So I'm a Spider, So What? - Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZE4ZZiXBQY

After a Japanese classroom was destroyed by a mysterious explosion all the students reincarnated as humans on a fantasy world except for a female student who had the lowest reputation on the classroom, she was reincarnated as a spider monster. Being the weakest monster on the dungeon she need to survive using all her human intellect and courage.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/enc...e.php?id=21180

So I'm a Spider, So What? (Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?) starts tomorrow, and while I was quite worried when the first PV came out (couple of years ago I think), seeing this trailer got my hopes up. The CGI looks much better from what I can tell. I'm a big fan of the light novel, so hopefully this adaptation doesn't crap on it.

Admittedly, part of the charm and what makes the series good is the narrator, so it looks like they'll be keeping a lot of the introspection so that should help (I think). Other than that, hope the action is good and that they don't fuck it up like these LN adaptations usually do *crossing fingers*. I just know this is a hard one to adapt.

So in all, I'm quite excited now... though still being prepared for the worst.

#NaiWa~

ok, that trailer was so dumb im gonna give it a try. But I already know ill be disappointed when she wont kill and eat her former classmates.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

ok, that trailer was so dumb im gonna give it a try. But I already know ill be disappointed when she wont kill and eat her former classmates.

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Just skip it.

Just watched the first episode, better than I expected... so hopefully it'll do good. Loved the OP/ED, and looks like it's not shying away from gruesome scenes, so that's a plus. Not a fan of CGI, but I didn't have a problem here. The original preview was incredibly bad, but I think this turned out good instead. "Nameless" was quite fun, hoping to see more sarcastic remarks in the future.

The other plot with the other reincarnations is going to need some adjusting to since we're getting a lot of name drops so it can be confusing and I'm not sure how much time we'll spend with them or how things are going to be balanced out, though didn't care much for how they were introduced... they seem boring for now.

One thing I'm unsure of is the MC moving her mouth while talking. I'm not certain she's actually talking, I think she's doing some internal monologue. But entertainment/fun wise, her moving her mouth works better I think. Maybe she think she's talking, while she's really not? I really don't recall if she has the ability talk as a monster, but seem they're capable of speech as we saw with the other pet monster.

But yeah, loved the OP.

Looks like it has 24 episodes announced, so that at least promises us that this is not merely a series to market the LN and we might get a decent adaptation of the story out of it.

In all, pleased so far. Hope you guys enjoy it some.

Fucking bullshit. Everyone knows slimes or rats are the weakest monster. Spiders have poison and web attacks.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Fucking bullshit. Everyone knows slimes or rats are the weakest monster. Spiders have poison and web attacks.

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Spiders are OP!

Well... maybe this dungeon doesn't have slimes or rats?

I don't even recall the manga adaptation having the castle scene with human reincarnations, but maybe it did. It has been years, after all. Nevertheless, I suppose it would be useful to show how short a stick Kumo happened to draw. Underlining it by comparing the delicious looking dishes to Kumo eating the disgusting, poisonous raw frog monster was a nice detail.

The manga version is one of the more entertaining isekai I'm reading. I don't think I'll mind this anime either based on this first ep. Animating the spiders traditionally would have required a Type-Moon class budget, so I understand why it's so obvious CGI.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

I don't even recall the manga adaptation having the castle scene with human reincarnations, but maybe it did. It has been years, after all. Nevertheless, I suppose it would be useful to show how short a stick Kumo happened to draw. Underlining it by comparing the delicious looking dishes to Kumo eating the disgusting, poisonous raw frog monster was a nice detail.

The manga version is one of the more entertaining isekai I'm reading. I don't think I'll mind this anime either based on this first ep.

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I'm trying to recall from the LN as well, not sure if they had first met in the school they mention they'll be just starting together or prior to it. But yeah, as you mention, I think part of it was to show the lavish lifestyle these guys have and their apparent important roles they should occupy in the future for humanity in contrast to the lowly monster that has to eat disgusting monsters and family members to survive.

One thing I'll mention, is that I don't recall (at least in the beginning) Nameless being so energetic and upbeat. Yes, she at times shows some excitement, but never got the vibe of happy-go-lucky I'm currently perceiving.

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Animating the spiders traditionally would have required a Type-Moon class budget, so I understand why it's so obvious CGI.

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Did you manage to watch the first PV? It was so bad that I have to think it was a strategy to set low expectations on the animation.

Anyways, the OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hyDlt_yvv4

First episode was okay. Her being fine eating raw spider corpse was a bit too rushed imo.

I just wonder how thin you can stretch the premise of the show. So far it's almost a carbon copy of Slime isekai.

Whatever, I'll watch episode 2 for sure.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

So far it's almost a carbon copy of Slime isekai.

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I like that she's not instantly OP like Slime.

She even tried to copy Slime's Sage ability and it ended up being useless. :p

Rimuru started from even below 'nameless'. And we've had a proper animation for his slow and long initial growth and learning process.
The main difference, after ep1, is that Rimuru had a very easy and full of OP level-ups cave because/thanks to Veldora.
It's probable Kumo will eventually be OP too, but it feels like the pacing will be a little different.
As of yet, that first ep didn't give me enough to really want to watch ep2.
I'll watch it anyway, but first ep was boring for my tastes.

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Originally Posted by Munsu

Did you manage to watch the first PV? It was so bad that I have to think it was a strategy to set low expectations on the animation.

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Actually, I don't honestly remember if I did. Now that I (re?)checked it out, I can certainly see the problem. It looks like a Nintendo Switch game, or something. It's quite interesting how the studio was planning to build hype with such material.

