Gundam Seed Destiny Final Plus

I saw this in Tokyo Toshokan, and this is the info i got from AniDB

Torrent: Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny Final Plus (D-CBC 640x480 Divx511).avi

FileSize: 811.21MB

I'll Post what it is about when i get the file. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

EDIT1:
There are new scenes in this epsiode, its a recap plus new scenes + modified ones of Phase 50. The Last 9 minutes or so are the After Phase.

Modified Scene: Athrun goes inside messiah and leaves with Kira, in the original Phase 50, Only Kira was in messiah, athrun was taking a nap somewhere for all i know.

EDIT2:
(Xero_Still_Sux)_Gundam_SEED_D...-_Final_Plus_.mkv 347MB

EDIT3:
(Hiro)_Gundam_SEED_Destiny_-_Final_Plus_(C813BE26).avi 634MB

MUST WATCH IT!!!!!
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This is the Gundam Seed Destiny OVA. Episode 51, if you may. Let there be discussion.

GotWoot Moderator

Synonyms: GSD: Episode 51, Gundam SEED DESTINY 2, Gundam SEED DESTINY FINAL PLUS ~The Chosen Future~

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Oh, that reminds me, the Destiny OVA was supposed to come out on christmas eve! And here it is [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Now, we just need someone to sub it...

heres hoping its good.......

damnnnnn big file

it's about time!

40 minutes, 800 MB. I thought this episode would come out in February. Ns Christmas Gift [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img].

this is downloading really slow is it just me?

it hasnt been out that long, plus today is 24, not much ppl on the internet. At the current speed, i will have it in around 3 to 4 hours.

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damnnnnn big file

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Yeah. I hope the subbers will compress it to cd size.

Edit: forgot the quote =_=

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img], I Just watched a preview of the file, the first 37 minutes are recaps of Phase 49 and Phase 50, the remaining 10 minutes is the After Phase. FUKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would be an utter disaapointment. So much for Episode 51. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

Damit this sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

I Know, but at least the 10 minutes we havent watched are better than the 5 minutes GS After Phase had.

Something is better than nothing.

EDIT: I Finally watched the extra minutes. So-So. Lacus Dress or Kimono is beautiful, like the black one, but longer.

So whats new in the 10 mins? What happens to the 3 of them?

Forget what i said earlier. I hope the fansubbers remove the recaps and release only the after phase[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

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No, seriously. I can't even bring myself to screaming insults at Fukuda and his cronies for STILL doing this to us, the fans. Flashbacks, flashbacks, flashbacks...

No, I'll let the dots above do the work. Because there are simply no words for how angry I am right now.

Here's the spoiler from a Gunpla forums
Mechapinoy.com

Edit I think Final plus is a "fix" of phase 49 and 50 plus the after phase.

this is so messed up

What do you mean "fix"?

Lol. I did'nt mean in the story but in the choregraphy. Remember when SFreedom is barrel rooling to evade lasers, It was Freedom doing the stunts. In Final Plus it was fixed.

Someone just summarize this shit so I don't have to download it.

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Someone just summarize this shit so I don't have to download it.

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No chance Terra, it is your duty as true Gundam fan to bear this pain of flashbacks [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

There better be at least one Yzak scene in it, then.

... I love Gundam... but once I heard that Lacus is in the new 10 minute part I decided to skip the long DL. Episodes 49 and 50 are the only GSD episodes that survived my purge of crappy anime (also the Battle of Crete, and Episodes 1 and 8 are still there).

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Here's the spoiler from a Gunpla forums
Mechapinoy.com

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You need a login to get to that spoiler... And, I'm feeling might lazy right now...

Nope, not DLing this monster. Sick of Fukuda and the travesty that is GSD. Space on hard drive must be kept for decent anime.

I Dont know if u watched it already Terra, but yes, Izak has screen time, but he doesnt talk.

Couples:
Athrun and Meyring
Kira and Lacus
Shinn and Lunamaria

It looks like Lacus is given the position of Chairwoman of PLANT and Cagalli continues being Orb's Representative.

