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Macross Frontier
anybody hear anything about this?
did a quick serch no info on it other then that it airs 2008 wich would make this a xmas treat i guess =O
Episode 1
http://a.scarywater.net/shs/%5BShins...5D.avi.torrent
Just finished i was pretty much ready to consider this to be nothing but another macross 7...
BUT ITS FREKING GREAT >.< sadly i cant beleave they will be able to keep up the production values for 12-24 more episodes, this has gotta be like an oav or something. when you seen visuals like this it makes you wanna be real critical of other shows along this line.
in any case its good and so far theres only 1-2 people I hope get killed off =O
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...o-set-for-2008
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more info
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funny.. animenfo has its genre listed as "music"
EDIT: Well I was thouroughly dissapointed... I was hoping it was a music anime... but... I think NeoBear said it best
seriously. the action is NEAT. the story seems interesting (so is the main character). I also like those personal flying things they have and the enemy's design is just plain awesome!
yea, its probably an OAV, but its still pretty cool. hope it stays that way
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I bloody like it! Nice Xmas treat! Has me itching for the next episode.
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Many, the quality of this episode was pretty damn good. We got at least 2 songs of greatness. Despite it following that boring character formula it was definitely a random surprise.
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WOW!!!! The VF"S are awesome!!! the pilots sucks though,. I just hope they can maintain this type of quality..
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I wasn't expecting much after Macross Zero but this blew me away. The way the main character got into the Gerwalk is almost exactly the same as the original Macross. Can't wait for the next episode.
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Awesome! Is this a series or OAV?
Just wondering, since they are using VF-XX, does this mean it's a sequel to Macross Plus? Personally, I wouldnt mind a sequel. :)
Never mind my above question, I just read the infor on Macross Frontier, says it's a direct sequel to Macross 7. :/
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yeah but is it an oav or a series still cant tell =/
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First episode was great. I can't wait for more. The production and quality was awesome.
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Originally Posted by randomc.animeblogger.net
In anime news, according to an announcement at Wonder Festival 2008 [Winter] today, Macross F’s airdate has been set: it’s going to be taking over Shakugan no Shana II’s Thursday 25:25 timeslot on MBS starting April 3rd, 2008. So that means Macross is going to be on Thursdays and GEASS will be on Sundays, though those are only two of the 35+ series premiering in the Spring.
Well, this sorts our whether it's an OVA or not. Looking forward to this in April. And of course, more GEASS. :D
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Sweetness! Can't wait till April now. :)
Thanks!
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Spring is gonna be awesome... a pity there will be no Gundam 00 tho... but three great mecha shows at once would be a great threat to the productivity of the human race.
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Well, this sorts our whether it's an OVA or not. Looking forward to this in April. And of course, more GEASS. :D
well this is the best news all year for me so far, i cant wait. in my case macross is what started me on anime i remember waking up at 6am to watch it when i was like 7-8 yrs old, of course back then we called it something differnt we called it Robtec! =)
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Time for a bump now that the episode has re-aired (slightly modified).
I checked out the original pre-air episode. Wow, I loved it. The last Macross series I watched was Plus (yes, just like Gundam, I'm not up to date on the staple mecha serials).
Watching Frontier was like putting a shoe back on that you used to wear all the time. Comfortable, familiar, and an excellent fit. I could tell from just one single image.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2...6246yc9.th.jpg
The hand motion. That single image symbolizes Macross for me. It's the love of flying so much, that you visualize it with a part of your own body. Though it was not the male lead, Alto-hime, he holds that ideal higher than anyone in the series.
The love of flight above all else, and the desire to go further, go higher. Just like Isamu in Macross Plus, the simple joy of it is what will make Alto the "perfect" pilot.
Nor did the creators leave us wanting on any of the other staples I've always associated with Macross. The rival pilot. The innocent female lead/love interest. The glitter and sparkle of technology that actually feels "futuristic." Lanka's frog phone.
Miboshi Academy's appearance at 2:39 in Shinsen's subs. Classic Superdimensional Fortress. The two "horns" are unmistakable.
And of course...the songstress.
But they but a spin on everything, right from the start. Alto-hime. A protagonist in Macross meant to look as feminine as possible? In my Macross? Isamu was a badass, and Hikaru was not feminine either. And our songstress? A complete and total egotistical bitch.
Even Lanka. A debut voice actress (something I always like as long as they are bolstered with strong costars to help them out and bring out the good performances) and a "fresh" feeling to her.
I'm sold. Macross is back.
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what are the difference between the two ep 1? just edited for regular tv?
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They moved some scenes around, swapped out a few. They added in the official OP/ED, though the latter was half-length to include a few extra clips.
