Kakashi/Sakura = Hokage?

With the similarities between characters, ie Jiraiya = Naruto and Oro = Sasuke, one could argue that Sakura could be similar to Tsunade eventually. In that same line of thought, the 3rd taught the Sanins, so Kakashi could arguably be similar to the 3rd. They both know a lot of Jutsu.

Could this mean that Kakashi may become Hokage someday? And a scarier thought, could Sakura be asked to become Hokage someday, just like Tsunade, if indeed she will be similar to Tsunade??? That would be scary.... so wrong....

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
so wrong....

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you said it.

Really doubt that either would happen

Following that logic, it would mean that Naruto would have to give up his dream of becoming Hokage (not likely) and turn down an offer to take the possition (even moreso, not likely). AND it would mean the Kakashi would end up dying fighting Sasuke, leaving Naruto to go out in search of Sakura to get her to be Hokage with some punk kid who wants to be Hokage someday. What you're basically saying here is that Konoha is stuck in some nasty generational time loop where this nasty cycles gets repeated every few decades. This is a ninja action/drama manga/anime, not Star Trek or Bill & Ted (no evil future robot us-es). So don't worry, While Kakashi becoming hokage is kinda a cool thought, you don't have to wory about Sakura taking up the role. Naruto will claim it.

Now I'm not denying the similarities in personality, but they DO differentiate and will most likely not follow the same paths as their adult predecessors.

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
With the similarities between characters, ie Jiraiya = Naruto and Oro = Sasuke, one could argue that Sakura could be similar to Tsunade eventually. In that same line of thought, the 3rd taught the Sanins, so Kakashi could arguably be similar to the 3rd. They both know a lot of Jutsu.

Could this mean that Kakashi may become Hokage someday? And a scarier thought, could Sakura be asked to become Hokage someday, just like Tsunade, if indeed she will be similar to Tsunade??? That would be scary.... so wrong....

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Originally, Kakashi was going to be the 5th, but Kishimoto changed his mind to someone else

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Originally posted by: Kale Ironfist

Originally, Kakashi was going to be the 5th, but Kishimoto changed his mind to someone else

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Though the idea of Kakashi being Hokage is kind of cool, I don't think at his current skill level that he would have been a good choice to be the 5th. Maybe later on when he becomes stronger. He was owned by Itachi just now, so I would think that other hidden villages would attack Konaho if he was Hokage now. It just doesn't make sense if Kishimoto made Kakashi Hokage at this point in time. Maybe in the future...

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Originally posted by: bitwar

So don't worry, While Kakashi becoming hokage is kinda a cool thought, you don't have to wory about Sakura taking up the role. Naruto will claim it.

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Naruto most likely will claim it, but there is a possibility that he might eventually turn it down, too, for some reason in the future.

thundrakkon: Kakashi was going to be the 5th WAY BACK, somewhere around the Zabuza timeline. Kishimoto changed his mind at the beginning of the Chuunin exam arc

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
With the similarities between characters, ie Jiraiya = Naruto and Oro = Sasuke, one could argue that Sakura could be similar to Tsunade eventually. In that same line of thought, the 3rd taught the Sanins, so Kakashi could arguably be similar to the 3rd. They both know a lot of Jutsu.

Could this mean that Kakashi may become Hokage someday? And a scarier thought, could Sakura be asked to become Hokage someday, just like Tsunade, if indeed she will be similar to Tsunade??? That would be scary.... so wrong....

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Basically all the teams are structured the same. 2 guys and 1 chick. Neji's team is especially like naruto's team too. Neji is the hotshot skilled one like Sasuke. Rock is the hard working not so skilled like Naruto. And ten-ten is the girl. The other two rookie teams don't fit the mould as well but they still have the 2 guys and a chick format. Even the 3rds old team is 2 guys and a chick.

