Sasuke vs. Naruto

ok obviously this topic has been covered before - but i looked on the entire first page and saw nothing, so now that Naruto has Rasengan and Sasuke has Chidori and his Sharingan pretty well under control who do you guys think is more powerful?

I honestly think that Sasuke is a major pussy, he only talks big and acts like a badass but he gets his face kicked in most of the time. An example of this being when he fought the transformed Gaara he was just sitting their crying. He says he's an "avenger" but really.. he's not going to beat Itachi any time soon, and look at what itachi did to him in their first meeting?

Naruto on the other pretty much did beat Kabuto, who was on the same level as Kakashi, does this mean that Naruto is already on the same level of Kakashi? And can kakashi even do the Rasengan move? i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi. Although naruto does have his bad points, what with being a loud mouth and rushing into things. He at least gets done what he says he's going to do and doesn't just talk a big game (hi sasuke)

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nevermind this i just searched for it and found topic under a different name

dotn hate sasuke but if they were to fight sasuke would win if naruto dosent summon the frog guy(forgot the name)other then that sasuke would win maybe......

it should be a wicked battle with both having their moments but with Naruto in the end coming out on top becuase well its Naruto. Sasuke would do whatever it takes to not lose to Naruto so im hoping it will be a crazy fight.

naruto will win because he has kyubi, skill wise he can't even compare to sasuke this is obvious

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Naruto on the other pretty much did beat Kabuto, who was on the same level as Kakashi, does this mean that Naruto is already on the same level of Kakashi? And can kakashi even do the Rasengan move? i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi.

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Naruto's not even close to Kakashi's level. Level isn't only determined by strong techniques and stuff, it's everything. Speed, stamina, chakra control, power, stability, intelligence, etc.

I'm really getting sick of people acting like this is DBZ! If someone beats someone on a level it doesn't mean that they are automatically as skilled as everyone on that level. Just because someone is on a certain level doesn't mean they're going to win. If the opponets jutsu has an advantage, they will more than likely win (Gaara vs. Lee).

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Originally posted by: Merezz
i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi.

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Nyet.

Just because Kabuto was nice enough to hold still for Naruto doesn't mean Naruto's a match for either him or Kakashi.

I'm sure Kakashi could master Rasengan as well should he dedicate himself to it. I have trouble believing that Naruto's fine chakra control is equal to Kakashi's.

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Originally posted by: Merezz
i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi.

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Nyet.

Just because Kabuto was nice enough to hold still for Naruto doesn't mean Naruto's a match for either him or Kakashi.

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Hold still?

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Originally posted by: Kagemane_no_Jutsu
Hold still?

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I was being facetious.

...That kind of bothered me. When naruto was sitting there, holding Kabuto, couldn't kabuto pulled ANOTHER knife out from his other hand, and stab him?

Or kick him? I mean, honestly. He EVENTUALLY hit him with that blue shit, but couldn't he have done that earlier?

This question was also already answered....the show makes it seem like it took naruto a minute or two to grab his hand and do the Rasengan, when it actually took about 10-15 seconds. He was also suprised not all people are as emotionless as you [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by: Merezz
i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi.

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Nyet.

Just because Kabuto was nice enough to hold still for Naruto doesn't mean Naruto's a match for either him or Kakashi.

I'm sure Kakashi could master Rasengan as well should he dedicate himself to it. I have trouble believing that Naruto's fine chakra control is equal to Kakashi's.

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Naruto only caught Kabuto off guard. I really doubt Kabuto was actually holding still, and that's the only reason why Naruto was able to get Kabuto with the Rasengan.

As for Kakashi, Tsunade said only Jiraiya and the Fourth was able to use it. If Tsunade and Oro cannot do it, then I really doubt Kakashi can do it either.

So Naruto has an extra move now, that does not mean he is stronger than Kakashi or Kabuto.

As far as the fight with Sasuke vs. Naruto, we should post on the other thread, but Sasuke should win the first fight... it makes it more dramatic when Naruto pounds him in the future for a rematch.

If someone grabs me by the arm, it doesn't take me 15-20 seconds to kick and/or get free.

also that was after tsunade kicked kabuto around for a while

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If someone grabs me by the arm, it doesn't take me 15-20 seconds to kick and/or get free.

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Well, im sure that he was in high shock. He most-likely didnt expect Naruto to use that technique.

I agree with the fact that DBZ style power levels are not in operation in Naruto... if Konohamaru managed to stab Jiraiya in while he was sleeping or something that would not mean he is more powerful..

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Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
I agree with the fact that DBZ style power levels are not in operation in Naruto... if Konohamaru managed to stab Jiraiya in while he was sleeping or something that would not mean he is more powerful..

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That would be funny [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by: Merezz
Naruto on the other pretty much did beat Kabuto, who was on the same level as Kakashi, does this mean that Naruto is already on the same level of Kakashi? And can kakashi even do the Rasengan move? i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi.

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okay, i want to you explain to me, step by step, how you came up with such conclusion.

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Originally posted by: Merezz
Naruto on the other pretty much did beat Kabuto, who was on the same level as Kakashi, does this mean that Naruto is already on the same level of Kakashi? And can kakashi even do the Rasengan move? i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi.

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okay, i want to you explain to me, step by step, how you came up with such conclusion.

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Well Kabuto = Kakashi... and Naruto beat Kabuto right??? That means he can take Kakashi. What part don't you get??

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Originally posted by: Merezz
Naruto on the other pretty much did beat Kabuto, who was on the same level as Kakashi, does this mean that Naruto is already on the same level of Kakashi? And can kakashi even do the Rasengan move? i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi.

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okay, i want to you explain to me, step by step, how you came up with such conclusion.

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Well Kabuto = Kakashi... and Naruto beat Kabuto right??? That means he can take Kakashi. What part don't you get??

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Okay if you want to play this game, then Kabuto beat Tsunade. Naruto beats Kabuto, Therefore Naruto is stronger than Tsunade.... wow Naruto is stronger than a hokage!! fucking amazing!!!

okok, seriously, Naruto is not in Kakashi's league... kakashi is too good for him.

Wow are these people even watching the same show as us? Seriously watch the episodes over again for the dialogue and not the action if you can't do it at once. And did you even bother to read my post? Damn.

Kakashi knows over 1000 Jutsus = closer than Naruto to become Hokage.

i cant believe there are some that believe Naruto surpassed kakashi, thats ridiculous.

Kabuto was surprised that Naruto grabbed him, im sure. If it was kakashi, Naruto would have done a rasengan on a piece of wood.

Someone should close this topic, its jus plain dumb.

Maybe it took Kabuto 15 seconds to tell his left hand to attack Naruto. He was affected by Tsunade's limb inhibitor (sp?) also, I don't know if this goes for everyone else, but me being right handed, it takes me a little bit longer to figure out how to do something with my left hand (writing left handed, trying to throw left handed and looking like an idiot). But maybe that's just me...

it takes you longer to think of throwing a punch...
it should be automatic...some one grab your right arm use a knee or your left hand...or headbutt...

naruto cannot be beaten by the likes of a jounin and kage level ninja he is just to far superior...

Sexy No Jutsu > Sandaime, Jiraiya
Harem No Jutsu > Ebisu
Chalkboard eraser > Kakashi
Rasengan > Kabuto

jhahahaha all hail the mightiest foe naruto

Perhaps due to Kabuto not taking Naruto seriously from the start of the fight, he paused when the kunai penetrated. Surprised with Naruto 1) actually having the balls to pull such a suicide move, and 2) actually doing him damage. This coming from a supposedly unskilled and undisciplined genin. I'm thinking Kabuto purposefully waited for Naruto's follow-up out of curiosity. Remember, he was first introduced as an intelligence gatherer, so this character trait is well established and would have an influence on his actions. He simply wanted to see what the loud blond kid could do, all the while believing that either he could avoid the danger or that there would be none.