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Originally Posted by David75

The main difference, after ep1, is that Rimuru had a very easy and full of OP level-ups cave because/thanks to Veldora.

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Yes. That IS the difference. Rimuru was essentially invincible by the end of the first episode.

Hopefully Spider takes a much longer time to get that way, if ever. Because that's the point when the story no longer matters, and you're JUST a gag series after that.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Her being fine eating raw spider corpse was a bit too rushed imo.

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I don't mind it for pace, but I don't recall it coming that easy when I read the LN, even though she was grossed out by it... I think they needed to do a better job of illustrating that plenty of time had passed, or that she was at her limits and at her wit's end for her to "indulge" in such an act. That's how I recall it, but my memory may be failing me.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Yes. That IS the difference. Rimuru was essentially invincible by the end of the first episode.

Hopefully Spider takes a much longer time to get that way, if ever. Because that's the point when the story no longer matters, and you're JUST a gag series after that.

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So I'm a Spider, So What? is more of a Lit-RPG type of series where there's a lot of focus on the leveling up process, though it's pertinent for the full series, I very much doubt the anime can go the route of spending the same amount of time in that process, particularly early stages. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the first 12 episodes are focused on the grind as she goes about fighting stronger opponents.

As Slime is mentioned, for obvious reasons due to similarities, that story doesn't feature much of the struggle to get stronger, this one will do some power-leveling. Personally I enjoy that a lot, but at the same time i can see how reading (watching) a character power-leveling can be a bit dull as well. As I said, a lot of the charm of the series was the main character's narration/introspection and that should keep things entertaining if handled well.

Honestly, it's a shame that we're having So I'm a Spider, So What?, That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, and Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation airing in the same season.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

I like that she's not instantly OP like Slime.

She even tried to copy Slime's Sage ability and it ended up being useless. :p

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I mean, she awakens poison/acid immunity the moment she gets hit LOL. That's kinda op.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

I mean, she awakens poison/acid immunity the moment she gets hit LOL. That's kinda op.

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Not immunity, resistance... but skill unlocked so probably a matter of time. That said, we don't know the rules of this world yet.

Rimuru gimps himself whenever he isn't using Water Slice. Have you ever seen it blocked? Me neither.

Spider is fun. It also helps that it's cute.

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Originally Posted by Munsu

I think they needed to do a better job of illustrating that plenty of time had passed,

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Yeah, cause the spider segments kinda give the impression that the whole thing was taking place over, maybe, a day?

But then you get to her other classmates, and it's obvious they've been in their bodies for awhile now.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

I mean, she awakens poison/acid immunity the moment she gets hit LOL. That's kinda op.

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I agree. Though if that's normal for the world, then it's technically not OP as anyone can do it.

I assume this is following the novels and not the manga then. I understand the manga cuts a lot out, and even then it is a slow half-chapter monthly update.

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

I assume this is following the novels and not the manga then. I understand the manga cuts a lot out, and even then it is a slow half-chapter monthly update.

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Haven't read the manga, but I would assume the light novel will be the main source for the adaptation.

I enjoyed the first episode a lot, despite being utterly spoiled by asshole comments on manga sites (so I will obviously be refraining from speculating on plot or developments). That said, it doesn't reduce my enjoyment in this case, and has me looking forward to a lot of stuff based on the OP.

The acceleration of pacing over the manga will be welcome. That fight against the frog would have been months of chapters.

Seriously...so many asshole LN readers on manga adaptation comment sections the last few years. "Guessing" at the plot. Slime Tensei was spoiled for me the same way, again, thankfully without diminishing my enjoyment.

Months of fighting the frog? Inspired by Dark Souls.

Thankfully that isn't the case here.

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

I enjoyed the first episode a lot, despite being utterly spoiled by asshole comments on manga sites (so I will obviously be refraining from speculating on plot or developments). That said, it doesn't reduce my enjoyment in this case, and has me looking forward to a lot of stuff based on the OP.

The acceleration of pacing over the manga will be welcome. That fight against the frog would have been months of chapters.

Seriously...so many asshole LN readers on manga adaptation comment sections the last few years. "Guessing" at the plot. Slime Tensei was spoiled for me the same way, again, thankfully without diminishing my enjoyment.

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I haven't been reading many mangas, and honestly never a manga adaptation of a light novel that I recall, but it's the same with One-Punch Man with the Murata remake. Thankfully, there's not much to spoil there other than creating anticipation for things to come.

But yeah, outside of forums where things are usually better controlled, the net is littered spoilers everywhere and as you say, particularly in the comment sections of chapter releases of a manga.

I've seen a lot of talk about fighting the frog, but I honestly don't recall the fight from the LN lol.

@Buff:
The manga is published in half-chapters, monthly. The fights are very detailed. Like Munsu said, it's a LitRPG.

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Originally Posted by Munsu

I haven't been reading many mangas, and honestly never a manga adaptation of a light novel that I recall, but it's the same with One-Punch Man with the Murata remake. Thankfully, there's not much to spoil there other than creating anticipation for things to come.

But yeah, outside of forums where things are usually better controlled, the net is littered spoilers everywhere and as you say, particularly in the comment sections of chapter releases of a manga.

I've seen a lot of talk about fighting the frog, but I honestly don't recall the fight from the LN lol.

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Tbh even that is too much of a spoiler for me >___<

But yeah, spoilers suck, especially when they're random and you cant defend against. I'm reading the Baby Steps manga that is still in the process of being translated and there were a few close calls. Fortunately the community is nice and puts warnings in the comments, like "be careful, someone spoils something below".

