hi all
in episode 82, when Gai got involved...he mentioned how he can counter the sharingan by not looking Itachi straight in the eyes...he said there is a trick to that what did he mean? what trick?
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hi all
in episode 82, when Gai got involved...he mentioned how he can counter the sharingan by not looking Itachi straight in the eyes...he said there is a trick to that what did he mean? what trick?
the trick that............if you dont look at there eyes they cant get you. some boxers do a lot of feet watching as you can see when they are going to punch, with what had and how they are going to do it. you can also tell if someone is ready to go down by looking at the knees and feet. so i think thats the trick he was talking about.
we don't know if it works on itachi (i doubt that it does). it only works on kakashi so far.
although all signs point to *yes* it does work. but weather or not gai is good enough to pull it off or not is a nother matter.
dude, how many damn times do i have to explain this to you? IT DOESN'T WORK. and all signs don't point to it that it'll work against itachi's sharingan. the level kakashi can use his sharingan is far below itachi's, ok? it's completely illogical to apply that flimsy method to a higher degree. it's like saying, 'oh, a wooden shield can protect you from a bow and arrow so therefore it'll do the same against a machine gun.'Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
although all signs point to *yes* it does work. but weather or not gai is good enough to pull it off or not is a nother matter.
Thats hyst what i was thinking chambers. If you cant see the eyes it cant get into youre mind. But that dosnt mean you have nuf skill to Defeat him even without his biggest assasset. The Sharigan is mostly an defensive Tool. Only High lv users use it as offensive
of course all signs point to yes mutata, other than speed we have NO evidence at what itachi is capable of whatsoever, so all signs point to the fact he will be a slightly, perhaps even considerably stronger/faster/smarter version of kakashi with his special technique. if you take the special tech away your left with............ a stronger/faster/smarter version of kakashi who shares the same weakness (apart form lack of stamina it would seem). there fore it stand to reaoson if you have somone who made an equal ratio with itachi as gai and kakashi do then the taijitsu would win. either that or your saying itachi is invincible.
by that i mean its obvious that genjitsu will not work on a sharingan user at all. they can see right through it. as itachi said it would have to be VERY high level in order to work (did he say that in the AA version as well tho?), and its clear from his speed and the obvious ability of sharingan that he could at least keep up with any jujitsu users.
Gai is an idiot, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
rofl, thanks for proving my point chambers. the whole time, that's exactly what i was saying. itachi is a considerably stronger, faster, smarter (maybe not, i think kakashi is a smarter genius) version of kakashi. gai's method works ONLY on kakashi... that's why they are considered eternal rivals. if you still don't understand, plz refer to my shield, bow&arrow, and gun example in my previous post. and what weakness are you talking about? last time we looked, itachi has no weaknesses (besides him using his mangekyou sharingan too much). if you're talking about taijutsu being a bad match up for sharingan users, then you are way off since it's only a bad match up IF the sharingan user isn't fast enough. and there haven't been any sign that itachi is slow.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
of course all signs point to yes mutata, other than speed we have NO evidence at what itachi is capable of whatsoever, so all signs point to the fact he will be a slightly, perhaps even considerably stronger/faster/smarter version of kakashi with his special technique. if you take the special tech away your left with............ a stronger/faster/smarter version of kakashi who shares the same weakness (apart form lack of stamina it would seem). there fore it stand to reaoson if you have somone who made an equal ratio with itachi as gai and kakashi do then the taijitsu would win. either that or your saying itachi is invincible.
by that i mean its obvious that genjitsu will not work on a sharingan user at all. they can see right through it. as itachi said it would have to be VERY high level in order to work (did he say that in the AA version as well tho?), and its clear from his speed and the obvious ability of sharingan that he could at least keep up with any jujitsu users.
btw, i'm not saying that itachi is invincible (i believe that sasuke will whoop him in the future).
Just shutup chambers..
Mut@t@ is like an evil sarutobi, so i always like it when someone stands up against him. Also you say your site covers most of the debated stuff but it seemed lacking. good otherwise tho i hate to say, T_T.
Anyways on the matter, Itachi says not to underestimate Gai, but i think the real reason he left was cause he used that Sharingan move on kakashi which tired him a bit and since Gai plus many Anbu were suppose to be arriving, it'd be stupid to continue fighting no matter who you are.
In conclusion Itachi would own Gai, but not as easily as he pwned kakashi. I suspect.
Oh yeah, don't yell at people or hate them when debating, it's poor taste. (Kilzo!) ...Am i a hypocrit?
kilzo why dont you stfu? iam RIGHT. every single instance in the manga points to sharingan being weak to taijitsu, to the point when gai even knows a trik to counter it. now sure maybe gai is not at any kind of level to put this idea into practice against itachi, but it works against kakshi. now listen to me before you whine like a bitch and say "but itachi is stronger by miles". well so what who gives a flying fuck. his main improvement is his mangekyou sharingan, which would be TOTALLY nulled through the use of gai's trick. so like i said with that out the way we are left wiht a possibly stronger/faster version of kakshi, so it stands to reason that a stronger/faster version of gai would beat him.
if you want to answer back fine but try to at least use logic when you do so instead of repeating gai's method ONLY works on kakshi FUCKING PROVE IT. with a single reference form the anime. tell me one single thing that points to it not working on someone that fights using the EXACT same special ability only advanced more. does itachis sharingan allow him to blind gai when gai looks at his feet? havent seen that one yet. does it allow him to glue him to the floor? hey guess what i aint seen that one either yet.
FACE IT. it works, gai may not be strong enough to put it to the test but the THEORY IS 100% SOUND.
i do not understand why would gai need to use his special technique (looking at feet) to fight kakashi when kakashi doesn't even have the mangekyou sharingan???? maybe just for practice to beat itachi i dont know.. unless kakashi has some level of the mangekyou but not as strong as itachi there fore gai tries to avoid it when he spares with kakashi?? maybe some one can elaborate on this
Here's how itachi wins: Genjitsus into a giant sharingan eye with no feet.
yeah mutata site looks the part, lacking in substance like, but it looks sweet, i wish i could make sites like that.
ugh someone just lock this, i dont this place to be somewhere for little kids to come and complain.
Edit: In response to your comment chambers... your making alot of assumptions, i for one dont like itachi. as for the othe comments, its a theory, dont go and try to force it in everyone elses head that its a fact.
whatever.
muppet.
Gai thinks he understands Sharingan by facing off against Kakashi, however Itachi's Sharingan is far greater. In fact Itachi's is probably better than any Sharingan Gai has faced (Itachi was able to kill everyone else in the Uchiha with a Sharingan). Chambers, stop acting like a stupid child.
please explain to me how itachis sharingan is better if you discount the mangekyou sharingan. and by better i dont mean an improvement in stamina or speed i mean an ability that will negate gais stratagey.
go for it. also iam older than you and iam acting it, just beacuse a few iditos on this board state things doesnt make them true.