So, Naruto gave Kabuto that pounding as a result of Kabuto's misjudgement. He underestimated Naruto and paid for it. Much like most of Naruto's other fights.

Now, Naruto at or even near the same level as Kabuto/Kakashi? No way. At any point Kabuto could have landed a simple nerve strike, knock Naruto out, fight over.
Skill and the wisdom to use it properly are more important than raw power, which is Naruto's meal ticket.

hmmm.. i think kabuto dun think he break free tat fast from naruto n he was doing his regenaration (right spelling?) technique so tat he can heal fast... so maybe it explains the 15-20s ... moreover naruto has weird will power to never let go... so even Kabuto was to kick Naruto away.. i dun think Naruto will be flying away like he was.. moreover kabuto was still effected by the Tsunade's nerve attack.. so it will take him longer to figure out which to part of his body to move..

hmmmm i think kakashi will be able to learn Rasengan if someone train him to... Naruto was trained to use Rasengan.. and Rasengan and Chadori are using the same basic... concentrating the chakura on the hand.. anyway i feel.. Rasengan is like the more advance version of Chadori..

And i dun believe Kakashi n Naruto is of the same level... Experience plays a huge part too.. moreover Naruto is too NOISY... i think if Kakashi and Naruto is to really get into a battle.. Naruto will be killed before he can do anything... (cause of his noise level)

it wouldnt be because of noise level...

i think naruto would win because he aint a bitch like sasuke most of the time and wen things get serious, hes up for the challenge where as sasuke questions wether hes gonna die or not like everytime the meet a strong foe.

naruto, although rash in his actions and rushes things most of the time, is the number ninja at surprising ppl after all. some of the things he thinks of are pretty clever especially for an idiot like himself lol

sasuke cant fuk wit the nine tails chakra, naruto would rape him a new asshole

my opinion..

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Originally posted by: I Sasuke I
i think naruto would win because he aint a bitch like sasuke most of the time and wen things get serious, hes up for the challenge where as sasuke questions wether hes gonna die or not like everytime the meet a strong foe.

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sasuke is smart. naruto isn't.

EDIT: look at what happened to naruto against orochimaru. orochimaru could've killed him in ten ways before naruto hit the ground. ok?

if naruto was smart also they wouldnt be living now would they cuz gaara woulda raped both of their asses

It's an attribute for Naruto to be dumb... And he sure is that... Because of that he can hold up to his ideals of how a Ninja should be, act and also how morals work for Ninjas. Because Naruto is stupid, he can keep on fighting for others knowing he might die. With Intellect, a person becomes corrupt and egoistic, keeps thinking of Nr. 1.

Edit: That is the reason you say that the higher IQ one has, the lower EQ he or she has.

this is just stupid NARUTO WINS BECAUSE OF KYUBI, SKILL WISE SASUKE WINS how is naruto gonna lose when every time he is out of chakra he gets an infinite amount back plus he's the MAIN character so there is no way sasuke will ever beat him just close this thread, naruto hitting kabuto with his rasengan has already been discussed to death

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Originally posted by: DeluxSkillz
this is just stupid NARUTO WINS BECAUSE OF KYUBI, SKILL WISE SASUKE WINS how is naruto gonna lose when every time he is out of chakra he gets an infinite amount back plus he's the MAIN character so there is no way sasuke will ever beat him just close this thread, naruto hitting kabuto with his rasengan has already been discussed to death

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So what your saying is just because Naruto has the Kyubi AND because he's the main character, he can kick literally ANYBODY's ass in the entire anime. Yeah ok. So what your then saying is that Naruto can beat the crap out of Orochimaru. But do you even remember what happened when Naruto fought him? Orochimaru beat him up and added another seal to the one the 4th gave him which knocked him out for a long time. And Naruto fought him as Kyubi Naruto (he had some control over the Kyubi but still). And so what if Sasuke is excellent skill wise? Naruto may not be a genius ninja like Sasuke but we've seen countless times Naruto using his techniques at the right time. I'm not trying to sound mean or anything but saying Naruto is the strongest just because he's the main character and has Kyubi isn't evidence enough that he can fight equally with Sasuke.

not read the second page so this may have allready been aswered but kabuto stood still as he was gathering chakra to heal himself as he knew that hed be hit, he saw the imperfected attack before and logically assumed if he gathered charka to heal himself before he wouldnt be harmed at all, that changed when he realised and what he did to counteract the attack was to tear up narutos heart muscles with that iron hand technique thing

But however you put it, Naruto will pwn Sasuke anytime [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] , like, bend over Sasuke.

Rasengan is much more Chakra effective and can be used far more times (or at least by Naruto) then Chidori. Ofc , winning doesnt involve technique versus technique only, but is also about strategic positioning.
And however dumb Naruto may seem, he wins most of his fights by making a strategic move. Which alot of you apparently missed. Sasuke never used any trickery, only head on offense. Even during the "get my bell match" that introduced them to Kakashi. Even there, Naruto came up with a plan, maybe not as brilliant as Shikemaru, but instinctively alot better then Sasuke could ever invent. Sasuke is into being strong, not into being smart. (although he was supposed to be the smartest of his class..wonder how he got that position ....)

besides ..his attitude is gay, so no winning for him ~~

sasuke would win this fight.
Naruto is to bad with he's basic combat moves
and it dosent matter that naruto has rasengan because he will never
get the chance to punch him with it.

He used to be bad with his basic combat moves yeah..I doubt that still counts ..

c'mon are all of you morons!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????? WTF isn't it obvious naruto would win he should've lost against neji who was way more powerful and what happens he gets powered up by the kyubi so what does that tell you??? it tells you as long as naruto is the main character of the show he's not gonna die or lose in a REAL battle, SASUKE is superior in everyway but against kyubi chakra he's just a little bitch nothing to do about it because believe it or not Sasuke is just a secondary character they can dispose of whenever they want, now i'm not gonna argue any longer just wait till the anime catches up to where the manga is right now and you'll find out, NARUTO will beat sasuke in a fight purely because he has the kyubi's chakra, they can be hokages or whatever against the full power of the kyubi not even a kage can win, Sasuke couldn't even win against Gaara what makes you think he'll win against naruto, sasuke was winning when gaara wasn't using his demon powers but when he started to transform sasuke got owned same happens when naruto starts using kyubi chakra he'll kick sasuke's ass so ba dit won't even be funny

I ..think..thats spoiling ..

we are just being hypothetical my friend, where you get your facts is up to you, but do not spoil it for others.

Naruto would obviously win since no matter how the fight went he would just either use Kyubi's chakra or fart and claim victory in the end.

*Sighs*

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Naruto would obviously win since no matter how the fight went he would just either use Kyubi's chakra or fart and claim victory in the end.

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LMAO woot go fart smell!

the only thing that is obvius is that
naruto will only win becase his the main character/luck
he do not have the skill to beat sasuke in combat atleast not yet

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Originally posted by: Hinata <3
the only thing that is obvius is that
naruto will only win becase his the main character/luck
he do not have the skill to beat sasuke in combat atleast not yet

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i dont think thats true.. i think naruto has been holding back on all his battles because he hasnt felt threatened enough to use his true power.. wat he displayed wen he fought haku was unbelieveable
i think hes sorta similar to gaara in the way he can let the nine tails take full control of him. like wen he used nine tails chakra against haku, he went beserk and i dont think he had more control over it than he had in more recent episodes wen he released it. his speed and power would be greater than sasukes by far.. that is if he was pushed enough to go that crazy like he did on haku

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Originally posted by: ?igma
I ..think..thats spoiling ..

we are just being hypothetical my friend, where you get your facts is up to you, but do not spoil it for others.

