Bleach: still going strong?

Hey, there, fellas. Back in the day I used to watch Bleach along with the other shonen must haves like Naruto and OP, but dropped it after the end of the first Soul Society arc (around ep 70 or so) when it entered into fillers. Since Shippuden came out and revived my interest in our favorite autistic shinobi, I've been thinking of picking this back up after a year+ haiatus. I would like to know what you guys think. Are the story, action, and characters still of the calibur that kept me watching for about twenty hours? A little input could go a long ways to preventing a regretful batch torrent if this is merely a shell of its former shelf (Naruto fillers). Obviously I'm asking a biased crowd, but tell me: is Bleach still going strong in your opinion, or are there better things to spend bandwidth on?
-Thanks

Well in the grand scale of things I'm sure there are better things to spend bandwidth on, in my opinion Bleach is still more than worth the download. Of course with the thin description of what you consider "going strong," you could consider differently.

Also, if you are asking if the fillers are worth the download, I'd have to reserve my judgment, only having downloaded the last few episodes of the bunch to catch up. I read the manga as well, so I wasn't missing much.

In the current arc, however, you have more things plot-wise going on than ever before, characters being fleshed out more fully, and fights (of course!) that just keep coming. While the inclusion of a few of the filler characters is a tad unnecessary, they do help pace the episodes so a future filler arc won't come so quickly. Plus, at least the main characters didn't have a 60 episode amnesia attack.

Bottom line? If you enjoyed pre-filler Bleach, what's on now should more than entertain.

Start searching for a new series. Bleach is going into DBZ hell. New big enemy, train, power-up, fight, new big enemy, train, power-up, fight... All the while no real character development or interesting story lines.

I wouldn't say Bleach has taken a turn for the worst just yet. In fact, I'm quite excited about what's to come more now than I was with the Soul Society arc and those stupid fillers. This is where we get into the meat of the story, but it'll just take some time.

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Originally Posted by JaySee

Start searching for a new series. Bleach is going into DBZ hell. New big enemy, train, power-up, fight, new big enemy, train, power-up, fight... All the while no real character development or interesting story lines.

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Unless that was a tasteless joke, you should just drop watching any shounen fight anime, because what you described is the basic concept behind them.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

Unless that was a tasteless joke, you should just drop watching any shounen fight anime, because what you described is the basic concept behind them.

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Nope. Naruto I find to be different. Lots of different well-made characters that many people can relate to. Good development on the characters. Actual story line. Good life lessons.

There's a constant strive to get better, but it's not one disposable boss character after another. And it's most definitely not MAIN CHARACTER TO THE RESCUE at the last second non-sense. And there are actually goals and purpose to the madness. Not just, Oh, I have to save the world again.

Ichigo had purpose and although his companions suck ass as characters, they were somewhat on a close level. Now it's just DBZ Goku reincarnated and Ichigo's a stupid emo-kid. :rolleyes:

I think one of the things you're looking is good guys other than the main charachter winning battles. In DBZ of course only Goku could ever beat an high level opponent, even that 1 time where it was Gohan, it was really Goku as Gohan was failing till Goku came and told him to win.

With Bleach there hadn't been too many of those before the fillers. (Yorouichi vs Soi Fong and Ishida vs Mayuri and maybe Ganjyuu vs Yumichika) are the only good guy wins that didn't involve Ichigo. However, since the filler arc ended we've seen other charachters come into their own and beat tough opponents completely without Ichigo's help. Notice in all the fighting that's happened since the fillers ended the only person who hasn't managed to beat someone is Ichigo. I would take this as a sign that the minor charachters are going to start to come into their own and be developed more as peers instead of just eye candy.

Well, it's not like I would be totally satisfied with Bleach as I miss the feeling I got from the very beginning when it seemed so punk, with the op and the attitude. It surely has crawled closer to the typical (train - power up - fight)^x never ending circle. Still, like I said, it is the concept behind this, and if it's totally unsatisfactory, then this type of series is not what one should be looking for.

At least there's not (yet) quite as blatant pairing going on as in One Piece, where there is always one suitable opponent reserved for each good guy, or a few consecutive ones, and everybody pretty much sticks to those religiously. But a format is a format. I'm not complaining because it's to be expected.

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Originally Posted by JaySee

Start searching for a new series. Bleach is going into DBZ hell. New big enemy, train, power-up, fight, new big enemy, train, power-up, fight... All the while no real character development or interesting story lines.

