Oreimo

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Alternative titles:
Ore no Imouto ga Konnani Kawaii Wake ga Nai
俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない
My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute

Type: TV
Episodes: 12
Producers: Aniplex, AIC Build
Source: Light Novel
Genres: Comedy, Drama, Seinen
Trailer: 1080p

Synopsis: Kyousuke Kousaka, a normal seventeen-year-old high school student, hasn’t gotten along with his younger sister, Kirino, in years. For longer than he can remember, Kirino has ignored his comings and goings and looked at him with spurning eyes. It seemed as if the relationship between Kyousuke and his sister, now fourteen, would continue this way forever.

One day, however, Kyousuke finds a DVD case of a magical girl anime entitled Hoshikuzu Witch Merle (Stardust Witch Merle), which had fallen into the entranceway of his house. To Kyousuke’s surprise, inside the case is a hidden adult video game titled Imouto to Koishiyo! (Love with Little Sister!). Kyousuke attempts to fish out the culprit who dropped the case by bringing up the topic of magical girl anime at the family dinner table. All that comes out is a strong negative reaction from his parents, especially his anti-otaku policeman father.

That night, Kirino bursts into Kyousuke’s room and, in perhaps the first conversation she has initiated with him in years, says they “have things to talk about.” Kirino brings Kyousuke to her room and shows him an extensive collection of moe anime and lolicon bishoujo games she has been collecting in secret.

Links: Official Site | ANN | AniDB | MyAnimeList

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[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 01 [9C50F426].mkv
[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 01 [XviD] [1ED82106].avi

[Himatsubushi] Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai - 01 [5A8FC484].mkv

are there any non-school student non-moe non-harem non-loli shows this seasons?

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Originally Posted by MFauli

are there any non-school student non-moe non-harem non-loli shows this seasons?

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Iron Man? (I haven't watched it, so if there are in fact school girl characters apparent in it, my bad :x)

that Super Robot Wars one?

Psychic Detective Yakumo oh no wait he's like a college student or something...

Togainu no Chi, or Hakuouki? (Though afaik those both have some moe for the women if you know what i mean)

Letter Bee second season maybe? I dunno I haven't seen the first season of that one or Hakuouki :\.

Kuragehime probably won't have too many heavy moe elements, considering it's aimed at a female audience. (But at the same time it shouldn't be too heavy on the BL) Female cast? yeah. Heavy moe? most likely not.

There seem to be a good number of otaku-based anime this season. OreImo, the lil sister is an otaku, right? and I think World God Only Knows is the same.. (Or about an otaku who's forced not to be an otaku or something?) and Kuragehime is all about fujoshi. Of course, it's nothing new for these types of shows to come out.. It just caught my attention that there's 3 of them at once.

I liked hearing Azusa's VA (Taketatsu Ayana) in a more "forceful" role here than she played recently in K-ON (the slapping him awake while crawling on top of him was funny), but ultimately I'm not sure what to make of this series.

I'll give it a few more episodes, but it wasn't a homerun from the first episode. The soundtrack sucked too. Very jarring. The fact that I noticed it was bad enough, but it felt grating most of the time.

edit: I would like to point out the VA played one of the sisters in KissxSis, and now she's an imouto-otaku, heh. I also recognized a number of the games she had. School Days and Summer Days, and a few Navel titles as well.

I recognized school days along with summer days and cross days who i assume are related.

It was pretty boring... you'd think they'd step it up with the comedy but it honestly feels like something directed for the sake of real life otakus who will get a laugh out of watching a little girl do that stuff

I might watch episode 2 if i'm bored, i might not... who knows

I liked it. The part where the brother had no idea how to play a visual novel was funny.

Somebody called this the best show of the season and maybe that's why my expectations were somewhat high, but this first episode didn't entirely convince me. However, I'm more than willing to give the second episode a fair chance.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

Somebody called this the best show of the season and maybe that's why my expectations were somewhat high, but this first episode didn't entirely convince me. However, I'm more than willing to give the second episode a fair chance.

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That's probably why I liked it. Because I had not read any expectations of this show.

[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 02v2 [8530F9DB].mkv
[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 02 [XviD] [45794325].avi

v2 is out and is encoded from a ts. There are a few script tweaks and since it's a new raw there's no patch.

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[Mazui]​ Ore​ No​ Imouto​ -​ 02​ [0330E299].​mkv

I believe they used the leaked ANN raw.

I liked how Kyōsuke tried to explain what a community was.

I very much enjoyed this episode. He figured out what her problem was right away (no friends she can relate with about her hobby), though he did need help to find a solution. Saori too, was very concerned about making sure everyone in her circle wasn't left feeling isolated. She could tell the two were nervous and didn't want to gush about their particular interest with all those others who were hitting it off so well. I was glad that Kyousuke noticed Saori's attentiveness and insight too.

What really seems to set this series apart from a series like Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu is the tone they present. Otaku aren't generally respected in Japan, manga is one thing, but anime and especially eroge are another. While this series is a comedy, they don't always treat the issues lightly.