I just have to agree to what chambers have said.. itachi's better with sharingan now in anime is becoz he can use mangekyou and he can counter it coz he've the bloodlimits. think it this way, it's like hypnotise someone ? if u ain't lookin in the eyes.. then how is the sharingan user goin to do that to you ? just like ur back facing him. it doesn't make sense that u'll get hypnotise or what so ever with mangekyou when ur back is facin him right ? Gai battle with kakashi and yes he've not met anyone with mangekyou.. but do you remember gai said that he've already know about this jutsu ? don't forget the fact that there's Uchiha in the past too.. I'm sure that somehow others will know there's mangekyou.. Like kakashi.. he knew it.. also.. we can say that gai is another best friend of kakashi ? coz they'll share the secrets..
OT: i'll explain about my site. i am sorry that i can't pleas all you guys and have EVERYTHING updated and there are a lot of things i ignore because i think putting in stuff like "is haku a girl?" is stupid. also, it's not even for the anime readers in the first place. it was specifically for the manga readers, but i fixed it up so anime newbs won't be spoiled. anyway, i don't spend my whole time working on it each day and it probably won't be updated (big updates) for several weeks since i have finals coming up soon.
ok, back on topic. how do you not understand that itachi's sharingan is better than kakashi's? (NOTE: everytime i say itachi's sharingan is better, i'm ignoring mangekyou sharingan) kakashi's sharingan cannot be used to it's full potential and that is ignoring mangekyou sharingan. since kakashi isn't a full blooded uchiha, he cannot use it as long and as accurately as itachi can. that alone should just tell you that kakashi can't use it to read and copy jutsus as well as itachi can. did you not notice how kakashi admited that his sharingan was barely keeping up with itachi while itachi had no problem? also, remember that kakashi said that he can't use the sharingan perfectly and this was before even the idea of mangekyou sharingan was introduced. yes, reading and copying jutsus have no relevance to what we're talking about right now, but it's a solid evidence to explain that itachi's sharingan is more advanced.
and stop bringing this up: 'gai can beat kakashi with his method.' if gai can beat him with such method, why are they considered eternal rivals? what is the point of being eternal rivals when it's so one sided? and why don't you prove that it works on itachi as well? can you? no. all you're doing it trying to apply a method to a higher degree of a situation to support your theory. it's actually a huge jump from applying it to kakashi's and then applying to itachi's considering kakashi isn't even an uchiha.
sorry to break it to you but, your theory is not 100% sound. and if you're gonna post "whatever, muppet" don't bother posting at all. that's spamming.
EDIT: and let's think about this. what if eye contact isn't even needed for mangekyou sharingan? what if the eyes just have to be opened? maybe that's why kakashi told asuma and kurenai to close them instead of just saying 'don't look at itachi's eyes.' isn't the latter a safer option than having both of your eyes closed rendering you basically completely useless? i think this is the main reason why you need to be a uchiha to defeat another uchiha. since genjutsu effects your five senses (sight, touch, taste, smell and sound), you could be looking down and itachi could turn the world into something crazy by altering your senses. that's what tsukuyomi does. it made kakashi feel like it was three days long (or however long it was) and kakashi felt the actual pain.
well looks like chambers is increasing his lead for idiot of the year. chambers is wrong, mut@t@ is right. what works against kakashi's ghetto ass sharingan doesnt mean will work against itachi, who is the strongest sharingan user we've seen. itachi also has the uchiha body, meaning he can use the sharingan way longer than kakashi can. gai's strategy would not work against itachi, since his sharingan would anticipate gai's movements. and how do we know sharingan is weak against taijutsu? im guessing you got this idea from the lee vs sasuke fight, well sasuke's sharingan is not even developed yet, plus lee was way ahead of sasuke at that time.
let us not forget that in a match between the two sharingan users, itachi was wiping the floor with kakashi.....do you think itachi NEEDED to use the mangekyou sharingan to beat kakashi?....personally it seemed to me like he was doing fine even before using it, and if you cant accredit that to him having a better sharingan, then what CAN you accredit it to?
Mut@t@, i have to disagree with you about this one...
Gai practised his 'look on the feet' techinuque on Kakashi, to avoid possible hypnotizem from the sharingan (Zabuza did the same, with the mist and the closed eyes), and since Itachi's eye is no diffrent that Kakashi's eye, i'm quite sure that Gai won't get mangakyou-ed...
Note: when i say that thier eyes aren't diffrent, i mean that Itachi can't relocate his eye to his feet, and doesn't have a tremndously HUGE eyeball, which you have to look at...
more than that, you say that it's immpossible to fight with someone while focusing on the feet alone, but Gai has done it against Kakashi's, and even though Itachi might be faster than Kakashi (might, i'm not sure wheather it was said exactly or not), then so is Gai, and from the fact that he continued to battle Kakashi, we know that even while focusing on one's lower part, Gai can still keep fighting at least at Kakashi's speed...
If Itachi was to stay there, he would probably be killed by the mass amount of ANBU's coming, even though Itachi is tough, he can't fight against the whole world and win... i'm positive that if you face him against any pair of the 'elite' charecters (hokages, Sannin, Kakashi, Gai, Kabuto and perhaps Anko) Itachi will get his ass tossed around...
but that isn't relevent for the disscussion, so forget about it...
anyway, Gai's way of fighting Sharingan users is effective, at least on the immidiate target, Gai won't be a subject to the Mangakyou sharingan, the battle (which would probably end with Itachi as the winner) will be a 'normal' battle of Ninjutu and Taijutsu..
Benjamin, third degree researcher in the field of 'doing nothing at school all day'...
Actually I think that Gai can probably negate all of Itachi's sharingan powers by simply not looking him in the eye. the best analogy that I can come up with is when odysseus got his men to plug up their eyes to prevent the sirens from luring them to the rocks. by not looking into the eye of a sharingan user, there's nothing he can do with it i.e. no matter how well the sirens sing, if you're deaf, it won't affect you.
but...that being said, I think that gai would still lose to itachi only because itachi is probably much faster than gai, can predict gai's moves with sharingan (though not affect gai directly), and probably has a ton of jitsus that he can throw gai's way. it would be akin to asking if gai could beat any of the sanin's. the sanin's, the kages, and itachi could all beat gai handedly with the raw power in terms of amount of chakra, experience, speed, and number of jitsus that they have.
Itachi's primary advantage me thinks is not his sharingan, but the fact that he can whip off jitsus without using hand seals (it seemed that way after the last episode). I don't think that the sharingan is the most powerful bloodline ability in the naruto world.
