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i cried when kakashi was getting owned D:
and i'm waiting for everyone to jump on gai's nuts cuz he got kisame with a cheap shot and 'saved' the other jounins.
Am I the only person that's been finding the episode's more enjoyable without Sakura in them? Anyway's it was a cool ep, I was expecting more from the fight though.
I just realised why these 2 recent eps were sooo great , khe, khe, khe [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: Aeon
Am I the only person that's been finding the episode's more enjoyable without Sakura in them?
Yeah Kakashi got owned big time. Tortured for 72 hours and it was just a moment in real time. I wanted Sasuke to come and get owned by his big bro, theyre all lucky Itachi just decided to leave. Next ep should be funny, finally Naruto will start checking out girls other than Sakura lol.
next episode looks like a filler
Next episode won't just be a filler i think, It should have some good stuff in it. But this actually does make me wonder if Gai is stronger then kakashi or not. i think it's pretty even now.
I think Gai would have gotten owned by Itachi more than Kakashi did. But if they had stayed he would have only gotten to fight fish face anyway. I think Kakashi is stronger because of his Sharingan, even if its nothing compared to Itachi's.
Next episode can't be all filler, and Gai might be stronger than Kakashi, but not by much. Gai said he knew how to fight against the Sharingan, but Kakashi's is not like Itachi's, he's a moron.
I think Gai is stronger remember when he said that they competed like 100 times and Gai had 49 wins while Kakashi had 48, But I agree with you Corps, Gai fighting Itachi would be like a Lion fighting a ant(and Gai's not the Lion)
Itachi is pretty strong, but Udon is even more fearsome! And don't get me started on Mr. T [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
i think the the whole udon thing is dead now.
Hehehe, yeah but I'm forging Udon's Comeback [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Now I just need an Udon fansig [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
gai isnt necessarily stronger.......he just has more experience with fighting sharingan users than any of those other jounin do
Apparently, he did a small number on fishface. So, he is stronger than the sharkey one.Quote:
Originally posted by: Krbadass
Next episode won't just be a filler i think, It should have some good stuff in it. But this actually does make me wonder if Gai is stronger then kakashi or not. i think it's pretty even now.
Come to think of it, we've never *seen* Gai get defeated, though we can assume that Kakashi probably got the best of him at some point in the past .. but the 50 to 49 thing might include 90-something games of janko or rock-paper-scissors lol [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Hmmm I think Gai could maybe put up a better fight if he had fast speed than Lee with out the weights. If Itachi couldnt see him then he couldnt copy him?? But I am probably wrong. All he would have to do is catch him once put him in a jutsu like he did Kakashi and it would be over. I think Gai could put up a better fight against Itachi though. I wanted to see them duke it out. I know Gai would of lost but it would of been awesome. They don't show enough of him fighting.
That jutsu he did was awesome! I wonder since Kyuubis chakra is merging with Naruto... won't they become like 1 adventually?? If that ever happens... wouldn't the seal be useless?? Because I remember Orchi saying that they where already starting to merge together. Or if there chakra merges... will Kyuubi still be there just without his own chakra then forever depend on Naruto until he dies? Stupid questions but cant help but wonder about them.
I think its so awesome that Jiriaya is going to watch over Naruto.. those 2 are so perfect together.
#1 - you are suggesting that Gai is slower than lee - and by that somehow implying that lee > gai?
#2 - the chakras are mixing - Naruto is able to extract chakra from kyubi and some of kyubi's chakra is being used as Naruto matures as a ninja - its not necessarily Kyubi's soul takes over Naruto's althought hat is quite possible. But as jirayia says in oh say episodes 54 or so (when he is training Naruto on water walking and unseals orochimaru's seal, the seal is meant to allow only chakra to leak out.
and as far as seeing fast lee/gai - if you remember Kakashi could see Lee moving with his sharingan in episodes 48-49 when lee had his weights off + 5 gates opened... and he has ghetto sharingan so we can safefully assume that Itachi coudl read it like a freaking open book...also note
Sasuke's undeveloped sharingan was able to read Gaara's movement when he was using his tail to fling himself at sasuke - sharingan predicts movement (i.e. kind of see future - refer to the episode with Zabuza + kakashi fight - episode 18 it hink).
The shin otaku version left a whole damn lot unexplained with their translations - for example the scene where Kakashi is fighting Itachi before he whips out the mange sharingan - the translation doens't make any sense - and the Naruto series is actually quite good at explaining what happened in certain jutsu battles
as far as Episode 83 is concerned - i would expect alot to be filler but there is relevance if memory serves right so dont be too disappointed
it was a pretty cool episode.
I think its the first time we learned gai sensei's full name : MAITO GAI.
Oh yeah, I guess now we do know that Kisame and Zabuza have some history together. Since Kisame said to Kakashi something like 'your the one who killed that zabuza kid' and then he says 'we need to dish out some pain.' Seemed like he wasnt to happy about it...
Oh well for Kisame, not like hell be around once the genins get stronger and kick his ass around the corner into hell, and now that Bakasan is gone shin-otaku is now the worst subbing, it makes me want to literally want to walk up to A/A doorstep and force him to hurry up with their version
lol your a dumbass unless you want to learn japanese you shouldent be complaining about the subbers.