Kirino is popular at school, very mainstream, but she is intensely worried about her hobby. She was succumbing to the social pressures, and becoming isolated. She was even further isolated at the meet, because of her more mainstream interests. Essentially caught in the middle, she was lucky to have her brother and people like Saori. She sought her brother's help, and instead of it being a comedy about keeping it a secret, he was genuinely trying to help her. He found her some friends to connect to, he went along because she was nervous, he's been trying to play the games to understand her better, etc.

That doesn't mean there can't be comedic elements though. The argument between Kirino and Kuroneko was hilarious. It was like being here!


The series probably won't stay like this forever now that Kirino has a place to talk about her hobbies, and it may well transition into a clash between the two faces she presents with her brother caught in the middle, but I found this episode very pleasant.

I can't help but wonder how the brother fits in at all. I guess a siscon series requires such a brother but it clashes with the realism created elsewhere. In short, why does Kyousuke go so far to help her? His holding all the cards, in the end, since he knows Kirino's secret, not the other way around. Doesn't he have his own hobbies or buddies to spend time with?

woah, just watched the first ep due to lack of anything better. This show actually is really good :D Is that the voice-actor of Kyon (Haruhi) and Tomoya (Clannad)?

The show has a nice, quality feeling to it. Now dling ep 2. I wonder if this is a show with a developing plot line, though, or single episodes of pure comedy.

He is voiced by Yuuichi Nakamura (Tomoya). Kyon is voiced by Tomokazu Sugita. They don't even sound similar.

The brother is a nice guy who has a really cute little sister. The sister asks for help, so he does all he can to help her. Makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

The brother is a nice guy who has a really cute little sister. The sister asks for help, so he does all he can to help her. Makes sense to me.

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It's far more likely to make sense in fiction than in actuality. And I have no problems with that. I just thought to pay attention to it after Ryll mentioned how this series's feet are much closer to the ground, when addressing the otaku issue, than Nogizaka Haruka's. I personally find it somewhat unlikely a normal high school guy would go out of his way this much to support his annoying little sister. If he was already an otaku himself then perhaps, why not.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

I can't help but wonder how the brother fits in at all. I guess a siscon series requires such a brother but it clashes with the realism created elsewhere. In short, why does Kyousuke go so far to help her? His holding all the cards, in the end, since he knows Kirino's secret, not the other way around. Doesn't he have his own hobbies or buddies to spend time with?

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Just watched ep 2 and came here to post the same. When he told Kirino that he finished the game, he accepted playing another one just like that. Why does he have such an obligation to do that? Usually in such anime, the lead character, which here is Kyousuke, is an otaku himself. But Kyousuke isnt that AND does not have any kind of hobbies...as far as we know. At this point, he feels like an empty shell that´s just there to push the story revolving around Kirino forward.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

I can't help but wonder how the brother fits in at all. I guess a siscon series requires such a brother but it clashes with the realism created elsewhere. In short, why does Kyousuke go so far to help her? His holding all the cards, in the end, since he knows Kirino's secret, not the other way around. Doesn't he have his own hobbies or buddies to spend time with?

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You're a only child aren't you? :/

You're compelled to help your sister no matter what, you can bitch and moan all damn day about all the ways she annoys you but in the end it's just the way it is

Also i enjoyed this episode much more than i did the first one, but i still feel my otaku levels aren't high enough to fully appreciate it

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Originally Posted by Archangel

You're compelled to help your sister no matter what, you can bitch and moan all damn day about all the ways she annoys you but in the end it's just the way it is

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Very true.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

It's far more likely to make sense in fiction than in actuality. And I have no problems with that. I just thought to pay attention to it after Ryll mentioned how this series's feet are much closer to the ground, when addressing the otaku issue, than Nogizaka Haruka's. I personally find it somewhat unlikely a normal high school guy would go out of his way this much to support his annoying little sister. If he was already an otaku himself then perhaps, why not.

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I'm not that certain he really has much in the way of his own friends, or his own hobbies for that matter. They don't show much of him at school, but he only really seems to talk to that one girl, who appears to be their neighbor. He's ignored at home ("They didn't care where I was.") and doesn't get out much, his room is plain and rather bare. His sister is giving him some attention for the first time in years. He's going to help out, if only to stay engaged with someone in his family.

Fine. Then I'll just consider him a siscon. Because that's what doing what he's doing makes him.

I'm not an only child, though. I thought only the only children romantically thought a sibling would always go out of their way to help the other siblings. Naturally you do as much as reasonably expectable but I think this dude is going beyond that. I'd yield if he had put a stop to it at this point, having done this much out of pity to get the sis some friends (even though he seemingly has none himself), but somehow I believe he's going to follow her every whim and serve her till the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

He's ignored at home ("They didn't care where I was.") and doesn't get out much, his room is plain and rather bare. His sister is giving him some attention for the first time in years. He's going to help out, if only to stay engaged with someone in his family.