Details here:
Differences between normal broadcast and special broadcast months earlier
Less epic flight sequences (but not mixing the combat and concert together), but more of Sheryl being a huge bitch.
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I was waiting for Shinsen's links, but they're slow. I thought they'd be hot on this show.
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The OP's swirly vortex thingy right at the beginning looked very much like the one used in Geass. Will give opinions when finished watching.
Edit: Rather good episode, everyone seems to want Alto bad.
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I'm not so sure about whatever reason Sheryl wants him. I guess he saved her during the concert in the newer version, but that doesn't really compare to all the things he (heh, I wrote "she" first) did for Ranka/Lanca.
In addition to the awesome flying and combat in the beginning, we got a good amount of background on the main characters this time:
Alto is actually descended from a line of Kabuki actors, received training for years, and is probably the geisha in the OP. I had thought that was Sheryl in heavy makeup until they revealed that. That explains his feminine appearance very well.
Lanca is a 1/4 Zentradi. Perhaps that explains why her hair gets a little floaty sometimes and she can even control it a bit?
The real mystery is why the aliens are after her. Particularly when she sings, they wake up, or start hunting her down and chase after her. I'm not entirely sure whether they are after both Lanca and Sheryl, since the parts at the end had them together. For now, I'm leaning towards them only going after Lanca, and not Sheryl. Maybe that could be a hit to Sheryl's ego?
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Alto is my favourite hime now! Eventhough I am not familiar with the Macross series. I go wiki up what Zentradi means.
I think this show can actually be something interesting for the next couple of months. How many episodes anyway?
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will macross frontier air weekly now?
this is a great series, macross zero or yukikaze is a joke compared to that.
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i like how when they wear riding in the car they played that song from Macross 7
"Lets go! something something blah blah i dont know the words!!! "
lol =)
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Ep 01 -Shinsen-
I was wondering why those HD releases looked subpar. I thought it was dodgy encoding since it's the first time I've heard of Gattai, but it's because macross doesn't air in true HD.
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ep 3 raw is out. I guess everyone who watches probably already knows. But damn, there is some fan service in this ep.
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You can't say anything about the episode if a raw is released, until there's a sub released. You didn't really reveal anything, but keep it in mind for the future.
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Well, here's a tripple joint, or might even be a quadruple joint if you consider Menclave two groups... AonE-Gekkostate-Menclave releasing episode 1:
http://bt.mymenclave.com/torrents/%5...5D.mkv.torrent
I want to start this series, it really does looks awesome... but I want to finish watching Zero first, which I never did. I also want to watch all the original series that I have burned somewhere before I get to this... so hopefully in a couple of months I will get on this.
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Zero relly has nothing to do with the timeline from what i can tell. hell there was not even a Macross however it was still great, except for the stupid oh look at me ending
i tried to go back and watch some of Macross 7 and all i could find was something called Macross 7 Dynamite ..... you do not want to watch that trust me
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Originally Posted by NeoBear
Zero relly has nothing to do with the timeline from what i can tell. hell there was not even a Macross however it was still great, except for the stupid oh look at me ending
i tried to go back and watch some of Macross 7 and all i could find was something called Macross 7 Dynamite ..... you do not want to watch that trust me
Zero I don't want to watch because of chronogical purposes... I just want to finish it because I had already started it.
Let me throw in all the series that are available for download, and the general order I came up with (chronogical order):
Macross Zero [5 Episodes]
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross [36 Episodes]
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? [Movie]
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross: Flashback 2012 [OVA Music Video]
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: Lovers Again [6 Episodes]
Macross Plus [4 Episodes]
Macross 7 [49 Episodes]
Macross 7 Encore [2 Episodes + Special]
Macross 7: The Galaxy is Calling Me [Movie]
Macross 7 Trash [8 Volume Manga]
Macross 7 Dynamite 7 [4 Episodes]
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/continuity.shtml For Detailed Information on Macross Continuity
Just the same, there's this huge ass torrent with a ton of shit of Macross (most if not all the above series are included):
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/2...4/?tab=summary
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Hmm, which one of those is actually worth watchin? (good animation)
Zero was very good, but i watched something like "macross plus" and that was just bullshit...
It felt like i was watching Saber Riders or something like that.
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Stop being such an animation whore. Those newest to anime, or the youngest, are really spoiled about that these days. You're missing out on so many great titles just because of how it looks.
Superdimensional is early 80s, so you have to give it some leeway there.
Just avoid Macross 7. Just...don't
Plus has really good 90s animation, think Bebop or the Evangelion movies. Plus is also one of the few that I felt really caught the feeling of Macross. It's test pilots. The most badass pilots there are. Versus a rogue AI. I fail to see how that could possibly remind you of Saber Riders (which I had to look up) in any way.