This was a very cool episode, finally got to see some(if not all) of the sharingan's true power. I wish Gai fought more but oh well. I cant wait to see the move Jirayri is going to teach Naruto that's better than the Chidori.
As for 83, I dont care if it's filler, it looks funny. I hope it's as good as the ep where Ebisu came back to train Naruto, i laughed so hard through that one.
hmm I wasn't saying Gai wasn't faster than Lee other than I dont know but sure he is. I am a bit bad at wording things... sounds good in my head but when I type it out seems to always get confusing. O well.
LMFAO I wouldn't want A/A to be faster because that would mean they wouldnt take their time in doing such a wonderful job at translating. To me good translation is the best =D
Think Jiriaya was serious on teaching him a great move or just saying that to get him to on the trip with him?? I cant wait till Tsu comes into the series I just hope its not dragged out to long.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahaha. nice!Quote:
Originally posted by: Hinata-chan
...and he [kakashi] has ghetto sharingan so we can safefully assume that Itachi coudl read it like a freaking open book...also note
anyway, on to how strong kisame really is. we don't know, we can't assume anything except that he should be stronger than zabuza cuz there is no point of introducing a similar character like that but weaker. and getting kisame with a cheapshot doesn't make gai stronger than kisame in anyway.
Saw the raw, but not the translation yet. Still waiting on A/A. I can't wait to see the next episode. Its gonna be great!
Edit: Lost Angel please resize your sig to the right size.
i think its perfectly reasonably to criticize a group's subbing accuracy....Quote:
Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
lol your a dumbass unless you want to learn japanese you shouldent be complaining about the subbers.
if they arent going to translate stuff properly, then i'd certainly prefer they wouldnt translate it at all.....
the only thing worse about not knowing what oro and kabuto was talking about in the 81 raw is when oro said "i must kill all the uchihas" in the 81 S-O
did gai do the jutsu of water and then kick kisame, or did kisame do the jutsu but gai suprised attack him. I kinda hoped that they would fight, but then Gai, kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma would of gotten owned in the end by Itachi.
Kisame and Zabuza part of the same sword group, the red moon organization, the organization going after certain powers,...............so much information in this episode.
Itachis sharingan is killer, maybe he left Sasuke alive because he has the the ability to obtain that power too.
About the fourths legacy...Naruto, does that mean that the fourth was really his father?
Loved this episode cant wait for the next.
Some Tsunade huntin next
When they say the "Fourth's Legacy," Itachi merely means that Naruto was left behind by the Fourth as an incarnation of Kyuubi. Doesn't necessarily mean they're related in any way.
I believe the "fourths legacy" was refering to the sealed Kyuubi inside of Naruto.Quote:
About the fourths legacy...Naruto, does that mean that the fourth was really his father?
lol guess i wasn't fast enough to reply first
Did you people notice that Saski as a special room for sulken in his place?
He's taking the art of resentment to new heights.
i think kakashi told sasuke to hide there, he thought itachi was after sasuke.
kinda looks like that place konohamaru and iruka went to during the whole sound and sand nin invasion a few eps back
considering that kakashi was going to that store to get an offering for obito, maybe sasuke picked something up for his clan
He said that he couldn't eat Natto and something else, so I wonder if he bought anything at all. I mean why wouldn't he say that if he was buying something to bring to their graves? Kakashi said clearly that he was getting something for Obito. Why Saska wouldn't say something similar?Quote:
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
considering that kakashi was going to that store to get an offering for obito, maybe sasuke picked something up for his clan
I really don't believe that he cares for his dead family as much as he says.
If he did, he'd be planning of breeding to restore the clan and so he wouldn't be treating Sakura the way he does.
That or they don't teach in the academy where babies come from.
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I believe the "fourths legacy" was refering to the sealed Kyuubi inside of Naruto.
i never really thought about that, i guess.Quote:
When they say the "Fourth's Legacy," Itachi merely means that Naruto was left behind by the Fourth as an incarnation of Kyuubi. Doesn't necessarily mean they're related in any way.
I think that Sasuke acts the way he does is because if people get close to him, they would just hold him down and get in his way, therefore he just pushes everyone away.
Sasuke probably doesn't want to think about his family because it reminds him of how useless and unpowerful he was back then
That's why I said the only reason Saska went to his family shrine was to sulk and feel miserable because Naruto is stronger than him. He should compare himself to Sakura, he'd feel better.Quote:
Originally posted by: tensai
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I believe the "fourths legacy" was refering to the sealed Kyuubi inside of Naruto.
i never really thought about that, i guess.Quote:
When they say the "Fourth's Legacy," Itachi merely means that Naruto was left behind by the Fourth as an incarnation of Kyuubi. Doesn't necessarily mean they're related in any way.
I think that Sasuke acts the way he does is because if people get close to him, they would just hold him down and get in his way, therefore he just pushes everyone away.
Sasuke probably doesn't want to think about his family because it reminds him of how useless and unpowerful he was back then
In reply to Sharigan predicting the future:
"It is also said that the Sharingan can see the future; however, this is a false statement, as Zabuza explains it. According to him, the Sharingan cannot see the future; instead, it uses a series of steps to create the illusion that the ninja can foresee the future, making his opponent think so.