Athrun Introduces Kira to Shinn as Freedom's Pilot. And maybe I'll post some screenshots in a while. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

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I Hope this is of Use to you Terra [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img].

I will give them credit for trying to make ending of GSD a little better.
As unortodox it might sound, i am starting to feel that GSD might be saved by ... compilation movies
If they cut out those flashbacks, insert new animation to explain story it will save Destiny.
It won't make it a perfect Gundam show, no. But it will turn flawed Gundam series into something a bit more enjoyable. Provided that someone else directs and writes scripts...
We can always hope

the new opening, playing to "vestige"

Final Plus:

Screencaps shown here are for footage not seen in Phase 50. There's enough new scenes to make a separate episode.

Seems like they redubbed the dialogue. Each character's delivery is different from Phase 50, and it's more obvious when Shinn and Rey cried. The voices of some of the grunts making announcements in the background were changed. They even changed some of the lines. Some of the flashback in Phase 50 that were done in toned down colors are now in full color.

There's a lot more battle scenes, between the Gundams, the grunt suits, and ships. Messiah's shield now covers the top and bottom sides, compared to Phase 50 where they were open. There's new, non-stock footage of Archangel, Eternal, and Minerva attacking and evading throughout.

Destiny throws its boomerangs at Freedom, which dives to evade. Freedom fires its combined rifle at Destiny. Legend launches its DRAGOONs at Freedom, and Kira gets a Newtype flash, just in time to deflect the shots with both of his beam shields. Justice fires all of its beam guns at Legend. Athrun asks for an update from the Orb fleet. ZAFT suits converge on Archangel, but they're all shot down by Akatsuki's DRAGOONs. We see Orb and EA suits duking it out with ZAFT. Impulse and a squadron of ZAKUs attack the Eternal, but the Dom Troopers annihilate the ZAKUs. When Kira orders the Archangel and Justice to head for Requiem, his dialogue is longer, and he ends it with "That's an order". We also see reactions from the Clyne faction.

As Athrun heads for Requiem, he encounters a couple of ZAKUs. Justice does a Freedom by flying fast between the suits and chopping their heads off.

When Lacus senses Kira in distress, she hasn't gone SEED yet. There's also more intese DRAGOON action between Freedom and Legend.

We see all three Izumo class ships fire broadsides at Nazcas. They then show the second relay station being positioned to where the first one used to be.

There's a long scene of Dullindal contemplating on why his plan is best for humanity while being taunted by a phantom Rau.

In Phase 50, they used stock footage of the old X10A Freedom evading a barrage from Legend. This time they correctly used Strike Freedom.

They showed the lead Dom Trooper getting its leg blasted off, and they showed Dearka's ZAKU take a hit to the shoulder.

Murusames strafe the shield protecting Requiem, to no avail. Then, all three Izumo class ships fire their Lohengrins at the shield, also in vain.

When Shinn gets defeated by Athrun, his astral form flies off from Destiny's wreckage.

Three Murusame pilots, probably the ones who defeated Chaos, engage and defeat three GOUFs.

We see Murrue actually give the order to do a barrel roll to defeat the Minerva. After Minerva is shot, Athrun has a flashback of Talia before he rams his subflight lifter at the Minerva's engines.

Messiah's shield was actually deployed when Kira's METEOR attacked. But one swipe from Kira's ginormous beam saber destroyed both the shield and the ring projecting it. We see Dullindal enraged when Kira and the Eternal make short work of the Messiah. And this time, we hear the screams of Messiah's crew as the command center explodes around Dullindal.

The biggest change: Athrun goes after Kira inside Messiah. He lands right next to Freedom, and he encounters a guard who tried to mow him down with gunfire.

After being swayed by Kira's speech, we see from Rey's point of view how his gunsights are centering on Dullindal.