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Tbh even that is too much of a spoiler for me >___<

But yeah, spoilers suck, especially when they're random and you cant defend against. I'm reading the Baby Steps manga that is still in the process of being translated and there were a few close calls. Fortunately the community is nice and puts warnings in the comments, like "be careful, someone spoils something below".

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I meant more in that One-Punch Man I don't care too much about the plot, so there's not much to spoil for me... I try not to enter the comments section much regardless. But in general I agree. More of a comment of how I view that particular series than resembling my stance about spoilers.

I know some blatantly spoil, even being sneaky about it, but since becoming a LN reader and having an awareness on how much I hate spoiling, it's honestly a difficult balancing act when discussing something and trying not to give too much away.

Thankfully, most of the things I discuss anime wise I've read the source material quite a while back, so many details of the beginning are a blur to me, so it's like watching something new for the first time.

It was quite tough in GW in the early years when we had more manga readers around, with Naruto/Bleach in particular. Though we've been a bit more laid back in recent years, we really do have some of the strictest spoiler rules around. I mean, in theory we don't even allow spoilers within spoiler tags, or warnings, or changing font colors, etc... just have to be careful on how we phrase things and discuss things.

Hah, I remember those times. But it worked surprisingly well. I don't think I was ever spoiled Naruto by a manga reader. Unless they were sneaky enough to "predict" stuff. ;>

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I don't think I was ever spoiled Naruto by a manga reader. Unless they were sneaky enough to "predict" stuff.

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I remember all those predictions about Black Zetsu being a thousand year old alien lady...

Episode 2:


Didn't enjoy it as much as the first episode, and have a bit of a gripe with the change in personality of the main character vs. the light novel from what I can recall. Here we have a seeming happy kind of character, but in the LN her personality wasn't that energetic at all (though her narration was a bit). Instead she was very sarcastic about things and how she viewed everything, also she suffered from more stress. Also, they removed her signature catch-phrase which she used often "nai wa"... at least I haven't heard it yet.

We're rushing through the grind so far, probably that is inevitable, but we don't get a sense of he struggles so far. Hopefully this pace works for the best.

If this grind ends up any slower I'd kill myself. I'm happy with this pace as an anime watcher.

I think I heard "nai wa" at least once this episode, but it could have been the OP/ED. It's certainly not "-datebayo" frequency. I too enjoyed this slightly less than the previous episode, but it's hard to say if that's because we're covering similar ground to ep1, or if I'm viewing this in comparison to other series.

Just more the glossing over of he struggles more than anything, but it's inevitable.

We got a better understanding of who's who, where they're from and how they are.
All in all the 'social structure' of the previous world/classroom has been kept in the new world. I'm not even sure the chibby dragon is an exception.

What feels strange is the contrast beetween our MC past life behaviour/character and now that she's a spider.
Or it might just be my interpretation of the two or three short scenes we've had from a past life.

Maybe I should check the early manga chapters to see if she was so happy-go-lucky over there as well. However, she certainly wasn't any giant of intelligence, if memory serves, so maybe this is fitting in that sense, regardless of nuances. That being said, she's learning even in this anime. It's either learn or die, so of course she would be learning.

It's pretty funny to even suggest evolving routes to the pet dragon. Kumo needed to go through 10 level ups to get the first chance. Unless the dragon evolves just by eating and growing up, with no exp gain, I don't see how she's going to evolve at all by being a pet.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

Maybe I should check the early manga chapters to see if she was so happy-go-lucky over there as well. However, she certainly wasn't any giant of intelligence, if memory serves, so maybe this is fitting in that sense, regardless of nuances. That being said, she's learning even in this anime. It's either learn or die, so of course she would be learning.

It's pretty funny to even suggest evolving routes to the pet dragon. Kumo needed to go through 10 level ups to get the first chance. Unless the dragon evolves just by eating and growing up, with no exp gain, I don't see how she's going to evolve at all by being a pet.

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If you do, report back... maybe what's missing for me is the sarcastic aspect. I mean, I do recall her in the beginning being energetic at times, and also being pumped up with the whole RPG aspect of this life, but it was counter-balanced with the sarcasm and struggles she faces. Maybe missing those elements just lets us see the "happy" moments without much consequence or reflection when things don't go her way... and maybe some self-deprecating humor or astonishment at all the shit she has to face (here's where her missing catch-phrase usually comes in)? I mean, she often just says fuck it and goes with the flow, but not so cheerful about it I believe.

But honestly, I don't recall my earlier impressions all that well, maybe this idea of her is more influenced by the more recent volumes. But regardless, if she's that happy-go-lucky or not, the other missing aspects that I feel counter-balance that I think are missing.

Or I can be talking out of my ass have it all wrong, who knows!?

Regardless, I like that we're seeing violent action.

And yeah, have to wonder how the pet dragon will level up... since she's just being lazy there. Regardless have to wonder, if they're a higher being, if they'll require more XP than a spider to level up and evolve.

I reread a few early chapters of the manga and, honestly, it's quite difficult to say. She's not that different, but it feels like there's more tomfoolery in the anime. However, that might simply be the result of the anime being animated and voiced. Different media alone could affect the impression somewhat. Still, regardless of the reason, it does seem like Kumo in the anime might be a little bit happy-go-luckier.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

I reread a few early chapters of the manga and, honestly, it's quite difficult to say. She's not that different, but it feels like there's more tomfoolery in the anime. However, that might simply be the result of the anime being animated and voiced. Different media alone could affect the impression somewhat. Still, regardless of the reason, it does seem like Kumo in the anime might be a little bit happy-go-luckier.