I agree it would be a nift turn if Kakashi became the fifth/sixth. But with all honesty I HIGHLY doubt he fits the characteristics of a hokage. First off, most outstandingly is...He's not strong enough from what I've seen. Do you honestly think he could have stood his ground against Orochimaru like the 3rd did? Really doubtfull, while his intentions are good and all he would most likely have been decimated. Sharingan and all it's not perfect for him. He can't even handle Itachi. Second, I can't exactly see a lonewolf style of character like Kakashi leading all of Konoha, a small team of genin is something different altogether...Uhm..I think I had more...but....*real loud brain fart* yep....there it was...gone..

weird and funny theories...

Although I completley disagree with your theory, whoever argued against it and said Naruto would never turn down the chance to be a Hokage I also disagree with. It seems very possible to me that in the future Naruto will find something (or someone) more important to him than being Hokage as he matures, initially his dream was not to protect everyone but to be the most powerful/to be recognised. Even a tragic ending could fit in with the Naruto story line but the anime ending is far too far away to hypothesis as of yet.

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Originally posted by: Kale Ironfist
thundrakkon: Kakashi was going to be the 5th WAY BACK, somewhere around the Zabuza timeline. Kishimoto changed his mind at the beginning of the Chuunin exam arc

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how do you know this? sounds very interesting.

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Originally posted by: BurnMyFaith
I agree it would be a nift turn if Kakashi became the fifth/sixth. But with all honesty I HIGHLY doubt he fits the characteristics of a hokage. First off, most outstandingly is...He's not strong enough from what I've seen. Do you honestly think he could have stood his ground against Orochimaru like the 3rd did? Really doubtfull, while his intentions are good and all he would most likely have been decimated. Sharingan and all it's not perfect for him. He can't even handle Itachi. Second, I can't exactly see a lonewolf style of character like Kakashi leading all of Konoha, a small team of genin is something different altogether...Uhm..I think I had more...but....*real loud brain fart* yep....there it was...gone..

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Oooh, He can't even handle Itachi...

Iunno what you've been watching... but Itachi is the strongest character released, he is stronger then both Oro and the 3rd.

Kakashi is one of the strongest characters in the Manga... we just don't see him fighting weaker characters to prove his strenght... he is always facing elite ninja, like Itachi, Zabuza, etc.

Being Hokage doesn't involve all strenght. It involves more knowledge, strategy, etc., after Tsunade, Kakashi at this current point is the next runner up. Jiraiya won't take it.

Back on topic. Although we all think Sakura will be taught by Tsunade, I doubt she will ever become Hokage.

Kale Ironfist - Yeah, how do you know that? That would've been interesting.

thank you coolman for putting things into perspective...if you didnt do i would have

hey! gai's a good candiate for hokage! he beat kakashi more times in their rivalry duels!...ok...just kidding

Personally... I think Kakashi > Gai... cause by now... he has copied all of Kai's Taijustu, and must've developed some defense vrs the Lotus moves, esp since we know he has seen both at least once (Lee).

But think about it.. of all the Leaf Jounin released so far (no missing-nins or any of that like Itachi) Kakashi is the strongest. Gai comes close... but Sharigan is deadly.

BTW, whole thing about Naruto turning down Hokage... now that you bring it up... I can see it happening, although I doubt it will. Although it won't happen unless its something huge... When he matures... he will have to either get the title of Hokage... or stop some other impending doom.

do you think the anime will go that far?

i always figured it would end before naruto got old enough to become hokage

If it doesn't end with Naruto becoming the Hokage, I'll cry. That would be a bad ending. Cuz it's the whole point of the story...Naruto becoming strong so he can become the Hokage.

Personally, I think that Naruto turning down the Hokage will be an very nice thing to happen in the series.
IMO, it'll show major growth in the character of Naruto that he has grown past needing to be Hokage to be happy.
Like, he has found something else in life, or, he just kinda takes up a life like Jiriya or something, but still, Naruto turing it down would be like one of those cliffhanger episodes, if not the last, of the series.

Yeah right. Like naruto would ever turn down being hokage its his dream and hes very serious about. Besides its true that he said that hes been aknowledge by his friends he wants everyone to aknowledge him.

Seriously, I mean, it's like saying you want to grow up to be the President.
As a kid, you see it as the powerful person that everyone respects and looks up to and aknowledges.
I think Naruto will realize that it isn't exactly all that it is what he is looking for, or he'll find a different path along the series way.
It's just a theroy of mine, I would still love to see Naruto as Hokage, it just seems, I dunno, to nicely packaged if he DOES become the Hokage, ya know?