Athrun arrives just as Kira and Dullidal were about to fire at each other. After Dullindal is shot, Athrun walks in and becomes part of the scene.

Before Rey goes to the Great Blue Yonder, he sees a fading vision of Rau.

We see an escape pod from Minerva, with most of the known crew aboard. Missing is Youlan, the dark-skinned mechanic. His partner Vino is seen crying and clutching something.

After the Messiah crashes, Lacus asks Meyrin to open a channel to the Gondwana. Lacus makes a speech, yadda-yadda, and soon all ships in the area begin firing their recall/withdraw flares.

As Freedom and Justice speed off to the Eternal, Athrun looks down on the moon and breaks off. He lands in front of Shinn and Luna, and he extends Justice's hand towards them.

Later, PLANT and Orb mend ties, and the Archangel and the Eternal arrive at PLANT. Shiho and Yzak flank Lacus on the bridge of the Eternal.

Athrun, Meyrin, Luna and Shinn visit the memorial on Ongoro Island. Kira and Lacus joins them, and Athrun introduces Kira as Freedom's pilot to a shocked Shinn. Kira extends his hand to Shinn. Shinn grasps it, and then tears fall from his eyes when he realizes that he already met Kira on the same memorial before. Three couples part separately as the credits roll: Athrun and Meyrin, Kira and Lacus, and Shinn and Luna.

After the credits roll, we see Cagalli leading the Ord Emirs to a meeting. We also see Lacus, escorted by Yzak and another ZAFT officer, march into a large room full of ZAFT personnel. She's either PLANT's new Defense Committee Chair or she went to a Clyne Faction meeting....

Damn @GadGuard, u r freaking right, there are new scenes, i better watch it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]. THX.

EDIT: Kira Finally uses his authority and gives an order to Marrue-San and Athrun around 09:50.

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I Hope this is of Use to you Terra [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

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I'd think so [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

There are a lot of added scenes. This isn't really a recap episode, instead, it's more like an 'improved' remake of episdoe 50. Too bad it's not subbed yet, because I don't understand a lot of what they are saying.

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I Dont know if u watched it already Terra, but yes, Izak has screen time, but he doesnt talk.

Couples:
Athrun and Meyring



OMFG, WTF FUCKING HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU GSD!

i read this from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...Seed_Destiny#Criticism

Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny has been criticized by a number of people for being far too liberal in its homages to Zeta Gundam's storyline, endless uses of recycled animation (without the correct mobile suits being substituted in some cases), and the gradual "shafting" of the new ZAFT characters and complete elimination of the Earth Alliance characters in favor of the old cast in order to address perceived fan demand. Ironically, there has also been criticism of the old cast's portrayal, as some fans feel they were reduced to dull caricatures, lacking many of the traits that made them popular in the first place.

The "overpowered" one-sidedness of many fights has also suffered frequent complaints, causing the series to suffer from unrealistic shifts in warfare believability in all but a few cases which created a distinct contrast to the battle choreography from the first series. This is particularly evident during the last battle, as Kira's Strike Freedom and Athrun's Infinite Justice remain almost untouched, while Shinn's Destiny and Rey's Legend are almost completely trashed. Another evidence of the "one-sidedness" is the "downpower" of Destroy Gundam. While the original Destroy destroyed half of Berlin and annihilated at least two major ZAFT task forces before being defeated with great difficulty by the combined efforts of Kira and Shinn, the five Destroy units defending Heaven's Base and the three defending the Daedalus lunar base are trashed in short order as if they're grunt MS.