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Yeah, I think you pinpointed the issue... like she's coming off like more of a ditz. And it's like we're seeing just about every stray thought she has expressed. But whatever, not going to dwell much on that from now on, I'm sure once things get more heated some of that should be restrained... I think. But I miss some of the sarcasm, that's part of what made her a great narrating voice.

Haven't started this season of Slime, but the two eps of this definitely feel adjacent in tone. Nothing too serious except for the snake battle, so the tension is low, but still enjoyable. I've more or less come to terms with the CGI. I hope she doesn't meet her classmates for a while, as there is no decent context to do so. I also like that the dragon is a bit repentant of her bullying, and her idle mind has drawn a karmaic connection to her pet-status, whether it be true or not.

Other students don't seem evil, and just living their best life now, along with elf sensei. So the isekai extended to everyone in that classroom, specifically? That seems so contrived, I would rather it not be explained going forward.

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Originally Posted by neflight86

I also like that the dragon is a bit repentant of her bullying, and her idle mind has drawn a karmaic connection to her pet-status, whether it be true or not.

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That's kind of... "Oh, no! I was reborn as a dragon! Woe is me! Dragons are often the most powerful species in traditional fantasy and folklore, sometimes even worshipped as gods. This must be a punishment for the sins of my previous life!" If she wasn't a pet, she would live in the wilderness or a dungeon, so you might say the pet status is a big plus, although not for level ups. All in all her lamenting was nothing but self-pity, not even regret, if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

"Oh, no! I was reborn as a dragon! Woe is me! Dragons are often the most powerful species in traditional fantasy and folklore, sometimes even worshipped as gods."

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Unlike the MC, she doesn't strike me as the kind of character that would be well versed in fantasy tropes. The stuck up mean girl probably doesn't play a ton of DraQue. :p

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Unlike the MC, she doesn't strike me as the kind of character that would be well versed in fantasy tropes. The stuck up mean girl probably doesn't play a ton of DraQue. :p

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Haha, true enough! I bet she would have liked to be reborn as a noble daughter, so that she could have been a villainess. She would have loved to bully an innocent commoner girl, who somehow could join an academy traditionally only open for nobles.

Hmmm. This show is interesting, but I kinda worry about what will happen or what the goal of this story is going to be.
In the end, she is a spider and even if she gets super strong, she won't really be able to live a normal life anymore, nor will she able to meet up with of her classmates who seem to have been turned into humans, mostly.

And basically, they have been in this new world for ~15+ years now?
Are we looking at 2 different points of time?

Spider Stuff = immeadiatly after what has happened in school
Human stuff = 15+ years later?

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

Hmmm. This show is interesting, but I kinda worry about what will happen or what the goal of this story is going to be.
In the end, she is a spider and even if she gets super strong, she won't really be able to live a normal life anymore, nor will she able to meet up with of her classmates who seem to have been turned into humans, mostly.

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Well, they have a pet dragon... so never say never.

Aren't the other students plus teacher also looking for the still missing reincarnators? The pet dragon has already showed them the result might be something else than a human as well. So, it's indeed excellent luck for Kumo that the pet dragon is there. But then again, Kumo herself would have no idea the others did reincarnate. I guess it would be 50-50 for her, to either think about it or not. One thing is sure, however: She might not want to live the rest of her life eating poisonous frogs like a real spider.

For all she knows, her classmates hatched right along side her.

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

For all she knows, her classmates hatched right along side her.

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Maybe she ate one (Kin Eater).

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Originally Posted by Kraco

She might not want to live the rest of her life eating poisonous frogs like a real spider.

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She gonna eventually evolve into some kinda Drider and become a Demon General.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

She gonna eventually evolve into some kinda Drider and become a Demon General.

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Never heard of a Drider before, so this is some sort of D&D term?

https://i.imgur.com/DDp3PLl.jpg

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Nso this is some sort of D&D term?

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Yeah. I suppose the more universal term you'd find in anime would be an Arachne.

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Well, they have a pet dragon... so never say never.

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Oh wait, she can *actually* speak? I thought the reaction of the human would've been different if he heard a spider talking to him.
They were just doing "grunting" noises and they were *really* weird compared to your usual voice acting in anime for scenes like that one, so I kinda interpreted it as "I am Spider and can't understand Human"

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Oh wait, she can *actually* speak? I thought the reaction of the human would've been different if he heard a spider talking to him.
They were just doing "grunting" noises and they were *really* weird compared to your usual voice acting in anime for scenes like that one, so I kinda interpreted it as "I am Spider and can't understand Human"

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Well, it's either a skill or an inherent characteristic of higher species like the reborn dragon. Will have to check how the dragon was doing it to compare, but too lazy to go back and check.

At least that confirms that she's not talking out loud... or at least if she thinks she is, she just saying gibberish and we simply have access to her inner thoughts. Honestly didn't give it too much thought on that scene with the spider and the humans, good catch.

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Now, for sure, I can say Kumo is a lot more foolish than in the manga adaptation. And I'm not a fan of that difference. In fact I reckon I'd drop this anime if it wasn't for those classmate parts that don't exist in the manga at all. Still, I guess I could always hope she becomes less foolish in this anime as well, making it more bearable. That being said, I can see the anime is cutting away material from Kumo's adventures to dedicate time to the classmates.

At the Episode 03 mark, Slime is better.

Kumo feels less like a story and more like watching someone play a game. The story is with the classmates.