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i'm not spoiling anything i'm just saying wait till the anime catches up then they'll understand why naruto will win in any fight

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Originally posted by: ?igma
I ..think..thats spoiling ..

we are just being hypothetical my friend, where you get your facts is up to you, but do not spoil it for others.

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i'm not spoiling anything i'm just saying wait till the anime catches up then they'll understand why naruto will win in any fight

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You're just not good at this, are you?

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Originally posted by: Hinata <3
the only thing that is obvius is that
naruto will only win becase his the main character/luck
he do not have the skill to beat sasuke in combat atleast not yet

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i dont think thats true.. i think naruto has been holding back on all his battles because he hasnt felt threatened enough to use his true power.. wat he displayed wen he fought haku was unbelieveable
i think hes sorta similar to gaara in the way he can let the nine tails take full control of him. like wen he used nine tails chakra against haku, he went beserk and i dont think he had more control over it than he had in more recent episodes wen he released it. his speed and power would be greater than sasukes by far.. that is if he was pushed enough to go that crazy like he did on haku

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You have a ponit with that but i still think that sasuke will win.
one thing is naruto is to mentaly week do fight sasuke because thier past grudge.
Sasuke would only say something to make naruto nagry and he will get careless i allways.
And if it would happend that Naruto would got "the lead" in the fight Sasuke woulg go crazy also.

If i should be really honest i dont really know ho would win, but the powers they have show i think that sasuke would win. If he can hit naruto with his chidori, rasengan is out of the question naruto is to bad at his basics

The majority of the people arguing over nothing in this thread are noobs. So next time you make one of these say noobs only, cause its just going to annoy the hell out of the ones who know whats going on in the anime and pay attention to the dialogue and tnot just the fight scenes. ONCE AGAIN, THIS ISNT DBZ PEOPLE THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION!

sasuke can go crazy emontionally, not physically. everytime that cursed seal comes up he gets fuked up and starts to get pain.. i dont kno how he got all that power the first time against those sound nins but every other time it resurfaced it was only trouble for him

but yea that chidori would fuk him up pretty bad. it would be a good fight. but naruto on top in the future definitely because he has way more potential

I think this would be the best way to say what many people are saying:

Naruto will beat any character near his level due to the fact he has Kyuubi and that he is the main character.

Naruto will be pwned by anyone who is Jounin level or above, Kabuto getting hit was some freak of nature, him gathering chakra to regenerate or whatever you want to call it.

Naruto is NOT anywhere near Kakashi's level, or in fact any Jounin's level.

Naruto vs Sasuke: This would obviously be a close fight but due to the first reason I mentioned Naruto would win. If that wasn't the case, the Sasuke would win, since he now not only has chidori which can balance of Naruto's rasengan if you get what I mean, but he still has those basic fire Jutsu, which are like his answer in Jutsu terms to Kage Bunshin. Naruto wouldn't be able to do squat with Kuchiose no Jutsu, since he hasn't shown that he can summon anyone other than Gamabunta or the little twerps, he can't control his chakra well enough yet. Even if he did pull out Gamabunta, and considering that he did obey Naruto, he would not be able to fight Sasuke because it would simply be an incorrect match up... a massive summon trying to take on one fighter... what would he do... flatten the entire area to find Sasuke? To top things off, Sasuke also now can fight at high speed using his taijutsu and if he really got desperate he could ue the power of the cursed seal for a final attack. Oh yeah, I forgot to say that he also has his Sharingan of course, which would mean that he would be able to avoid being hit Naruto almost certainly all the time. Also, Sasuke is more tactically aware than Naruto.

For Naruto to beat Sasuke, he would need to become more tactically adept to fighting... in other words get smarter, and he could still do it with the current techinques he has. Though even then I would doubt it.

Edit: And oh yeah, Naruto needs to improve his chakra control in order to fully utilize his techniques, especially Kuhiose no Jutsu.

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The majority of the people arguing over nothing in this thread are noobs. So next time you make one of these say noobs only, cause its just going to annoy the hell out of the ones who know whats going on in the anime and pay attention to the dialogue and tnot just the fight scenes. ONCE AGAIN, THIS ISNT DBZ PEOPLE THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION!

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LOL, we are have a argument about a fight that hasent been yet
its like a bet on fotball game [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

wich will win Mancheser U or Arsenal
lol, this has nothing to do with if someone skipps the dialogue adn takes ff
to the fight, is anyone enen thinking that way ?
does it come from self experince or?

dont diss dbz, dbz is the shit... all fighting anime originated from it one way or another.. and there still isnt nutin wrong with it til this day. imo.

harem no jutsu...
sasuke is a pervert..
he is male!!

ok ok ?

This is ridiculous. There is no way Sasuke could win. Naruto would probably take some heavy beating but would still be victorious in the end. I mean, have you forgotten about Gaara? Sasuke didn't stand a chance against the might of Gaara but Naruto did, he even beat him. Remember the look on Sasukes face when Gaara and Naruto clashed? Pure horror.
Also consider this. Lee fought Gaara pretty even, won a prefight against Sasuke and said the strongest genin is Neji. Neji got beaten by Naruto.

When measuring basic skills Sasuke clearly surpass Naruto, but it's the other way around when raw power is to be measured. Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against the Nine Tail chakra.

True but being the strongest doesn't mean that you will always win, and that's what we are talking about here... who would win in a fight.

So you claim that Sasuke could win when Naruto unleash all hells using the Nine Tail chakra?
Gaara, Neji and to some extent Kabuto have fallen to Naruto. Who have fallen to Sasuke?

Because this matchup is hypothetical and not in the series (as far as I know) then the standard rules of "Naruto always wins because of blah blah blah" don't apply.

Here are some points that I'd like to make:

1) Sasuke is MUCH smarter than Naruto. I don't care how tricky Naruto has been in the past, the guy's got the intelligence of a brick.

2) Sasuke is MUCh faster than Naruto.

3) Naruto has no way of blocking the Chidori. He doesn't have sand to protect him, he's not fast enough to dodge, and unlike Itachi, any attempt at grabbing Sasuke's hand would just be amusing.

4) Naruto's victory against Kabuto was luck. There could have been any number of ways that Kabuto could have gotten away, but he didn't. Kabuto's not the kind of guy who hesitates or makes many mistakes.

I believe that he took the rasengan on purpose to guage it's strength. An example of this happening before would be when he took Dosu's attack right before the chuunin exam. Plus, he thought he could heal his way out anyway.

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So you claim that Sasuke could win when Naruto unleash all hells using the Nine Tail chakra?
Gaara, Neji and to some extent Kabuto have fallen to Naruto. Who have fallen to Sasuke?

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First of the only person Sasuke has fought of any importance lately is Gaara, and Naruto beat him because of Gamabunta. Gamabunta would be usless against Sasuke, as I have explained before.

As for Naruto unleashing Kyuubi hell, all Naruto can do using Kyuubi chakra is summon Gamabunta and increase him speed as he did aginst Neji. Sasuke is way faster than Neji, and just as Neji could see Naruto with his Byakugan, Sasuke could see him with his Sharingan. Sasuke would be able to match Naruto at Kyuubi speed easily, and if he uses chidori at that speed well then it's good night Naruto.

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all Naruto can do using Kyuubi chakra is summon Gamabunta and increase him speed as he did aginst Neji.