Much criticism is concentrated at director Mitsuo Fukuda for giving his wife, Chiaki Morosawa, too much creative control with the script, and caving into fan demand too easily, resulting in rocky and inconsistent storytelling. Animation director Yousuke Kabashima also critized Morosawa in his blog, for shifting the storyline on the fly and habitually turning in scripts late, and also implied that she only had her job as chief writer because she was Fukuda's wife (a suggestion echoed by many fans). Morosawa has also received heavy criticism from fans for abruptly writing Cagalli, previously a very important character, out of the story and ending her relationship with Athrun with no on-screen explanation and little reaction by any of the characters. This criticism was exacerbated by a post-series interview in which she gave explanations that many fans felt to be dubious at best. A target of particular scorn is her assertion that Athrun would need to be the leader of his own nation for their romance to resume, even though logically that would make a relationship more difficult (nations inherently have differing agendas, making a romance between their leaders an obvious conflict of interest). Further angering fans, she has also suggested that the near-last minute relationship formed between Shinn and Lunamaria under questionable circumstances is the truest form of romance seen in the show.

In terms of mecha, focus was placed on newer units such as Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice, and Legend Gundams which are often cited as being little more than upgrades of their respective counterparts in the original Gundam SEED (Freedom, Justice, Providence) used as an excuse to reuse old animations. Other main units also prove to be derivative of old designs. For example, ZAKU series, GOUF Ignited and DOM Trooper are derivative of MS-06 Zaku II, MS-07 Gouf, and MS-09 Dom from the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Also, while the Akatsuki strongly resembles the Hyaku Shiki from Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, it also copies the "Fin Funnel Barrier" used by Amuro's Nu Gundam in Char's Counterattack. Strike Freedom has also been criticized by some as little more than a rehash of Amuro Ray's Hi-Nu Gundam. Impulse is almost identical to Strike in the original Gundam SEED in terms of the Striker packs vs. the Silhouette packs, combined with a core block system very similar to V Gundam from Mobile Suit Victory Gundam. The Destiny itself is known for a "mix" of everything - with its "Hikari no Tsubasa" (Wings of Light) taken from V2 Gundam from Mobile Suit Victory Gundam, the Palm Cannon being a derivative of "Shining Finger" from Mobile Fighter G Gundam; the 'Wings of Light' create afterimages, similar to the Gundam F91's ability when it dispenses built-up heat, from the movie of the same name; the Destiny also has the main weapons of the Sword Strike Gundam/Sword Impulse Gundam, and the Launcher Strike Gundam/Blast Impulse Gundam.

Tensions also exist between long time fans (most of whom favour UC) and the more recent SEED fans, due to the older fans being unhappy with how many past ideas reappear in the series to the point they go far beyond an homage. A common complaint from these older fans is the fact that most of the newly introduced ZAFT units were little more than recycled Zeon suits from the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Their criticism is unsubtantiated on one level: saying that the Impulse is a rip-off of the Strike is like saying Zeta Gundam's RX-178 Gundam Mark II is a rip-off of the original Gundam's RX-78-2 Gundam. In some rare extreme cases, both sides have been known to resort to insults and childish attacks. However, these cases are the exception and most fans can happily accept other's interests for the same courtesy.

Many fans were also disappointed with the ending of Destiny, as two clip shows in the final ten episodes hurt the pacing and led to the final episodes being more rushed then they would have been otherwise. Some have suggested that this ties in with Kabashima's report of Morosawa submitting scripts past their deadlines, and that the clip shows were used not to save money (the usual purpose of such episodes) but to make up for Morosawa's tardiness. Some have also suggested that the excessive number of clip shows (as well as the overuse of recycled animation) was a result of the show's budget being squandered on a total of 4 opening, 4 ending, and 2 insert themes, all by highly-paid musicians, and on hiring famous seiyuu even for minor roles.

Perhaps the largest source of controversy the series has to offer is who, exactly, the protagonist supposed to be. It was made fairly clear from the beginning that Shinn Asuka was supposed to be the main character, with Athrun Zala playing a large supporting role. However some feel the inclusion of Kira Yamato and members of the old Archangel crew from Gundam SEED limited the character development that Shinn and Athrun should have seen in an attempt to balance the series between three characters. Despite claims by the director, some fans treat his comments as nonsense (as they treated the comments by the writer on romance), especially since it was clear near the end that Kira was portrayed as the good guy (despite his alleged "straying from justice") while Shinn was portrayed as someone who had become a frantic (despite claim of his status as the protagonist) for a wrong causes (due to the villianous portrayal of Durandal). Some fans feel that it is due to this division of attention that Shinn Asuka's character did not dramatically change. Many feel this is in poor contrast to previous Gundam protagonists such as Amuro Ray and Kamille Bidan, who were solo protagonists that started as less than desirable characters but matured into better people as their stories progressed.