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okay, that doesnt make it any better, regarding Kyousuke himself. Even a misfit has some stuff he likes to do. As is, he doesnt have anything. A person that doesnt take part in society usually is more likely to play games, watch anime and stuff. But thats not the case, either.

I hope they´ll clear this up in the upcoming episodes. As of now, to me Kyousuke appears to be a guy that wakes up, goes to school, comes home, eats dinner, then goes to bed. fullstop. Something´s not right with that.

I really like how the episode was leaked one day early from the crappy ANN servers.

Oreimo Episode 2 Leaked 1 Day Before Japanese Debut (Updated)

You people are making it sound like he's giving up his freedom and all his time by helping her. All he did was finish an eroge, and go to Akibahara with her so far. Do you people not have siblings? Do you not spend time with them at all? If you think that's demanding you must really not get along with your siblings at all.

Like I said in my previous post, if it stopped here, I'd admit it's not out of question because Kyousuke clearly pitied his sister for not having any friends to talk with about the stuff she secretly likes. However, I very much doubt he will drop it here. He will keep playing the games against his will till the end of the show and catering to his sister's selfish needs also otherwise. Like a real siscon.

But since this is a siscon series, who cares? I'm only saying it's not realistically normal behavior in my opinion, but this is an anime, not real life simulation.

You're using the term siscon wrong. Kyousuke is not a siscon. He's just a normal older brother. Labelling this as a siscon series is even weirder considering so far we have seen nothing alluding to the fact. Just because the series is about someone's little sister doesn't make it so.

Not to mention their interaction so far is absurdly normal besides all the otaku related stuff. I'd say it's pretty realistic. And I don't think he's playing the game's against his will, he's just indifferent to it. He's got a pretty indifferent outlook on life in general.

Granted, I don't have a little sister of my own and I never lived a phase of life without any hobbies or interests of my own, so maybe you are right. For a completely empty person this could be realistic. After all, you have to do something to fill 24 hours every day. If you've got nothing else, serving your sister could be an efficient choice.

I dont have a sister, either, "just" two younger brothers, but I still think the problem is not what Kyousuke´s doing, it is what he´s doing it instead of...which so far seems to be...nothing, lol.

And he´s definitely a siscon. Granted, maybe I´d be a siscon, too, if I had a cute sister :P But the way he keeps getting involved with her, right after we were shown how bad their relationship actually is...well...

It's exactly because they had such a bad relationship that he's trying to get more involved now. Honestly, i don't see where you people are seeing anything more than a concerned brother.

[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 03 [DF6F1D89].mkv
[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 03 [XviD] [163283F7].avi

lol, another messed up family in this show :D
Wtf @ direct fist punch into his face!

And his dramatic speech to his dad was completely unnecessary when he later lied about owning the stuff anyway.

It was a surprising turn that their parents found out this early, and also pleasant that the issue was not that she liked anime as much as she had an ero-game. That roots this series a bit in my eyes, and like Kyousuke said, a perfectly sound argument from his father. The speech was still necessary, otherwise the father would have thrown everything away. The only thing that saved the whole scheme was the fact that Kirino owns the only computer in the house (and secretly owns a laptop). That was the only way the, "They're mine!" statement worked.

I can't help but see the two otaku girls as Kirino's real friends and the other ones from school just for show now. I'd like if the did an episode where she either hangs out with her model friends, or that she ignores her otaku friends while she's hanging out with the other models. It's one thing if she legitimately likes both groups, but the "normal" girls are starting to suspect she has something going on, which of course they think boyfriend. I'll be a little disappointed if they just leave that sort of thing hanging.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the father is keeping tabs on Kyousuke to make sure he doesn't give the ero-games to Kirino. That would be the responsible thing. Kyousuke's made the sacrifice of being viewed as even more of a waste than he already is, so their father should reasonably be keeping that kind of "corrupting influence" from his daughter.

It also seems that Kyousuke does have a bit of a life of his own. Hanging out with his little girlfriend. It's mostly one-sided by the look of things, and there is still the risk that he's going to become a siscon, or he might even fall for Saori for all we know. But he does seem to hang out with her.

The brother is doing pretty well for himself, he's got a girl who he's close to enough to make late night calls before bed and then a sister for his sinful lust lol

I thought the father was going to punch Kyosuke earlier, specially when he said he would kick his ass in his face.

Their mother seems a bit more understanding.

Kirino is just too cute...

The father might be understandable on certain topics, but he's pretty damn stubborn. I wonder what happened to him that caused him to change this much?

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I wonder what happened to him that caused him to change this much?

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He has a dark past of experiencing the hot incest with a younger sister himself, he knows what its like, and wants to spare his children the suffering that comes with it.

Just joking :p

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

The speech was still necessary, otherwise the father would have thrown everything away.

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A more cautious person wouldn't have gone so all out with the speech, though. But maybe Kyousuke shares his parents' opinion that he's no good and thus decided to turn the reactor to 120% when less would have likely sufficed, having no reputation to lose.