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Not to mention gain monstrous strenght and incredible regeneration. Let's just face it, Sasuke would not be able to beat Naruto because Naruto is a character which is designed to beat them all in the end. This is also why I hate Naruto as a character. He's dumb, he's ugly, and he's got no skills. Yet he always win.

Naruto didn't gain monstrous strength against Neji, only against Haku. And Haku wasn't fighting all out against Naruto and Sasuke anyway. As for regeneration, he can only regenerate so fast, and if he for example gets his head chopped off there is no way he is going to regenerate his way out of that.

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Because this matchup is hypothetical and not in the series (as far as I know) then the standard rules of "Naruto always wins because of blah blah blah" don't apply.

Here are some points that I'd like to make:

1) Sasuke is MUCH smarter than Naruto. I don't care how tricky Naruto has been in the past, the guy's got the intelligence of a brick.

2) Sasuke is MUCh faster than Naruto.

3) Naruto has no way of blocking the Chidori. He doesn't have sand to protect him, he's not fast enough to dodge, and unlike Itachi, any attempt at grabbing Sasuke's hand would just be amusing.

4) Naruto's victory against Kabuto was luck. There could have been any number of ways that Kabuto could have gotten away, but he didn't. Kabuto's not the kind of guy who hesitates or makes many mistakes.

I believe that he took the rasengan on purpose to guage it's strength. An example of this happening before would be when he took Dosu's attack right before the chuunin exam. Plus, he thought he could heal his way out anyway.

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On what do you base your points ? Naruto is , maybe instinctively, but still so, way smarter, there has not been 1!!!! example of Sasuke being smart!~!!!??

And maybe you didnt notice, but blocking chidori isnt really needed, because he could just dodge the damn thing. Sasuke is a real expert at slowly creating a chidori, its not asif he does it in 1 second or some. Naruto got lots of time to prep a couple thousand clones and then just build up some chidori's on each one of them.

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So you claim that Sasuke could win when Naruto unleash all hells using the Nine Tail chakra?
Gaara, Neji and to some extent Kabuto have fallen to Naruto. Who have fallen to Sasuke?

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First of the only person Sasuke has fought of any importance lately is Gaara, and Naruto beat him because of Gamabunta. Gamabunta would be usless against Sasuke, as I have explained before.

As for Naruto unleashing Kyuubi hell, all Naruto can do using Kyuubi chakra is summon Gamabunta and increase him speed as he did aginst Neji. Sasuke is way faster than Neji, and just as Neji could see Naruto with his Byakugan, Sasuke could see him with his Sharingan. Sasuke would be able to match Naruto at Kyuubi speed easily, and if he uses chidori at that speed well then it's good night Naruto.

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Perhaps you didn't notice but Naruto fought pretty evenly for a while against Gaara without Gamabunta and managed to damage him. This Sasuke failed to do. It wasn't until Gaara turned completely that Naruto summoned Gamabunta.

Also I don't think that Gamabunta would be useless against Sasuke, it's just a matter of terrain.

Let's say Naruto would just half turn to the Nine Tails in a similiar way as Gaara did. If the fight had to be brought to that level, how could a mere human child with sharingan compete with Nine Tails? Seriously, this is ridiculous.

ok as for the whole "naruto can't beat kakashi you're a n00b for saying that".. Well - i'm pretty sure this isn't a video game so i can't be a "n00b" at having an oppinion, and secondly, there is no reason to say Naruto is the main character so he can beat anyone. Lets look at the facts here. Kakashi and Kabuto are obviously more skilled than Naruto that isn't even a thought. BUT, Naruto has much more potential than both Kakashi and Kabuto - this should not even be an argument, because of his willpower, and raw power capabilities. It is only a matter of time before Naruto gains more basic skill than Sasuke. Sure Sasuke got most intelligent in his class or whatever, but that doesn't determine crap. Naruto has gained so much more actual experience in battle than sasuke has, and not only that, but Sasuke has been sleeping for such a long time that Naruto MUST have gained some edge on him in chakra control. You guys are all forgeting that Rasengan was a technique that Jiraya taught Naruto to test his control of Chakra, even though Naruto had to develop a new way of doing it, he still MASTERED the skill in a matter of a week. The forth took much much MUCH more time than that to master the technique. Sasuke took more time to master a skill of less power (a month without showing, and was even late to the fight).

Anyway, chill on the flames.. if you don't have a response to the question besides saying something like "you're stupid go away hahahha omg i'm 1337, i am teh pwn" then don't say anything at all.

Naruto would hand Saskue his ass on a nice silver platter. First off, the development stage has drastically changed since there training in the forest (when they were running up trees) Naruto has become more powerful while Saskue lingers.

Secondly look who's training Naruto. A Sannin. He can now pass on all the technique's he has learned from the Third. Saskue does have Kakashi, but he is no Sannin. Let's look at the technique's Naruto now has mastered because of Jiraiya. He can summon the Frog boss Gambunta, and has recently learned the Rasengan. IMO; the Rasengan is more powerful than the Chidori. Saskue has learned what ? The chidori and that's it from Kakashi. I think Kakashi will train Saskue on how to properly use the Sharingan now.

This is a no contest fight. Naruto wins easily.

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Because this matchup is hypothetical and not in the series (as far as I know) then the standard rules of "Naruto always wins because of blah blah blah" don't apply.

Here are some points that I'd like to make:

1) Sasuke is MUCH smarter than Naruto. I don't care how tricky Naruto has been in the past, the guy's got the intelligence of a brick.

2) Sasuke is MUCh faster than Naruto.

3) Naruto has no way of blocking the Chidori. He doesn't have sand to protect him, he's not fast enough to dodge, and unlike Itachi, any attempt at grabbing Sasuke's hand would just be amusing.

4) Naruto's victory against Kabuto was luck. There could have been any number of ways that Kabuto could have gotten away, but he didn't. Kabuto's not the kind of guy who hesitates or makes many mistakes.

I believe that he took the rasengan on purpose to guage it's strength. An example of this happening before would be when he took Dosu's attack right before the chuunin exam. Plus, he thought he could heal his way out anyway.

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On what do you base your points ? Naruto is , maybe instinctively, but still so, way smarter, there has not been 1!!!! example of Sasuke being smart!~!!!??

And maybe you didnt notice, but blocking chidori isnt really needed, because he could just dodge the damn thing. Sasuke is a real expert at slowly creating a chidori, its not asif he does it in 1 second or some. Naruto got lots of time to prep a couple thousand clones and then just build up some chidori's on each one of them.

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Did you completely skip the first 40 episodes of the anime? Naruto is a moron. He can't seem to do anything right without a lot of trial and error. Emphasis on error. I'm not a big fan of Sasuke, but the guy was consistantly outshining Naruto in everything they've tried together (with the exception of tree-climbing, which was pretty even).

For one thing, I don't think we need to argue that Naruto's book smarts aren't exactly top-notch. Every subject that's been brought up has had to be explained to him by Sakura, Kakashi, or some other character. This includes advanced bloodlines, the chakra circulatory system, and even chakra in general.

Sasuke demonstrate his intelligence (I'm not saying he's super smart, but at least smarter than the average rock, which is more than I can say for Naruto) in many situations. This includes his dealing with the entrance to the chuunin exam sign-ups, the fake Narutos in the chuunin exam, his paranoid, but completely justified precautions during said exam, his dealing with rogue ninjas in the second Naruto special, and any number of other small factors spaced throughout the series. Also, there is a reason why he graduated at the top of his class. I'm sure that this fact was not just thrown into the anime to annoy Naruto.