Oops sorry. I forgot that the forums allow only members.
Thanks to Gadguard for posting it anyways.

yeah, i broke down and Downloaded it... Oh, trust me, it's been deleted now that i've watched it...
I'm going to gollow Gadguard's posts, since that's such an excellent breakdown of the Final Plus.

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Messiah's shield was actually deployed when Kira's METEOR attacked. But one swipe from Kira's ginormous beam saber destroyed both the shield and the ring projecting it. We see Dullindal enraged when Kira and the Eternal make short work of the Messiah. And this time, we hear the screams of Messiah's crew as the command center explodes around Dullindal.

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boo, another reason to hate Kira. What kind of defense shield can't take on a friggin Beam Saber?!?! Overpowered protagonist makes the bad guy's cool-looking fortress like like a bunch of TinkerToys...

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The biggest change: Athrun goes after Kira inside Messiah. He lands right next to Freedom, and he encounters a guard who tried to mow him down with gunfire.

Athrun arrives just as Kira and Dullidal were about to fire at each other. After Dullindal is shot, Athrun walks in and becomes part of the scene.

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I thought this was sorta weird. ...Wasn't Athrun supposed to be taking down the Requiem base on the moon? Guess he made pretty good time, destroying it and getting back to support Kira...

It sorta sucks that Dullindal and Athrun never get any more dialogue towards the end of GSD. I always thought their conversations, especially earlier in the series, were some good exchanges. Why have Athrun there at all?

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Originally posted by: Gadguard
We see an escape pod from Minerva, with most of the known crew aboard. Missing is Youlan, the dark-skinned mechanic. His partner Vino is seen crying and clutching something.

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This is what really really really pissed me off about the Final Plus. As if they could have made the victory any more lopsided (tons of ZAFT casualties, NO Lacus Faction casualities AT ALL!) they went and did... And they did it by killing (i'm assuming he's dead and Vino was clutching some remaining garmant of Youlan's or something like that) one of the nicest new characters in Destiny. The poor guy wasn't even a MS pilot!

I loved those two (i'm a sucker for non-important side characters, especially non-combatants) and they always cracked me up or gave a real good idea of what an average ZAFT person might think about the events in the show.

If Youlan died that is another reason that I cannot ever forgive the Lacus and the ArchAngel. Death to the Lacus Faction!

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Athrun, Meyrin, Luna and Shinn visit the memorial on Ongoro Island. Kira and Lacus joins them, and Athrun introduces Kira as Freedom's pilot to a shocked Shinn. Kira extends his hand to Shinn. Shinn grasps it, and then tears fall from his eyes when he realizes that he already met Kira on the same memorial before. Three couples part separately as the credits roll: Athrun and Meyrin, Kira and Lacus, and Shinn and Luna.

After the credits roll, we see Cagalli leading the Ord Emirs to a meeting. We also see Lacus, escorted by Yzak and another ZAFT officer, march into a large room full of ZAFT personnel. She's either PLANT's new Defense Committee Chair or she went to a Clyne Faction meeting....

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crappy additional scenes... seriously. I always thought that initial meeting between Kira and Shinn was a setup for some sappy thing like this, and after thinking I was wrong (as it wasn't in GSD at all) they go and throw it into the Final Plus...

They gave Lacus serious political power... Guess that means we're going to have to count on the EAF to make trouble in the 3rd SEED series. Ms. Goody-twoShoes is so fucking infallible and perfect... makes me sick...

i am filled with rage.

saiyaman's version is out too, it's only 387mb
here

I wonder when the subbers are going to sub this.