First of all, the fact the parents didn't know anything indicates they haven't a habit of checking the kids' rooms. So, even if Kyousuke had said he's just checking what such games are all about and not declared himself a full hentai otaku, the old man might have been pacified. In fact it would have better explained why Kirino was carrying it - that is, her evil older brother didn't want to buy it himself but forced her to, while she was anyway browsing for anime goods.

[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 04 [73464065].mkv

[Nipponsei] Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga nai OP Single - irony [ClariS].​zip

I have to admit, after this episode, I really have no idea where this series is going with its characters (which of course is a great thing).

First off, we have Saori again. There is the frequently noted shift in her online persona and the one she presents in person and over the phone. More mysterious though, is that they very deliberately didn't show her face over the phone. Combine this with the super high-end brand make-up box and we get...what exactly? Does she clean up exceedingly pretty? Is she really into cosplay? As tall as she is, she might secretly be a model. She's shown having a boyish figure, but a lot of that could be the clothes. The shirt is hideous and tucked-in to hide any potential slender waist, but she's by no means flat.

She's also getting pretty friendly with Kyousuke. Secret phone conferences, hanging close to him while Kirino and Kuroneko have their friendly rival spats, etc.

Then we have Ayase. Her secret will be revealed next time, explaining whatever reason she had to be at Comiket, and the title is certainly hinting at some "odd" hobby, but the stranger thing was her reaction to Kyousuke. She was also getting pretty close to him for it being their first meeting.

Ayase taking a good long look at him on the couch, then defending him while his sister played her little hate-filled act in front of her friends, and then sought out a reason for his behavior grabbing the box. Capping it all off, she seemed undeterred to learn more about him, and got his phone number.

The problem is that it totally isn't clear what her goal in all this is. Ayase might be snuggling up to Kyousuke because she somehow fell in love at first sight, or she might have been getting closer to him as a way to later sneak out information on Kirino's secret. Nothing nefarious about it, I do think if that is the case she just wants to know more about her friend. But with her appearing at Comiket, it might be that she suspected Kirino was into otaku hobbies, and was seeking confirmation through Kyousuke. That way, if Kirino is a bit of an otaku too, Ayase would be able to "come out" to her friend without fear of the same social reprisals that Kirino is terrified of facing.

So what's the truth? Is a harem blossoming around Kyousuke, or is it simply a number of coincidences because he's essentially Kirino's backup, chaperone/guardian, and manager?

On a final note, I really enjoy this hateful/grateful dichotomy to Kyousuke and Kirino's relationship. It is subtle variation on the flood of tsundere girls the past few years, and comes off very natural for siblings.

Inb4 harem ending is all i took from this episode

Kyōsuke could have handled the box situation better but I don't blame him since he was in a hurry to get those "goodies" away from Kirino's friends.

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

Then we have Ayase. Her secret will be revealed next time, explaining whatever reason she had to be at Comiket, and the title is certainly hinting at some "odd" hobby, but the stranger thing was her reaction to Kyousuke. She was also getting pretty close to him for it being their first meeting.

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About the title for next episode... did it had questions marks? I only saw four blocks with questions marks, so I don't know if that was on purpose or if I am missing a certain font.

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Originally Posted by RyougaZell

About the title for next episode... did it had questions marks? I only saw four blocks with questions marks, so I don't know if that was on purpose or if I am missing a certain font.

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No question marks, just four dots.

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Originally Posted by Marik

No question marks, just four dots.

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I can't get a screenshot since Im not at home, but I got four boxed question marks, those that appear when you are missing a font.

Any idea which font they used for this? Its annoying when groups use special fonts...

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Originally Posted by RyougaZell

Any idea which font they used for this? Its annoying when groups use special fonts...

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When I extract the subs it says this...

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I'm guessing it's Balzano.

"Kate starry night unlicensed blade works" 'nuff said...

Seriously, though, including the best friend wasn't something I expected before this episode, but I'm not complaining. Maybe she's a cosplayer. They are models, after all.

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Originally Posted by Marik

I'm guessing it's Balzano.

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I'll search for that one tonight and try again. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

"Kate starry night unlicensed blade works" 'nuff said...

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Ah yes. I noticed that car too. I loled.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

Seriously, though, including the best friend wasn't something I expected before this episode, but I'm not complaining. Maybe she's a cosplayer. They are models, after all.

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Considering the fanbase Ayase seems to have, I was wondering if she was going to have more screentime than Kirino's work. Specially since she isn't show much on the opening song.

woah, the "accident with kirino"-scene was kind of over-the-top, lol. Just falling down together, then landing on top of her was enough. But no, Kyousuke also grabbed her tit. And still not ending it here, Kirino´s friends walk in perfect in time. lol

The exchange of phone numbers between Ayase and him also felt really odd. Not sure how to feel about that.

[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 05v2 [6D25FA8E].mkv
[Mazui] Ore No Imouto - 05v2 [XviD] [264C6130].avi

Normally I would wait for Mazui, but the suspense about Ayase was killing me, I watched Himatsubushi's.