As for dodging the chidori, maybe you didn't realize the tremendous difference in speed between the two of them. If there's going to be any dodging, it's not going to come from Naruto. Hell, I can't think of a single time in the series when Naruto actually dodged anything (I'm sure I could think of something with a little time to think, but it's elusive).

Neji didn't have any trouble kicking the crap out of all the kage bunshins, and Sasuke is considerably faster. Hell, with his speed, Sasuke doesn't even need the chidori.

Also, everyone's bringing up the Kyuubi. Naruto seems to have trouble gathering that power without first getting his ass handed back to him for most of the episode (or more than one episode). The same goes for summoning and the rasengan. He's been luck so far in that the enemy has always just toyed with him. If someone just stuck a knife in him right away, we wouldn't have to worry about any of his killer moves.


As for the healing factor. This also has been demonstrated to be useless if there is massive trauma to the heart (as Kabuto explained). A simple kunai (or chidori) to the chest would end the fight immediately.

About the monstrous strength that Naruto gets with Kyuubi, maybe you don't remember when he used it against Orochimaru. That fight lasted about 10 seconds when Oro busted out his tongue and just lifted Naruto up. Naruto is not invincible when he's powered up. He's just tougher. This is also demonstrated hin his head-on collision with Neji's kaiten. Both of them took a lot of damage there.


I'm not professing to be an expert or anything, but I'm willing to debate on any particular points you bring up. I'm also not saying that Sasuke is in any way better than Naruto, just that if they fought, my money would be on the Uchiha.

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Let's not talk about who's got a better teacher right now. Sure, Jiraiya is probably better than Kakashi. This doesn't mean anything at the moment, because he's only taught Naruto summoning and the rasengan. Naruto is inconsistant at best with either of these. In fact, he's only been successful on maybe 1% of his attempts.

If your argument is that eventually Naruto will be better, then I agree 100%. But not now.

dodging chidori is right out of the question......
the only way someone can dodge a chidori attack is if they are
A) faster than them or
B) has a better sharingan than them

the point of the chidori, is its a full head-on attack that relies on the sharingan for quick adjustments based on whatever the enemy is doing.
If naruto tries to move to the side, sasuke can easily see it with his sharingan.

Cmon. If a really dumb person, someone I didn't expect to grab my right hand, grabs it. I wouldn't stand there, staring at him for that long. These guys are supposed to have years and years of experience in some such situations. I don't believe he would stand there, stunned, waiting for some kid to shove a giant blue ball in my stomache.

That was just stupid.

so what is the conclusion i already stated 2 pages back or so, sasuke would win if naruto didn't have the kyubi, the only way naruto is gonna die is when kishimoto wants him to die and as explained the main hero can not die without the story ending so sasuke will get his ass kicked and handed to him, it's very unfair but sasuke fans will have to deal with it sasuke will never win in a fight against naruto period

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this is just stupid NARUTO WINS BECAUSE OF KYUBI, SKILL WISE SASUKE WINS how is naruto gonna lose when every time he is out of chakra he gets an infinite amount back plus he's the MAIN character so there is no way sasuke will ever beat him just close this thread, naruto hitting kabuto with his rasengan has already been discussed to death

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your a complete edit, remember in the chunnin exam, when naruto had the seal on him thus he was unable to use the chakra from kyubi, he won Vs that guy with his dog.

stop posting cos your making urself look like an idiot

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this is just stupid NARUTO WINS BECAUSE OF KYUBI, SKILL WISE SASUKE WINS how is naruto gonna lose when every time he is out of chakra he gets an infinite amount back plus he's the MAIN character so there is no way sasuke will ever beat him just close this thread, naruto hitting kabuto with his rasengan has already been discussed to death

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your a complete edit, remember in the chunnin exam, when naruto had the seal on him thus he was unable to use the chakra from kyubi, he won Vs that guy with his dog.

stop posting cos your making urself look like an idiot

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so he won against kiba what does that say that even without kyubi chakra somehow naruto won that battle of course there's where the main character shit comes in he won because he was the main character you're a moron don't insult me when you only got here to do so it's your first EDIT post, if you actually pay attention to what i said you would't have opened your mouth, you see conveniently jiraiya appears before the naruto vs neji fight and removes the seal naruto is obviously losing the fight and what happens the kyubi's chakra blows open his chakra holes and lets him win this battle so why does my statement make me a complete edit?

it's very obvious that naruto will win practically any battle just because he has the power of the kyubi you can jump high and low but a fact is a fact every time it seems like naruto is losing the kyubi pops up and shares some of his chakra with him, now in the worst case scenario naruto gets blown to pieces what happens kyubi regenerates naruto's body breaks lose and kills everybody around....now if naruto was to be matched up against sasuke without the kyubi powers he would LOSE because naruto is in no way as skilled as sasuke is but to bring all of you back to reality the Kyubi does excist and it will pump chakra to naruto when he's about to lose so he will always win

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this is just stupid NARUTO WINS BECAUSE OF KYUBI, SKILL WISE SASUKE WINS how is naruto gonna lose when every time he is out of chakra he gets an infinite amount back plus he's the MAIN character so there is no way sasuke will ever beat him just close this thread, naruto hitting kabuto with his rasengan has already been discussed to death

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your a complete edit, remember in the chunnin exam, when naruto had the seal on him thus he was unable to use the chakra from kyubi, he won Vs that guy with his dog.

stop posting cos your making urself look like an idiot

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so he won against kiba what does that say that even without kyubi chakra somehow naruto won that battle of course there's where the main character shit comes in he won because he was the main character you're a moron don't insult me when you only got here to do so it's your first EDIT post, if you actually pay attention to what i said you would't have opened your mouth, you see conveniently jiraiya appears before the naruto vs neji fight and removes the seal naruto is obviously losing the fight and what happens the kyubi's chakra blows open his chakra holes and lets him win this battle so why does my statement make me a complete edit?

it's very obvious that naruto will win practically any battle just because he has the power of the kyubi you can jump high and low but a fact is a fact every time it seems like naruto is losing the kyubi pops up and shares some of his chakra with him, now in the worst case scenario naruto gets blown to pieces what happens kyubi regenerates naruto's body breaks lose and kills everybody around....now if naruto was to be matched up against sasuke without the kyubi powers he would LOSE because naruto is in no way as skilled as sasuke is but to bring all of you back to reality the Kyubi does excist and it will pump chakra to naruto when he's about to lose so he will always win

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that reply just made you look like a bigger dumb ass. first of all ive been reading these forums for months or so now. i just never post despite the amount of fuckwits here. some posts are actually worth reading. but you stated. and ill quote it again

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this is just stupid NARUTO WINS BECAUSE OF KYUBI

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we are not talking about the fight between naruto and neji. and we all know jiraiya didn;t APPEAR, he was already in the village "gathering infomation" and narto bumped into him. if he appeared there would have been a cloud of smoke and 3 episodes of talking.

please do yourself a favour and put a bullet in ur head cos your honest to god a complete dumbass

People seem to be forgetting the episode where Saskue recaps in his mind Naruto and Gaara's battle. He says so himself that Naruto keeps getting stronger, and that he fears he won't

Naruto would win. Period. Saskue is smart, and fast but he cannot withstand both Nartuo technical power and endurance.

your the dumbass here kiba is obviously a character you can forget about he was weak if he could be defeated by naruto without kyubi power he isn't even worth talking about, so are you gonna prove me wrong that naruto isn't cpable of defeating all his opponents because of the kyubi because if you can please do so...if naruto uses all of kyubis powers he can beat anyone...the subject was naruto vs sasuke so i stated naruto wins because of kyubi which is a fact so what are you gonna tell me that sasuke can beat the kyubi's chakra?