Zero looks really nice, but I didn't find all that much substance to them. Didn't have the Macross "feel" to them.
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The animation style (of the anime i was talking about) reminded me of saber-rider thats all.. and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with being an "animation whore". There has to be a minimum of realism in animes... i hate bad looking characters, because it just destroys everything. If the animation is bad but the story good, then i'd prefer a book about that anime.
Btw, there is a reason why computer games have better graphics than they did 10 years ago. The same goes for animes, the very old stuff is only good if you want to feel nostalgic (for example Saber Rider, Mask, or He-man...yes i watched all of these and they were great back then, especially mask...but today it seems weird and comical)
But I'm not sure anymore if it really was Macross Plus i disliked so much. (just watched a video on youtube and the animation style isn't bad at all)
There is a Macross with a scene of a test pilot, sitting "buddha style" in a plane (obviously meditating) and flying it through a test course. He avoided like 20000 lasers during that testflight... and that is just ridiculous .. really if I want to see something like that, i start rewatching DBZ or something similiar to that, I always thought Macross is something for "older" people. (I know that I'm talking about macross here, in which every pilote avoids getting hit by like 300 rockets at once, but there is a limit for that too... it was like in Yukikaze or the movie Independence Day where all the planes [about 100-200 planes] shot all their missles at one target, but unlike in Yukikaze or Independence Day they didn't even hit the target)
Well after watching that scene, i instantly deleted the whole package, thats why i can't remember exactly which Macross it was.
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AonE & Co's release is 340MB? I thought this show didn't air in true HD? Am I mistaken there?
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I may be making shit up, but I think that rectangle that comes up in the very begining of the episode usually is found on HD channels.
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Episode 3 - AiA I-Z
Dunno if they're any good, considering I-Z did Dragonaut and I dropped that series after episode 2 and I have no idea who AiA is.
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Originally Posted by Munsu
I may be making shit up, but I think that rectangle that comes up in the very begining of the episode usually is found on HD channels.
Hmm. I'll have a look at that later. Paraphrasing from Shinsen, they reckon Macross F doesn't have a true HD source, and that all the HD raws are station upscales. I"m guessing station upscales are the same quality as home upscales.
(side note on upscales, if you play SD anime on a HD tv from your computer full screen, is the resultant image upscaled when you use full screen?
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The joint AiA I-Z not translating the songs is really unacceptable. This is Macross. The songs are as important as the rest of the dialogue, if not more so. They put a lot of meaning into each of the songs. Not knowing what they are saying takes a lot out of the series.
I would really like Alto to punch Mikael right in the face and then beat the shit out of him. He ends up coming off as such a douchebag. While it is true that he's better pilot than Alto, I just get this feeling like he is only doing it for the glory, not for anything like protecting people or the joy of flying. Maybe that last part isn't true, but he just comes off that way.
They really went overboard making Ranka cute. Not beng able to let go of Alto's shirt, and some of the other things later on the hill. It's way too hard not to like her.
The same goes for Sheryl. She comes off really self absorbed and a huge bitch, but she's nice in her own way, and the stubborn way she tried to leave the shelter, live or die, showed that she's not too far off from Alto. She has her own dreams, shallow as they may or may not be, but she persues them just as fervently. She also keeps making excuses to herself to keep visiting Alto. I wonder if there's more to than that.
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I'll wait for a better sub. Gattai seemed pretty good, but now with releases everywhere, I don't really know which to pick. Probably Gattai still, since they're pretty fast and not obviously bad. I'll check out AonE too later.
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Originally Posted by Munsu
I may be making shit up, but I think that rectangle that comes up in the very begining of the episode usually is found on HD channels.
From what I gather, the kanji there reads "subtitles". Whether that has to do with HD channels or not I don't have a clue.
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Finally got around to watching the first two eps. I felt like my eyes were going to orgasm from the animation and visual details. So many little things that didn't have to be animated were added and gave it a nice realistic feeling.
The story doesn't seem particularly special, but I really don't care since its following a pattern I tend to like. The Mecha looked great, the enemies were interesting, and the definite lack of a one shot, one kill dynamic really made the battles more enjoyable. I don't know how they can put so much effort into the details of the show but I hope they maintain it as long as is physically possible.
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@ KrayZ33
if you honestly thought Macross Plus was bullshit man you need to drop macross and never look back im sure some would argue that was one of the greatest oavs of all time honestly =/
but after watching episode 3 of frontier i am getting a little worried i mean we all know that music and singing are a big part of macross but god some times its just so akward and out of place.
why does there always have to be some random female who will just burst into song out of the blue in macross ugh. however i think this is so much better then anything done in macross 7 hope i don't have to eat to many more Celine Dion moments
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I'd probably be happy to discuss all the virtues of Plus, it certainly is one of my favorite OVAs, but this isn't really the best place.