[Himatsubushi]​ Oreimo - 05

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Then we have Ayase. Her secret will be revealed next time, explaining whatever reason she had to be at Comiket, and the title is certainly hinting at some "odd" hobby, but the stranger thing was her reaction to Kyousuke.

The problem is that it totally isn't clear what her goal in all this is. Ayase might be snuggling up to Kyousuke because she somehow fell in love at first sight, or she might have been getting closer to him as a way to later sneak out information on Kirino's secret. Nothing nefarious about it, I do think if that is the case she just wants to know more about her friend. But with her appearing at Comiket, it might be that she suspected Kirino was into otaku hobbies, and was seeking confirmation through Kyousuke. That way, if Kirino is a bit of an otaku too, Ayase would be able to "come out" to her friend without fear of the same social reprisals that Kirino is terrified of facing.

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I'd like to point this section out to show how completely off base I was about Ayase. I like series that surprise me.

It turns out she's not much of an otaku herself at all. In fact she is a complete psycho. One whom also may or may not be in love with Kirino. I guess Ayase's reaction about Kirino's hobby pretty much justified exactly why Kirino wanted to keep it such a tightly held secret. Ayase's delightfully misinformed opinion was formed around media reports designed to get viewership paired with their typical low-key retractions. Just the kind of stuff the media here loves to pull. It was really creepy when Ayase was accusing Kirino of betraying her and then grabbing her wrist really hard. I'm guessing from that display that she actually means it when she says she's going to kill Kyousuke.

It's nice to see that Kirino's other friends are so much more understanding. They both knew she didn't really mean it. They had a great time before Ayase stalking Kirino ruined it.

I'm not so sure about Kyousuke's ability to think about the long-term. He seems to have decided to destroy every shred of dignity he has in order to protect his sister. While his plan was hilarious, it's probably a bad idea to continue with these kinds of plans. Death threats are a bad sign Kyousuke, not successes.

Same goes for the way he's been approaching his dad. At least his father is doing the same kind of research to make sure his daughter doesn't go astray. Nice to see decent parenting in the sea of so many series where the children are completely abandoned.

When Kirino yelled at him about "taking this long to try and act as the elder brother" it showed she probably likes this games in where she can act as the 'elder brother' since the one she had hadn't been there for her... and what Kirino really wanted was a brother.

At least that's the impression I got from that scene.

I actually didn't like that part much. I wanted Kyousuke to win his sister over from scratch with his current efforts, and not have the childhood bond advantage that is so cliche in anime.

The way that scene went implies that Kirino actually liked (or likes) Kyousuke, and has only been pretending to be bitchy the entire time because she felt abandoned. I hope this boring development is not really the case.

I fucking hate this episode with a passion but at least Kyōsuke managed to bring Kirino and Ayase back together by shifting the source of the problem to himself. That makes me really sad since he's one of the characters that I like in this show.

I have to agree with Ryll: I never dreamed Ayase was a bloody yandere. I guess Kyousuke realised that and thus planned, succesfully, to actually employ that deviant personality trait of hers by completely shifting her violently single-minded attention from Kirino's hobby to himself.

I have said it before but his dedication is abnormal. Unless he genuinely feels he was a good-for-nothing brother during their earlier years, he has given up on himself (a sentiment his whole family shares), or he actually does love his sister...

I wonder how well Kyousuke's self-sacrificing ways will merge with Kirino wanting a real brotherly brother (or whatever she's imagining). The family has already given up on him, her public friends detest him... Does she want a wreck of a person as a brother? But maybe it doesn't matter in her little fantasy world.

Ayase is an evil asshole psycho bitch, and nothing that happened in this episode redeemed her in any way.

Just finished watching, now reading above postings :D

Mazui - Ore No Imouto - 06

Tsundere for her brother even when he isn't there... weirdo

Heh, Kirino was lonely and jealous. Or maybe she just wanted to show off her latest prize to the only person who wouldn't think she's a weirdo. Then again, she has Saori and Kuroneko. Yeah, she was jealous.

Kyousuke should really just go for it. Manami wants it, her grandparents want it to happen, and it sounds like her father does too. They're a good fit too. With any luck he won't turn into a sis-con for real, and he and Manami will just naturally come together.

Not to mention he won't allow anyone else to take her, so maybe he wants it too.

When Manami returns the favor and sleeps over at his place, is there even a place for her to sleep besides his room?

In any case, she was damn cute in this episode.

I've started to like Manami thanks to this episode. Before this, she was just there.

This was a pretty entertaining episode throughout.

What a pleasantly enjoyable Manami episode. Supporting grandparents for the win!

god, i wished they would scrap the whole imouto-thing and leave the show like this. Clannad-vibes all over the place. It´s Tomoya, ffs! :D

At this point, any other couple than him and Manami would feel wrong imo.

My only criticism with this ep is that the whole "sleeping together with Manami" worked because the producers didnt show her dad at all. It´s....acceptable for grandparents to act that way, but a dad shouldnt have allowed it, especially since everyone had their own room set up.