Heh, I don't think he will become Hokage, for a few reasons, A) I belive even if he becomes the strongest in the village, he would rather get attention (if he has to at that point) by protecting the village as something of a person with a fairly normal life, maby even have a kid at one point. B) Hes not a good leader, Sakura would be better to keep peace and trade going. But thats just my way of thinking ahead of where even the Manga is.

Oh and C) I think that he may grow to become a teacher, ether at the acadamy or like Kakashi is to him.

Teacher he is/was at some point to Khonomaru (hopefully the correct spellint). Ok not really elite [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] but if the thought counts .......

Draken

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Originally posted by: Deblas
Yeah right. Like naruto would ever turn down being hokage its his dream and hes very serious about. Besides its true that he said that hes been aknowledge by his friends he wants everyone to aknowledge him.

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The characters are maturing. He may have to abandon that dream, for the greater good of the village in the end. Its acknowledgement vrs the death of innocent people.

I think everyones a bit too harsh on Sakura. I personally think obviously the way the show is trying portray the three [Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura] [and yes, i think I did spell portray wrong.] as being like the 3 sennins. So I think Sakura is going to get stronger, and since Naruto is bold, idiotic and strong like Jiraiaya, Sasuke hungers for power and revenge like Orochimaru, perhaps Sakura will go into medicine with Tsunade or at the acedemy, since she is the smart one with no real strength.

tsunade has mad strength though.

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Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
Really doubt that either would happen

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that not true... kakashi could be a candidate although hez really weak and not responsible

sakura could be a hokage type person

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A) I belive even if he becomes the strongest in the village, he would rather get attention (if he has to at that point) by protecting the village as something of a person with a fairly normal life, maby even have a kid at one point.

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Have you seen the more recent episodes? Naruto protects Sakura and Sasuke but moreover his emphasis is that he will "protect everyone." That's his deal; that's what the Third blabbed about for the quadzillion episodes while he was impaled with the sword. The Hokage is charged with the protection of the village; the series goes so far as to pit this charge of protection against the desire of the medical specialist. Furthermore, remember the legacy of the Fourth?

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Originally posted by: 010577

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Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
Really doubt that either would happen

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that not true... kakashi could be a candidate although hez really weak and not responsible

sakura could be a hokage type person

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Yeah right...sakura a hokage type person?... that's an insult to all kage's.
As for Kakashi..if Kakashi got more stronger then maybe, but I don't really see him being Hokage
But its million times more likely Kakashi would be Hokage than Sakura

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Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
Really doubt that either would happen

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that not true... kakashi could be a candidate although hez really weak and not responsible

sakura could be a hokage type person

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kakashi isn't weak.

um yeah, no chance of that happening

its entirely possible Sakura will go on to become a Hokage, though maybe not the 5th (She still needs time to improve). Hokage isn't all about power, I think its more about being diplomatic and intelligent, and it's already been said that she is more intelligent than both Sasuke and Naruto.

I already stated in a different post/topic that I think she will follow Tsunade and become a healer, I think if Tsunade were to become her Sensei she would improve at a much greater pace than she has with Kakashi, simply because she has alot of common traits as Tsunade.

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Shkamaru=Hokage

'nuff said

you said it. so wrong

unfortunatly tsunade already has a pupil(shizune anyone?) and i dont think she wants/need/ can take anymore

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Originally posted by: M1N10N
its entirely possible Sakura will go on to become a Hokage, though maybe not the 5th (She still needs time to improve). Hokage isn't all about power, I think its more about being diplomatic and intelligent, and it's already been said that she is more intelligent than both Sasuke and Naruto.

I already stated in a different post/topic that I think she will follow Tsunade and become a healer, I think if Tsunade were to become her Sensei she would improve at a much greater pace than she has with Kakashi, simply because she has alot of common traits as Tsunade.

