when they chatted, and Varys had a reputation where she expected more ("I heard you're such a clever man --> you surrender rather easily"). When Lady Olenna talked to Tywin, I'd say Tywin came out on top. So she's saying that he lives up to his reputation (of being a hard-ass? tough? etc.) while most people don't.
And yes, I re-watched those clips to find the quotes. They're rather enjoyable :)
So was it a bad thing that Tywin lived up to his reputation?
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also, what if i had said that bran will probably be able to walk again. Would that be a spoiler? Especially if you knew I read the book?
I would say it's a good thing that Tywin lived up to his reputation, because Lady Olenna seemed pleased by the presence of someone she couldn't just walk all over. Being cleverer than everyone might seem cool at first, but I'm sure that shit gets boring after a little while.
Same with Tywin being pleased by her presence. Haha actually Tywin seemed so prissy when Olenna asked him if he ever partook in any shady gay activities. The way she managed to talk to him in such a casual manner without outright pissing him off was so sweet.
U know, I thought Lady Olenna sailed away in her boat because she wouldn't agree to Tywin's demands. That's a bad thing to lose the Tyrell army.
Lol, fucking Jaime. This guys cuts off his hand last time and he still can't leave without one last smartass remark.
So what are we about to see? Jaime's redemption?
So Jaime agreed to not say anything bad about Lord Bolton, does that include the guy who cut off his hand?
This episode was very meh. Best part must've been the foreplay between Jon Snow and Egrid.
Did Robert Baretheons bastard son ever get taken in the book, like it displays in the show?
Yes but there are some changes in the series. Should I pm you the spoiler?
PM me too, plz!
Tywin and Daenerys win based on accuracy and aesthetics.
Why is Sam so fucking stupid? He knows fire is works against them and swords are useless, drops the fire and uses the sword. He then randomly uses what seems to be some ancient dagger of doom, AND THEN HE LEAVES IT BEHIND!
And you just know this fatass is never gonna die, he's totally the author's self insert.
Exactly this. My jaw dropped in time with the torch falling to the ground.
At least the drunk, lecherous dwarf Tyrion again proves that he is the most noble character in the series. I'm sure they'll kill him off in some terrible way that completely undermines all that he stands for, the good of the realm, nice (appropriately aged) booty, and fine wine.
I laughed hard at Sansa allegedly still being 14. Maybe the northern giants are 14 and that tall...
Joffrey actually tried to proposition Sansa the day she got married, and still wants to torture her and use her as a fuck toy....what an asshole. That's a new low even for that little shit. That's putting aside all the other infantile and douchey things he did this episode.
I always hate the bumbling useless character who happens to slip through all dangerous scenarios. I always hope he dies but I know better than that and its not going to happen. Probably not even in Game of Thrones, authors never kill off the dimwit.
I was glad that Tyrion had the balls to threaten Joffrey and ignore his father's orders. He turned into a pussy ever since his father showed up and I am glad he went back to what he was like last season, even if for a moment.
Seriously. I can't believe he left the sword! What logical reason is there to leave behind a weapon that can take out a white walker?
Daeny has a new hot boy toy, woo! She was also slightly nicer, and not a total treacherous biatch in this episode, so that was nice. I thought she would also finally get laid by this unreasonably hot Second Sons guy when she stepped out of her tub butt naked, but I guess not. If anyone needs to get laid in this series, it's her, though. And Cersei.
But not Sansa! (How old is Tyrion? He seemed a little upset at possibly having to bed a 14 year old.)
Yeah, but I seriously doubt Joffrey even knows what sex is. I mean, he's had ample opportunity to get some, and all he does is shoot women and make them humiliate each other and stuff. Him losing his v-card (I'm guessing he hasn't already) will probably just be him sniveling and ultimately pulling an (ENDER'S GAME SPOILER) Achille's and killing whoever saw him all weak and grovelly. (/SPOILER)
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PS—I actually forgot most of the spoilers I read OVER TWO YEARS AGO and actively avoid talking about the spoilers I know about, lest anyone get raged at my conjectures.
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PPS—Tyrions was AMAZING when he confronted Joffrey.
The sex scene was funny, one second he's flaccid and the next it's like BAM, rock hard. That's not how dicks work, we require a moment.
I really have to admire Theon for suffering hours (days, weeks?) of bodily and mental torture, and STILL being able to get turned on and have sex with two random ass ladies in the middle of completely hostile territory.