mm naruto doesnt get infinite amt of chakra

he used kyuubi chakra once against gaara then they said both he and gaara were out of chakra [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

if he was about to die kyubi would've shot another blast of chakra trough his body so what you said doesn't make sense, some things the characters say can be taken serious and some can't do you think the kyubi is gonna stand by and let his container die? if the container dies he dies no way in hell if i was the kyuubi would i let that happen even if i had to push all of my chakra out of him

This is why i said "close this thread"

"if he was about to die kyubi would've shot another blast of chakra trough his body so what you said doesn't make sense, some things the characters say can be taken serious and some can't do you think the kyubi is gonna stand by and let his container die?"

you're basing your response on an oppinion, yet acting out as if it was a fact. We do not know if Kyubi chakra is infinate or not. that's my first point
Second of all, you say that because Naruto beat someone without using Kyubi he's automatically weak? That's the most moronic thing i've ever heard. Throwing all this main character bullshit out the window because obviously you don't think about that in an argument, i didn't go to see the movie Rocky because i knew rocky was going to win since the movie was named after him. That's not always how things work first of all. Sasuke is just not as powerful as Naruto as the show currently stands. My reasons for this?
1. Sasuke has the sharingan, BUT does not even know how to use it to it's full potential at his current state, there for giving him only a minor edge on Naruto (taking into consideration Naruto's advantages of having Kyubi in him at the same time)

2. Naruto's willpower is FAR greater than Sasuke. Sasuke's only reason for being a ninja it seems is to kill his brother, it's what makes him tick, it is his entire world. when fighting Naruto, do you not think that Sasuke will be thinking of how he must live to kill his brother? because he's an "avenger" he has a strong desire, but when in the face of danger, Sasuke is too "smart" as some of you said to go head on with it. This could give him an edge, but the fact that he doesn't know how Naruto would react in certain situations he can't make any quick judgements, which would give him a disadvantage.

3. Someone said that Naruto's regeneration power wouldn't help. If you remember correctly, Kabuto told Tsunade that Naruto wouldn't be able to move or do anything at all because his heart was destroyed. Shortly after that was said she started to cry and a tear landed on his chest, it then flashed over to a scene with Kyubi growling or whatever and naruto began to flinch a bit again, showing that he was ALREADY beginning to regenerate from what would otherwise be a fatal attack.

4. Stop living in the shows past, Naruto was a stupid ass, he did bad in school, he jumped to conclusions and caused problems for the team. But if you haven't noticed lately, naruto isn't even part of that team (at least for the last 10-20 episodes) You can say it's because Kakashi wanted to train sasuke alone (and yes this is true, but only because of his sharingan) One could make the argument that Kakashi isn't good enough to teach Naruto anymore because of such a difference in personalities, where as Naruto is a perfect fit for Jiraiya, making his training move faster. Don't say shit like "sasuke is better at chakra control" cause that's not true. sasuke WAS better at chakra control, but did you miss the entire point of how Rasengan is a highly developed chakra control technique... which is WHY Naruto learned it.

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your the dumbass here kiba is obviously a character you can forget about he was weak if he could be defeated by naruto without kyubi power he isn't even worth talking about, so are you gonna prove me wrong that naruto isn't cpable of defeating all his opponents because of the kyubi because if you can please do so...if naruto uses all of kyubis powers he can beat anyone...the subject was naruto vs sasuke so i stated naruto wins because of kyubi which is a fact so what are you gonna tell me that sasuke can beat the kyubi's chakra?

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well in all the fights when naruto used the chakra of kyubi, it was shown but during the fight vs Kabuto we did not see naruto use the power of kyubi so whats to say he used it? remember he has 2 types of chakra, his own, which he uses 100% of when he uses resegan(sp?) and when he uses all of his chakra he uses the chakra of kyubi, so now, again i quote you

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this is just stupid NARUTO WINS BECAUSE OF KYUBI

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naruto won against Kabuto, without using kyubi
naruto won against the dog fella, without using kyubi.

now kabuto is ment to be equal with kakashi, so what your saying is that even tho naruto will not win against kakashi (without kyubi)
but can win against Kabuto (without kyubi)
naruto stands a good chance of winning vs kakashi (with kyubi)

ur comment about naruto winning because of kyubi was stupid and thus ur stupid.

Look of course Naruto has improved since the whole Chunnin exam started but that doesn't mean he is better than Sasuke... he was so far behind to start with! Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Sasuke fan boy I'm just trying to come out with a rational conclusion. Obviously Naruto will eventually be better than Sasuke... that's why the show is called Naruto and not Sasuke.

As for him defeating Kiba without Kyuubi, Kiba was an unheard of fighter skill wise, he only managed to get pumped up using a food pill if I can remember (or he gave it to Akamaru). If Naruto didn't beat him he might as well start sparring with Udon to improve.

And Naruto hasn't mastered the Rasengan and his chakra control is still crap, that's why he has to do it using two hands. If his chakra control was good he would just use one hand, like Jiraiya does. Personally I don't see why Sasuke wouldn't be able to copy it with his Sharingan, unless it requires alot of stamina to do in which case Sasuke won't be able to do it.

Also remember the Rasengan itself takes a few seconds to actually start damaging the opponent, unlike Chidori which is lethal as soon as it touches you.

The fact that a Sanin is teaching Naruto means nothing, it's Naruto who is going to fight at the end of the day not Jiraiya. For all you know Kakashi could be more skilled than Jiraiya its just that Jiraiya had naturally a greater chakra capacity than Kakashi (Just saying hypothetically). It's just like (Ok no one kill me here lol) the case between Sasuke and Sakura... there is no contest as to who would win in a fight between them but Sakura has better chakra control than Sasuke, she could potentially be a better teacher than him because she knows how to control chakra better and hence could provide more detail (sorry off topic I know).

Edit: Merezz - Your point 3.... come on! Kyuubi was like 'Eh??? What's goin on????' not like 'Bwahahahaaaa another minor attempt at trying to kill me!'. It was Tsunade that healed Naruto, not Kyuubi.

OK, i have not even reached the 4th page because i wanted to see how long i can go before this topic tries my patience. I understand I am the new guy around, but since i can't work at my pic of kakashi or my character since this pc has none of my files, and my bro is using the laptop to watch a DVD i decided i would see what everyone seems to be discusing.

1) I found it funny that anyone would consider just because Naruto got a lucky shot on Kabuto he is officialyl equal to Kabuto or Kakashi ... this has been discused already in this convo to death, expecially since Kagemane_no_Jutsu first post kinda answered all of that. I didn't understand why that topic never stopped there but hey *shrugs* it was funny to read the other ideas.

2) Sasuke VS Naruto - this is kinda of being balanced on a knifes edge, or however the saying goes. My opinion is, Sasuke would win in a match against Naruto, not Kyubbi, remember, Kyubbi's chakra isn't natural. Naruto wasn't born with it so stop talking about that, its an unfair advantage in the whole series, and he can't control it worth a shit. The reason Sasuke would win is simple, he is not as strong in chakra, or physically, but Sasuke is faster, more agile, he can think more clearly - not as well as Shikamaru but well enough - and lets not forget, he has fought side by side with Naruto enough times to know most of his techniques, and how he thinks. The only reason Naruto win's each battle is because yes he is the main character, but go beyond that, don't say, just because he is a main character he lives forever, I say, try and think as each character, each genin and each chunin are sort of equal in standards to the Naruto in respect as a character, then go from there. He beat Naji because Naji underestimated him, Sasuke dosen't.