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O..k "Hokage isn't all about power"? .. In a sence yes but Hokage/Kage is supposed to be the STRONGEST in the village, as well as know a whole lot of jutsu's so it is alot about power. If there is another thing, I think it would be caring for the village and someone who would sacrafice themself for the village.

Sakura is none of the above, and there is little chance she would become Hokage, just because she is smart dosen't make her a good canditate for Hokage. Beside she is really only book smart, which so far hasn't really came in any handy besides explaining stuff..big deal, now Shikamaru, his smarts is a worthy Hokage trait.

And like someone mentioned before, Shizune seems to be Tsunade's apprentince, so no need for Tsunade to teach Sakura, since she already has a pupil and even if she taught Sakura healing..Sakura knowing healing jutsu isn't going to automatically make her a Hokage candidate.

And what common traits does she have with Tsunade that would greaten the pace of training? Cause' Sakura isn't the one to train, she rarely does and lacks motivation.

I don't see Naruto giving up the title of Hokage. He's way too passionate about it and it's his dream since the beginning. Although it's a possiblity, I don't see it happening unless something dramatically happens that affects him in the future.

Kakashi didn't look too great in his outting against Itachi, but I don't think he's "weak". Itachi is just really baddass and made Kakashi look worse than he is. Kakashi as Hokage... not sure on that. Maybe if he stops reading Jiraiya's books. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Sakura = Hokage? I really don't think so. She has done nothing significant although I think her character will probably develop more.

Kakashi could be a good candidate for hokage. hes very strong and has to have knowledge of justus not to mention that he can copy any jutsu that is not advanced bloodline. as for sakura shes knowlegable but pretty weak, things could change if shes trains hard and becomes stronger but is doubtful that she would be hokage material.

as for people saying that tsunade can teach her healing techniques it not gonna matter. A hokages trait is not healing though she could be a good asset in wars and battles.

naruto will never give up for trying to be hokage. it's what he live for.

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Originally posted by: Kale Ironfist
thundrakkon: Kakashi was going to be the 5th WAY BACK, somewhere around the Zabuza timeline. Kishimoto changed his mind at the beginning of the Chuunin exam arc

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In what episode was this showed? hmm.. and waht episode did kakashi and itachi went at it? am i in the wrong forum or im just being noobed?

it wasnt showed in an eps. in an iterview with kishimoto he was asked who might be the 5th hokage and he said that maybe kakashi would be. obviously he changed his mind...

Yea I read that somewhere too. Though personally I think Kakashi could be Hokage if he bothered to train his lazy ass.. but then again what would happen to Gai Sensei????

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
With the similarities between characters, ie Jiraiya = Naruto and Oro = Sasuke, one could argue that Sakura could be similar to Tsunade eventually. In that same line of thought, the 3rd taught the Sanins, so Kakashi could arguably be similar to the 3rd. They both know a lot of Jutsu.

Could this mean that Kakashi may become Hokage someday? And a scarier thought, could Sakura be asked to become Hokage someday, just like Tsunade, if indeed she will be similar to Tsunade??? That would be scary.... so wrong....

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Well, history DOESN'T always repeat itself..... if it does, they have to find another two Hokage to die first......

Just because Kakashi isn't as strong as Itachi doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to become Hokage. He has leadership and is one of the more intellegent jounins. So don't count Kakashi out just yet.

Kakashi can become Hokage, Naruto can become Hokage, Shikamaru can, Sakura can, Gai can, Lee-san can, he can, she can, everyone can..... ok?

The truth is out there, JUST be patient, you'll find out in the future.

No, Sakura really cant.....

For one shes not related to any strong ninja, let alone someone like the First Hokage. Shes not talented like Tsunade was at her age (Tsunade got one of the bells from the Third during there survival training, Sakura just screamed alot), and Sakura doesnt do anything except yell "Sasuke-kun!" every five seconds. And the way things look, I certainly dont think Tsunade ever had a crush on Orochimaru, as your analogy would take things.

The only similarities is that they were on a team with two really strong male ninja, had a very strong sensei, and....yeah, thats about it. Ton Ton has a better chance at becoming Hokage than Sakura.