But Death BOO Z, you can't argue that the rivalry between gai and kakashi is on nearly equal grounds.....and this is even considering that gai knows tricks to counter the sharingan
If gai had a solid lead over kakashi, then that would be one thing.....but if his eternal rival is someone who is clearly lower than itachi in the way that gives them their fighting advantage (i.e. the sharingan).....then to have a chance against itachi is very unlikely
in other words, if gai = kakashi, and itachi > kakashi, then itachi > gai
EDIT: and to add to IamSpazzy's post.......yes, even if the sharingan cant hypnotize gai, it can still give itachi the edge of being able to see gai's movement....AND itachi prolly knows lots of jutsus that he could perform in an instant, thus he wouldnt even need the sharingan to fight gai
not forgetin fish head was at the scene too.. don't you think that fish head have his eyes opened too ?
yeah.. Itachi can copy and read images faster and better than kakashi.. but Gai is a taijutsu user.. thinkin that rock lee can attain that speed.. imagine how fast will gai move at ?
it's just a verbal discription between the relationship between both of them by usin "eternal rivals". it doesn't mean that Gai can't defeat itachi ? anyway.. kakashi is more likely to beat Gai IMO coz he've battle with Gai countless times ? of coz you'll know your opponent's strong and weak pt.
yes. i did judge from the part where sasuke was wacked by rock lee.. but do you remember that rock lee said that it's pointless if your eyes can catch up but your body can't ? and remember how a uchiha got wack so hard that he can't even have a chance to retaliate ?
anyway. i'm Itachi's fan as well.. but putting these into consideration.. don't you think that it makes more sense ?
i'm not talking about being hypnotized by sharingan and i've been excluding mangekyou sharingan the whole time. 'looking at the feet' method doesn't even sound right. the whole point of that method is to not get mangekyou'd, i assume. that's fine but how is that going to help against a sharingan user besides not being hit by tsukuyomi? that actually puts you at a disadvantage since all you can do is focus on their feet (or lower body) and 'predict' their movements. ...what? predicting movements? isn't that the sharingan is for??? if you use that method, you eliminate mangekyou sharingan, but you suffer the greater sacrifice because you have to guess that the opponent is gonna do next while the opponent can still fight prefectly fine.Quote:
Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
Mut@t@, i have to disagree with you about this one...
Gai practised his 'look on the feet' techinuque on Kakashi, to avoid possible hypnotizem from the sharingan (Zabuza did the same, with the mist and the closed eyes), and since Itachi's eye is no diffrent that Kakashi's eye, i'm quite sure that Gai won't get mangakyou-ed...
Note: when i say that thier eyes aren't diffrent, i mean that Itachi can't relocate his eye to his feet, and doesn't have a tremndously HUGE eyeball, which you have to look at...
more than that, you say that it's immpossible to fight with someone while focusing on the feet alone, but Gai has done it against Kakashi's, and even though Itachi might be faster than Kakashi (might, i'm not sure wheather it was said exactly or not), then so is Gai, and from the fact that he continued to battle Kakashi, we know that even while focusing on one's lower part, Gai can still keep fighting at least at Kakashi's speed...
and i'm not saying that it's impossible to fight someone while focusing on their feet.
Chambers your assuming that the sharingan has to make eye contact to do anything at all, it can still follow movements better than a normal eye. From the one time we have seen itachi fight it seems he is beyond fast compared to kakshi so it is really a null point.
On the flip side, Chambers you have no proof that it does work as we havn't seen them put it to the test maybe 2 sharingan's rather than kakshi's one eliminates the need to make eye contact? We really have no clue from the anime and this is a fiction so no matter what makes sense and should prove to be a sound theory may end up not working as it is the wrighter's world with their laws controling the world not ours.
don't you see that line that Gai said he've fought with kakashi before and also the sharingan ?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
i'm not talking about being hypnotized by sharingan and i've been excluding mangekyou sharingan the whole time. 'looking at the feet' method doesn't even sound right. the whole point of that method is to not get mangekyou'd, i assume. that's fine but how is that going to help against a sharingan user besides not being hit by tsukuyomi? that actually puts you at a disadvantage since all you can do is focus on their feet (or lower body) and 'predict' their movements. ...what? predicting movements? isn't that the sharingan is for??? if you use that method, you eliminate mangekyou sharingan, but you suffer the greater sacrifice because you have to guess that the opponent is gonna do next while the opponent can still fight prefectly fine.Quote:
Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
Mut@t@, i have to disagree with you about this one...
Gai practised his 'look on the feet' techinuque on Kakashi, to avoid possible hypnotizem from the sharingan (Zabuza did the same, with the mist and the closed eyes), and since Itachi's eye is no diffrent that Kakashi's eye, i'm quite sure that Gai won't get mangakyou-ed...
Note: when i say that thier eyes aren't diffrent, i mean that Itachi can't relocate his eye to his feet, and doesn't have a tremndously HUGE eyeball, which you have to look at...
more than that, you say that it's immpossible to fight with someone while focusing on the feet alone, but Gai has done it against Kakashi's, and even though Itachi might be faster than Kakashi (might, i'm not sure wheather it was said exactly or not), then so is Gai, and from the fact that he continued to battle Kakashi, we know that even while focusing on one's lower part, Gai can still keep fighting at least at Kakashi's speed...
and i'm not saying that it's impossible to fight someone while focusing on their feet.
can't he practice before hand ? like i said.. if kakashi knows there's mangekyou.. why can't Gai?
well.. if you're talkin bout this.. then can you explain how rock lee prevent himself from bangin into walls when he's fighting with gaara at that amazing speed ? don't forget all the other jounins are astonish with his speed and they also said they can't keep up with his movement.Quote:
Originally posted by: Jessper
Chambers your assuming that the sharingan has to make eye contact to do anything at all, it can still follow movements better than a normal eye. From the one time we have seen itachi fight it seems he is beyond fast compared to kakshi so it is really a null point.
On the flip side, Chambers you have no proof that it does work as we havn't seen them put it to the test maybe 2 sharingan's rather than kakshi's one eliminates the need to make eye contact? We really have no clue from the anime and this is a fiction so no matter what makes sense and should prove to be a sound theory may end up not working as it is the wrighter's world with their laws controling the world not ours.
only the genins said they couldnt keep up with his movement, besides....we KNOW that the sharingan lets you follow movements better because that is how sasuke managed to dodge haku's ice mirror attacks
...? i dunno what you're trying to prove.Quote:
Originally posted by: kyuubi_
don't you see that line that Gai said he've fought with kakashi before and also the sharingan ?
can't he practice before hand ? like i said.. if kakashi knows there's mangekyou.. why can't Gai?
ok, listen. after gai or a non-uchiha who is on itachi's level and uses gai's method fights itachi...let's call this man fighter A. ok, well, let's see. itachi still can use the sharingan (not mangekyou sharingan) to read, copy, and defeat all jutsus fighter A can perform while figher A can only look at itachi's feet and try to guess what itachi's next move is. who do you think will win? the guy who is fighting without any disadvantages or the guy who is constantly looking at the feet.
it's like, you guys think that gai's method totally negates the sharingan, making it absolutely useless. all it does is save your ass from being mangekyou'd. and why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that itachi said only uchihas can beat another uchiha? it's not like he said it for no reason.
so you mean that jounins have better eyes ?
how bout hokage ? they've about the same eyes as sharingan ?