BTW, wtf is the point of torturing him??? Other than to let Iwan Rheon give me nightmares...
He already said that there's no point other than he enjoys it. If anything you should ask yourself what's the point of getting his pov when it's always the same damn thing.Quote:
BTW, wtf is the point of torturing him??? Other than to let Iwan Rheon give me nightmares...
Yeah, leaving your weapon behind is the dumbest thing ever. Samuel L. Jackson was in a movie where he did that, and he made them change the scene so he could pick up the weapon, lol.
You're dumb for not being able to tell time by now! (ep not coming out for like 7 more hours)
I heard no episode today guys.
Yeah, not back till June 2 according to HBO website...
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You're dumb for not being able to tell time by now! (ep not coming out for like 7 more hours)
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Yeah, not back till June 2 according to HBO website...
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The gods are punishing me for complaining about Daeny!
Whatever, I guess I can just watch Mad Men be all slice of life.
On another note, who do you guys think the next super important character to die will be?
I hope Robb dies. He's supposedly an important figure in the war, but he seems pretty useless to us.
Game of Thrones Season 2 16-bit RPG (College Humor):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63lE2ns_vUY
Warnings:
1. Contains 16-bit sex and nudity, in that order.
2. SPOILERS from season 2.
3. In general, watch Game of Thrones YouTube videos at your own risk because comments are full of spoilers (and the videos too, sometimes).
Much funnier than GoT Season 1 16-bit RPG.
The world is frighteningly cold. Amazing performance by Catelyn Stark at the end. The theme of this episode was definitely: "so close, but yet so far away."
Holy Shit!
I knew it was over for Robb when he lost half his army, but i thought that he would be killed in battle. But this was brutal. And so quick.
I love this show.
WHAT THE FUCK?!
He kinda had it coming. You don't betray a known crotchety asshole and then try to play all nice with him as if it was a quarrel over a spilled drink or a come from behind victory in a dice game. Robb was too good natured and naive. A good man, a bad leader, but would have been an okay king.
Similarly, Catelyn was dumb to think that Frey gave a shit about his young wife. I knew he would simply say he'd get another.
Do feel bad for Arya. She almost had a chance to get another dire wolf. She'll just add another person to her stab through the eye and out the back of the skull list. On the brighter side, her journeys through the woods with The Hound are almost as good as Jaime and Brienne.
Feel only a little bad for Talisa. Robb led her right into it with more of his naiveté. Wasn't sure who is worse, Robb or Sansa. Now I know, it was Robb.
Best moment in this episode was the Second Sons guy, all up on Daeny.
Omg wtf...holy shit! This show doesn't know the meaning of mercy. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn! Orchestrated by the Lannisters too? I am not a happy camper right now :mad:. It's looking like the Stark hope is in their exceptional children. And by exceptional children, I don't mean Sansa, unless she's going into whoring or something of the sort. I'm not sure where to place John Snow in this. He is a bastard, so maybe things will improve for him since he started out with the shit end of the stick? Naw, his girl's going to feed him his own dick for ditching her.
Those fucking Lannisters just keep getting their way. I want so very much for the Starks to ruin their shit, but something tells me that by the time the two young one are ready to right the wrongs that have been done, Daenarys, her dragons, her robot legion and savage horde will already have scorched and raped them into non-existence. This is not good. I just started really liking Daenarys too but I have to hope she loses now. As much as I <3 dragons, I really, REALLY want to see Arya clear her shitlist one by bloody one.
Edit: Caitlyn's pleas were absolutely heartrending. I think that this is the first time a show or movie has every properly conveyed to me the horror felt by a mother about to lose her child. I don't think I'll be able to rewatch that episode.
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Regardless no one would alienate themselves so much if they did not have someone powerful backing them. You could not turn against the Starks, effectively antagonizing the entire north particularly given the current political climate, if you did not have someone powerful nearby backing you. Granted it could be some other faction but no one other than the Lannisters really wanted Rob Stark out of the way right now. It was in the best interests of everyone else to play the two of them off of each other. This is political suicide though.
She is the one person I can really feel it for in this series. The woman never gets a break. Brandon dies and she has to marry Ned who goes to war and comes home with someone else's son, then Jon Arryn dies and they come to take Ned away, Bran gets crippled, Ned gets executed, she believes Arya is dead and Sansa is held hostage, Rob goes to war, she manages to get her hands on both Tyrion and Jaime and has to watch them walk away, her father dies, her sister is insane and now everyone dies at her brother's wedding. Sheesh, rest in peace because life was not kind to you.