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Originally posted by: CrossPunisher
and....yeah, thats about it. Ton Ton has a better chance at becoming Hokage than Sakura.

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LOL

ditto [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Sakura really can't .
But she can become one of the elders , Shikamaru Too .

Yes, Sakura can become one of the elders....an elderly woman, just like everyone else that ages.. unless she was finally taken out the series by someone...anyone...

As for Kakashi vs. Gai, Kishimoto said during one of his interviews that those 50 vs 49 wins also include Jankenpon wins. (Jankenpon=paper rock scissors) So I don't really think that's a measure of strength.

Kakashi would make a good Hokage character-wise, after all his motto is "Those who abandon their teammates are worse than trash," and the most important characteristic of the Hokage is to protect the village above all else.

Naruto is only 12 years old. He's got at LEAST 10 years before he's ready to be Hokage, maturity wise. Tsunade is already aging, and her Genesis Rebirth technique has been shown to shorten her life. Eventually Orochimaru will attack again, who's to say Tsunade will live until Naruto is old enough for the role?

If she dies before Naruto's ready, I could see Kakashi stepping in to be the 6th.

Thats a good statement, but, kakashi is no where near strong enough to be hokage. Im sure he would be if he'd train though.

Well, he'll get stronger just as time goes by with gaining new tecniques with the Sharingan. And yes, he does need to be stronger, but character-wise, he'd be good.

No telling how strong he'd be, say, 5 years down the road.

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Originally posted by: lasaire
Kakashi would make a good Hokage character-wise, after all his motto is "Those who abandon their teammates are worse than trash," and the most important characteristic of the Hokage is to protect the village above all else.

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I remember during the Chuunin exam, when Kakashi was talking to Oro in front of a passed out Sasuke, at first, Kakashi said he would protect Sasuke, even if it killed him. Then, after he thought about it, he said something like, "Yeah, right," suggesting that he would not waste his life protecting Sasuke to defeat Oro. If that's the case, I would have serious doubts to his heart as a Hokage.

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon

I remember during the Chuunin exam, when Kakashi was talking to Oro in front of a passed out Sasuke, at first, Kakashi said he would protect Sasuke, even if it killed him. Then, after he thought about it, he said something like, "Yeah, right," suggesting that he would not waste his life protecting Sasuke to defeat Oro. If that's the case, I would have serious doubts to his heart as a Hokage.

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I don't think that is why Kakashi changed his mind. Maybe he's not powerful enough to take on Orochimaru. You've seen how Oro managed to replace himself so many times against Sasuke, Anko, and the 3rd + Enma. Don't forget, Oro has a whole arsenal of jutsus (alright, not as many as Kakashi) that can probably (note all the probablys I'm gonna write) nullify Kakashi's jutsus. Remember, Oro is a Sannin and he's constantly training himself, unlike Kakashi. Also, Oro probably knows Kakashi's weakness, considering how he knows about Kakashi's ambition for the Sharingan in the past.

But Kakashi knows 1000 years of pain! No matter what body Oro gets into thats still gotta hurt.

Oro looks like he does that for fun...

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Originally posted by: lasaire
As for Kakashi vs. Gai, Kishimoto said during one of his interviews that those 50 vs 49 wins also include Jankenpon wins. (Jankenpon=paper rock scissors) So I don't really think that's a measure of strength.

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this was actually said in the anime.


as for kakashi being hokage, he seems too old to be a good candidate for hokage. though tsunade is older than he is, it was an emergency decision and she is one of the sannin so the village really didn't have much of a choice. as much of a badass character as kakashi is, i think his character is suited best in the role he plays now. also it seems like he is already past his prime. other ninjas from other villages already know him as "Sharingan Kakashi" or "Copy Ninja Kakashi", "the man who has copied over 1000 jutsus."

hmmm...

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hmmm...