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I disaggree,
I watch both Naruto and Bleach and am far happier with Bleach after the fillers then Naruto. You are correct that Bleach has the same basic story line as many others, but its presentation of that story is different and great. Naruto has a different story, that I think is great, but after the fillers they have not done a good job at presenting it. Take the last ep of Naruto. It consisted of 2 things. Some dude playing with water and a drawn out conversation with another guy. WTF kind of ep is that? At leased Bleach still is going hard in the action area, Narutos action level has dropped considerably for me, at leased at this point.

Considering the magnitude of the crap of the fillers naruto had to struggle through and the fact that it compeltely morphed my experience with that anime. I gotta say, bleach isn't doing so bad. Its not as good as soul society at the moment, but it certainly is getting better with each new episode.

Also, Ichigo isn't the goku of this..i don't recall him winning any real world fights since the Kariya one.

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Start searching for a new series. Bleach is going into DBZ hell. New big enemy, train, power-up, fight, new big enemy, train, power-up, fight... All the while no real character development or interesting story lines.

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And Naruto...with Gaara..then Orochimaru, then Akatsuki? Its pretty much the same with all anime like this.

And Naruto's just recovering too. there hasn't been a single really interesting story line in all of its 2ish years of filler. Not to mention the last ep was just all talk and small fighting. The new plot looks really good, but it certainly hasn't gotten very exciting just yet.

I like Naruto's lack of fighting and more intelligent and interesting dialog and plot detailing. Closest thing to a boss fight in Naruto was Naruto vs Gaara, but that wasn't even a boss fight. It was a piece of a conspiracy. The dialogue in Naruto is about the plot, or strategies, etc. Bleach/DBZ is "I'm stronger than you n00b! MUAHAHAHA!!!" That happens occasionally in Naruto, but the "weaker" person can win in Naruto. No chance of that in Bleach a la DBZ.

Also, I'm not counting fillers.

Ichigo is Goku. They've been making him out to be the greatest since the beginning of the story. He's the savior. He's the one that has to beat the boss. There are people supposedly stronger than him now like Byakuya, but he'll obviously surpass them just as Goku surpassed everyone.

No one in their right mind is going to say Naruto is the best and is going to be the best. That's why there are so many debates as to if he'll become Hokage or not.

So yes to Bleach if you're a dumb action loving moron like this neg rep I got:
"you should be banned asshole. get the hell out of this forums, your kind only makes this planet sick" :rolleyes:

No to Bleach if you want good story lines and intelligent dialogue.

And to the idiot fanboys like above, I'll probably be gone soon anyway. I have friends who dropped Bleach for the reasons I've stated now that Naruto's fillers are over. We only watched Bleach because Naruto was stuck in filler hell. Now that Naruto's back, there's not much reason to watch Bleach. Especially with the direction it seems to be headed. So if it keeps on with this DBZ nonsense, I won't be on your precious Bleach board anymore. :rolleyes:

lolz, you are of course entitled to your opinion, this is a DISCUSSION after all. but imo bleach atm is so much better then naruto....
you say that bleach is so much like dbz? ummm millions of people LOVE dbz! i mean whats wrong with train /get stronger / beat boss formula? i love anime for (mainly) 1 thing: FIGHTS
no body can choreograph a fight like these animators, i love naruto because they use this awesome 3D animation type thingee in the big fights. and hands down the rock lee vs Garaa fight is the best animated fight scene (ever).
and thats why bleach is atm so much better then naruto. 13 episodes into naruto and the fights have been so so. (read lame)
now bleach on the other hand! OMG its been action central! awesome fights! and no plot u say? wtf man, the developments along the hollow ichigo story line have me checking dattebayo hourly on release days for the nxt episode.
So if you want to know if bleach is worth down loading then imo, if you had to download bleach and naruto at the same time, do bleach first.

Jaysee is definatly fucking with us :p

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Originally Posted by JaySee

Nope. Naruto I find to be different. Lots of different well-made characters that many people can relate to. Good development on the characters. Actual story line. Good life lessons.

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LMAO! What are you talking about? Unless you think the main character constantly rambling about how they can do ANYTHING if they believe in themselves is a good life lesson.

Naruto does have a better storyline than bleach and the characters have been better developed. And if you go purely by that, that just means that the Naruto manga is better than the bleach manga (lets not argue about this!)

But to say the anime is better, you ALSO have to consider other things (like presentation, pacing, animation quality, action, etc.) Quite Frankly, the anime didnt deliver at all during the filler period while Bleach somewhat did (And Naruto has been running quite longer so they had more than ample time to pull something out half decent). And now that both animes have gone back to the original manga storyline, Naruto's way of prolonging the story is quite dissappointing (The most recent episode is an example). The show has yet to be anywhere near as good as it was early on and has been like this for a LONG LONG time. It has become much more frustrating and harder to like because of this reason. But hopefully, that will eventually change.