The ninja first uses his eye to scare the opponent; he then uses a very smart hypnotist genjutsu, which gives the enemy the illusion that the ninja can see the future. Following that, the enemy is really scared, and starts performing a jutsu; the Sharingan then copies all of the movements, so it looks as if the user can predict his movements by moving the same way as the enemy. Next, through the hypnotic jutsu, the Sharingan suggests a jutsu to the enemy. Finally, since the user knows what seal will be performed, he just copies the movement with his Sharingan, scaring the enemy even more! "
Source: http://www.narutofan.com/index.php/c...ines,sharingan
hmm.....well thanks.......
but, was anybody questioning the sharingan seeing the future? mustve missed that post
btw, you cant exactly use narutofan as a reliable source to back up an argument.....they are more or less mere otakus just like the rest of us
I think it was a good episode. Hahaha, I love that music that they played when Gai kicked Kisame.
either way, sharingan is a bloody good thing to have [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
cool ep, i liked how they made itachi look like the ultimate bad ass. I mean he just looks at you and after 1 sec ur down on the floor feeling like youve been tortured for 72 hours and now you can't do shit. I mean he beat kakashi that easily.
Another thing, when you think about it, only Kakashi itachi and sasuke have the sharingan now and if you need sharingan to fight sharingan and Itachi owned Kakashi than that means the only way to defeat Itachi is for Sasuke to own him but thats a little far fetched since Itachi is stronger than Oro...
Anyway im starting to wonder if all mist ninja's have big freaking swords with them and every mist ninja kid when he turns 10 or something picks one O_O
It's obvious that Sasuke should eventually be the one to defeat Itachi, his statement that only a Sharingan-user of the Uchiha can defeat him reinstated that fact. It'll just be a long time before Sasuke is strong enough.
Hmm Bakasan seems to have subbed 82! go check it out at www.bakasan.net
I guess the group is not gone after all! But they should have released it earlier coz shin-otaku seems to have taken over for this week
wohooo Bakasan lives! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] reffering to post below...yeah someone just dl'd it and its just 81 labeled as 82, maybe he messed up or something. anyway im waiting for a/a's to come out so i can delete the s-o one.
um... is it me or is the naruto from bakasan episode 81 labeled as 82[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
lol you guys that bakasan episode 82 is a fake if you read the check sum it says its a "I am Fake"
umm, why has this topic been started when the anbu-aone version issent out?
.................because the shin otaku version is out
I always thought they waited for the anbu version b4 they started this topic o.O
Now that itachi says Naruto is the 4ths legacy, can we safely assume hes his son...
Also, i think that the last few episodes have been a big reminder after all the other characters being really powerful that the anime is ultimately about Naruto and most likely Naruto will be the strongest when its all said and done, the anime is called Naruto after all
YUP YUP YUP!! Its going to be him. I remember when Orchi was fighting Sasuke in the forest he said he could sense power in his eyes that surpasses Itachi. So I think after some hard freaking ass training... what I like to call Rock Lee Training... he should be able to fight him.Quote:
Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
It's obvious that Sasuke should eventually be the one to defeat Itachi, his statement that only a Sharingan-user of the Uchiha can defeat him reinstated that fact. It'll just be a long time before Sasuke is strong enough.
there is no such thing as a safe assumption - the legacy refers to the Naruto due tot he fact that Naruto has Kyubi sealed inside of him - as explained by Jirayia - Akatsuku is after it...
dont bring in circumstantial evidence such as his looks or OMG he was a baby right then and ther must be 4th hokage's way of empowering his son - also you need to understand it may be ap oor translation done by Shin Otaku cuz everyboyd knows they definately are pretty damn bad....
and as far as stating the obvious goes - where did that come up?
also - how would itachi know that Naruto is the 4th's son? ok so he is about oh .... im not sure 5-6 years older than Sasuke/Naruto - now if HE knew wouldn't everybody else and their mother know?
if the secret of the kyubi inside of him came out so easily why wouldn't this have?
im not saying that he isn't - im just saying that simply saying that he's his son because one guy makes a reference to naruto as a legacy when it could be naruto / kyubi / naruto's hair whatever is not enough evidence ot make an assumption or confuse further readers that there is enough evidence to support taht claim.
its cool to speculate but have some evidence [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
The rules have changed, stop living in the past!Quote:
Originally posted by: PoDy
I always thought they waited for the anbu version b4 they started this topic o.O
This ep was SO great! A lot of background information about Itachi, the Red Moon Organization and their goal. Also we got to see Ero-Sennin taking Naruto's fate seriously. I never thought that he could be that serious.
Wow, that "72 hours of Pain" jutsu is serious ownage. Leaf village is lucky that Itachi doesn't want to start a war, because he is WAY too powerful for any villager, even Ero-Sennin, Kakashi and ANBU. The only one that could beat him is Sasuke, and he's not ready yet.
well the reference to Naruto as "4th's legacy" is circumpstancial evidence to me.Quote:
Originally posted by: Hinata-chan
its cool to speculate but have some evidence [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
I am guessing because if anyone would knew anything about it would be Orchi. I mean didn't Jiriaya left before Orchi and knew everything. If that is the reason why they want Naruto. Rather or not Naruto is the forths son... which I think he is... I still think they are after Kyuubi because what other purpose would they want Naruto for??Quote:
Originally posted by: Hinata-chan
also - how would itachi know that Naruto is the 4th's son? ok so he is about oh .... im not sure 5-6 years older than Sasuke/Naruto - now if HE knew wouldn't everybody else and their mother know?