If Gai have to fight itachi.. he won't be that dumb to only stay there and monitor Itachi's leg... but with his high speed movement.. don't you think itachi will have trouble dodgin attacks ??
so you mean that jounins have better eyes ?
how bout hokage ? they've about the same eyes as sharingan ?
If Gai have to fight itachi.. he won't be that dumb to only stay there and monitor Itachi's leg... but with his high speed movement.. don't you think itachi will have trouble dodgin attacks ??
ok here goes at last a thought out reply. thought but full of holes iam sorry to say.
ok so ill give you that obvioulsy itachi can use normal shringan for a hell of a lot longer than kakashi (only assumed but pretty much taken for granted). you seem to have accepted that mangekyou sharingan will nt be a part baring an incredible lapse of concentration on the part of whomever fights him (or the lack of knowledged would so it of course). so other than stamina what advatages do you know FOR A FACT from the anime that being from the uchiha clan actually gives you? lets say for example (and iam being generous because its never implyed) that it does confer on the user some insane speed when performing jinjutsu. so what? i hardley think the speed of creating seals matters to someone who doesnt even use it in battle at all. therefore someone using gais style clearly is at no loss if we put him at the same ratio of power that is apparent in gai v kakashi. i say it doesnt matter because obviously gai has some skill in countering or evading the techniques and its the speed of the technique itself that will ultimatley be the decider not the quater of a second less it takes to form the seals.
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ok so i think that sums that up. stamina is th eonly issue here. itachi has it kakashi doesnt. gai CLEARLY has it as he is a physical type person. so while its certainly less of an issue than you make it out to be its still a *slight* issue.
S-K i dont care what you say. the lee V sasuke fight is a PERFECT example of what to expect (of course not as one sided but still). we can see it STATED that its all fine and dandy if you can see it coming but if you cannt physically bring your had to there leg then they will kick you. you see how shocked sasuke is at lees NATURAL movement, and yes i relise that there is a VERY high chance that itachi has fought somone close to or even matching gais speed so again that point is belittled somwhat. so then you say sasuke isnt fully developed eh? well neither is lee. its clearly a comparable situation they are both weak, both at the same level same as gai and kakashi, same as who ever would fight itachi with gai's style. do you think that neji vs lee wouldnt be an accurate foreshadowing of the head of the clan vs gai?
and mutata unless your going to adress other people who insult me (to whom i was replying BTW) i suggest you keep your opinion to yourself. the guy who posted before me was spamming and i didnt want to ignore him as thats what i did initial to all these idiots and people like S-K appeared who think they can argue with everything i say and insult me for no reason without me replying. aint happenin.
EDIT: people have posted b4 this one got there so ill add something. mutat it means nothing that he said only another uchiha can beat him, people say stuff all the time sthat is just plain BS. its just trash talk. @ kyuubi i think that the answer it YES. if in the world of naruto we know of two clans already that have power located in the eye, than can be improved with training, then we can only assume that normall eyes can be trained in the same way (although obvioulsy with less spectacular results), after all the eye is moved by a muscle and like any muscle you can train it.
I would say that if i'm Gai.. i won't be dumb to keep my eyes all the while on his legs.. and yes its dumb..Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
...? i dunno what you're trying to prove.Quote:
Originally posted by: kyuubi_
don't you see that line that Gai said he've fought with kakashi before and also the sharingan ?
can't he practice before hand ? like i said.. if kakashi knows there's mangekyou.. why can't Gai?
ok, listen. after gai or a non-uchiha who is on itachi's level and uses gai's method fights itachi...let's call this man fighter A. ok, well, let's see. itachi still can use the sharingan (not mangekyou sharingan) to read, copy, and defeat all jutsus fighter A can perform while figher A can only look at itachi's feet and try to guess what itachi's next move is. who do you think will win? the guy who is fighting without any disadvantages or the guy who is constantly looking at the feet.
it's like, you guys think that gai's method totally negates the sharingan, making it absolutely useless. all it does is save your ass from being mangekyou'd. and why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that itachi said only uchihas can beat another uchiha? it's not like he said it for no reason.
If gai can monitor itachi's movement by lookin at his legs.. then he could possibly get behind itachi and have the chance to get the vision of the whole itachi..
like i said.. gai have trained fighting kakashi with lookin at his legs only.. i doubt kakashi have a slower speed than itachi.. just that his sharingan are slower..
Gaara said he've ultimate defense.. but was penetrate by chidori too..
ALSO please remeber iam NOT saying gai can beat itachi, i think his level is far too low. but if there was somone who used the exact same fighting style as gai but was stronger then yes i think he coudl beat him.
ugh... do you seriously not understand what he means by that? he means that jounins are able to read movements better and more accurately than genins can because jounins are more skilled and experienced.Quote:
Originally posted by: kyuubi_
so you mean that jounins have better eyes ?
how bout hokage ? they've about the same eyes as sharingan ?
If Gai have to fight itachi.. he won't be that dumb to only stay there and monitor Itachi's leg... but with his high speed movement.. don't you think itachi will have trouble dodgin attacks ??
you bring up making fast seals and the speed of a taijutsu user. think about this. which do you think is faster? moving hands and fingers or moving your whole body? fighting against a taijutsu user, it gives itachi more time to read and react to the opponents' movements compared to reading and reacting to simple and quick hand seals.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
ok here goes at last a thought out reply. thought but full of holes iam sorry to say.
ok so ill give you that obvioulsy itachi can use normal shringan for a hell of a lot longer than kakashi (only assumed but pretty much taken for granted). you seem to have accepted that mangekyou sharingan will nt be a part baring an incredible lapse of concentration on the part of whomever fights him (or the lack of knowledged would so it of course). so other than stamina what advatages do you know FOR A FACT from the anime that being from the uchiha clan actually gives you? lets say for example (and iam being generous because its never implyed) that it does confer on the user some insane speed when performing jinjutsu. so what? i hardley think the speed of creating seals matters to someone who doesnt even use it in battle at all. therefore someone using gais style clearly is at no loss if we put him at the same ratio of power that is apparent in gai v kakashi. i say it doesnt matter because obviously gai has some skill in countering or evading the techniques and its the speed of the technique itself that will ultimatley be the decider not the quater of a second less it takes to form the seals.