Currently Bleach is delivering almost the same quality that it did in the pre-filler arcs. We have yet to see any major twists like we did in the soul society arc but its just starting off. The filler arc in between was also short and much better than any of the stuff in Naruto and the integration with the actual story line is much better (Although unnecessary at some times)

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Originally Posted by eat_toast

Bottom line? If you enjoyed pre-filler Bleach, what's on now should more than entertain.

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Well said. So to answer neflight86's question, if you liked the show then, you will definitely like it now.

Well I think I have my answer. I did enjoy the show pre-filler and from the general consencus of it, I think it's worth a DL. Thanks for the input, guys!

What I find funny is we are comparing one series that has been running for longer then the other comparing the storyline and charactors.

No shit the one thats been running longer will be better.

One of the most retarded things to use as a counter-point then anything else.

As well DBZ -like? how many threads about Naruto have we had which did that very thing? I lost count honestly

Everyone says... 'its like DBZ!! its bad!!!111oneone!!!111'

but this people keep forgetting something... this ain't the DBZ formula. Its the SHOUNEN formula.

Yeah Bleach is still cool, and post-filler has been much better than Naruto post-filler.

Don't worry about Jaysee, he's just some dumb emo kid.

This kind of useless crap is off-topic, unnecessary and a waste of everyone's time. Stop defecating all over the forums or you'll soon find yourself gone from them.
Warned.
masa

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Originally Posted by Animeniax

Don't worry about Jaysee, he's just some dumb emo kid.

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ROFL! :D
Spell my name right! :mad:

Bleach is still awsome. Perhaps moreso than ever.


The main difference between DBZ and Naruto that I see is that Naruto manages to LOSE most of his fights, and still remains the main character somehow.

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Originally Posted by Carnage

Jaysee is definatly fucking with us :p

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He found the way to make Animeniax look good, JaySee is trying to get neg rep that even baby moses will throw up on his posts.

Bleach is great, and is showing everyone that you can mix quality and quantity.
But to Deadfire, Yes it's still missing some Saber action. xD

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Originally Posted by DarthEnder

Bleach is still awsome. Perhaps moreso than ever.


The main difference between DBZ and Naruto that I see is that Naruto manages to LOSE most of his fights, and still remains the main character somehow.

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Huh o_O?

Naruto has only lost to Orochimaru (forest of death) and Sasuke (valley of death), if this last one does count as a lose since he proved his point by hitting his forehead.

Ichigo lost with Renji (first encounter), Byakuya (first encounter), Aizen and Grimmjow

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Heheh... just pointing it out... I don't dislike the main character losing. It makes the series more real.

@RyogaZell Ichigo actually beat Renji back in Karakura Town, then Byakuya came in with a sneak attack (that he wouldn't have been able to block anyway, but it was still a sneak attack). He lost there, and then with Aizen, and then with Yami/Ulqiorra sort of, and then with Grimmjow.

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Originally Posted by RyougaZell

Huh o_O?

Naruto has only lost to Orochimaru (forest of death) and Sasuke (valley of death), if this last one does count as a lose since he proved his point by hitting his forehead.

Ichigo lost with Renji (first encounter), Byakuya (first encounter), Aizen and Grimmjow

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Well, not loses, but he manages to not win any fight at the climax of any arc.

He lost to Sasuke. And he technically only had draws with Kabuto and Gaara. IF you wanna say Naruto one because he could drag himself by his chin, fine. But if we're calling it that close, he lost to Kabuto because Kabuto was only incapacitated while Naruto almost died.

The point is, when it really counts in the story, Naruto doesn't win. the only real victories he's had are against Kiba and Neji and those were both mid-arc fights.

Yukimura: ow... right. forgot that part.

DE: yeah but... who likes a character that can't lose?

(I also posted about Naruto, but I guess we should concentrate on Bleach...)

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Originally Posted by RyougaZell

DE: yeah but... who likes a character that can't lose?

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On the flip side of that, who likes a character that never wins when it matters?

He doesn't win the fight, but he wins... uhh... the war? He conquers his enemies by making them friends with his speeches.

Yes, and isn't that just....awsome.

Anyway Bleach is still going strong, because of it's animation/Soundtrack/Humor

See Ep 121 you'll have the answer to this thread's question

It is definately still going strong. And despite what anybody else says... the bleach fillers were pretty decent, ep 91 is one of my favorite episodes. The series' is at a point right now where it is just taking off again.