3) I believe someone put Sasuke is a pussy, hmm, let me see, the guy thinks his soul reason for living is to kill Itachi, think about that for a moment ... to me it seems that there trying to tell us that the reason he falls apart is because of that, Sasuke believes he can only live so live so he can kill Itachi, nothing else, and by him seeing his own death, he freaks out. He is the last of the Uchia's, and to him with his death, he believes his bloodline and clan dies with him.

Now, I am not trynig to be an ass and demand someone to shut this thread, personnaly its not all that bad, but atleast consider that much and be civil about it. I am just stating my opinon, and I don't wan't to be seen as an ass.

Oh, and btw, if anyone has seen ep 98, when Tsunade was talking to Kakashi, was I the only one that felt sorry for the guy, like common, he's fighting against an S-type Ninja, and a master of Sharengen ... lol though it was funny to see him so submissive.

Anyway, peace guys, and keep her civil, and I wish my bro gets off my laptop so I can finish Kakashi ... I have basically forgot about my own character because of that drawing lol.

chidori takes a long time to set up and can only be done 2-3 times by Sasuke before he is screwed. Rasengan can't be copied because it isn't a bunch of seals that are moved, it's about chakra control, Sasuke can't see chakra moving - Neji can

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chidori takes a long time to set up and can only be done 2-3 times by Sasuke before he is screwed. Rasengan can't be copied because it isn't a bunch of seals that are moved, it's about chakra control, Sasuke can't see chakra moving - Neji can

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sasuke copied rock lee's style of fighting and if i remember correctly even the anime controdicts its self because rocklee said it cannot be copied but kakashi said he copied it,

and its not using hand seals either. now im lost :/

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chidori takes a long time to set up and can only be done 2-3 times by Sasuke before he is screwed. Rasengan can't be copied because it isn't a bunch of seals that are moved, it's about chakra control, Sasuke can't see chakra moving - Neji can

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Intially it does, but after the first one its very quick... and Naruto's Rasengan isn't exactly fast.

What Neji can see with the Byakugan that Sasuke can't with the Sharingan is the chakra circulatory system and the tenketsu points, he can see chakra (I think, since he did see through all those clones during their time with Kabuto in the forest in the Chunnin exam). Otherwise there is no difference between him and a person with normal eyes... anyone can see the seals a ninja makes!

Only Itachi so far has apparantly done seal so fast that no one can see... that's why Kurenai said he's too fast, and she doesn't have the Sharingan or Byakugan.

haku did a 1 handed seal which was something kakashi had never seen before. if some one was fighting front on could he put his hand behind his back and perform a hand seal...

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OK, i have not even reached the 4th page because i wanted to see how long i can go before this topic tries my patience. I understand I am the new guy around, but since i can't work at my pic of kakashi or my character since this pc has none of my files, and my bro is using the laptop to watch a DVD i decided i would see what everyone seems to be discusing.

1) I found it funny that anyone would consider just because Naruto got a lucky shot on Kabuto he is officialyl equal to Kabuto or Kakashi ... this has been discused already in this convo to death, expecially since Kagemane_no_Jutsu first post kinda answered all of that. I didn't understand why that topic never stopped there but hey *shrugs* it was funny to read the other ideas.

2) Sasuke VS Naruto - this is kinda of being balanced on a knifes edge, or however the saying goes. My opinion is, Sasuke would win in a match against Naruto, not Kyubbi, remember, Kyubbi's chakra isn't natural. Naruto wasn't born with it so stop talking about that, its an unfair advantage in the whole series, and he can't control it worth a shit. The reason Sasuke would win is simple, he is not as strong in chakra, or physically, but Sasuke is faster, more agile, he can think more clearly - not as well as Shikamaru but well enough - and lets not forget, he has fought side by side with Naruto enough times to know most of his techniques, and how he thinks. The only reason Naruto win's each battle is because yes he is the main character, but go beyond that, don't say, just because he is a main character he lives forever, I say, try and think as each character, each genin and each chunin are sort of equal in standards to the Naruto in respect as a character, then go from there. He beat Naji because Naji underestimated him, Sasuke dosen't.

3) I believe someone put Sasuke is a pussy, hmm, let me see, the guy thinks his soul reason for living is to kill Itachi, think about that for a moment ... to me it seems that there trying to tell us that the reason he falls apart is because of that, Sasuke believes he can only live so live so he can kill Itachi, nothing else, and by him seeing his own death, he freaks out. He is the last of the Uchia's, and to him with his death, he believes his bloodline and clan dies with him.

Now, I am not trynig to be an ass and demand someone to shut this thread, personnaly its not all that bad, but atleast consider that much and be civil about it. I am just stating my opinon, and I don't wan't to be seen as an ass.

Oh, and btw, if anyone has seen ep 98, when Tsunade was talking to Kakashi, was I the only one that felt sorry for the guy, like common, he's fighting against an S-type Ninja, and a master of Sharengen ... lol though it was funny to see him so submissive.

Anyway, peace guys, and keep her civil, and I wish my bro gets off my laptop so I can finish Kakashi ... I have basically forgot about my own character because of that drawing lol.

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You could say the same thing about Naruto though, but in a different matter of words. Naruto is more powerful, and has more endurance. You think he is very clumsy and stupid but he's clearly not. He's outwitted 3 enemies that I think Saskue would have fallen to (neji, gaara, kabuto) Naruto knows his stuff, and can analyze a situation just as clearly as Saskue would.

Naruto outwitted Kabuto because of one reason. Kabuto underestimated him. Naruto uses that to his advantage. Look at the battles between Gaara and Neji, they both shrugged him off as a drop out. Soon they realized he means buisness.

What would Saskue do if Naruto summoned Gambunta????? Nothing. He wouldn't be able to fight back. His chidori would feel like a scratch to the frog, and that's Saskue's trump card. This debate is going to go on forever.

ok, we can sum it up as.

Naruto is very smart but has ADHD thus making him look stupid.

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OK, i have not even reached the 4th page because i wanted to see how long i can go before this topic tries my patience. I understand I am the new guy around, but since i can't work at my pic of kakashi or my character since this pc has none of my files, and my bro is using the laptop to watch a DVD i decided i would see what everyone seems to be discusing.

1) I found it funny that anyone would consider just because Naruto got a lucky shot on Kabuto he is officialyl equal to Kabuto or Kakashi ... this has been discused already in this convo to death, expecially since Kagemane_no_Jutsu first post kinda answered all of that. I didn't understand why that topic never stopped there but hey *shrugs* it was funny to read the other ideas.

2) Sasuke VS Naruto - this is kinda of being balanced on a knifes edge, or however the saying goes. My opinion is, Sasuke would win in a match against Naruto, not Kyubbi, remember, Kyubbi's chakra isn't natural. Naruto wasn't born with it so stop talking about that, its an unfair advantage in the whole series, and he can't control it worth a shit. The reason Sasuke would win is simple, he is not as strong in chakra, or physically, but Sasuke is faster, more agile, he can think more clearly - not as well as Shikamaru but well enough - and lets not forget, he has fought side by side with Naruto enough times to know most of his techniques, and how he thinks. The only reason Naruto win's each battle is because yes he is the main character, but go beyond that, don't say, just because he is a main character he lives forever, I say, try and think as each character, each genin and each chunin are sort of equal in standards to the Naruto in respect as a character, then go from there. He beat Naji because Naji underestimated him, Sasuke dosen't.

3) I believe someone put Sasuke is a pussy, hmm, let me see, the guy thinks his soul reason for living is to kill Itachi, think about that for a moment ... to me it seems that there trying to tell us that the reason he falls apart is because of that, Sasuke believes he can only live so live so he can kill Itachi, nothing else, and by him seeing his own death, he freaks out. He is the last of the Uchia's, and to him with his death, he believes his bloodline and clan dies with him.