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ok so i think that sums that up. stamina is th eonly issue here. itachi has it kakashi doesnt. gai CLEARLY has it as he is a physical type person. so while its certainly less of an issue than you make it out to be its still a *slight* issue.
S-K i dont care what you say. the lee V sasuke fight is a PERFECT example of what to expect (of course not as one sided but still). we can see it STATED that its all fine and dandy if you can see it coming but if you cannt physically bring your had to there leg then they will kick you. you see how shocked sasuke is at lees NATURAL movement, and yes i relise that there is a VERY high chance that itachi has fought somone close to or even matching gais speed so again that point is belittled somwhat. so then you say sasuke isnt fully developed eh? well neither is lee. its clearly a comparable situation they are both weak, both at the same level same as gai and kakashi, same as who ever would fight itachi with gai's style. do you think that neji vs lee wouldnt be an accurate foreshadowing of the head of the clan vs gai?
and mutata unless your going to adress other people who insult me (to whom i was replying BTW) i suggest you keep your opinion to yourself. the guy who posted before me was spamming and i didnt want to ignore him as thats what i did initial to all these idiots and people like S-K appeared who think they can argue with everything i say and insult me for no reason without me replying. aint happenin.
and just in case you didn't read this, tell me what you think about this scenario in my post:
and as for addressing people. i don't care if someone insults you or you insult them. just don't put up a post with two meaningless, irrelevant words cuz that's spamming.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
ok, listen. after gai or a non-uchiha who is on itachi's level and uses gai's method fights itachi...let's call this man fighter A. ok, well, let's see. itachi still can use the sharingan (not mangekyou sharingan) to read, copy, and defeat all jutsus fighter A can perform while figher A can only look at itachi's feet and try to guess what itachi's next move is. who do you think will win? the guy who is fighting without any disadvantages or the guy who is constantly looking at the feet.
it's like, you guys think that gai's method totally negates the sharingan, making it absolutely useless. all it does is save your ass from being mangekyou'd. and why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that itachi said only uchihas can beat another uchiha? it's not like he said it for no reason.
LOL wow, man... you are just incredible.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
EDIT: people have posted b4 this one got there so ill add something. mutat it means nothing that he said only another uchiha can beat him, people say stuff all the time sthat is just plain BS. its just trash talk.
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you still don't get it do you, moron? posting stupid crap like what you wrote underneath is considered spam. i'm just waiting for a mod to tell you that you're an idiot. may not happen but whatevers.
but five or six is ok right?
EDIT: ok ill refere you back to my point that mnay boxer fight by looking ta the feat. if you do anything with any force whatsoever your feet show it, they show which way you are about to run, they show which hand will throw the next punch. also we havent seen a sinlge example of a silent technique (AFAIK apart form itachis) therefore as soon asits performed gai knows what it is.
also your fogetting the fact hat gai has obvioulsy trained with this method, therefore it will probly prove to be a LOT less of a handicap as you would imagein
EDIT again: no i do get it. i get it completely. but why on earth do you feel the need to single me out for such things when clearly just a msg or two before someone did it also. beacuse? iam arguing with you.
anyway.. gai is not goin to use just his eyes lookin at itachi's feet.. he can use his other senses like ears to hear where is itachi really goin.. if he ain't sure which kind of minor movement of itachi's feet will show what movement itachi'll make.. then i've no idea who will..
im sure most of the high level jounins and the hokage can easily match lee's speed....when it comes to genjutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu, they are on a whole different level than genins are.....so yes, if jounins can move that fast themselves, then should be able to see the movements just the same....Quote:
Originally posted by: kyuubi_
so you mean that jounins have better eyes ?
how bout hokage ? they've about the same eyes as sharingan ?
If Gai have to fight itachi.. he won't be that dumb to only stay there and monitor Itachi's leg... but with his high speed movement.. don't you think itachi will have trouble dodgin attacks ??
and just as kakashi used that water barrier jutsu, itachi could perform defensive and offensive jutsus just the same, except very quickly
nice job applying real life to an anime. it'll definitely support your theory. <--- sarcasm.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
but five or six is ok right?
EDIT: ok ill refere you back to my point that mnay boxer fight by looking ta the feat. if you do anything with any force whatsoever your feet show it, they show which way you are about to run, they show which hand will throw the next punch. also we havent seen a sinlge example of a silent technique (AFAIK apart form itachis) therefore as soon asits performed gai knows what it is.
also your fogetting the fact hat gai has obvioulsy trained with this method, therefore it will probly prove to be a LOT less of a handicap as you would imagein
EDIT again: no i do get it. i get it completely. but why on earth do you feel the need to single me out for such things when clearly just a msg or two before someone did it also. beacuse? iam arguing with you.
and i'm not forgetting anything. gai looking at kakashi's feet isn't gonna make him a winner, it's just gonna possibly negate genjutsus performed by sharingan. and it's not like kakashi is gonna use the sharingan every second... he'll lose if does so. and you say A LOT less of a handicap... well, it's still a handicap, no? no matter what, gai's method ultimately puts you at a disadvantage.
and listen, i pointed you out because there are only TWO things i look for when i'm arguing/discussing on the forums in situations like this: any reference to my name and any reply by the people i'm arguing with. so i ignore majority of the posts in the thread. and don't tell me i'm missing out on whatever... i haven't missed out anything yet.
you're making it sound as if taijutsu is not a jutsu. remember how easily sasuke's crap sharingan copied lee's moves?Quote:
Originally posted by: kyuubi_
Yah assertnfailure, I agree with the way you explain yourself with the eyes thing.. but don't forget the fact that if Gai is to battle Itachi.. there won't be much jutsus for Itachi to copy.. and of coz.. you can copy hand seals better than other physical movements coz you're more familiar with it...
that also explains that there sharingan won't be as good as you see from copyin other's movement like what it did from copyin jutsus..
well, if you're gonna go that far with it, then what's the point of discussing? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: kyuubi_
you said anime. so why can't Gai defeat Itachi ? since it's anime then everything can don't make any sense. it'll be what the creator wants it to be.
and don't multipost. use the edit button, kthx.