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Originally posted by: Hinata-chan
'there is no such thing as a safe assumption - the legacy refers to the Naruto due tot he fact that Naruto has Kyubi sealed inside of him - as explained by Jirayia - Akatsuku is after it...'
well i also thought that meant naruto has some more relation to the 4th other than the fact that the 4th sealed kyubi inside naruto. i mean why would he seal it in a random baby anyway...
'also - how would itachi know that Naruto is the 4th's son? ok so he is about oh .... im not sure 5-6 years older than Sasuke/Naruto - now if HE knew wouldn't everybody else and their mother know?'
really 5-6 years? i always thought he was probably 10 years older, since sasuke is what 12-13? so i assumed itachi was probably in his early 20s like 22-23. and the other villagers may know that the 4th is naruto's dad, just like they knew kyubi was sealed in him.
my point is really we dont know
i agree there is alot fo stuff that in theory coudl present itself but there is nothign concrete as of yet
who knows - the REAL tranlsation (ANBU/AonE) will tell us more perhaps than SO's version
i agree as far as a relationship - but we cant just assume things [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] - it'd be like assuming that Kakashi is a half-breed Uchiha just because he only has one eye or something
and again - we erally dont know much - even with the manga
Just wondering how you can assume that Itachi is more powerful than Ero-Sennin, when Ero-Sennin is yet to show what he's made of? Plus, don't know why everyone thinks you must have a true Sharingan bloodline to beat sharingan, I think it was pretty clear at the end there that by simple not looking at their eyes you can avoid much of the sharingan's ultiamte powers.Quote:
Originally posted by: Luchio
Leaf village is lucky that Itachi doesn't want to start a war, because he is WAY too powerful for any villager, even Ero-Sennin, Kakashi and ANBU. The only one that could beat him is Sasuke, and he's not ready yet.
I believe the whole "must be sharingan to overcome me" statement is strictly made in reference to the 72 Hour's of pain move...I think it meant that only a true sharingan bloodline limit can see through the move and thus not have to lose focus of the eyes.
My 2 cents.
Weshy.
yeah, SO version of 81 left out so much info that AA had, so AA's 82 should have more info, probably...but i wouldnt know because i dont speak japanese.
i was wondering, since Kakashi got tortured for 72 hrs which was really one second in real time, what if his bloodline limit caught Asuma and Kurenai? would they show them being tortured together or something, i know its genjutsu, but.....i dont know.......too confusing.....
Probably comes from the fact that Oro explicitly stated that Itachi was stronger than he was, and that Oro is supposed to be the strongest of the legendary three.Quote:
Originally posted by: Weshy
Just wondering how you can assume that Itachi is more powerful than Ero-Sennin, when Ero-Sennin is yet to show what he's made of? Plus, don't know why everyone thinks you must have a true Sharingan bloodline to beat sharingan, I think it was pretty clear at the end there that by simple not looking at their eyes you can avoid much of the sharingan's ultiamte powers.
I believe the whole "must be sharingan to overcome me" statement is strictly made in reference to the 72 Hour's of pain move...I think it meant that only a true sharingan bloodline limit can see through the move and thus not have to lose focus of the eyes.
My 2 cents.
Weshy.
When was it ever stated that Oro is the strongest of the Sennin? For all we know the Sennin can be the complete opposite of team 7 with Tsunade being the strongest and Oro being the weakest. Plus Frog Summon's>Snake Summon's.Quote:
Probably comes from the fact that Oro explicitly stated that Itachi was stronger than he was, and that Oro is supposed to be the strongest of the legendary three.
i figured tsunade was the strongest but who knows, there probably isnt much difference in strength between oro, jiraiya, and tsunade, and if itachi is stronger than oro then he is probably stronger than the other sennin.
We don't know that Oro is the strongest of the three. Nowhere in the anime has it ever said that. You might be able to argue that he's the strongest since the 3rd wanted to make him Hokage, but that still wouldn't provide conclusive evidence. So far all we've seen of Jiraiya is his frog instantly kick the 3 headed snake's ass. So, in a sense at this point, it seems that Jiraiya is stronger than Oro considering that Oro is the snake sannin. Also, the two elders of Konoha tried to make Jiraiya hokage and, when he suggested Tsunade, they didn't seem too excited about the idea. While on the topic of the two elders, is it possible/likely that they were the other two people who trained with sandaime under the 1st and 2nd hokages?
I have a question though. Jiraiya said that within Akatsuki they move in groups of two. Does that mean that Kabuto was Orochimaru's partner within Akatsuki? If so, I think that would put Kabuto significantly ahead of Kakashi in terms of strength. Has anybody ever noticed a ring on Kabuto's finger?
NOTE: when i say stronger, i mean in stronger in overall skills, abilities, and talent, not just pure strength.Quote:
Originally posted by: Weshy
Just wondering how you can assume that Itachi is more powerful than Ero-Sennin, when Ero-Sennin is yet to show what he's made of? Plus, don't know why everyone thinks you must have a true Sharingan bloodline to beat sharingan, I think it was pretty clear at the end there that by simple not looking at their eyes you can avoid much of the sharingan's ultiamte powers.