Now, I am not trynig to be an ass and demand someone to shut this thread, personnaly its not all that bad, but atleast consider that much and be civil about it. I am just stating my opinon, and I don't wan't to be seen as an ass.

Oh, and btw, if anyone has seen ep 98, when Tsunade was talking to Kakashi, was I the only one that felt sorry for the guy, like common, he's fighting against an S-type Ninja, and a master of Sharengen ... lol though it was funny to see him so submissive.

Anyway, peace guys, and keep her civil, and I wish my bro gets off my laptop so I can finish Kakashi ... I have basically forgot about my own character because of that drawing lol.

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You could say the same thing about Naruto though, but in a different matter of words. Naruto is more powerful, and has more endurance. You think he is very clumsy and stupid but he's clearly not. He's outwitted 3 enemies that I think Saskue would have fallen to (neji, gaara, kabuto) Naruto knows his stuff, and can analyze a situation just as clearly as Saskue would.

Naruto outwitted Kabuto because of one reason. Kabuto underestimated him. Naruto uses that to his advantage. Look at the battles between Gaara and Neji, they both shrugged him off as a drop out. Soon they realized he means buisness.

What would Saskue do if Naruto summoned Gambunta????? Nothing. He wouldn't be able to fight back. His chidori would feel like a scratch to the frog, and that's Saskue's trump card. This debate is going to go on forever.

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I agree with you completely, with the fact this debate has been going on forever, and most importantly on my own analysis. I am more inclined as a Kakashi, Shikamaru and Saskue fan then Naruto because he is too bloody spontanius as a fighter. I mean he dosen't think things clearly, and he rushes in head first. And your right that Naruto could win too, i mean I did say that this fight could go either way. But this is a fight, or atleast the way i took it, a fight between Naruto and Saskue, not Naruto and Frog Drunk VS Saskue, or Naruto/Kyubi/Gambatta VS Saskue, that was where I was looking at.

Strength, and stamina dosen't alwasy win the fight, and thats why i loved that battle between Oro and the 3rd. I mean, watching Saratobi drop down to the ground and kick Oro's legs from under him was just a classic example of underestimating your openent, no mater what age.

Ohh, and I re-read some of the other posts (finally finished 4th page) someone put down that if you get grabbed by someone you automatically strike, or attack. Are you nuts, the guy grabs you to get your attention and talk to you and you attack. You look at him for what he is going to do, thats assualt lol if you hit him and he wasn't trying to hurt you, all you could have known was he had a pen in his hand and wanted you autograph. LOL

anyway, I am done with this topic, and thanks for the look on the otherside again uhicha neji


EDIT: And oh ya, I forgot to add, in my life time I have lost fights too, and maybe not did so well on a test, but you have to remember, you learn from your mistakes too. Even if Saskue lost to those three (which I agree with you) he would have come back and one. When chunin exam that first battle and him leaving, if Saskue had watched Rock Lee, he would have seen his speed. Remember, he lost against Lee, i doubt he would have lost again (atleast until before we saw how fast Lee could move. GOD DAMN that was cool)

was it haku or kakashi who said that they only need to see a battle once to figure out a way to defeat the person

I'm wondering how Saskue learned how to move as fast as Lee even thought he never saw him move ????? Did Kakashi teach him ?

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I'm wondering how Saskue learned how to move as fast as Lee even thought he never saw him move ????? Did Kakashi teach him ?

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yes the purpose of kakashi taking sasuke off to train him was to get his speed up to that of lee's if not faster. also so he was able to use that new skill how everr its spelt. but even so sasuke is still slow. compaired to lee when he takes his weights off and powers up

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chidori takes a long time to set up and can only be done 2-3 times by Sasuke before he is screwed. Rasengan can't be copied because it isn't a bunch of seals that are moved, it's about chakra control, Sasuke can't see chakra moving - Neji can

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But chidori is good for a quick kill.

When Jiraya demonstrated rasengan for the first time to Naruto, Jiraya just stun the guy.

If Chidori was use instead of rasengan, the guy should be dead on the spot.


I don't know if this point has been already posted.

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Perhaps due to Kabuto not taking Naruto seriously from the start of the fight, he paused when the kunai penetrated. Surprised with Naruto 1) actually having the balls to pull such a suicide move, and 2) actually doing him damage. This coming from a supposedly unskilled and undisciplined genin. I'm thinking Kabuto purposefully waited for Naruto's follow-up out of curiosity. Remember, he was first introduced as an intelligence gatherer, so this character trait is well established and would have an influence on his actions. He simply wanted to see what the loud blond kid could do, all the while believing that either he could avoid the danger or that there would be none.

So, Naruto gave Kabuto that pounding as a result of Kabuto's misjudgement. He underestimated Naruto and paid for it. Much like most of Naruto's other fights.

Now, Naruto at or even near the same level as Kabuto/Kakashi? No way. At any point Kabuto could have landed a simple nerve strike, knock Naruto out, fight over.
Skill and the wisdom to use it properly are more important than raw power, which is Naruto's meal ticket.

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Most likely best post.. ever.

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Naruto would obviously win since no matter how the fight went he would just either use Kyubi's chakra or fart and claim victory in the end.

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Not ture, i believe sasuke would win if it was some simple sparing of the such, only because narutos powers are triggered by his emotions therefore something very dramatic woud have to happen *hint hint*
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Jiraiya was holding back though, and he said so afterwards. If he used his full power, that guy would have been fried.

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chidori takes a long time to set up and can only be done 2-3 times by Sasuke before he is screwed. Rasengan can't be copied because it isn't a bunch of seals that are moved, it's about chakra control, Sasuke can't see chakra moving - Neji can

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But chidori is good for a quick kill.

When Jiraya demonstrated rasengan for the first time to Naruto, Jiraya just stun the guy.

If Chidori was use instead of rasengan, the guy should be dead on the spot.


I don't know if this point has been already posted.

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If you payed attention, you would have distinctly heard that Jiraya had held back alot so that the man wouldnt die. If he used even half the power the man would be dead, had he used 100% of his power I bet the man would explode!

yeah he showed naruto the difference on the tree using a little bit of power and then 100%, the little bit scratched the wood when 100% blew a chunk out of the tree

I'm now banned for spoiling.

Kindly refrain from spoiling, devil-person.

And imustbethedevil is now banned for spoiling.

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chidori takes a long time to set up and can only be done 2-3 times by Sasuke before he is screwed. Rasengan can't be copied because it isn't a bunch of seals that are moved, it's about chakra control, Sasuke can't see chakra moving - Neji can

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But chidori is good for a quick kill.

When Jiraya demonstrated rasengan for the first time to Naruto, Jiraya just stun the guy.

If Chidori was use instead of rasengan, the guy should be dead on the spot.


I don't know if this point has been already posted.

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If you payed attention, you would have distinctly heard that Jiraya had held back alot so that the man wouldnt die. If he used even half the power the man would be dead, had he used 100% of his power I bet the man would explode!

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First of all Im not saying that chidori is more powerfull than rasengan. I said it is good for a quick kill.

Unlike chidori, you dont get rasengan at full power. Which could put you on a unfavorable position.

A good example of this is when Naruto hit Kabuto with rasengan. When Kabuto got hit by rasengan for the first time, the power of rasengan is still weak. Because the power of rasengan is still weak, Kabuto manage to move his hand and stop the flow of chakra to Naruto's heart.

If chidori was use instead of rasengan, Kabuto may not have been able to move his hand.

Uhh.. the cursed seal vs the kyubi..... that's a tough decision.