Yah assertnfailure, I agree with the way you explain yourself with the eyes thing.. but don't forget the fact that if Gai is to battle Itachi.. there won't be much jutsus for Itachi to copy.. and of coz.. you can copy hand seals better than other physical movements coz you're more familiar with it...
that also explains that there sharingan won't be as good as you see from copyin other's movement like what it did from copyin jutsus..
you said anime. so why can't Gai defeat Itachi ? since it's anime then everything can don't make any sense. it'll be what the creator wants it to be.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
nice job applying real life to an anime. it'll definitely support your theory. <--- sarcasm.
you jusyt nullified every possible discussion EVER.
i was referring to the fact that itachi prolly copied tons of jutsus from other ninjas he has encountered....sharingan users can remember jutsus that they copy, i'm sure itachi knows plenty to use against gai without having to steal any of gai'sQuote:
Originally posted by: kyuubi_
Yah assertnfailure, I agree with the way you explain yourself with the eyes thing.. but don't forget the fact that if Gai is to battle Itachi.. there won't be much jutsus for Itachi to copy.. and of coz.. you can copy hand seals better than other physical movements coz you're more familiar with it...
that also explains that there sharingan won't be as good as you see from copyin other's movement like what it did from copyin jutsus..
Well. I skipped a cuple of pages. But man. Dosnt the Sharigan Take eye contact to work? Sure he has all the skills he copied. but yah. if you dont make eye contact it dose nothing
eye contact is only necessary for hypnosis and mangekyou
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[i]Originally posted by: Mut@t@it's like saying, 'oh, a wooden shield can protect you from a bow and arrow so therefore it'll do the same against a machine gun.'
But the bullets will never hit if the f***er cant aim the gun. From what Ive seen you have to make eye contact with him. So I would say looking at the feet would work.
jeesh...the eye contact is only neccesary for the genjutsu techniques, the sharingan can still anticipate movements without having to look into the eyes of the opponent.
gai's method is ineffective. it ultimately puts you at a disadvantage even if you are at the same level, in terms of fighting skills, as the sharingan user .
We didnt see Gai's method. Without seeing it in action it is impossible to tell if it would ultimatly put him at a disadvantage or not. Saying anything is for certain is just ignorance.
What we did see was Itachi respect Gai' fighting ability, telling Kisame not to underestimate him. Gai also didn't show any fear standing infront of Itachi which is either due to extreme stupidity (Mutata' will go with this one) or a belief he could fight him. None of this means Gai could stand a chance vs Itachi though.
I for one think Gai couldn't defeat Itachi. Gai never shows any sign of him believing he could win, just that he could fight him till reinforcements could appear.
what the hell are you talking about, don't act like you know me. gai stood there wanting to fight them because not only did he know that more people were coming, gai isn't a pussy.Quote:
Originally posted by: Shin_Naruto
We didnt see Gai's method. Without seeing it in action it is impossible to tell if it would ultimatly put him at a disadvantage or not. Saying anything is for certain is just ignorance.
What we did see was Itachi respect Gai' fighting ability, telling Kisame not to underestimate him. Gai also didn't show any fear standing infront of Itachi which is either due to extreme stupidity (Mutata' will go with this one) or a belief he could fight him. None of this means Gai could stand a chance vs Itachi though.
I for one think Gai couldn't defeat Itachi. Gai never shows any sign of him believing he could win, just that he could fight him till reinforcements could appear.
Holy shit. I can't believe this is even a debate.
In order for the Sharingan to work, the user has to make eye contact. Itachi cannot harm someone, even with the Mange Sharingan, who is not looking into his eyes. If Gai-sensei can fight effectively without looking at Itachi's eyes, then he cannot be harmed by the Sharingan's genjutsu, predictive abilities, etc.
If Itachi's Sharingan was a bazillion times more powerful than Kakashi's, and it amplified every copied technique's power 100,000-fold, it wouldn't matter because Gai knows not to look into his eyes and get raped by Itachi's Sharingan.
This started off a Resonable Debate but this is more like a Flame war. who ever Argues the longest wins.
shad up kumiriko, i say keep the flame war going. I like reading these types of topics. it makes me laugh
FLAME WAR........GO!!!!
Let me put this into perspective for you all.
Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru
Kakashi is scared shitless of Orochimaru and admits he'd be easily killed by him
Kakashi and Gai are at the same level
Therefore,Itachi could wipe the floor with Gai.Some of you act like all Itachi has is his sharingan,he was a fucking ANBU captain,not a ramen bitch.Of course he is well-rounded in all areas;taijutsu included.Why do you think Asuma and Kurenaii couldn't keeo up with him.They could follow Lee when he started opening gates,but they couldn't follow Itachi,starting to make sense now?
Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
what the hell are you talking about, don't act like you know me.
Is English your first language?Quote:
gai stood there wanting to fight them because not only did he know that more people were coming, gai isn't a pussy.
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this is what i meant to say: gai stood there wanting to fight them because not only did he know that more people were coming, he wasn't gonna back down. gai isn't a pussy.
my thoughts were cluttered.
but nice attempt at trying to get me for my mistakes by asking me if english is my first language even though i've been speaking it perfectly the whole time, moron.
I'll agree with Y The Alien that this seems an odd thing to have a long debate about.
First off, I don't read the manga, so I have no problem with being proven wrong. But here's my opinion.
The hypnosis doesn't work on people who aren't looking at the sharingan user's eyes. Looking at the person's feet would protect you from the hypnosis, but you'd probably get jacked by something else.
The sharingan does give the user a tremendous advantage regardless of the hypnosis.
Itachi does seem like the strongest person right now, and can probably beat anyone (not sure about Jiraiya).
Jounins are in a completely different class of speed/strength from genins (and probably chuunins). They could all probably fight effectively against Lee (if he doesn't unlock gates).
The Gai vs Kakashi rivalry is probably mostly a good match-up because of Gai's taijutsu vs Kakashi's ninjutsu. From what Gai says, it seems that he's able to avoid genjutsu from the Sharingan. So for those of you who wonder why it's even a great rivalry when the Sharingan can't hypnotise him, it's because of the other techniques that Kakashi has copied. He is Konoha's #1 technique specialist after all.
And I get the impression that Gai is much stronger/faster than Kakashi. He hasn't shown any indication of ninjutsu or genjutsu (not saying he can't, just that he hasn't), so probably spends all his time working out. If he wasn't considerably better at taijutsu, then he'd get owned by Kakashi's ninjutsu.
All signs points that Gai will beat Itachi? What the FARK are these signs everyone is talking about?
Lee and sasuke's fight was not a good example at all! cuz Sasuke is a weak lil boy who gets beaten by a loser that tried so hard to succeed. but we know itachi has speed. afterall he freaking caught sasuke's chidori... and his jutsu speed is incredible fast, im sure gai (a nin without a sharingan) cannot see through his jutsu speed.
++++++++PLUS ISN'T IT HARD ENOUGH TO BEAT SOMEONE BY LOOKING AT THEIR FEET? NOW YOU HAVE A DAMN UCHIHA GENIUS TO WORRY ABOUT.++++++++
exactly. plus itachi's sharingan genjutsu technique is not his only strength, we already now he needs to make eye contact for that to work, but he doesnt need to eye contact to predict movements and counter at incredible speed. in addition itachi might have all sorts of techniques the leaf ninja have never even seen, those he developed, and ones he has seen performed by other members of the organization he is a member of. looking at itachi's feet may protect you from one of his weapons, but he has plenty of others.
wow... finally people are realizing that gai's method is ineffective even if an opponent, who is the same fighting level as itachi, use it. my job is done.
