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Somehow the dynamics were somewhat lacking in this episode. The pirates were underperforming and standing still while the bad guys were using their powers to the max and moving around. You'd think the other rookies would have had quite a few tricks in their pockets if they have bounties equal to Luffy. Instead they seemed to run out of them really fast unless this was just a Rocky moment of them accepting hits before really getting up (but it didn't look like that).
Also Zoro, who after beating the steel fruit guy should be able to cut anything, was having lots of trouble against a robot. Sure, the laser beams were troublesome (although they could have waited the clone runs out of batteries), but with a little bit of distraction the clone would have become scrap metal.
Nevertheless, it looks like whoever is going to make a stand against the World government should start by killing Vegapunk. The guy is serious trouble.
Also, Luffy is in Second Gear but is running at his regular speed... Actually, everything seemed to be in slow motion.
ok so kizarus really strong and has that scary speed of light thing going on... but what really creeps me out is that he looks just like my father. the mannerisms are even similar. every time i look at the guy its just plane creepy.
The pacifistas are made from a material stronger than steel, and zoro can’t cut steel with just any attack from his repertoire, the only attack zoro has that is proved to be capable of cutting steel is the one he used to beat Mr.1, and notice that was the exact same attack Zoro used against Kuma back in Triller Bark.
Also, the rookies are facing one of the three admirals, it was obvious they were going to get their asses kicked, they never stood a chance, it wouldn’t make sense considering the three admirals are the strongest forces the marines have, a force that helps to keep the balance between the imperators, the shishibukai and the marines. Remember how strong Aokiji was? Kisaru is around that level of power, the rookies still have to grow before they can compete with the legends ala Rayleigh, Kisaru, Blackbeard, Whitebeard…
I get the impression that Drake is gonna be an important character in the future what with being a former Rear-admiral and all. He knows things about the world government that none of the other pirates will know. Plus, T-Rex fruit! Hell yeah!
Scratch Apoo's power sucked. At first I thought he was a Sound Logia, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I never said Zoro should have sliced the clone with a ranged attack. That's why I said Luffy and Sanji should have distracted the robot (who never even seemed inclined to move much), and Zoro would have sneaked behind him and cut him in half. Because he can cut everything and nothing now. That was clearly stated back then. That was pretty much the whole point of the fight against Mr 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by antiravage
Haha. I never said they should have beaten the logia admiral. I merely meant at least some of them should have been able to escape. But honestly they were just standing still and taking a beating, never really trying to fight back in a convincing manner.Quote:
Also, the rookies are facing one of the three admirals, it was obvious they were going to get their asses kicked, they never stood a chance, it wouldn’t make sense…
The point of Zoro's fight with Mr. 1 was to learn to cut Steel. Not everything. I remember after the fight, before Mr. 1 lost consciousness, he asked him something like "Are you going to try and cut diamond next?", implying that he couldn't then. So he can cut Steel with that move he used to beat Mr. 1, but Pacifistas are harder than steel. It isn't surprising he can't cut that stuff easy. I mean, if it didn't work against Kuma, why would it work now?Quote:
I never said Zoro should have sliced the clone with a ranged attack. That's why I said Luffy and Sanji should have distracted the robot (who never even seemed inclined to move much), and Zoro would have sneaked behind him and cut him in half. Because he can cut everything and nothing now. That was clearly stated back then. That was pretty much the whole point of the fight against Mr 1.
You can't cut Kuma because of the repel fruit ability. It has got nothing to do with being able to cut everything. You can't cut logia types, either.
And I'm not thinking in as concrete manner as you are. When fighting against Mr. 1 Zoro was thinking back to the old lesson of being able to cut nothing. It was a fundamental part of being able to cut everything, not to cut steel. Or let's say to understand any material and thus be able to cut it. Steel as such has got nothing to do with it. It was just one important step, because normally you aren't able to cut steel. Maybe he would need to learn also to cut Pacifista's material, but that shouldn't be so hard anymore for him, after having already learned the fundamental lesson.
Besides, Zoro said he won't cut diamonds, because it would be a waste. And what would a dying man anyway know of Zoro's discoveries, even more so because Mr. 1 wasn't even a swordsman.
Kuma didn't use his fruit ability to stop Zoro's attack. Zoro did exactly what you suggested he do against the Pacifista. Come up from behind, and cut him. Zoro sliced through the clothes on his shoulder, cut down to the robotic parts, but didn't cut it off. Kuma isn't a Logia type, and he repels things with the Paws on his hands.