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Episode 3


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Now, for sure, I can say Kumo is a lot more foolish than in the manga adaptation. And I'm not a fan of that difference. In fact I reckon I'd drop this anime if it wasn't for those classmate parts that don't exist in the manga at all. Still, I guess I could always hope she becomes less foolish in this anime as well, making it more bearable. That being said, I can see the anime is cutting away material from Kumo's adventures to dedicate time to the classmates.

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Lol, opposite for me :D

I *love* how happy this spider is. This is so cute. Gives fat birb-feelings (Shield hero). I actually hated how the majority of the episode focused on the class - they didnt doanything interesting and it's dumb that the teacher died so easily, yet the students won. Meh. In-before arguments.

So about the spider scenes:

1.) Shouldn't she know plenty of small cravisses and holes where a littw spider like hers can hide from people? Baka kumo

2.) Actually, why hasn't she left the cave? Was that explained? If not, it's weird she'd prefer the creept, dark, monster-filled cave. Not that I can't think of reasons not to go outside, but it should be mentioned imo.

3.) The dragon at the end gives me the feeling that it's conscious. I can't imagine her defeating a level 39 monster, so I expect her to become friends with the dragon. Just my prediction, I don't know the manga.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

At the Episode 03 mark, Slime is better.

Kumo feels less like a story and more like watching someone play a game. The story is with the classmates.

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Haven't watched the 3rd episode yet, but this series does in fact have a lot of grinding, particularly in the early volumes. Her story will arrive later indeed, but world wise the classmate's story serve that purpose to give us more insight into that world. But things should get more interesting sooner rather than later on her side of things, depending on the pacing... and honestly not sure what the correct answer is in regards on how to pace these portions.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

1.) Shouldn't she know plenty of small cravisses and holes where a littw spider like hers can hide from people? Baka kumo

2.) Actually, why hasn't she left the cave? Was that explained? If not, it's weird she'd prefer the creept, dark, monster-filled cave. Not that I can't think of reasons not to go outside, but it should be mentioned imo.

3.) The dragon at the end gives me the feeling that it's conscious. I can't imagine her defeating a level 39 monster, so I expect her to become friends with the dragon. Just my prediction, I don't know the manga.

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Many of your questions/observations should be explained eventually.

About the spider, is she actually that small? I mean, I would suppose there's a difference between a regular spider and a spider that's actually a monster. So while she's small, is she small enough to fit into small crevices? I don't know, animation wise she doesn't look all that small to me. Will go back to hunt the episodes where she meets the humans and compare how small she actually is. I think she was spotted fairly easily as it is.

She's the size of a very large dog, I'd say. However, considering crevices and holes, her body shape actually wouldn't serve her well in escaping humans, unless she found a long tunnel, not a dead end, which would allow her to run normally but humans would need go through on all fours. Another option would actually be to use her ability to climb on walls effortlessly. Of course it would require vertical shafts or large spaces.

A large dog?! I'd have said a small dog/large rat. Would also make sense in comparison to the snakes, unless those are giant snakes. And she was like below the humans' knees from my impression. "large dog' size would be a shocking revelation to me :D

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Originally Posted by MFauli

A large dog?! I'd have said a small dog/large rat. Would also make sense in comparison to the snakes, unless those are giant snakes. And she was like below the humans' knees from my impression. "large dog' size would be a shocking revelation to me :D

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Haha, I think we just consider different dog sizes as large or small. Maybe it was medium dog size, then? I don't think the dungeon has any living creatures that aren't bloated in size.

Watched quickly a bit in episode 2, I'd say the spider may be the size of a Chihuahua... I think this was pre-evolving, not sure if she changed sized some.

But who knows, could've been an animation miscue.

At least in the anime, she's roughly the same size as the indestructible egg. The egg was roughly the same size as the adult man's torso, maybe a little bit bigger. So, yeah, not a big dog. A medium dog.

I checked the egg scene in the manga as well. Not much different. Still, that's a big spider, nonetheless, even if not gigantic like the mother spider.

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At least in the anime, she's roughly the same size as the indestructible egg. The egg was roughly the same size as the adult man's torso, maybe a little bit bigger. So, yeah, not a big dog. A medium dog.

I checked the egg scene in the manga as well. Not much different. Still, that's a big spider, nonetheless, even if not gigantic like the mother spider.

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Maybe it was the angle that I saw. Regardless, it's not really a SMALL creature all told.

I was expecting more from her evolution based on the ED, but I guess she's not at that stage yet.

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In fact I reckon I'd drop this anime if it wasn't for those classmate parts that don't exist in the manga at all.

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That's weird, cause I don't give a SHIT about those segments, and whenever they're on I just wanna get back to the spider.

But, anime has to waifu, so I just have to sit through that boring crap.

I'm a bit tired of her cave slow grinding and she's still extremely weak compared to anything in that cave and humans.
I don't see myself watching this for a long time if the pace doesn't pick-up.
Her former classmates story was dull. Two key points were so poorly animated/framed I'm not sure what happened and why we got that result:
-teacher fatal blow: what was that, what attack did that, why did that dyno not fire that attack again at students ?
-chibi dragon vore: we had what, less thant 10/20 frames when she jumps and bites and she easily bites that monster that killed a teacher ? I could just accept she's that strong already and it seems the focus was on her being a monster and probably her fear of losing her humanity. But I'd like such an important scene to be better animated.