They did show him, he was that quiet guy who helped carrying the supplies

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My only criticism with this ep is that the whole "sleeping together with Manami" worked because the producers didnt show her dad at all. It´s....acceptable for grandparents to act that way, but a dad shouldnt have allowed it, especially since everyone had their own room set up.

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The clock was hardly past ten when they went to sleep. Chances are the dad was still preparing for the Halloween event. Thus he might never even learn of it because most likely he also gets up before Manami and Kyousuke and is gone by the time they worm out of their little stoic love nest.

@Archangel: I know

@Kraco: Yeah, possibly. Still, the whole situation only worked BECAUSE they left the dad out of the picture :P

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@Kraco: Yeah, possibly. Still, the whole situation only worked BECAUSE they left the dad out of the picture :P

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Yes, but I don't feel like it was artificial at all, justifying you saying it was only possible because the producers of the show so wanted. Kyousuke is very familiar to the whole family and it most likely didn't even occur to the dad's Halloween event occupied mind that there could be any risks in having him stay over. He went sleeping assuming Kyousuke sleeps in the same quest room he's always slept in and he would have no reason to even imagine Manami sleeping elsewhere than her own room. Manami is the oldest of the two children (assuming they have only two children) and thus we can also assume the grandparents' enthusiastic encouragement would have been a news to the dad as well.

Mazui - Ore No Imouto - 07v2

not much to say here. only that I really dont like super-perfect people like Kirino. So now she´s capable of writing novels professional enough that someone considers publishing it? Ew...

Makes me appreciate Bakuman a bit more, where even though the heroes proceeded a bit fast, they have only one area that they excel at.

Yeah, although I'm not sure that was the whole truth of it so I'm not yet so worried. But if they go down that road... Well, after seeing the clips of the Merumeru (or whatever it was) anime, I could be said that the standards of the world depicted in the series are quite low anyway.

Kirino's writing style was obviously a low-level fanfiction. And I don't know how doujinshi get published... but the publishing sounded like a scam anyways. People probably browse through fanfiction and chose random victims and tell them they can publish... and end up charging them for a set of books nobody is going to buy.

Yeah, that's what I initially thought as well, although combined with the fact there could be more nefarious scamming going on as well if the "publisher" learned her real name and the fact she's a model.

This episode was pretty boring overall. Big disappointment after the last few.

The only thing that really stood out was Kirino accidentally admitting she likes her brother to his face. Though...we can't really be sure exactly how much of a lie that was considering her little acting scene with the bucket of water. She was very insistent he buy her something, and was displaying them happily after the hotel.

To be honest, the phone call from Manami did more for me. I don't know why, but she's so innocent sounding despite everything we've seen (the lap pillow, the not-really-objecting to the barbs from her grandparents) and I find it rather irresistible. To constrast, incest does nothing for me.

Concerning the novel, I think it will be a scam, or at least some kind of self-publishing (author paying for every copy printed). Kirino's dedication on their little date was commendable, but it would feel wrong if this series started going in this direction so soon. Like MFauli said, it wouldn't be fun if she was perfect at everything.

It does sound shady, indeed. I actually liked how Kirino and Kuroneko mirrored each other in their argument of flaws in their respective novels.

Mazui - Ore No Imouto - 08

... what's with that tracker?

Deepbone is their tracker. I like to link straight to it instead of going through mazui.com. Their site goes down a lot.

This episode was kinda frustrating to watch.

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Agreed.

Kuroneko and Kyousuke did express their secret hatred toward Kirino, where everything always seems to go right for her, but Kuroneko likes her as a friend/rival and Kyousuke does like her as a sister...so what was the whole point of that part of his speech anyway?

These past two episodes have turned me off of this series a lot. It is ridiculous that she goes from writing a terrible cell phone novel into not only getting published, but getting an anime with minimal to no changes despite the production being ultra-short notice.

I can't help but compare this part of the series to Doujin Work, where a girl gets into that business to make money, only she sucks at art and writing. As the series progresses...she still sucks at art and writing. Here, Kirino gets one bit of criticism from her friend about how crappy her novel was, and suddenly her next one is not only published, but also a bestseller? WTF.

I liked that this series started in relative realism, even going into the attitudes of the average person against anime and otaku culture, and these last two episodes it just completely reversed everything it accomplished and became ludicrous.

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If Kirino thinks she can get away with only more more "life-counseling" session, then that is exactly how Kyousuke should treat her. He should go off and marry Minami, and then the next time that Kirino needs his help, he should refuse until she begs, crying.

He's been helping her all this time, taken in all the conflict she might have faced, and now has nothing to show for it. He's gotten beaten up by their father, twice, is loathed by her normal friends, and now has thrown away his dignity doing a dogeza in front of anime producers. To show for it, he's on friendly terms with Saori and Kuroneko. Kirino is back to being a bitch again because everything has gone so well for her.

She hasn't faced any conflict since the first episode and a little bit with Ayase, whom we haven't seen since. Kyousuke's taken in all the rest, and took the majority of the blame with Ayase. Now she's back to thinking she's super wonderful and that most of the success she's recently gotten is mostly due to her own efforts. Not blind luck and a lot of help from her brother and friends.