Plus, the idea of "cutting nothing, and cutting everything", is just that. And idea. It doesn't mean Zoro has fully mastered the concept.
Also, in the Manga, when Mr.1 asked him if he would try to cut through Diamond next, Zoro said "I don't know yet."
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/196/12/
Doesn't change anything. Even with Mr. 1 Zoro had to listen to the breath of steel to be able to cut it. And while he was concentrating on cutting steel, his sword didn't even cut the leaves of a palm. So, he would need to listen to the sound of the whatever material a Pacifista is made of to cut it. That's it, though. It doesn't matter as such what material it is, because he would be able to cut it, should he concentrate on it. Otherwise the whole revelation of the Mr. 1 fight would be rendered void, and I personally haven't been disappointed by Oda so much so far that I'd expect that to happen.
Why it could happen, though, is because this Pacifista is some sort of a clone or a robot. I don't think we will be seeing too many real people cut into pieces in a shounen show, which is why Zoro's fights don't always end like that.
And above all, I have yet to see a story where massproduced things are better than the original and so precious that they aren't scrapped in the end by the good guys.
Damn, that part when Kizaru teleported and took out one, then instantly back and facekicked the second, fucking BADASS!
An attack from the back is a shame for a Swordsman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Remember Zoro's fight with Mihawk. He said that a cut to the back is very shameful. That same pride applies when they fight. He's never cut anyone on the back through all the series. He is a direct fighter, even if the battle is hopeless.
all the supernovas are really cool i hope they arent killed off now. I think it would be really nice if instead of some shitty filler episodes they showed us a part of the journey of one of the other supernovas crews, scratch man apoo imho seems very cool and also the giant angel guy should have some interesting backstory i think. In time i guess we will hear drakes as its more than likley an important story element. I wonder how far eustaces powers go? if he realizes hes fighting a machine can he rip it to pieces with his fruit?
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We've seen Kumas with and without the paw paw fruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Fundamental does not mean "complete". It is the beginning of the idea. Cutting Mr. 1 was certainly an achievement, but Zoro cannot cut just anything. Indeed, we have seen him fail.Quote:
And I'm not thinking in as concrete manner as you are. When fighting against Mr. 1 Zoro was thinking back to the old lesson of being able to cut nothing. It was a fundamental part of being able to cut everything, not to cut steel. Or let's say to understand any material and thus be able to cut it. Steel as such has got nothing to do with it. It was just one important step, because normally you aren't able to cut steel. Maybe he would need to learn also to cut Pacifista's material, but that shouldn't be so hard anymore for him, after having already learned the fundamental lesson.
Remember, Mihawk's sword was the one famous for being able to cut anything, and Zoro is working to surpass him. It's not so surprising Zoro is weaker half way through the Grand Line. Rayleigh is supposedly 100 times stronger than Luffy...
I think you have that backwards. When he says that, he doesn't mean that he should never attack an enemy from the back, he means that he should never turn his back on his enemy, as in, never turn to run away.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
Zoro will never turn his back to the enemy, because it would make him dishonorable, but if his enemy were to do it, that's his enemies dishonor, not his.
It might be he would need to be nearing death to achieve the state of mind to learn to cut a new tougher material, but looking at how things are proceeding, he's probably soon there in any case.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopdeville
This is One Piece, man. Flesh is 100 times stronger than any Mihawk sword in this story. Zoro is eagerly looking for better swords and Mihawk has a fancy one, but it's the man holding the sword that really counts, not the sword itself. Zoro knows this as well. But having a good sword has the added benefit of being reliable and beautiful. And cool of course.Quote:
Remember, Mihawk's sword was the one famous for being able to cut anything, and Zoro is working to surpass him. It's not so surprising Zoro is weaker half way through the Grand Line. Rayleigh is supposedly 100 times stronger than Luffy...
I don't care if Zoro first pats the Pacifista on the shoulder to get him to turn to face him. The point is to get close enough to the mofo to cut him, before he vaporises you with his lasers from a distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
Edit: typo...
That's pretty much what I mean. Mihawk's sword has earned a reputation as being able to cut through anything, because of Mihawk's abilities. Zoro is still a rookie. I am just saying that despite how strong Zoro is, there is still a lot of room to grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco