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I have always been a fan of [AonE]'s (And ANBU's) English fan subbing to the exclusion of all others, but this last episodes translations were ... well ... off. This is the first time that I kept [DB]'s release over their usually spectacular work for my collection. It seemed very rushed as the translations didn't really flow well and the English was ... awkward at points. I don't mean to flame, but express a bit of concern from a fan that always enjoyed their work.
really? i didnt notice anything wrong with it, maybe i was distracted cos it was the best episode for some time, but i thought the sub was good.
keep it up AonE
Yeah, the episode was excellent ... can't question that [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
As I said, I really like AonE's other works ... just that the translations were awkward and just didn't flow well for this one. <shrug>
I'm not denying that your correct, but I don't think that we have any place to question the quality of subs.
Could we do better? No
In any case, the episode was so amazing that anything that was left to be desired in the subs were balanced out. The quality of the subs weren't enough to make me enjoy the episode any less
We should really just be glad that we still have Naruto to watch.....
Game, Set and Match: Psyke
You are so right!
thank you for opening my eyes
ive been starting to keep more and more of DB's versions myself......
there's always little things that AonE does with translations that bug me.....and im very picky about the stuff that im a big fan of
Also AssertnFailure said, I'm very picky about the stuff that im a big fan of. I usually download AonE later when I am stockpiling episodes, because they are supposed to be higher quality, but this time... lets just hope next weeks is better.Quote:
Originally posted by: Psyke
We should really just be glad that we still have Naruto to watch.....
DB definately had better word choice, "Springtime of youth" sounded much better than what AonE had. I'll be keeping the AonE sub though since i already have 1-123 in anbu-aone. I might just keep the DB version for next week if they keep up the good job, though.
Note to AonE: There doesn't need to be a sub when someone says something like "Achoo", really.
Yeah, the spring time of youth sounded much better. As did the dialog when Lee fell on his charge and then attacked.
The one thing I really didn't understand why Lee was sneezing while drunk in the AonE version.
But, I am being overly picky given that I am indeed lucky to still be able to enjoy Naruto. It's just that I have seen AonE do much better and was concerned that something had 'happened' during the whole transition of going in it alone. Figured some feedback couldn't hurt. <shrug>
Meh, I always just watch DB unless I don't get to download an episode for a while.
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Bah, sorry guys (admins/translators). I just checked the manga and both the episodes and the manga has the same translation.
I'm not sure how it is in Japanese but in Korean when translated to American sentences, its read in backwards. I suspect that this is what happened in the translationi? Could you guys confirm it? Bah I feel bad now, sorry about my lack of researching and then pointing out the "problem." If you guys could explain it to me, I'll be very thankful.
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I don't want this to be a complain or anything but for some reason this epsidoes translations weren't as good as the other episodes.
There was times where Lee said "Bokua?" which translates to "I"m?" right? Some parts it said "I" instead of "I'm." That kinda bugged me. Springtime of youth sounded better as well and in the end where the sand genins came. You guys sort of switched it around.
Temari says: "Ally of the Konoha?"
Kankuro says: "Sand"
Gaara says: "Shinobi"
but in AonE's translation, Kankuro says ninja first and then Gaara says sand. So yes, it sort of shows that you guys did the translation a lot faster than the other episodes.
I just wanted to point out the mistake. But in no doubt that so far you guys have provided excellent quality subs. I have your collection btw and will keep collecting your subs as long as Naruto's aired.
Good luck onto your future subs and once again, just wanted to show some feedbacks and my opinion. Good day.
Japanese sentences almost always directly translate into english backwards. Thats why sometimes you'll see a sentence trail off into 2 groups of text, but a distinguishable word that was said during the first group of text might not show up in the subs until the second group of text. It's a tough job of the translator to keep these significant words with the subs that correspond to them, but also keep it grammatically correct in our language.
Yea I know. Didn't mean for me to sound like as if translating is an easy job. Immigrating from Korea over here to US, I had to help my parents translate everything in korean. I know how it feels and how much work it requires.