This thread is suppose to be about Counter the Sharingan. Not if Gai can beat Itchi. Gai's way dose get around the main dangers but that dosnt avoid it. So the fact remains it works. just dosnt protect agest anything eles
I've been saying it the whole time, his method is retarded. Looking at someones feet will never win you a battle.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
wow... finally people are realizing that gai's method is ineffective even if an opponent, who is the same fighting level as itachi, use it. my job is done.
This is about countering the sharingan. I know gai would get his ass kicked but I think his feet method would counter it. After he looks at itachis feet he would get beat really fast, but not by the sharingan.
Then agane. Fighting Blind isnt alwas a Bad thing. Sight is over rated.
Try staying on topic rather than trying to make your self seem smart.Quote:
Is English your first language?Quote:
gai stood there wanting to fight them because not only did he know that more people were coming, gai isn't a pussy.
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In the end it would counter some of the abilities of the Sharingan though it is doubtful that it would make up for the loss of sight.
LMAO!! Am I the only one who finds it funny to watch Naruto geeks run amock!
I'll take a spin on this.
I cannot really say who is stronger or not since they have not fought, however if they were to fight I can say that my money would be on Itachi.
Wow. People are finally realizing that Gai's method is inneffective, even if Itachi' opponent was of equal fighting ability and was using Gai's method. My job is done.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
wow... finally people are realizing that gai's method is ineffective even if an opponent, who is the same fighting level as itachi, use it. my job is done.
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My question earlier wasnt to demean you. I honestly thought English was your second language. Your usage of the word moron earlier though was quite excellent. http://forums.gotwoot.net/i/ratingicons/thumbsup.gifhttp://forums.gotwoot.net/i/ratingicons/thumbsup.gif
I'll keep that in mind... next time I have to read a sentence three times to figure out what was meant to be said. That keeps the topics rolling right along.Quote:
Try staying on topic rather than trying to make your self seem smart.
duh.. but we're talkin bout Mut@t@ disagreeing gai's method will work.. anyway.. Itachi became andu squad leader at such a young age.. who's not afraid ?Quote:
Originally posted by: Shin_Naruto
We didnt see Gai's method. Without seeing it in action it is impossible to tell if it would ultimatly put him at a disadvantage or not. Saying anything is for certain is just ignorance.
What we did see was Itachi respect Gai' fighting ability, telling Kisame not to underestimate him. Gai also didn't show any fear standing infront of Itachi which is either due to extreme stupidity (Mutata' will go with this one) or a belief he could fight him. None of this means Gai could stand a chance vs Itachi though.
I for one think Gai couldn't defeat Itachi. Gai never shows any sign of him believing he could win, just that he could fight him till reinforcements could appear.
Precisely.. no one thought of the fact that if someone who's taijutsu can be much better than Gai which is at itachi's level could simply use the "Look at his feet" technique and screw his ass up..Quote:
Originally posted by: Kumiriko
This thread is suppose to be about Counter the Sharingan. Not if Gai can beat Itchi. Gai's way dose get around the main dangers but that dosnt avoid it. So the fact remains it works. just dosnt protect agest anything eles
lol, sorry my grammar isn't as good as your's. last time i checked, this isn't english 101. so, get a life and stop trying to correct my errors. if it takes you three times to comprehend what i wrote, the you're truly a dumbass. haha [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: Shin_Naruto
Wow. People are finally realizing that Gai's method is inneffective, even if Itachi' opponent was of equal fighting ability and was using Gai's method. My job is done.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
wow... finally people are realizing that gai's method is ineffective even if an opponent, who is the same fighting level as itachi, use it. my job is done.
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My question earlier wasnt to demean you. I honestly thought English was your second language. Your usage of the word moron earlier though was quite excellent. http://forums.gotwoot.net/i/ratingicons/thumbsup.gifhttp://forums.gotwoot.net/i/ratingicons/thumbsup.gif
I'll keep that in mind... next time I have to read a sentence three times to figure out what was meant to be said. That keeps the topics rolling right along.Quote:
Try staying on topic rather than trying to make your self seem smart.
btw, if you're still gonna be correcting my shit, fix up my spelling too. i mess up on that sometimes.
the main thing i like abotu this forum is that people have never tried to correct my spelling. i dont feel like typing perfect english, i can and iam sure everyone else can here too, its a choice i make not to spell check and read through my posts.
i seriously thought this topic would have died, i mean its clear that one group will never accept the theory of the other group (despite it being sound) and vice versa. we should stop this now. it isnt going to end any times soon and more and more people are just flaming away.
EDIT: and abotu the poll started up, ov course gai would stand a *CHANCE* against itachi. it just wouldnt be a very big one, infact it would likley be minute, but id wager hed last longer than kakashi did. also of course itachi would murder gai, his power far exceeds gai's. but the fact still remains looking at the feet (which shows you everything form where they are to where they are going to be in a second) counters sharingan.
The truth: Inconclusive.
thanks for ruining my poll guys.....i was trying to make it a civilized vote instead of just continuing the debate in another thread....but nooooooo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
Y the alien: any reason for me using a "vet" tone is strictly to defend myself from your blatant attempt at flaming.....you had it coming [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
i still dont fail to see how my analagy that to know if gai's method would counter the sharingan by first determining if gai would stand a chance against is in any way off, since being uchiha IS what makes itachi, and gai's fighting style IS what makes gai. If one is false, then the other will be false as well....
this isnt some lame magic: the gathering game where both sides of the fight have many different moves that can be performed and countered, if either gai or itachi's main abilities are defeated, then so are they
...hmm....i dont remember what else you were saying, but i believe this covers it
and chambers, you cant say "of course gai would stand a chance". if most people believe otherwise, then it isnt something that can be assumed. I wouldn't exactly say that kakashi could stand a chance against itachi, but I would say that jiraiya could probably stand a chance against itachi. The difference is in whether or not the good side could possibly land a blow on itachi (or at least a good enough of a possibility to have itachi be more cautious, as he was with jiraiya)
no i believe the analogy is correct, just because it doesnt fit in with what you are saying doesnt make it incorrect. you say if there main abilities are defeated then so are they? from what we have seen of itachi so far he pretty much uses his mangekyou sharingan (right spelling?) to dominate fights. if gai doesnt look at his feet then thats that out of the window does he gain an instant win? DOES HE HELL!Quote:
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
this isnt some lame magic: the gathering game where both sides of the fight have many different moves that can be performed and countered, if either gai or itachi's main abilities are defeated, then so are they
and it is of course obvious gai would stand a chance, if he didnt itachi would have eliinated him with the blink of an eye and walked off, the same goes for kurenai and asuma, if the posed no threat whatsoever he would have just walked right through them. of course they stand a *chance* but its probly just an incredibly small one.