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Her former classmates story was dull. Two key points were so poorly animated/framed I'm not sure what happened and why we got that result:
-teacher fatal blow: what was that, what attack did that, why did that dyno not fire that attack again at students ?
-chibi dragon vore: we had what, less thant 10/20 frames when she jumps and bites and she easily bites that monster that killed a teacher ? I could just accept she's that strong already and it seems the focus was on her being a monster and probably her fear of losing her humanity. But I'd like such an important scene to be better animated.

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Fully agreed.

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I was expecting more from her evolution based on the ED, but I guess she's not at that stage yet.

That's weird, cause I don't give a SHIT about those segments, and whenever they're on I just wanna get back to the spider.

But, anime has to waifu, so I just have to sit through that boring crap.

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In fact I don't, either, find those classmate parts objectively speaking all that entertaining. It's just that the manga has made me invested in the story in general, so those parts that don't exist in the manga, they kind of feel like extras/bonus episodes for me, so I can watch them for the sake of learning more about the world. Kumo's own parts in this anime, however, feel quite a bit inferior to the manga, so I'm not enjoying them all that much. It's all about what I'm used to: I'm used to how she is and how her adventures are depicted in the manga, so the differences in the anime rub me the wrong way.

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I'm a bit tired of her cave slow grinding and she's still extremely weak compared to anything in that cave and humans.
I don't see myself watching this for a long time if the pace doesn't pick-up.
Her former classmates story was dull. Two key points were so poorly animated/framed I'm not sure what happened and why we got that

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Agreed, the CGI was bad for this dragon. Made it comical.

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result:
-teacher fatal blow: what was that, what attack did that, why did that dyno not fire that attack again at students ?
-chibi dragon vore: we had what, less thant 10/20 frames when she jumps and bites and she easily bites that monster that killed a teacher ? I could just accept she's that strong already and it seems the focus was on her being a monster and probably her fear of losing her humanity. But I'd like such an important scene to be better animated.

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I believe it was some sort of breath attack, not sure if it was a different element than the fire one we saw afterwards which was indeed used but the student MC blocked it with his special sword or something. And if it wasn't, it looked like a major ability regardless. And I think it was going to use another of those moves again when the student MC saved the hot-blooded dude, but it was hard to tell.

That aside, it's not really about "using it again", if we see the stats from our spider, there are Magic Points and Stamina Points to consider, which seems to be integral to how the world works.

As for the chibii dragon, it looked quite nonsensical and that aside, agreed... it looked like an important scene which lacked better execution. I would like to go back and read this portion in the light novel, at least the chibi dragon attack and see how it happened. Feels she took it down too easily. For someone we've been assuming has been lazy and not leveling up, it seemed to kill that dragon with ease.

Other than that, I think it failed to ingrain the horror of the world to these students which seem naive to this point.

Honestly, show seems slow right now, but it really is trying to fit in a lot of content rapidly so that we may get more into the story quicker.

And man, was that teacher weak... hope that's not the norm.

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At least in the anime, she's roughly the same size as the indestructible egg. The egg was roughly the same size as the adult man's torso, maybe a little bit bigger. So, yeah, not a big dog. A medium dog.

I checked the egg scene in the manga as well. Not much different. Still, that's a big spider, nonetheless, even if not gigantic like the mother spider.

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She looked bigger in comparison to the humans in this latest episode.

The progress within the manga is so glacially slow, I will take anything that adds to the overall plot more.

Thanks Munsu for the details.

Isekaï slices of life from all classes of human and monster perspective with slow grinding... could it be a description of that show ?

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Thanks Munsu for the details.

Isekaï slices of life from all classes of human and monster perspective with slow grinding... could it be a description of that show ?

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I guess in part it could look that way, but we're still in the introductory phase... which indeed has plenty of grinding, at least from the spider perspective. There's always going to be a bit of that element, and a bit of slice of life... but without saying much, we should see plenty of action.

The only aspect I'm really unsure right now is about the humor because our spider had a funnier more sarcastic personality, I just hope we eventually get to see that side of her better. Since I said from the beginning, a lot of the charm (light novel wise) was how great of a narrator she was and I know that's hard to adapt. But we'll see.

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The progress within the manga is so glacially slow, I will take anything that adds to the overall plot more.

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The problem with that is that takes the part I care about, Spider's progression, and makes it take even longer.

Instead of cutting boring spider parts and replacing them with boring human parts, just cut the boring spider parts and replace them with double spider progress!

Episode 4:

Man, I just love this spider. You know, her beating all these stronger by herself is bullshit, sure. But I allow it because the alternative would have been some lameass "somebody coming to the rescue" or even worse "some contrieved coincidence saving her". So I prefer this Guts-100-men fight solution. Although I gotta admit: When she had half her body bitten off, surviving that and fighting on was a little bit too bs, lol. But ... I allow it!

Happy spider makes me happy.

That was a great goddamn episode!

She's using strategy to beat things above her level, so she's leveling so fast she's basically using leveling up like a healing potion. :p

Make sure to watch after the credits. Looking forward to her next form.

I'm just glad they covered all this in a single episode.

This was like four-six months of the manga, and the monkeys were annoying as fuck.

edit: I think I was right the first time, 6 months

Yeah, I don't mind the monkey escapade being over in a single episode.

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I'm just glad they covered all this in a single episode.

This was like four-six months of the manga, and the monkeys were annoying as fuck.

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Th-this is a monthly manga...right?

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Although I gotta admit: When she had half her body bitten off, surviving that and fighting on was a little bit too bs, lol. But ... I allow it!

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Doesn't she have like pain resistance or something like that? She's been gaining quite a few resistances, can't recall... but if she does, that may explain some of it.