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Originally posted by: SFreedomZGMFx20a
I Dont know if u watched it already Terra, but yes, Izak has screen time, but he doesnt talk.

Couples:
Athrun and Meyring
Kira and Lacus
Shinn and Lunamaria

It looks like Lacus is given the position of Chairwoman of PLANT and Cagalli continues being Orb's Representative.

Athrun Introduces Kira to Shinn as Freedom's Pilot. And maybe I'll post some screenshots in a while. [img][/img]

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seriously, nice screenshots, after looking at those, it makes me wonder..so i'm going to download it..

How can you guys miss this screenshot?

Kira and Lacus

Lacus is annoying.. but she is some nice eye candy [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Most revealing scene of Lacus ever! Now we know Lacus is really a horny bitch despite all the rightous crap she says

i have things that can back that up, but i'd probably get warned for it..

edit:okay, after watching this piece of shit, the sad thing is that the opening was the best part..

SO gay Mwu and Maryue didn't really do shit

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I wonder when the subbers are going to sub this.

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I went to Hiro's irc channel. They said its already in the works and will release it ASAP. The raw they got is around 500mb they said

The opening was shit, the music, once again, wasnt meant to be played along that video.

Does anyone knows if H2 &T2 have started or will sub it ???

What a bunch of BS...I mean for Kira and Shinn just to shake hands and act like nothing happened. Gundam Seed never should have had a sequel, it just messed up what could have been one of the greatest series to the Gundam Collection....

(Xero_Still_Sux)_Gundam_SEED_D...-_Final_Plus_.mkv 347MB

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well, i guess i can say, i enjoyed the short appearence of shino. after all this, no one has changed, not kira, not lacus, no one. on second note, shinn has got a -2 points after watching this.

I'm guessing Cagalli and Athuran never got back together after all.

Yep, unfortunately GSD ended completely messed up. I hope Fukuda doesnt get hired to do another anime, not just a GUNDAM one, none.

(Hiro)_Gundam_SEED_Destiny_-_Final_Plus_(C813BE26).avi 634MB

god that's hella big!! i think i'm going to just dl zero sux's version

Yeah. Neary 2x bigger than Xero's. But ill Dl this cuz i cant get to Xeros's irc channel XD

I prefer Hiro over Xero because i dont like the MKV format, i prefer the old and reliable AVI format [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]. But since i have already downloaded the Xero fansub, i will have to wait for SEED-Fansubs [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].

BTW: This file should be called:
Gundam Seed Destiny - Final Phase Plus Plus

First plus for the new and modified scenes, and the second for the After Phase.

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Originally posted by: Gadguard
Much criticism is concentrated at director Mitsuo Fukuda for giving his wife, Chiaki Morosawa, too much creative control with the script, and caving into fan demand too easily, resulting in rocky and inconsistent storytelling. Animation director Yousuke Kabashima also critized Morosawa in his blog, for shifting the storyline on the fly and habitually turning in scripts late, and also implied that she only had her job as chief writer because she was Fukuda's wife (a suggestion echoed by many fans). Morosawa has also received heavy criticism from fans for abruptly writing Cagalli, previously a very important character, out of the story and ending her relationship with Athrun with no on-screen explanation and little reaction by any of the characters. This criticism was exacerbated by a post-series interview in which she gave explanations that many fans felt to be dubious at best. A target of particular scorn is her assertion that Athrun would need to be the leader of his own nation for their romance to resume, even though logically that would make a relationship more difficult (nations inherently have differing agendas, making a romance between their leaders an obvious conflict of interest). Further angering fans, she has also suggested that the near-last minute relationship formed between Shinn and Lunamaria under questionable circumstances is the truest form of romance seen in the show.

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The plot thickens. Bloody women!

This epilogue thingy is lame, lame and predictable. Also quite lame.
Blood should flow for getting my hopes up.

And no, not even Yzak's ass redeems it.