Ugh, really frustrating.

I'm thinking that this will go back and bite Kirino in the ass, or at least I'm hoping so. Kyousuke needs to get something for all his troubles.

Still, being liked (even as a possible brother candidate) by a kuudere goth loli is more than enough reward for me. Too bad Kyousuke likes "perfect" tsunderes, the fool.

Kuroneko is so awesome this episode.

okay, this episode has ruined the show for me. will continue watching for non-Kirino scenes, though.

Seriously, this is beyond ridiculous. Not only that she is writing novels. That novel becomes a beststeller. And just like that she´s offered her FUCKING OWN ANIME! :D I laughed out loud when that happened. That crap continues then by Kirino getting totally depressed JUST because her anime is slightly altered. Yeah, i would be totally sad when someone just told me my very own anime show!!! And even that wasnt enough. All these studio officials that have nothing better to do than holding meetings with a little fanfic-writing girl. And then these people give in to an emotional speech of a brother instead of going with their rational business decisions. WAH!

Kirino has now become one of my most hated anime-characters ever. I dont know if she is what would be called "Tsundere", but when I think back at Tsunderes like Taiga they had some redeeming features. Kirino is just a selfish, self-centered girl that gets anything she wants and is perfect at anything she attempts to do. There´s no room for sympathy. She´s the worst kind of person, sigh.

Damn, I´ll never again complain about Bakuman and its characters making progress in the manga-business too fast. It´s all over the place in Oreimo...

Edit: ah, im glad to see Im not alone with these sentiments :)

I'll just pretend this episode never happened. Well, it only half happened for me anyway since I stopped watching in the middle of it. In the beginning I was just waiting for the scene where Kirono wakes up from a dream, but then when I realised this was just an insult to all real authors out there, I stopped watching. If this had been actually a funny comedic episode, it would have been another story, but there was no humour included, only the complete disbelief inducing sad plot.

I hope the story goes back to basics in the next episode.

the annoying thing for me was Kyōsuke(!) and not Kirino
his move was really pointless and pathetic.
hell, what did he even think he could do with such a weak preformance and the worst ithing is that it actually worked out
not to mention he just realized how much he *HATES* his sister and still does all that shit for her, thats such a hard contrast that this episode was really really hard to believe.
the only reason I didn't start to rage was Kuroneko...

the most amusing thing however is even though Kuroneko said what she had to say (god bless her), the studio is still going to produce that shit.

We might lose hundred thousands of $$$$ but hey, didnt he beg nicely? he got on his knees didn't u see that? we must hear him out, lets do as he says!

thats just amazing haha... oh gawd.
yeah.. Kirino is the smallest problem in this episode

at first I was like
"YES! The studio will kick ass by showing how things work in the *real* world"... "WOAH even my favorite Charakter in this series (Kuroneko) says really nice things" and then one despicable pleading later.... huff

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Still, being liked (even as a possible brother candidate) by a kuudere goth loli is more than enough reward for me. Too bad Kyousuke likes "perfect" tsunderes, the fool.

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I'm not that certain that Kuroneko likes him in that way. I took that part as Kuroneko being envious of that Kirino has a brother like him. I think I remember some mention of Kuroneko having siblings (or not, I forget). Either way, she had to have been thinking how different her path would have been if she had a selflessly supportive brother the way Kirino does (especially since she doesn't deserve it). Maybe she would be the one negotiating about an anime version of her dark and brooding teen novel series.

I didn't take away anything romantic in that scene. Just admiration.

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the most amusing thing however is even though Kuroneko said what she had to say (god bless her), the studio is still going to produce that shit.

We might lose hundred thousands of $$$$ but hey, didnt he beg nicely? he got on his knees didn't u see that? we must hear him out, lets do as he says!

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They did state that some other series got canned in pre-production, and they needed a replacement fast. What better choice than a quick and dirty loose adaptation of a bestselling light novel?

They had to fill it with something, and licensing the IP from an otaku author who is fresh on the market and likely inept at business isn't that dumb of a choice.

As much as I agree with how asinine Kirino getting her way is, Kyousuke and Kuroneko had a point. No work had been done on it so far, so there wasn't any legitimate reason to bastardize her work. Yuri series like Kirino's novel do get watched, even if their plots are completely nonsensical.

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I didn't take away anything romantic in that scene. Just admiration.

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Yes, that's why I put in "(even as a possible brother candidate)" as a qualifier.

Sigh, I can't just agree with what Kyōsuke is doing for his sister. They may be siblings, but this is just outright pitiful of him to go this far.

I've heard of doujinshi hitting jackpot and becoming series or the like... but this was unreal and ridiculous. Can we just go back to her being an eroge fan?

Mazui - Ore No Imouto - 09

Oh man, i raged SO hard! This is KyoAni level trolling right here.

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Oh man, i raged SO hard! This is KyoAni level trolling right here.

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In what way? I'm not really seeing any connection here.