So then, whos fault is it? Its obviously not the animators fault right? I still dont get why when Kankuro says Sand (Soona?) it comes up as Ninja. Could you explain?
in japanese its said "suna no shinobi", and in english its said "ninjas of the sand". The same way gaaras name is "sabaku no gaara", but in english it wouldnt make any sense saying "desert gaara", so we say "gaara of the desert". You could still keep the first phrase in tact by saying "sand ninjas" but that doesn't sound as good as "ninjas of the sand". Understand?
They had another 'bad one' not too long ago... I chalked it up to the crazyness of the show getting licensed and the split from ANBU
Hopefully this is only temporary... DB's getting better and better and Id hate to break up my '[Anbu&AonE]Naruto-001-123'
Err, that isn't what I asked for. I already said I know why it works backwards. All I'm wondering is when Kankuro said "Soona" the translation should've been sand but it was ninja.Quote:
in japanese its said "suna no shinobi", and in english its said "ninjas of the sand". The same way gaaras name is "sabaku no gaara", but in english it wouldnt make any sense saying "desert gaara", so we say "gaara of the desert". You could still keep the first phrase in tact by saying "sand ninjas" but that doesn't sound as good as "ninjas of the sand". Understand?
Is it just me that doesn't understand this? Eh "shrug" ok w/e.
I understand perfectly but I perfer grammatical translations as well instead of just direct translationsQuote:
Originally posted by: t Mrx8st
Err, that isn't what I asked for. I already said I know why it works backwards. All I'm wondering is when Kankuro said "Soona" the translation should've been sand but it was ninja.Quote:
in japanese its said "suna no shinobi", and in english its said "ninjas of the sand". The same way gaaras name is "sabaku no gaara", but in english it wouldnt make any sense saying "desert gaara", so we say "gaara of the desert". You could still keep the first phrase in tact by saying "sand ninjas" but that doesn't sound as good as "ninjas of the sand". Understand?
Is it just me that doesn't understand this? Eh "shrug" ok w/e.
if only 1 person said that sentence instead of split in to three people the translation would likely be spot on for y ou. However it wasnt so it seems awkward if you only translate on a per person accord.
Doing this whoever for the particular scene slightly ruins the effect Kishmoto was trying to create with the Sand nins saying the phrase in unison
Mgslee I get what your saying. I guess it basically comes down to preferences of how things are translated? Eh.. Yea I'm over it.
dude.....its because all 3 of the sand guys were saying parts of one large sentence......and so thats why they were given words that might not have literally been said by them individually, but make up the full sentence they were saying. I agree its awkward when you know what they say and it doesnt show it in the text below them, but thats what happened.
Hey but wat can we say... better enjoy naruto while we can before viz desides to pull the plug on naruto fansubs... (IF they do)
Oh yea... is anyone else's aone file different from the rest? mines is a .avi file and not a video clip...
I'm the opposite, I find if the translation is too literal, it begins looking too much like random words like some bad video game translation.Quote:
I understand perfectly but I perfer grammatical translations as well instead of just direct translations
I prefer that the MEANING of what is said is translated into something that makes sense within the context of english, otherwise the coolness of what was being said is lost in the jumble.
That said, for some reason, I just prefer seeing Lee saying "springtime of youth...I'm in the springtime of youth!!" that "I'm enjoying my youth." since the former is just sounds like one of those Gai-isms.
@Asserntfailure: I get what their saying, chill out.
@JustDaMan: Your right about that too. I mean who am I to tell them how translations should be done. From the bottom of my heart, I thank AonE for still subbing Naruto unlike ::coughANBUcough::
ALso, nope all the files are the same I think. AonE's epsidoes are all in video clip to me.
JusDaMan, did you download the file from IRC? If you did, then some copies of the file had a underscore ("_") at the end of the file. If you just rename the file by deleting the underscore, it should work. Hope I could help.
given the fact ive only been learning japanese for about a month now and missed 2 lessons due to illness i can't really comment on the translation but i have been keepin the DB subs since ep 119 mostly because i i can't be bothered to d/l them twice and don't want to wait for Aone