I can't believe it took the whole fucking series and an added epilogue for Shinn & Kira to finally meet.

ARGH.

WOW...... that had to have been the worst bunch of crap i have ever seen aside from the opening being half decent it was still a major let down. The thought of a 3rd series is scary no its terrifing...

I'm really surprized by the large amount of hatred for this actually as I didn't mind it and felt it definatly improved on a otherwise horrible ending.

I enjoyed all of the extended scenes and where they simply made Shinn and Rey look a bit more competant in my eye's.

I did HATE Athrun going to Messaiah for no reason and considering his flier was destroyed in record time. This added nothing and really just hurt the scene.

I also hated the last part although its required if Shinn is expected to be a good guy in any 3rd series. He ended with no growth and simply sitting enraged on the moon. Athrun picking him and Lunamaria up was acceptable to me.

In the end it brought a horrible ending upto a mediocre one for me atleast.

Oh and Deaka and Yzak actually getting a bit of screen time was welcome if not otherwise pointless.

Just watched this after waiting a day for it to download.

HOLY CRAP!! This was pure crap. Granted it was a little better than the real ending, but it was still bad. I'm hope the next one, if it will really come, will be good.

i thought it was pretty good, the added-on scenes improved the episode by alot compared to the original episodes and the ending where they're at the memorial was pretty good too

I've just watched GSD the special one and it was SO HORRIBLE!!

since I'm a fan of Athuran X Cagalli relationship I was really upset about how it ended up in the special one they didn't mention why Cagalli take off the ring and what if Athuran will end up to be by her side what is frustrating me more is that at the end they let all the couples walk in a different ways so kira with lacus ,Shin with lunamaria but Athuran ended up with Meyring ?????? what's that mean?????
but Athuran hugged Cagalli at the began of the special that was a farewell hug???????? noooooooooooooooooo!! >_< someone please explain this hell to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


they didn't change anything from episode 50 just some adding scenes and it was for me useless.

yeah....a lousy ending [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

no strip scene between shinn and luna..thats sad... LOL

They should all get together and have an 8-some

what are you people talking about?! just the ladies..lol..!^.^

Watching this reminded me of why I stopped liking Destiny. Steller's message seemed even more cryptic this time around and I still find Rey's betrayal stupid. This has got to be the first Gundam series I didn't like.

*Edit* I still hate Lacus.

This is crap. That is all. Carry on.

I liked this more beacuse it actually made the battle feel a little more like a battle by including orb suits. In the original, it just seemed like Archangel and Eternal vs the whole ZAFT fleet.

Of course....Kira missed his true calling, he should be a damn poet, with all the vague lines he spouts out......

I'm really sick of those repeated flash backs by now. Any more and I'll never rewatch any Destiny episodes again. I don't see how this additional episode can tie up all the loose ends left in the original episode, but at least there's some new animation that's worth taking a look.

yah me too.. i even deleted the episodes now.. and yes, rey's betrayal was wierd and lame..

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Of course....Kira missed his true calling, he should be a damn poet, with all the vague lines he spouts out......

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Hell No!! A true poet is actually deep and has meaning to his/her poetry.
Kira is just shallow and makes no sense. Hence his true calling would be a rambling idiot in that regard

Can someone rip the shitty after phase and put it up on yousendit or some other hosting site so i can get it without downloading the big ass monster file?

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wait...how can that be a couple?! They arent even standing side by side. Athrun is like "Yo Bitch walk behind, I don't know you that well." Still a chance of Athrun and Cagalli [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]


and that shit was so crap. Cant believe i downloaded the 600mb one. Wasted my time. And the last 10mins was shit. Shinn is still crying [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img]

i dunno, i think she was just walking with him, because athrun was lonely, plus, the fact that she'd be a third wheel to everyone else. cagalli should be more busy with other things like taking care of her damn country..