I believe the whole "must be sharingan to overcome me" statement is strictly made in reference to the 72 Hour's of pain move...I think it meant that only a true sharingan bloodline limit can see through the move and thus not have to lose focus of the eyes.
My 2 cents.
Weshy.
we don't know if itachi is stronger than ero-sennin, but if orochimaru fears itachi then we can assume that jiraiya should have trouble fighting against him. also, itachi said that only a true sharingan user can defeat him. that line should be a hint to who is capable of defeating a master sharingan user.
i'll tell you why everyone thinks that you must have a full blooded uchiha to beat sharingan. when gai said that you can counter/avoid sharingan user by only looking at their feet he is 100% correct. but he is only 100% correct when that person is fighting kakashi only. people have to realize that there is a huge difference between kakashi's and itachi's abilities to use the sharingan. itachi can use the sharingan at full potential while kakashi can only use it to the extent which his body allows. using gai's method to say that you don't need to be a true sharingan user doesn't work cuz kakashi's and itachi's fighting abilities and sharingan skills are at totally different levels.
besides, think about this. gai has trained all of his life fighting kakashi who cannot use the sharingan at maximum. the fighting skills are only trained up to perform against only a intermediate sharingan user. so when gai comes across someone who is a master of sharingan (itachi), he can't match its full power.
and yes, you are correct about only a true uchiha can counter the mangekyou sharingan (tsukiyomi is the name of the genjutsu), but in all aspects of seeing, reading, and copying jutsus, itachi's is far superior to kakashi's (this was proved when kakashi could barely follow with itachi's attacks while itachi had no trouble).
Well, Oro fears Itachi much more because Oro's main line of offense is Jutsus, which the Sharingan can easily read and copy. So far, all we've seen Jiraiya do, really, is Summon. So, we'll just have to guess that Itachi is stronger than Oro and possibly Jiraiya, until we see Jiraiya in action.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
we don't know if itachi is stronger than ero-sennin, but if orochimaru fears itachi then we can assume that jiraiya should have trouble fighting against him. also, itachi said that only a true sharingan user can defeat him. that line should be a hint to who is capable of defeating a master sharingan user.
Another thing is, when Itachi said only a true Sharingan user can defeat him, couldn't that be a bit of arrogance speaking, too? I mean, he is superior to many nins, but that could easily lead to him believing he's unstoppable. He doesn't give many people a second chance to come at him, and he kills them before then, so it's not like he can't be stopped. It's just no one has been able to figure out how to stop him yet. It's true, he's pretty harcore, but I gotta think that there's someone who isn't Sasuke that could defeat him.
You also know that Gai doesn't just train to match someone's power, but he trains four, maybe five, times harder to become better than that person. So, we really don't know. All I know is, Gai is the best!
it is obviously possible that someone else is capable of beating itachi, but we're never going to see it happen. if itachi were to get defeated by someone, it would deface the significane of "there is a man only i can beat" said by sasuke.Quote:
Originally posted by: hoob
It's true, he's pretty harcore, but I gotta think that there's someone who isn't Sasuke that could defeat him.
Yeah, I know Sasuke is destined to defeat Itachi one day. But you know, a part of me kinda hopes that he doesn't, as well. Something along the lines of Sasuke being incredibly rocked by Itachi and dying. Setting up someone to avenge the death of Sasuke. That would be awesome. But, it's most likely never going to happen. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
sarutobi clearly acknowledged orochimaru as the most talented of his 3 pupils....why else would he choose him to be the next hokage?
I don't think that means he's the strongest or the best suited. I think maybe Sarutobi was a little biased in this case, favoring Orochimaru a little more than the others. And as you know, we've only seen a little bit of the past, so there's much more to it than that. We've seen Orochimaru show his strength, we've only seen Jiraiya show a little bit. We have yet to see Tsunade in the anime, so we'll see, I guess.
I don't think Kabuto can be in the Akatsuki since he's not a S rank criminal and that seem's to be the standard you need to get in. Plus Oro stated last ep that he left the group because Itachi was stronger then him. So I guess he's a runaway ninja from them also.Quote:
I have a question though. Jiraiya said that within Akatsuki they move in groups of two. Does that mean that Kabuto was Orochimaru's partner within Akatsuki? If so, I think that would put Kabuto significantly ahead of Kakashi in terms of strength. Has anybody ever noticed a ring on Kabuto's finger?
does sarutobi seem like the kinda guy who'd be biased?
he didnt want to see the evil in oro's eyes, because he knew that a ninja as talented as he is only comes around once in a decade or so (i believe thats pretty close to what he actually says himself).....and WHO was the one who failed the survival training and was tied to a log? JIRAIYA [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Exactly, he didn't want to see the evil in Oro's eyes, he ignored it, hoping that Oro wouldn't be evil. Isn't that bias?