So far, I've thought all the songs were very well placed. The importance of songs in Macross obviously stems from Minmay being such a huge part of the war in the first series, generally putting an enormous hit on the Zentradi's will to fight, and allowing for the peace that gives us the half-breeds like Mikael (guess at this point), and Ranka. One pop idol crushed the morale of an entire species. Or in Plus, the song that Myung sang (also the ED theme) described her childhood relationship with Isamu. That his desire to fly was so strong, he left her alone.
Anyway, outside of the pop performances, Ranka's little songs fit really well where they are. Not to mention they are sung a capella, which I really prefer in these settings. The first one in the second episode that Sheryl took over was really moving if you watch the lyrics, especially as the planes shoot off into space in the background. That song could be applied to someone leaving for war, and goes on to describe the worry and feelings of the person left behind.
Now, I have no idea what Ranka's episode 3 song was about because I-Z doesn't translate them, but from her talk about it at the end, I imagine it is a little less fitting because it is a song she remembers from her parents. But the way she was singing it also fit. Ranka just learned her "brother" had been lying to her, and that he had been going into combat, leaving her alone after he promised she wouldn't lose anyone close to her again. Something like that would ruin Ranka's day pretty badly, and that's an understatement. So Ranka went to her special place to think. Someone like Ranka who is really into music, Sheryl's or otherwise, might only be able to fully calm herself by singing a little. Especially a song familiar to her and the only thing she remembers of her parents.
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Episode 3 - Gattai
The Gattai version for those who wanted it, maybe they'll have translated the songs.
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Sadly, I checked already. They did not either.
EDIT: Which is fine, because I thought their translation of Sheryl's concert was lacking. Shinsen fixed their translation up with their version of the broadcasted version, and it certainly sounds the most accurate with all the amount of English in the song.
Looks like Shinsen or AonE are the only real options.
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In that case, I dearly hope AonE catches up. Macross with proper subs would be a killer. If not, I guess Shinsen will suffice too.....but HD mecha.....
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I've been watching the [AiA IZ] subs. I didn't notice any major errors, just a few awkward phrases in episode 3.
http://a.scarywater.net/aia/
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Am I crazy, or does the protagonist sound and look a lot like the character for D.grayman? (Blanking on name, he uses that sword)
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Yes, Alto is a lot like Kanda for D.Gray-Man
Anyway, AIA IZ's version just doesn't cut it for me visually. With all the beautiful eye candy in this series I at least want 1280x720 and so I go with Gattai. The songs are a big loss, but AonE et al will putter along at their normal pace and I can grab them for archival.
Alto is coming off as the typical upstart angsty teen so I can't really bring myself to care about him, however I love Sheryl and Ranka is starting to grow on me. The battles are still great but hoepfully we'll be getting more backstory on who's being fought and why soon.
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^^ I have trouble viewing a lot of 1280x720 videos. I guess my computer is getting old :|
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Originally Posted by Yukimura
Yes, Alto is a lot like Kanda for D.Gray-Man
Anyway, AIA IZ's version just doesn't cut it for me visually. With all the beautiful eye candy in this series I at least want 1280x720 and so I go with Gattai. The songs are a big loss, but AonE et al will putter along at their normal pace and I can grab them for archival.
Alto is coming off as the typical upstart angsty teen so I can't really bring myself to care about him, however I love Sheryl and Ranka is starting to grow on me. The battles are still great but hoepfully we'll be getting more backstory on who's being fought and why soon.
It's really not so much to expect from his considering his VA usually do those types off character. But somehow, he actually still save those fragile personality from being totally annoying.
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So, they're gonna be "singing" in Macross F too? I hated the music in the original series. It really killed it for me. I couldn't bring myself to finish watching them. If they're gonna be singing the same crappy songs over and over and over..... again, there's no way I'll be able to stomach this new addition to the series either.....
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I rather like singing. It's good to calm down and balance the story after all the mecha action. I like how they'll do a parallel telling of the story from Ranka and Alto's sides. It really does give it an all round feel, and explores the universe from different perspectives other than just soldiers. I haven't seen any other Macross series. From what I gather, they all feature Divas?
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In one manner or another.
- Macross Zero has a singer on the island who does rather special things.
- Superdimensional has a girl, Minmay, who becomes a super pop idol (and her seiyuu who debuted in the series became one in real life because of it).
- Plus has a local starlet who left for the galaxy and is now the manager of an AI pop idol.
- Macross 7 has a rock band...or something, it's just strange.