So we'll get a full season of that slow grinding levelling ? Dropped...

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Doesn't she have like pain resistance or something like that? She's been gaining quite a few resistances, can't recall... but if she does, that may explain some of it.

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When half your body is missing, I'd assume it's less about pain and more about ... basic function. 😅

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So we'll get a full season of that slow grinding levelling ? Dropped...

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Not going to lie, we still have some episodes to go of the grind, but I don't think it'll go on THAT long... I think it's going fast paced in that regard to get into the more story-plot of the series sooner. But we'll see. But LitRPG is not for everyone and since she's basically in a 24/7 monologue right now it can get monotonous for some.

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When half your body is missing, I'd assume it's less about pain and more about ... basic function. ��

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You know, started reading a bit about spiders in general and it's quite something what one can find, some things that are happening here that we give credit to power-ups and skills and what not, may actually be real characteristics of spiders. For example, I don't know if everyone that levels up gets to go back to full health like our spider here does, but just as an example real spiders (at least some of them) are able to regrow their legs and probably other parts of their body.

And even if she feels pain, I mean, she was about to pass out as she mentioned, I figure the pain a spider may feel about losing limbs may not be compared at all with how a human would feel it, and this isn't even taking into account whatever skills/resistances she has gained along the way.

I'm considering the actual pace and the level ups she needs to get to lazy pet dragon.
I might be wrong but the dragon our spider just met is not stronger that the one the lazy pet one killed in a single bite.
Spider is level 10, those dragons are level 31/37 from memory. Lazy pet could be at least 40, but probably more as that one felt like a simple low level physical attack. Not something elaborate and using several techniques combined with magic. Only core basic strength.

So we have at least 2 eps of pure boring cave grinding ? maybe 5? maybe till the end of the cour at ep12?
That's a lot more than I can endure :(
But I understand other profiles will love that show as is.

It's going much faster than the manga, but if LitRPG slow grinding is not for you, I would not feel bad about dropping it.

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I'm considering the actual pace and the level ups she needs to get to lazy pet dragon.
I might be wrong but the dragon our spider just met is not stronger that the one the lazy pet one killed in a single bite.
Spider is level 10, those dragons are level 31/37 from memory. Lazy pet could be at least 40, but probably more as that one felt like a simple low level physical attack. Not something elaborate and using several techniques combined with magic. Only core basic strength.

So we have at least 2 eps of pure boring cave grinding ? maybe 5? maybe till the end of the cour at ep12?
That's a lot more than I can endure :(
But I understand other profiles will love that show as is.

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Give me more "pure boring cave grinding" if it's as great as this last episode <3

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I'm considering the actual pace and the level ups she needs to get to lazy pet dragon.
I might be wrong but the dragon our spider just met is not stronger that the one the lazy pet one killed in a single bite.
Spider is level 10, those dragons are level 31/37 from memory. Lazy pet could be at least 40, but probably more as that one felt like a simple low level physical attack. Not something elaborate and using several techniques combined with magic. Only core basic strength.

So we have at least 2 eps of pure boring cave grinding ? maybe 5? maybe till the end of the cour at ep12?
That's a lot more than I can endure :(
But I understand other profiles will love that show as is.

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Well, each time she evolves she resets to level 1... of that particular species. So that's something to consider. I'm not sure if she can continue leveling up a species if she doesn't evolve. I think she's currently a small taratect, on that regard I'm not sure if she can become a level 40 small taratect, so levels can be a bit deceptive... though maybe having high level is a sign that a species is intrinsically strong and allows you to level up that much.

Can't recall how stats change after evolving, but I don't recall her becoming weaker after evolving even if having a lesser level.

I just think more than the grind, that she's only there talking to herself with no interaction with other characters or humans may be making it more tedious, particularly if you're not invested in these types of stories.

Well it's possible the higher the race, the more steps you need to level-up
And maybe the adjective is a multiplier of ten:
-small is 1 times ten
-no adjective is 2 times ten
-medium 3
-large is 4
-huge is 5
Or any idea that explains 10s for spider-chan, 29 for the humans in the cave, 17 for mantis or orher species, 31 for the cave dragon, 37 for the school outdoor training incident.

And you're right, monologue and no social interaction might not be my thing in anime.

I refuse to believe the outdoor student training incident dragon was a tough one. The fight was lousy and just how fricking strong would the lazy pet dragon need to be to slay a formidable dragon just like that, huh? The students didn't look strong at all, no matter how you evaluate them. The training they were doing looked like nothing beyond very basic.

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So we'll get a full season of that slow grinding levelling ?

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The entire reason I'm here.

Don't even know wtf you're talking about with "slow grinding". Went up, like, 5 levels in one episode in a giant cool fucking battle.

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Spider is level 10, those dragons are level 31/37 from memory.

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That's because the level of one monster isn't the same as level 1 of another monster.

Remember that she already WAS level 10 once, and then evolved and that reset her back to level 1, without her getting any weaker. So a level 1 Small Lesser Teresect is stronger than a level 10 Small Teresect. So direct level comparison isn't really relevant.

Pet Dragon might still only be level 1(or was before she killed that dragon), but is an incredibly powerful monster type.

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Give me more "pure boring cave grinding" if it's as great as this last episode <3

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And you're right, monologue and no social interaction might not be my thing in anime.

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From a LNs standpoint, it was not an issue (for me) because she's a great narrator (better than we've seen in the anime) and from the start I mentioned that this was something that was going to be hard to adapt.

I mean, I don't know if in the end this series will work for you either way, but internally I'd just hate to see you drop it before things actually develop beyond her monologues, but I understand why this wouldn't work for everyone.