also..........i didnt ruin your poll, i was in bed!!
i wasnt referring to the "mangekyou" as his main ability.....it was acknowleding him being uchiha and having the sharingan....if gai knows of a way to beat the powers of an advanced clan, then he would certainly be capable of winning.
if gai had shown up at the beginning instead of, say, kurenai....then im sure itachi wouldve fought him instead.....it was because at that point there were 4 jounins and more on the way to deal with that itachi decided fighting was pointless and decided to leave.....and i'd have to say that whether a person could survive for 1 second or 1 minute from an attack from itachi wouldn't determine whether or not they "stood a chance"
well despite what youd 'have to say' your wrong. if you can last a round in boxing then you have a chance of winning. if you can throw one punch in one round you have a chance of winning. if you have the chance to throw a single throwing knife you coudl win it.
I'm not too good at spelling =P I know my faults.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
btw, if you're still gonna be correcting my shit, fix up my spelling too. i mess up on that sometimes.
Spelling is not something that should be corrected online, however grammer conveys your point and that is the entire point of posting. If you can't convey exactly what it is you mean to say, then you are missrepresenting your thoughts.
You can almost get through a post without insulting someone... thats so good! GOLD STAR!
now you're comparing it to boxing? seriously.....does the concept of "not taking a fight seriously and toying with the enemy" make any sense? because if you take for example gaara vs the rain nins.....just because those rain nins didnt die the instant gaara showed up, doesnt mean they stood a chance. The main guy even had a chance to "throw a single throwing knife" (although it was more like hundreds of needles), but that didnt give him any more of a chance at winning. boxing is a game in which 2 people are fighting, and each one is capable of beating the crap out of the other if given the opportunity......in naruto, it can be physically impossible for one to beat the other no matter how much time they have to work with or how many kunais are at their disposal
not true, like for example neji vs naruto, there was no way naruto should have been able to stand. like sasuke vs gaara there is no way he should have been able to hit him. narto and sasuke vs kabuza they should never have been able to force him into a losing position form where he was.
all those siutations should nto have been possible, kabuza especially should have murderd naruto an sasuke. but beacus they had a CHANCE it was believable when they overcame the situation. as long as there remains the chance that you can dodge someones attack then you can win. if you can attack you can win. its like if you had a knight and a spearchucker against each other the spearchucker DOES have a chance.
EDIT: damn i knew i was spelling it wrong!
im not surprised naruto stood up from neji's attack....he's known to have the highest stamina out of all the genins....and in fact most things dealing with naruto you cant use in reference to match ups with other characters....because the mere fact that he has a demon inside him lets him defy many things that others couldnt. You're not supposed to take the "stand a chance" concept literally.....because by the same token, there's a CHANCE that a meteor could fall from the sky and land on itachi's head. Is there really a need to analyze this further?
btw, its "zabuza", not "kabuza"
If you are wondering what countering Kakashi has to do with not looking into his eyes, recall that one of Kakashi's strategies is to use hypnotism, like in the fight against Zabuza.
i don't even know what chambers is arguing anymore. either chambers is too thickheaded or he's just sooooooooooooooo smart that we can't comprehend what he is talking about.
Then what exactly does spelling do? i dos koe wet eww mias.Quote:
Spelling is not something that should be corrected online, however grammer conveys your point and that is the entire point of posting. If you can't convey exactly what it is you mean to say, then you are missrepresenting your thoughts.
Pot...kettle...black...Quote:
You can almost get through a post without insulting someone... thats so good! GOLD STAR!
About Neji vs Naruto, the majority of the people watching didn't think he stood a chance but I personaly did belive he stood a chance because of the nine tails, it's prespective.
I get the feeling you under estimate the heros of this show Chambers.
I hope you mean the majority of people in the anime. Nobody here thought the main character was going down in the first round.Quote:
Originally posted by: Jessper
the majority of the people watching didn't think he stood a chance but I personaly did belive he stood a chance because of the nine tails, it's prespective
The difference in Spelling vs Grammer:
Spelling mistakes still convey the idea being posted. You say 'under estimate' and I read 'underestimate'.
Grammer mistakes can create examples where one thing is said and another thing is heard.
Spelling Error = Inconsequential
Grammer Error = Significant
Let me know if there is anything else you need cleared up! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
nah, grammar isn't that important. i've made it to college with my crappy grammar! w00t
EDIT: i'm not talking about grammar anymore, we're way OT. if you really want to know (why the hell would you), you can PM me.
yeah your only taking worse case grammar into acount when you can type like this with no grammar what so ever baring basinc syntax and it still is perfectly readable
What ya study?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
nah, grammar isn't that important. i've made it to college with my crappy grammar! w00t
OMG my brain hurts [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
yeah your only taking worse case grammar into acount when you can type like this with no grammar what so ever baring basinc syntax and it still is perfectly readable
Ya, meant to include the words "in the stadium" but forgot to. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Thanks for the reply, I didn't quite understand what you meant by that for some reason.
I agree with chambers, most people won't have a problem/hissy fit when reading poor grammer on internet forums. Correcting it for people just makes you look like a prick.
what happened to all the insults? keep them going.
how to counter sharingan for dummies!?
1. don't look into sharingan eyes
2. learn how to fight blindly
3. pull sharingan eyes off and make the user blinds
4. alternative use...... it seems dumb..... use mirror......
5. rayban glasses might be useful
6. hypnotic??
7. flashbang
8. use gun...
9. run like a girl
10. be friend with user
By the way Naruto stood NO CHANCE if it weren't for his kyubi chakra. He would have died in the hands of Neji. Believe it.
By the way Neji would stand NO CHANCE if it weren't for his byakugen. He would have died in the hands of Naruto. Believe it.
Exactly. But he has kyubis chakra so it doesnt matter...Quote:
Originally posted by: jing
By the way Naruto stood NO CHANCE if it weren't for his kyubi chakra. He would have died in the hands of Neji. Believe it.
Well, if Neji didn't have his byakugan and Naruto didn't have the Kyubi, it probably would have been a pretty short match.
Neji was faster than Naruto, and just plain better. His gentle fist style (jyuuken?) would have rocked Naruto's world even without seeing the tenketsus. I'm sure it would hurt just as much if he missed the chakra holes as when he hit them. After all, the 3rd exam, it seems to me he was just trying to humiliate Naruto rather than kill him.
hey, hi? you cant use gentle fists without byakugen. And even if you could, it would be useless cuz you can't even hit their chakra holes.
Gai's trick doesn't work, it's settled.