- And now Frontier has essentially two Minmays, probably as an homage to the original series. One is already a huge star, and the other is a talented girl who just might win a local idol competition.
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Watched the 3 episodes and just wanted to say that i really like it so far.
How many episodes is this series going to feature?
Anyway, i really hated how Alto´s friends kept their membershit in that elite group a secret from him. hope hell get his revenge on that.
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It is shit but in reality it was for the best. Even it it were your closest ones you shouldn't talk top secrets that could, in a complicated way, make a leak. And that's obvously bad for military businees.
What I am do waiting for is Alto's first "OH MI GOSH? DID I JUST KILL SOMEBODY?"-thingy. I hope this serie do avoid that point....
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What I am do waiting for is Alto's first "OH MI GOSH? DID I JUST KILL SOMEBODY?"-thingy. I hope this serie do avoid that point....
I wouldnt have a problem with that if it was like "OH MY GOSH, DID I JUST KILL MIHAERU AND SHERYL?"
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Sheryl is hawt, don't say that!
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Macross Frontier OP
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ohhh nice now if i can only get the one they play during Sheryl's first concert
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Just a simple question. When does the weekly episode of Macross Frontier come out?
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Quit asking dumb questions that can be answered with a quick trip to ANN.
Anyone seen Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles? Does it stray very far from what's happening in the Macross series?
edit: Just watched it, has nothing to do with anything beyond expanding on the end of the Invid series and what possibly happens next. See that, Chodie? I took care of it myself, instead of relying on others, ya lazy sack.
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uhm i have not watched all the macross series (is there a story anyways? for me Macross looks so random), but Robotech is based on it, so it shouldn't stray far away. Its another story but its pretty much like Macross Frontier in my opinion
It reminded me of the game Freespace. (at least the fighting scenes :) )
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Just a simple question. When does the weekly episode of Macross Frontier come out?
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Originally Posted by Animeniax
Quit asking dumb questions that can be answered with a quick trip to ANN.
Anyone seen Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles? Does it stray very far from what's happening in the Macross series?
edit: Just watched it, has nothing to do with anything beyond expanding on the end of the Invid series and what possibly happens next. See that, Chodie? I took care of it myself, instead of relying on others, ya lazy sack.
Funnily enough, ANN doesn't have that info. Neither does AniDB and whole bunch of other sites. I think it'll be 26 plus, judging from the length of previous series.(Macross 7 was 49 while Macross was 36)
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http://www.mahou.org/Showtime/
This site does. Nor is it very hard to find. And I personally have listed it many times in this forum.
EDIT: As for the subs, that depends entirely on the group doing it, and as always, their personal lives will supersede the subbing process.
I know we haven't been given too much to talk about, but staying more on topic might be nice.
For example:
What was with the guy sexing up the female military officer that Sheryl knows? He seems to be her superior, but her father it seems is also very prominent. Did I miss something, or do we know who that is and why might this be important to our overall storyline?
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I really don't have an idea why that was in there, and in that much detail. At first I thought it was just to fit in some fanservice while they were at it. We'll be seeing some more of the female officer, since she's part of the official military. I foresee them having clashes with the SMS.
I'm rather interested in how Alto's skills compare with those of the SMS, especially his peers who've been keeping their membership secret. It's been established that Alto's keenness and joy for flying surpasses theirs. He'll definitely be behind in weapon training. so the one thing that'll set him apart will have to be his piloting skills.
@Ryll: I checked that website before, and it's not their neither.
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@Ryll: I checked that website before, and it's not their neither.
You've got to be kidding me. I assume what "isn't there" is the total number of episodes. Chiodos didn't ask for that.
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Just a simple question. When does the weekly episode of Macross Frontier come out?
Also known as "when does it air," since it would be impossible to know when whatever group releases because there are too many variables and I would not expect them to prioritize subbing over a variety of other things they may encounter in life. The answer to that question is "when it's done."
However, the airtime is right on Mahou's site. You've got to be blind not to see it.
Station: MBS
Time: Friday 1:25AM
So expect speedsubs on the weekends, and better versions later in the week, or weeks later in Shinsen's case.
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Urgh. Mistook what Chiodos was asking for. I seem to be doing that a lot of late. Sorry about that Ryll.
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Well, everyone loves to mistake everything I do becuse I'm having a hard time writing in a sense.
@Ryll:
Thanks.
About the blindness, well, sometimes you don't really see when it's infront of your nose. I guess I'm the most maturity in that ^^!
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Episode 2 brought to you by AonE, Menclave and Gekkostate.