How hard would it be to send some assassins to take out some of the Lannisters? Several times Joffrey was out of the castle, he could have been speared. If Arya was able to get close enough to Tywin Lannister, why can't someone else? Do citizens of King's Landing have ID badges? If not, it wouldn't be too hard to slip in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zxSwcawvyaY
I've read the books, and i am not watching the series - but this vid is hilarious. Posting it here instead in funny vids because there might be people who haven't seen the latest ep.
Life did suck for Catelyn but let's not forget that she provided the impetus that set many of the misfortunes that befell her into motion. The initial cause of the war between Starks and Lannisters was Catelyn detaining Tyrion under suspicion of being involved with Bran's fall. Maybe if she'd been willing to keep her suspicions under wraps and play politics with them things might have shaken out differently. Of course, its possible many of the events of the series were inevitable, but we'll never know now.
That reminds me, did we ever find out the true source of that knife that was used to lay suspicion on Tyrion for the the Bran assassination plot?
Yeah it was littlefinger's, he was even the first person to identify it as such, though he claimed that he lost it in a bet to Tyrion. Somewhere during Tyrion's pleasant stay in the vale he mentioned that he did not win any bet against little finger because said bet was based upon the outcome of a joust that Jaime won and Tyrion never bets against his brother. He also mentioned that he would never be stupid enough to give an obviously incompetent assassin a knife that can so easily be traced back to him. So the one who was last in possession of the knife was littlefinger and the one responsible for the attempted Assassination of Bran was littlefinger. The only likely outcome of such a plot would have been to start a war between the Starks and the Lannisters which as we find out at the end of season one was well within littlefinger's plans. So Catelyn was nothing more than a dupe and even if she had not taken any action there would have been conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters anyway. Too many people wanted Ned gone, including Cersei. He was too moral to be bought or to turn a blind eye. Too smart and stubborn to be easily controlled and up until the end of his life, too naive to understand that that would get him killed.
Oh god, that zoom out shot of Daeny with her MASSIVE VOLUNTARY army, maturing dragons, and fuck ton of adoring former slaves who basically see her as Martin Luther King on steroids times infinity gave me goosebumps.
I wish it gave me goosebumps, but the zoom out scene wasn't that impressive for me. Her army is impressive, as it just keeps doubling and doubling.
The silence between Cersei and Jaime was pretty epic. So much was said with so few words.
yeah, I've finally joined the ranks of GoT's rabid watchers the past month.
loving every bit of it.
With daenyiers taking out every big city, doesn't it mean that the other dothraki (how to spell?) clans have much more to ransack? power vacuum and all.
The ones that follow her? It probably means that they're swallowed by the sheer scope of all her other followers and are probably insignificant by now.
Actually yeah, aren't Dothraki basically designed to love the open sandy road to the point of being primal? Way to clip off their wings, Daeny.
nope.
I mean, while Daeny is gathering troops to invade Europe, she is taking apart all the significant cities in Africa - the city with the wizards, the city with the slaves (unsullied?), and now the other city. all of those places were small dictatorships in the dessert, but had enough military to repel the dothraki clans from attacking them.
the dothraki had to go after relatively small agriculture and herding villages. but now that Daeny took the military forces from those cities, there is nothing stopping the dothraki from raiding them.
I should get the books.. I hate not knowing stuff.
My favourite part about all this is how the greatest forces at work are the one's mostly ignored by the kings and their war of thrones. They're so busy with they tiny internal strife they don't see armies of enemies literally surrounding them from every direction, immortals and dragons growing more powerful by the day.
Also Arya is so far my favourite character, followed closely by Tyrion. Here's hoping karma finds some way to get to them eventually.
I dont know, this finale wasn't as impressive as the last one. We already knew Daeny seized the city and is amassing the power to take on Westeros. I wish they would have ended this season with something shocking like the White Walkers storming the wall.
Cliff hanger endings are overrated. They ended the season on a nice note. to set up the utter madness that should be the next season. It was all about reunions. Arya gets to see Rob, Jon makes it back home, Jaime meets Cersei. the cult of Daenerys gets some new members. Good things all around. Plus Yara is headed to the north and it seems Stannis is headed there as well and there are plenty of able bodied leaderless men in the north, now that Rob is dead.