Okay I'll wait... maybe :p
@Darth: slow as she levelled up a number of times but still feels very weak if my assumptions are correct. And we have been shown no ways of comparing her to her former classmates. It's not even sure they'll meet before the end of the cour, eventhough we know they are trying to find everyone from that school.

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Okay I'll wait... maybe :p
@Darth: slow as she levelled up a number of times but still feels very weak if my assumptions are correct.

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*shrug* She just killed, like, 100 monsters that were all higher level than her at the start of the battle. Doesn't seem that weak to me.

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Okay I'll wait... maybe :p
It's not even sure they'll meet before the end of the cour, eventhough we know they are trying to find everyone from that school.

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Honestly, I was looking forward to there being some kind of racist conflict between them and her when they finally met again. But they ruined that by already giving them one of their classmates as a monster. So that's already a thing they know about and accept. Which defuses any of the tension.

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*shrug* She just killed, like, 100 monsters that were all higher level than her at the start of the battle. Doesn't seem that weak to me.

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That should have given her more levels.

Using the landside for situational advantage was smart, but I wouldn't call that strong.

She couldn't have done it without her crazy strong webbing, and tons of it. The fact that she has that is powerful.

This is the first episode I've genuinely enjoyed from end-to end. If this level of action/spectacle is where this show is heading, I look forward to what's coming.

I'd hate the constant monologue if I didn't find her voice to be cute.

Episode 5:



More of the same from the spider side, though we get a bit more technical on how the skills in this world work. Comedy wise, I thought this was quite on-point and enjoyed that aspect. From the other reincarnators' side, we see that the dragon chick is indeed strong, despite being low-level in her species, particularly when compared with our spider that has been leveling up like crazy. Also, it looks like there's an organization (religious fanatics) that hunt down people who have acquired the Taboo skills (or is it title?). Anyways, last scene after the ED looks promising, seems like we have a setup for one of the first real noteworthy engagements (monkeys aside)... at least I hope.

It was definitely interesting.

I laughed hard thinking a lot of the skills she's recently acquired make her sound like she's becoming a demon lord, and sure enough, Level 1 Demon Lord got added to the list.

I kinda assumed she would acquire Gluttony after devouring that entire catfish and vowing to exterminate the entire species because they taste good.

As for the other kids which is all new content for me as a manga reader (which only follows Kumoko's direct POV with only a single side chapter thus far), the religious angle certainly is fascinating. She's not crazy, it sounds like she is literally hearing the voice of God in this world telling her what to do and how to act. "Murder anything with Taboo as a trait." Meaning Fei and Kumoko are both enemies of this world's God, and that aligns with Kumoko becoming a demon lord. So all the kids and their teacher actually grew up from birth in this world as well, they just retained all their memories from their past life. The one girl was tossed into a convent and has since gone full cultist...and coincidentally worships his brother as the human Hero.

KrayZ33 brought it up before, but it certainly would make sense that we're looking at different timelines, or at least everyone was reincarnated at different times. Fei seems to have been born more recently than the other students.
When is Kumoko's taking place then? We have to presume she's 'younger' than the other human/elven students.

His brother has entered the Labyrinth and all the way down to the layer Kumo's story is on right now. But is it at the same time?

Timelines absolutely must differ, although I'm curious to find out why kumo has been born later, assuming she'll meet Julius next episode. Maybe she actually died multiple times and was re-re-re-re-etc-born? Lol

Also I LOVE how the battle theme starts out sounding like when Neo fights Agents in Matrix. Hilarious.

Yeah, the dragon reincarnator indeed seems strong. I have to wonder exactly how. At least we can deduce the human reincarnators (and the dragon girl?) have been living in that world since their birth, though, so they obviously have a giant head start compared to Kumoko. How long has Kumoko been around? A month? In that sense, time wise, the dragon girl (what is she, Ryuuko?) being ahead is not so unfair, but it still doesn't explain how she gained experience. Nothing indicates she has been going out to fight strong opponents. Did she just level up by loitering and studying?

Based on the student's earth dragon fight alone, Kumoko should have a huge actual combat experience edge, if nothing else, should they ever meet. In a certain sense an intelligent monster with zero combat experience can be less dangerous than a more animalistic monster guided by instincts. Naturally a monster with intelligence and experience is the most dangerous of all. Although the dragon girl was highly effcient and decisive when she finally decided to fight.

The religious nutjob girl is annoying. Although when she started to talk about the taboo skill holder witch hunt, I was glad. Not only would she oppose Kumoko, she's even opposed to Fei (though she doesn't know it yet). That sort of conflict among them is jolly good!

Her design works so well as a Nendoroid.
This was also an enjoyable episode.

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OMG, that nendo is too perfect

Well, her new form is kinda goofy(little jester poofs all over it...), but it's still not the one she has in the ED.

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She's not crazy, it sounds like she is literally hearing the voice of God in this world telling her what to do and how to act.

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Uh, yeah, that's the computer that talks to them when they level up/attain skills. She's just the only one too stupid to realize it's not god.

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Well, her new form is kinda goofy(little jester poofs all over it...), but it's still not the one she has in the ED.

Uh, yeah, that's the computer that talks to them when they level up/attain skills. She's just the only one too stupid to realize it's not god.

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Yeah but it give instructions, let alone tell you to kill people with certain attributes.

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Yeah but it give instructions, let alone tell you to kill people with certain attributes.

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Well, add to that that it seems that there's a whole religion behind it, so not the only one too stupid mind you.