Macross Frontier 02
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dont post in this thread until ep 4 is subbed, dammit :P
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speak of the devil, here it is
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=17061
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Watched the episode, great.
a bit weird handled how Ranka looked totally down when Alto wasnt sitting in the audience and then still had no problems with her singing, but oh well.
the action scenes are just beyond awsome, the best ive ever seen in my anime-life ;)
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I don't like the animation in the show... I wish they'd do it like Naruto's fillers. those were awesome!
Zentradis are cool though (its my first macross show, so i didn't know what they were)
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Can I ask if anyone knows how to make the subtitle file with tc or sc .ass to display in vlc player. I tried to use the fonts available by default as well as the included fonts. Does not seem to work.
The file that I was trying out is the below. I start to watch abit of it. I can see why some cringe at the thought of all the singing and love solving world problems. (I can only say that "yeah its a dream."
[POPGO][FREEWIND][Macross_Do_you_remember_love_HD_REMASTER][DVDRIP][H.264_AC3]
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Looks like Gattai heard our complaint and translated the song. I see where the other fellas were coming from now, the moment would have just been random singing accompanying the fight. I liked the action too, and the light off the helmet when the plane reached the launch pad was just nostalgic. That lieutenant with the genetic disorder is mixed (with Zentradi) blood, right? Do all mixed have such a disorder? If that was the case, then Ranka may not be as young as we think she is, making a love triangle more believable.
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no that disorder is not normal and i dont beleave you have to be mixed to be able to macro either.i have never seen a Zentran macro and it make them go (loli mode) but im also wondering are only Zentradi able to go macro and whatnot? i cant remember if humans can do it.
also man the combat in this episode was awsome im sorry but watching valks flying around and transforming mid fight is why i love macross =)
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in reference to whether humans can go macro or not, in the DYRL movie Max was made to be big so he could fight along side milia in the quadrono power suit. but who knows, could just be because its a movie.
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Looks like Gattai heard our complaint and translated the song. I see where the other fellas were coming from now, the moment would have just been random singing accompanying the fight. I liked the action too, and the light off the helmet when the plane reached the launch pad was just nostalgic. That lieutenant with the genetic disorder is mixed (with Zentradi) blood, right? Do all mixed have such a disorder? If that was the case, then Ranka may not be as young as we think she is, making a love triangle more believable.
As for the song, as the episode itself said, it was a cover of one of Minmay's songs from the 80s series. They timed it, and I'm very glad it was in there, I'm just still not so sure they translated it.
Klan Klan (or Kuran Kuran, however you want to say it) is a full blood Zentradi. I believe that Zentradi are naturally giants. I don't think anyone but full bloods can even switch between. I've never seen any of the half-breeds do it. Though the full bloods certainly shrink down in order to breed with humans. Her genetic defect just makes her a loli when she's supposed to appear as a human sized version of her jumbo-boobied self.
Ranka is really 16. Alto isn't far from that either, after all he's still in high school. Ranka's age is definitely 16 because it is again a reference to Minmay, who was also that age during most of the original series. Maybe Sheryl is a bit of a cradle-robber though.
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Alto is 17... it was said in that episode
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Wowowow... really thats all I can say to this, I m new to the macross series (all i watched before was macross zero and a bit macross plus) but this is awesome
even the "miss macross contest" was cool!
does anyone care to explain what those "elves" are about? Why was Klan "Klein" (lol) so big and why so a few seconds later small?
And what kind of mechas are they using? Its not a fighting-plane is it? it looked like a robot from ghost in the shell for me.
btw that beverage vending machine was cute "*beep* :) *beep* :) *beep* do you want something to drink? *beep* :) *beep* :) *beep*?" - "no go away *hush hush" - " *beep* :( *beep* :( *beep* :("
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wow the varja kept coming one at a time. They will get wiped out soon. Even the Princess can take them down with some 700 year old gun pod?
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does anyone care to explain what those "elves" are about? Why was Klan "Klein" (lol) so big and why so a few seconds later small?
And what kind of mechas are they using? Its not a fighting-plane is it? it looked like a robot from ghost in the shell for me.
They explain it partially in the intro sequence before the OP. The events were all chronicled in the original Macross series. The "elves" are the Zentradi, the race of giants that humanity was nearly wiped out by when they attacked Earth. They were created by and enslaved to another race to act as warriors and not allowed culture of any kind. Humanity developed the first variable fighters to combat them and their weapons suits (now seen here as the mechs, before they were more like giant, armored spacesuits). They eventually heard songs from the original Miss Macross, Minmay. I don't know all the details because I haven't seen most of the original, but sooner or later the Zentradi rebelled and joined the humans against their masters.
Humans and Zentradi can interbreed because they are "genetically equivalent." Thus half-breeds like Mikael and quarters like Ranka. Zentradi are originally giants (as far as I know) and they can be micronized, where they change into more human-sized bodies, but maintaining their proportions. This is also how they interbreed with humans.