Every single time I see that opening I am reminded of Age of Empires, ha.
Yes she is destabilizing an entire continent in order to prepare herself to go attack another but she is a dragon, they destroy things. It is kind of hard to believe that someone isn't just following behind her swooping up her leftovers or that she isn't royally pissing people off. Rob left Winterfell and looked what happened there. He won a few battles which gained him a lot of notoriety and he married someone not a Frey which ultimately got him killed. Yet Daenerys is running around sacking cities, destroying evil power hungry cultist and freeing slaves not to mention the threat of dragons. It is hard to believe that she isn't turning everyone against her. The people on that side of the outside can't be that different particularly if they are used to fighting off Dothraki.
Yes it is awesome. By the time the wights and the Others(white walkers) get around to attacking Westeros, they will have mostly killed each other off from their infighting and there won't be much of them left and the Others can just swoop in while they are licking their words. The number of humans is only going to decrease and the number of wights is only going to increase since they are essentially just zombies.
Arya and Tyrion are insanely likable though. I actually like Cersei but that is mostly because Lena Headey is awesome. If I had to pick a fave it would be probably be Jon Show since he is one of the few characters in the know. Daenerys is kinda annoying and Stannis is too rigid.
I hope the Starks never have to fight Daenerys, although it would be sweet to see Bran take control of some dragons.
i hope the lannisters kill rickon in front of arya, then after her training for the special people, it is revealed she is the lord of light, and as she becomes enraged by rickon's lifeless body, she starts unleashing her fury on all the evil freys, lannisters, and boltons. and littlefinger too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9m4ZPULXJKw
Old Dude, made me lol.
that's really far away...
also, really lots of dead guys.
Here's a new poster for season 4:
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S04E01 came out this weekend. It was pretty good. Good to see the characters again, especially Arya.
I love the contrasts between the Hound and Arya's killing, one's a bulldozer and the other one is quick and clean.
Go Aria!
I wonder if the dragons are able to actually hurt and kill Daenerys.
If anyone has read the books, can you say what seasons corresponds with which books? I'm almost done with season 1 and episodes I've glimpsed from season 2 look like they're still from the first book. Or will each book be it's own multi-season series?
Season 1: A Game of Thrones
Season 2: A Clash of Kings
Season 3: A Storm of Swords part 1
Season 4: A Storm of Swords part 2 / maybe some of A Feast for Crows
Any spillover is made up pretty quickly.
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Disclaimer: I don't read the books. It's pretty obvious.
I kind of found Arya's killings more disturbing. When the Hound is doing it, it is quick and heavy slashes; almost cartoon like. When Arya does it it, it is extremely slow when she sticks the sword in and it honestly made me a little uncomfortable. Good job by the actress and the director to make it look that way.
A lot of people I know actually say that the TV series is the better story.
I've never been a source fanatic. I do believe that there are a lot of adaptations out there that are better than the source material. I cannot comment on GoT because I have not read the books though.
Thoughts?
I started reading the books midway through the third season of the TV show. I was kind of surprised how there wasn't much of a difference between the source material and the actual show (upto the end of the second season). In fact, I found most of the dialogue that I enjoyed in the show to be straight out of the book, word for word (made me redirect some of the misplaced respect I had for the show's writers towards George RR Martin). Of course, I didn't really get past reading the second book so I am not aware of how much things diverge afterwards (I stopped reading mainly because the first 2 books weren't all that different from the show).
That's the thing, the first two seasons were very consistent with the source material and so probably better than the books. But season 3 they started making changes that will impact some of the heaviest drama in this season. I'll comment on the differences after the season ends.
You should read them, if you're a fantasy novel reader and have the time. It's been a long time since I read them, but I remember [spoiler]Ned died in the first book[/spoiler], but I see him in episodes of season 2. Maybe I remember the timeline of events wrong?
Thanks to all for answering.
It's nearly unavoidable really, with a different medium. There are people to manage, since many of actors for the secondary or tertiary characters don't want to stay (or vice versa). There's the HBO slant that seems to fit in at least one extra sex scene per season. There's budget too, so the TV series can't match the book scene for scene. Plus you can't exactly do internal monologues.
Overall though, I think the adaptation is quite good. The changes they make aren't worth fussing over and haven't changed any major plot points. S04E01 was pretty enjoyable. We dove right in instead of the usual slow build-up / recap that the other first episodes had.
Having the writer of the books as an executive producer helps the adaptation stay true to the books.