Unless you mean Kirino being a bitch, but hating a character in an erogame who is exactly like her. Even then I'm not seeing any "KyoAni trolling."
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They sure making it easy to hate Kirino since the last episode. She skips out on work to play games. I cannot count the number of times I've wanted to call out sick and play a game that just came out, but I never have. Her job is the reason she can afford all that stuff in her hidden closest, and being a model, it's not like her job has any sort of regularity from week to week or even month to month. It's whenever a catalog or a magazine needs her. She also wasn't all that hard to replace by the look of it.

I'm kind of pissed Ayase thought the best of Kirino, rather than the worst. Especially after it's been so long without her.

The bright side was Kuroneko and Saori parts. Kuroneko took Kyousuke's behavior to heart, and spent the day acting like a real big sister. She even suffered through Meruru while using her sewing experience to make a toy. She's maturing a lot faster than Kirino is, no matter how jealous she is of Kirino's deus ex machina success. Kirino takes baby steps from Kyousuke's influence while Kuroneko makes leaps.

I knew Saori was a bombshell! I guess her otaku quirk has always been cosplaying. That might be why she mentioned she went to the other days of Komiket in addition to the one where she hung out with Kuroneko and Kirino. The earlier day(s) were spent cosplaying. The problem I did have was that I thought the community of cosplayers was very nasty about cosplayers who buy their outfits rather than make them. Maybe that's just the primadonna western cosplayers. Still, if Saori is that into it, shouldn't she be like Kuroneko and make her own?

We don't really know all the circumstances of why she hides her dynamite body, but it looks like we might find out for sure next time. Maybe she's shy or doesn't like the attention when she's not cosplaying. Like Ohno from Genshiken.

(Despite finally finding out about Saori for sure, I'm still rooting for Kyousuke x Manami)

Indeed, Saori's quite the lady underneath that nerdy cosplay. Kirino shouting through the wall reminds me of my little brother getting excited over a game, except I didn't mind it as much since I wasn't doing anything important at the moment. Still, her behavior towards Kyōsuke was unacceptable.

I stopped caring about Kirino a long time ago, as probably was meant by the author, so the only thing that disturbed me in this episode was the fact there was too much Kirino and too little Kuroneko and Saori. Kuroneko's scenes especially were delightful, though witnessing the real Saori behind the otaku persona was naturally important. Just like this series to make her suddenly a lady of considerable wealth, of course.

it was all fine and good until Kirino overdid it again with her bitch-behavior in the last few minutes..

had to laugh alot though.. all in all it was a nice watch this time.
I really hope to see more Kuroneko x Kyosuke scenes

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In what way? I'm not really seeing any connection here.

Unless you mean Kirino being a bitch, but hating a character in an erogame who is exactly like her. Even then I'm not seeing any "KyoAni trolling."

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Yes, and in a sense of magnitude. I already hate her character, rubbing it like that made me want to punch the screen.

Its sad how badly the anime has screwed up Kirinos character and now everyone hates her. Yes, she was very tsun in the manga and LN, but she wasn't nearly this bad (atleast not that I can recall).

The timing of this series is bad also. After so many Kugimiya Rie tsundere series, no one really has the patience for this particular character type anymore.

Phew, nice return to the good entertainment. Kirino´s still an unlikable douchebag, but it didnt show that much in this episode, because she was playing a game.And she sooo wants some hot love with her brother, lol.

Best scene was Kuroneko having a phone call with someone, using her Maschera-language, while her sister and mother were listening. SOOO embarrassing to watch xD

Edit: Btw, WTF was that break short pause between the "I love you, Oni-chan"-eroge-scene and her saying "Phew, no Im tired!" supposed to mean? Did she masturbate or wat xD

Despite the general dislike for Kirino lately, I found this episode quite enjoyable. I loled a lot this time around. It also helped me forget episode 8 existed.

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Despite the general dislike for Kirino lately, I found this episode quite enjoyable. I loled a lot this time around. It also helped me forget episode 8 existed.

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That's because apparently it never did, 4chan claims it was a filler.

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That's because apparently it never did, 4chan claims it was a filler.

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Good grief... who did they hire to make that blasfemy? Tite Kubo?

I think it was intentional, or at least I hope so. The episode was about making premature anime adaptations and how badly they can fuck it up with filler and other stuff, while the episode itself was unnecessary filler. It was almost like it was trying to make a point by setting itself up as an example.

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That's because apparently it never did, 4chan claims it was a filler.

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Yes and no. If memory serves me correctly, there was a similar event in the LN, but that story dealt more with plagiarism (no, it wasn't Kirino). This is why I kind of laughed at episode 8, because they talked about how wrong it is to change a story when going from the original source to an anime, but yet thats exactly what they did.

Truthfully speaking, this episode is more filler than the last since nothing like this ever happened in the LN. But, it was nice since we never saw this side to any of the characters before. Infact, it's made me like the characters even more especially Kuroneko and yes, even Kirino.

Mazui - Ore No Imouto - 10v2

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