That's why it's funny that Klan Klein (Kuran Kuran, whatever) turns into a loli from a genetic abnormality. Her proportions don't stay right and she turns into a kid.
That should cover all the questions, either directly addressed or buried in one of those paragraphs.
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I rember when i was like in 1st grade i would wake up at 5am to watch the original Macross for its time it was so advanced. the Macross time line and or series over the years have been hit and miss i personly enjoyed the Original Macross, Macross plus, Macross Zero, and if they can keep up the pacing and production values the Current Macross Frontier.
also as a side note if you are someone who can deal with animation from the 80s/90s i very much recomend the Original series the story has aged well and i think it allows for a much better understanding of some of the referances in Frontier. had you seen the Original series you would not have batted an eye when KK poped out of her suit nore would you have been surprised to see her microed a few moments later. although i was a little baffled to see her in loli macro mode....and perhaps a little disturbed...but only a little =O
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They explain it partially in the intro sequence before the OP. The events were all chronicled in the original Macross series. The "elves" are the Zentradi, the race of giants that humanity was nearly wiped out by when they attacked Earth. They were created by and enslaved to another race to act as warriors and not allowed culture of any kind. Humanity developed the first variable fighters to combat them and their weapons suits (now seen here as the mechs, before they were more like giant, armored spacesuits). They eventually heard songs from the original Miss Macross, Minmay. I don't know all the details because I haven't seen most of the original, but sooner or later the Zentradi rebelled and joined the humans against their masters.
Humans and Zentradi can interbreed because they are "genetically equivalent." Thus half-breeds like Mikael and quarters like Ranka. Zentradi are originally giants (as far as I know) and they can be micronized, where they change into more human-sized bodies, but maintaining their proportions. This is also how they interbreed with humans.
That's why it's funny that Klan Klein (Kuran Kuran, whatever) turns into a loli from a genetic abnormality. Her proportions don't stay right and she turns into a kid.
That should cover all the questions, either directly addressed or buried in one of those paragraphs.
I'd imagine that big ugly guy is one from the master race? I couldn't imagine Ranka's grandparents looking like that...
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Btw is Kyun's nick name (from Melachony of Haruhi) actually "Woosh" ?
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Btw is Kyun's nick name (from Melachony of Haruhi) actually "Woosh" ?
Totally off topic:
No. Kyon was the nickname and in the anime they never told his real name. Although they, if I do remember correctly, did mention it in the novell.
But maybe I didn't get the question right so...
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I am up to eps 21 of SDF Macross. While it has some quite familiar scenes, of the Zentradi ships blowing up. I kind of remembered watching something similar before. While I felt in the past that it seemed like crap, the SDF macross seems pretty good. Even with the less then impressive graphic. However, I think I seen the Robotech "dubbed" series which is crappy? anyone can confirm that?
Cant wait for more eps to finish downloading and for this weeks eps.
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I ordered most of the dvds for SDF Macross, but I don't know when those will come. I can't wait to catch up on Macross as a whole, I only saw parts of SDF long ago.
Anyway...yes, if you thought it sucked hard, it was probably Robotech. Robotech was the edited to hell, redubbed, mixed around, mish-mash of three totally unrelated anime series. While elements of Macross (first part of Robotech) and Southern Cross (second part) do seem to cross over well enough, the beginning of Southern Cross was completely bastardized to make the compilation work. Macross recieved probably the heaviest editing, largely due to plot and the occasionally graphic/mature nature of relationships between Macross characters, like we've seen so far in Frontier. "Butchered" is almost always used to describe it.
The third part doesn't even remotely make sense. Macross = variable fighters or at the very least, fighter planes. The plot of Southern Cross has a couple of elements that make sense, and the mechs vaguely resemble the Zentradi suits. The third part of Robotech has a mech that looks more like a Code Geass Knightmare.
So I can't confirm it, but if you thought it sucked, it was almost certainly one of the Robotech versions.
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the thing to understand if you talking Robotech is like Ryllharu said there wear three series as far as i could tell.
Robotech = Macross
Robotech II = Souther cross
Robotech III = hell if i know?
i rember there wear three series i watched as a kid Macross was fine and all im sure it was edited but all in all for its time it was pretty advanced stuff for kids to be watching at 6am in the morning.
Southern cross as i rember delt with Max's daughter who as it turns out was not relly his daughter but was made to be his daughter for continuity here in america? also in this one there were no valks or if there are they were mostly replaced buy these transforming hover tank things that nobody cared about.