But Naruto was tied up during training too, remember? And he ended up kicked Gaara's ass when Sasuke could barely make a dent, too. So, that has little bearing on someone's ability, rather it has a bearing on their mentality. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] I was cracking up when I saw Jiraiya tied up though. hehe
Jiraiya and Orochimaru are probably at about the same level. Sarutobi wasn't really baised, but more naive for believing the best in Orochimaru. The members who formed Akatsuki were S-rank criminals, but that doesn't mean it's a requirement. Kabuto could probably get in if they felt he could help them achieve their goal.
gaara and naruto are different stories....cause they have their powers from demons
and with your logic hoob, yes.....sarutobi is baised towards orochimaru because of his talent
Yeah, I can't really think of any counterargument to the Jiraiya thing, yet...but I will! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
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and where or when was that stated?
i reckon gai would OWN itachi, also itachi is just one person, its reasonable to assume that while he is performing that technique that he is open to attacks (or at least when he performs it on multiple tagets) . in naruto 1 second is all you need to kill someone.
and anyway isnt nejis bloodline supposed to be better? i think that all in all bar naruto neji will be a pretty powerfull ninja as he learned how to perform his techniques with no trianing from somone else wiht the sam eability (if you ocunt the short stint where his dad was alive).
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Originally posted by: Weshy
Just wondering how you can assume that Itachi is more powerful than Ero-Sennin, when Ero-Sennin is yet to show what he's made of? Plus, don't know why everyone thinks you must have a true Sharingan bloodline to beat sharingan, I think it was pretty clear at the end there that by simple not looking at their eyes you can avoid much of the sharingan's ultiamte powers.Quote:
Originally posted by: Luchio
Leaf village is lucky that Itachi doesn't want to start a war, because he is WAY too powerful for any villager, even Ero-Sennin, Kakashi and ANBU. The only one that could beat him is Sasuke, and he's not ready yet.
I believe the whole "must be sharingan to overcome me" statement is strictly made in reference to the 72 Hour's of pain move...I think it meant that only a true sharingan bloodline limit can see through the move and thus not have to lose focus of the eyes.
My 2 cents.
Weshy.
Well Itachi is stronger then Oro andOro was thestrongest of him, Jiraiya and Tsunade.. He was also that "one in a lifetime" ninja or something like that (the 3rd said something like that).. And so we can asume that Oro hade much more potential then Jiraiya to so that he has progressed more over time.. Also he has med his own forbidden jutsu's that involve human sacrifice.. Something that probably is very powerful..
And yes Kakashi was not bourne with his Sharingan and that is why it did not help to look with his Sharingan and Itachi meant that he was not a Utchia and therefor it did not help.. Only a person bourne with a Sharingan can look at him.. And that is probably only if the person is strong enough.. I mean if i drive a sword in Itachis heart will he not die because im not a Utchia(yeah yeah i know it's not spelledlike that)?? Of couse he will die..
Well that is MY 2 cents..
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Originally posted by: LostAngel
Hmmm I think Gai could maybe put up a better fight if he had fast speed than Lee with out the weights. If Itachi couldnt see him then he couldnt copy him?? But I am probably wrong. All he would have to do is catch him once put him in a jutsu like he did Kakashi and it would be over. I think Gai could put up a better fight against Itachi though. I wanted to see them duke it out. I know Gai would of lost but it would of been awesome. They don't show enough of him fighting.
That jutsu he did was awesome! I wonder since Kyuubis chakra is merging with Naruto... won't they become like 1 adventually?? If that ever happens... wouldn't the seal be useless?? Because I remember Orchi saying that they where already starting to merge together. Or if there chakra merges... will Kyuubi still be there just without his own chakra then forever depend on Naruto until he dies? Stupid questions but cant help but wonder about them.
I think its so awesome that Jiriaya is going to watch over Naruto.. those 2 are so perfect together.
ok...this whole theory is screwed lol, first off, kakashi/gai are WAY faster than rock lee, we've never even seen them at full speed/power much less with the lotus gates unlocked, also add the fact that sharingan makes u able to see things that are moving too fast for the naked eye to see and that Itachi is faster than both of them, Gai hasnt a chance in the world, as experienced as he is, its no match, itachi has orochimaru afraid if u remember correctly, and gai/kakashi < orochimaru, so to me that says itachi >>>> kakashi/gai, also Gai didnt do a number on fishface, i remember correctly that fishface got up and shrugged it off, for itachi to choose kisame as his partner, he must be damned strong, i doubt that gai or kakashi can mess with either of them without opening the lotus gates or sacrificing themselves
and itachi can perform jutsus faster than anybody could see it....so if itachi can perform a nin or genjutsu as fast as gai can move, then im sure he could do something to totally screw gai up, even though lately it seems like physical speed can beat pretty much everything else, i doubt that in the naruto world as a whole it makes everything else inferior
i remember seeing int he anime somewhere in the explanation of zabuza that he is a member of the 7 Mist swordsmen or something like that, all jounin+ level ninjas that wield large swords, and kisame is also in that group i think and that would probably be why he wanted to kick kakashi's ass so badlyQuote:
Originally posted by: z0diac
Anyway im starting to wonder if all mist ninja's have big freaking swords with them and every mist ninja kid when he turns 10 or something picks one O_O
i disagree about Oro being stronger than Jiraiya and the third sennin tho (a mod should edit the name from his post) and you'll have to wait a while to see why i say this but later on we'll learn more about the 3 and settle these thoughts
look LSJ just because kakashi was scared of oro that doesnt mean gai couldnt have beaten him. its not bloody DBZ powerlevels we are lookin at here, its a game of paper rock sicssors. you cant look at it and say well kakashi and gai are equall so everyone who is above one of them can beat the other, it just doesnt work like that there is too much variation in techniques. just because the bulk of the fighting in naruto so far has been jutsu ( i think iam using that properly) based doesnt mean that the physical part of the attacks isnt just as powerfull.