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think you should come up with better replies than that..that's spam

anyways, I agree with frexeze that Kakashi is past his prime, probaby could have been one but didn't get that far, and dosen't seem he is interested

I wonder if Kakashi used his sharingan during those rock paper scissors duels...if so, I would think he would win every one of them, or at worst he'd cause a draw lol

I remember during the Chuunin exam, when Kakashi was talking to Oro in front of a passed out Sasuke, at first, Kakashi said he would protect Sasuke, even if it killed him. Then, after he thought about it, he said something like, "Yeah, right," suggesting that he would not waste his life protecting Sasuke to defeat Oro. If that's the case, I would have serious doubts to his heart as a Hokage.[/quote]



You're remembering wrong. What he really thought was, "Sacrifice myself to kill him? Am I crazy?" after seeing a horrific vision of his own death -- meaning that Orochimaru was so far above him he would waste his life and still not be able to touch him.

Maybe that was a bit of self modesty... sure he wouldn't be able to beat Oro but I'm sure he would inflict some serious damage on him... since Kabuto did some to Tsunade.

But seriouslt, Jiraiya's weakness is women, Tsunade's is blood, what's Oro's (no jackson jokes please)?

Um.. Orochimaru is totally obsessed with jutsu's, hell he created some scary ones. If anything Kakashi doesnt even have 1/4 of what Orochimaru has. I mean ffs time is on orochimarus side, and thats his plan to advance in techniques.

Oro's weakness is his desire for jutsu and immortality. Everyone has a weakness, as Itachi himself said, oro's is that, and will be the eventual downfall of him.

I.e., if Tsunade (as the acting hokage) or another 'justice' oriented shinobi were to try and assasinate Oro, In my mind, all you would have to do is create a fallacy of a forbidden/high powered jutsu and lure oro into it. You could get real elaborate, set up fake deaths and illusions, attempts to take it by other villages (which is really konoha ninjas in disguise) and tempt oro into trying to get it himself, when its really a trap all along, or a scroll, similiar to heaven/earth scrolls in one of the chuunin exams, only instead of putting you to sleep, it kills you, banishes you, whatever.

I dont know, but I believe that his lust for jutsu and immortality could be used against him to vanquish him, but I believe Oro will be around for awhile, very close to the end of the anime.

On another note, do you REALLY think this anime will last long enough to see naruto hokage? I'd love to see it that far, but I believe it will be licensed/ruined before that happens, or a unusual sequence of events will happen, this is my logic behind this.

Genin > Chuunin > Jounin > Hokage

ANBU/Sannin are not really ranks, ergo i have not included them.

But, Naruto is still a genin, much less a chuunin. Were up to ep 97/98 fellas, You think it will last through him becoming chuunin, then jounin, then hokage? I only see it happening if he skips something or does other miraculous events/actions to prostrate himself to the title of Hokage, and even then I believe that others will still be around more qualified.

The idea of him refusing Hokage is intriguing, and my mind is filled with various scenarios, but I highly doubt it will be the actual course of the anime. It is what it revolves around, after all.

I really think that naruto will be a hokage (Even tsunade said that...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

And for shakura...she would be something like a sannin.

Yea I was thinking myself how we would see Naruto even come close to being Hokage.. I think the most reasonable thing may be for them to create a break where all the characters grow up or something.

Sakura can become a chef in a cheap resteraunt.

And sell Ohagi.

Not to Naruto.

i dont think kakashi should be hokage, tsunade was a good choice because she is one of the sannin and jiraiya and kakashi would rather read come come paradise or w/e thats called instead of being hokage.

i can just see kakshi as hokage, reading icha icha paradise during meeting with foreign diplomats, coming 4 hrs late to every meeting, randomly asspoking ninja around the office...

you guys who make these threads do realize if this was the case konoha is in an endless cyle?

Great Scott! What has happened to the space-time continum??????

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You're remembering wrong. What he really thought was, "Sacrifice myself to kill him? Am I crazy?" after seeing a horrific vision of his own death -- meaning that Orochimaru was so far above him he would waste his life and still not be able to touch him.

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You're probably right, my mistake. I had always interpreted it that Kakashi was selfish, but I guess not.

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Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
you guys who make these threads do realize if this was the case konoha is in an endless cyle?

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LOL... I am just comparing the similarities and parallelism that the younger generation has with the older generation. I really doubt that it would be an endless cycle, since that would make the story boring. Just one of many possibilies, that's all. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]