And the third series i remember almost nothing of as the Valks were almost all but absent. and i seem to remember this being the one with the transforming motorcycles and the singer chick that was really a guy or some shit .... it sucked
in any case if it was not Robotech/Macross that you watched but one of the other two i can understand why you would think it sucked.
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good thing. I downloaded another series, that hunted for "whales" wow that was crap. I had only one eps completed and deleted the thing. This SDF macross on the other is worth it to buy. I would just hope that if they reproduce it in HD I would buy the collector edition in a second. Makes it so much more that the MF is really good in the eye candy.
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There's really no point in releasing SDF in HD. It aired in 1983. We're lucky to be getting remastered versions on dvd. Upscaled is really the best you can hope for, which is exactly what Frontier's "HD" really is.
(Also the reason Shinsen does not release Frontier in anything other than standard def)
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I am satisfied with Frontiers SD release. I find it well done, details in the scenes, and the valk looks damn real. I can feel the candy in my mouth.
Anyhow, thanks for the recommendation to watch the original MF.
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Macross Frontier ED Single
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I could care less about the ED itself but the single also includes Iteza Gogo Kyuuji Don't be late AKA the song from Sheryl's consert!
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I'd still be more interested in all the a capella versions of the songs that Ranka has been singing. Or at the least acoustic versions, I really preferred Ranka's version of the ED clip that was towards the end of eps 2. Sheryl's songs are nice and very pop-ish, but Ranka's feel more moving and have a clearer sound.
It's like comparing Sharon Apple's songs to Myung's song in Macross Plus.
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I don't think the Ranka songs need to be a capella or even acoustic. As long as it doesn't go too noisy (the instruments) it should be fine.
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Episode 5 - Gattai
For those of you who can't wait for the triple-joint of doom.
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Heh, we got to see the completely opposite side of Sheryl. The genuine and cute side rather than her stuck up, angry, and forceful side. We've seen the wiser side once or twice, usually her giving Ranka advice.
But the cute side of Sheryl makes it really hard not to like her just as much as Ranka. I didn't even think that some of the other Macross class colony ships would be older and nowhere near as sophisticated as the Frontier. The ships have to take decades to build now that I think about it, and they'd be in service as long as they had to. To think that Sheryl comes from one of the more decrepit and utilitarian ones.
But like she said, that's part of her appeal. All natural (and how nice it is, cleavage shot as she hides Alto's talisman).
I particularly liked her in awe of the Zentradi farmers and the hippo-cows.
But the side of Sheryl that was most impressive was her genuine side. She's completely driven to sing, as much as Isamu from Plus was to fly, and Alto here. Overcome with the urge so completely that she rips down the nearest object and begins writing lyrics all over it.
Perhaps that same drive she has is quickly making her fall in love with Alto. Sheryl seemed to be less about teasing him as the episode went on, shifting into genuine affection.
Though with Galaxy being attacked, perhaps this won't be the last we see of Sheryl. She'll probably get stuck on Frontier (which I'm sure she'll be fine with).
But again...why are the Vajra attracted to Ranka? She sings, they wake up and attack. Sheryl has no affect on them, so it can't be a reference to their Vajra's controllers attempting to kill all singers due to the Minmay Factor*. I'm not seeing the connection, unless it has something to do with her lineage.
[*Minmay Factor: In SDF, broadcasts of Minmay's songs are what eventually turned the Zentradi's into allies. They had no concept of "culture" before.]
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week after week, episodes meet my expectations. characters are likeable and believable. and really, its the first time i actually look forward to a character singing! I'm enjoying this show tremendously.
So the Vajra are being controlled, and Galaxy will probably be destroyed. can't wait for next week.
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Ryllharu, its a bit embarrassing to read your posting, when you make it feel as if youre talking about real persons :P
Anyway, nice episode, but i wonder when the real story starts. It feels to be still in setting up-mode.
Oh, and i hate HD-videos. My notebook is just not powerful enough to run them perfectly smoothly :-/
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Well Ranka is a quarter Zerk. So I think her songs also represent or feelings/emotions or just general drive to do something. Could explain why that Vajra is activated again when she sang.
And lots of droolings over Sheryll's cleavage shot. =3
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Ryllharu, its a bit embarrassing to read your posting, when you make it feel as if youre talking about real persons
A testament to the writing of Macross. Much better than the cardboard cutout characters of many of the Gundams.
Macross has always been less about the models and toys and far more about the characters, their interactions and relationships, and their personalities. Sure, the VF's are where all the action is, but action is never the central focus of Macross, just the icing on the cake.
Gundam = sell models
Macross = sell soundtracks, create real life idols out of voice actresses and sell concert tickets
Sure, it might be a bit embarrassing in the end, but Macross has always been a character driven series.