hahahahaha good one dude. and rock, paper, scissors theory doesn't work in naruto, k?Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
i reckon gai would OWN itachi, also itachi is just one person...
right thats what i was thinking, Gai would do no better against Itachi then Kakashi did. his speed would be nothing through the sharingan eyes. plus itachi didnt even want to waste time on him, he would have let kisame do the job, since he knew Gai wouldent be able to do anything against him.
yeah that is true.....not only is itachi's jutsus uber fast....but im sure there's no amount of physical speed thats greater than what he can see with the sharingan
chambers: you dont seem to grasp the true difference in ranks in the naruto world......
if a jounin can kill like 10 chuunins like it was nothing, and a high level jounin can kill 10 anbus like it was nothing, and a chuunin can make most genins wet their pants, then clearly a sanin or a kage would be something insane
paper rock scissors do work, seeing as that naruto lost to lee, gaara lost to naruto, and lee lost to gaara
but only among characters within their respective ranks.....otherwise its a slaughter
V RESPONSE TO BELOW: i agree with you, except you dont seem to catch what we are referring to with the "paper rock scissors" concept......we arent saying that winning in a battle is like winning in a game of "paper rock scissors", we're saying that winning in a battle is determined by which of the 3 YOU are and which of the 3 the ENEMY is
You don't become captain of the ANBU squad for nothing,nor do you become a sennin for nothing eitheir.People like Kakashi and Gai are not that strong when you compare them to the echelons of Naruto.It's not power levels,it's skill.Skill isn't luck,unlike rock paper scissors.
NOTE: when i say stronger, i mean in stronger in overall skills, abilities, and talent, not just pure strength.
we don't know if itachi is stronger than ero-sennin, but if orochimaru fears itachi then we can assume that jiraiya should have trouble fighting against him. also, itachi said that only a true sharingan user can defeat him. that line should be a hint to who is capable of defeating a master sharingan user.
i'll tell you why everyone thinks that you must have a full blooded uchiha to beat sharingan. when gai said that you can counter/avoid sharingan user by only looking at their feet he is 100% correct. but he is only 100% correct when that person is fighting kakashi only. people have to realize that there is a huge difference between kakashi's and itachi's abilities to use the sharingan. itachi can use the sharingan at full potential while kakashi can only use it to the extent which his body allows. using gai's method to say that you don't need to be a true sharingan user doesn't work cuz kakashi's and itachi's fighting abilities and sharingan skills are at totally different levels.
besides, think about this. gai has trained all of his life fighting kakashi who cannot use the sharingan at maximum. the fighting skills are only trained up to perform against only a intermediate sharingan user. so when gai comes across someone who is a master of sharingan (itachi), he can't match its full power.
and yes, you are correct about only a true uchiha can counter the mangekyou sharingan (tsukiyomi is the name of the genjutsu), but in all aspects of seeing, reading, and copying jutsus, itachi's is far superior to kakashi's (this was proved when kakashi could barely follow with itachi's attacks while itachi had no trouble).[/quote]
well, itachi is not gonna say, XXXXX, XXXXX, XXXXXX and XXXXX is stronger than me, but hes definetly a badas
About Gai can't counter Itachi's Sharingan, all you had to say was Itachi's fighting lvl is much higher than kakashi. Not because Itachi can use the sharigna at full potential and kakashi cant, full potential or not , looking at feet during fighting is all the same to me, but fighting lvl will be different and will determine the outcome.
or maybe purple toenails will determine the outcome..lol
*Sigh* the animation of the Mange Sharingan torture scene was even better than I dared to dream! It was so well done. Excellent stuff. And btw, to those who said the next ep is filler, you are wrong.
*Sigh* the animation of the Mange Sharingan torture scene was even better than I dared to dream! It was so well done. Excellent stuff. And btw, to those who said the next ep is filler, you are wrong.
woohoo, we have a winner..Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
look LSJ just because kakashi was scared of oro that doesnt mean gai couldnt have beaten him. its not bloody DBZ powerlevels we are lookin at here, its a game of paper rock sicssors. you cant look at it and say well kakashi and gai are equall so everyone who is above one of them can beat the other, it just doesnt work like that there is too much variation in techniques. just because the bulk of the fighting in naruto so far has been jutsu ( i think iam using that properly) based doesnt mean that the physical part of the attacks isnt just as powerfull.
what gai said about only looking at his feet was idiotic anyway, what about itachi's hands? or was it a bad translation?
Why?? Tsunade name has been said.. It was said when they asked Jiraiya to be Hokage he said that Tsunade is better suited for the job..Quote:
Originally posted by: LegendarySenninJiraiya
i disagree about Oro being stronger than Jiraiya and the third sennin tho (a mod should edit the name from his post) and you'll have to wait a while to see why i say this but later on we'll learn more about the 3 and settle these thoughts
True difference ranks? lol yes i agree there is ranks in naruto world but i dont know about true difference in ranks... and also rock , scissors and paper also applies to naruto world. Beyond that ,referring to the fan base, it is about perception.Quote:
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yeah that is true.....not only is itachi's jutsus uber fast....but im sure there's no amount of physical speed thats greater than what he can see with the sharingan
chambers: you dont seem to grasp the true difference in ranks in the naruto world......
if a jounin can kill like 10 chuunins like it was nothing, and a high level jounin can kill 10 anbus like it was nothing, and a chuunin can make most genins wet their pants, then clearly a sanin or a kage would be something insane
paper rock scissors do work, seeing as that naruto lost to lee, gaara lost to naruto, and lee lost to gaara
but only among characters within their respective ranks.....otherwise its a slaughter
V RESPONSE TO BELOW: i agree with you, except you dont seem to catch what we are referring to with the "paper rock scissors" concept......we arent saying that winning in a battle is like winning in a game of "paper rock scissors", we're saying that winning in a battle is determined by which of the 3 YOU are and which of the 3 the ENEMY is
i know this is from a while ago, but duders....dont we already know that tai jutsu is the best against sharingan from sasuke vs leee fight....so imo gai may be more effective against itachi than kakashi...u know its like how u have rock, paper, scissors depending on the opposition u may hav an advantage or a disadvantage. i think gai may hav an advantage against itachi (couldnt win though)Quote:
Originally posted by: LostAngel
Hmmm I think Gai could maybe put up a better fight if he had fast speed than Lee with out the weights. If Itachi couldnt see him then he couldnt copy him?? But I am probably wrong. All he would have to do is catch him once put him in a jutsu like he did Kakashi and it would be over. I think Gai could put up a better fight against Itachi though. I wanted to see them duke it out. I know Gai would of lost but it would of been awesome. They don't show enough of him fighting.
That jutsu he did was awesome! I wonder since Kyuubis chakra is merging with Naruto... won't they become like 1 adventually?? If that ever happens... wouldn't the seal be useless?? Because I remember Orchi saying that they where already starting to merge together. Or if there chakra merges... will Kyuubi still be there just without his own chakra then forever depend on Naruto until he dies? Stupid questions but cant help but wonder about them.
I think its so awesome that Jiriaya is going to watch over Naruto.. those 2 are so perfect together.
rofl come to think of it that may not be tooo far fethched lol, he may be half uchiha, thats y he was called genius and it was reallly hard for him to gain the power of the sharingan. and he doesnt have the true power of the sharingan coz he is only half or a quater uchicha [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: Hinata-chan
my point is really we dont know
i agree there is alot fo stuff that in theory coudl present itself but there is nothign concrete as of yet
who knows - the REAL tranlsation (ANBU/AonE) will tell us more perhaps than SO's version
i agree as far as a relationship - but we cant just assume things [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] - it'd be like assuming that Kakashi is a half-breed Uchiha just because he only has one eye or something
and again - we erally dont know much - even with the manga
I'm pretty sure that the 3rd says something to the effect while reminiscing about him.Quote:
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When was it ever stated that Oro is the strongest of the Sennin? For all we know the Sennin can be the complete opposite of team 7 with Tsunade being the strongest and Oro being the weakest. Plus Frog Summon's>Snake Summon's.
Also, to comment in general on this rock-paper-scissors thing-
These guys aren't amateurs. While some styles may have advantages over others, I doubt that someone as powerful as Itachi has simply left himself wide open to tai jitsu. Really, how long would most of these guys last if they made no attempt at all to defend themselves against their weaknesses? Itachi would probably be dead by now if he was as vulnerable to tai jitsu as some people here suggest. Kakashi has a sharingan too, but he has good tai jitsu skills to back them up.
Yes, lee owned Sasuke when they fought. That's because Lee has been a Genin longer, and is probably older. Sasuke had already managed to match Lee's speed by the time of the main matches.
I find it highly doubtful that Itachi never learned any taijitsu or ninjitsu that was good against taijitsu.
Itachi's genjutsu reminds me of Ban's evil eye ability from getbackers. Kakashi's the man, but seeing someone own him so easily with an ability like that was just totally awesome. And since we all miss Sakura, I'll bring her up. What we've seen of genjutsu so far has been no joke. If that's where sakura's abilities lie, maybe she'll amount to something after all :-P
Probably not, because look at Kurenai, she's a Genjutsu specialist and she still got owned. Sakura probably won't be any better. Well, maybe, if she gets trained by someone good. But I doubt it.Quote:
Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
And since we all miss Sakura, I'll bring her up. What we've seen of genjutsu so far has been no joke. If that's where sakura's abilities lie, maybe she'll amount to something after all :-P
I am curious about something. Gai said there was another way to fight against sharingan users but he wasnt going to go into it now. I wonder if there is a type of jutsu or ability you can gain that helps defend you against sharingan.
Also, Kakashi wasnt in the jutsu for 70+ hours Itachi let him out after 1 second of real time to show how much can be done in that little of time. He counts down one second in the genjutsu then lets him go.
Gai's other way of fighting sharigan users was probably something equally as stupid as looking at the users feet the entire time. Itachi could've easily killed Kakashi, he just decided not to.
I think Gai was talking about realeasing a certain amount of gate's.