I finally took the time to watch this and I was very pleasantly surprised. Yes, you heard right.
I enjoyed all the new scenes. More Yzak, more DOM troopers and everything else at the end - and the small effects, such as added dramatic echoes and whatnot. And not to forget: Athrun went along with Kira during the confrontation with Gil, just as it should be. That made the ending feel a little bit less gay for Kira. Though it looked funny when everybody held their guns up at the same time [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

They also removed the lame Mwu-saves-the-ship-again scene, thus preserving it's coolness from the original Seed.
I enjoyed the cameos of old Seed characters during the ending, too.

Overall, much better than I thought really.

The best part was of course the new opening though. Vestige as an opening song = gold. It also featured Heine & Yzak [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
That alone made it worth downloading.

ladies and gentlemen..terra has officially lost it..XD

just playing..^.^

Of course, my post is just in context to what the special actually is. I rated the new features, not the original content - which now, just as then, blows [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

I like how Arthrun was "green screened" in (watch it, it seriously looks like that) and stood there looking like a retard in all of the scenes while the rest of them continued the same dialogue as the first version, set aside Kira saying, "Arthrun..." I still don't get why they included him at all in that part...

lol, this ending was actually better than the entire series i think [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]. i didnt see many recycled scenes, and even the words are different. and i agree with terra, vestige in the beginning was awesome. and wow. the two world powers are lead by two hawt women [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Finally decided to finish up the series, I had stopped at episode 24...

Don't see why many of you have a lot of problems with this series, it was more of the same SEED we've seen in the past... Really liked how most the characters just ended up being pathetic at the end...

I wished we could've seen more of the relationship of Cagalli and Athrun...

I'm sure in the third series they won't put kira on since everybody bitched a lot about it. get over it man the guy is super human, why should he loose. would u if u were him? I know it sounds weird but think about it. If kira was weak everybody would of been like why the hell he looses all the time, they screwed his characther, he supposed to be the ultimate coordinator. I loved the gundams, and I agree with those people who said destroyers were so easy to beat.
the other thing I hate about this is that they really f***ed up the relationship between cagalli and athrun. wut the hell is that about.

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the other thing I hate about this is that they really f***ed up the relationship between cagalli and athrun. wut the hell is that about.

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that was the doing of fukuda's wife, that freakin bitch was the script writer and fucked everything up

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I will bet the bank, right now, all of it, that Kira will be the main character / most powerful character in the 3rd Gundam SEED series by the time it ends.

Lacus Clyne does not count. She is not a character, she is a deus ex machina, a plot device. She is there strictly as a medium to spout nonsensical philisophical garbage and get the characters motivated. She is also eye candy.

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get over it man the guy is super human, why should he loose. would u if u were him? I know it sounds weird but think about it. If kira was weak everybody would of been like why the hell he looses all the time, they screwed his characther

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No. I disagree entirely.

Kira Yamato has become super-human. That is exactly the problem with his character. People loved the Kira from the first SEED series. Alot of that was due to the fact that he had lots of flaws, had plenty of defeats, albeit not all on the battlefield. Kira in the beginning of SEED was sort of a weakling, he had plenty of flaws throughout the show. Even at the end he couldn't save everyone he wanted to. He was super, but he wasn't perfect. And viewers loved him for those flaws, for being human, that's what you really can relate to in a persona.

Kira's one defeat in SEED Destiny was handled poorly, very poorly. There were almost 0 negative repurcussions. He got a new, even better, MS almost immediatly. He never had any doubts about his actions during that battle. His body quickly recovered from a blow that would have killed any other MS pilot in the blink of an eye. He never worried about or feared the person that beat him, not once. None of his allies or loved ones were negatively affected by that battle (Athrun being the exception, but duh, that was another plot device guys). That one defeat was for cheap shock value on viewers, that was its only worth. Hell, Kira didn't even get the anime typical "I was defeated. Now I must try to grow stronger so next time I will win" cliche treatment!

So, no, you are 180 degrees away from the truth. What screwed Kira's character was that he was too strong, too powerful, too righteous. Noone is like that, not a single human soul can relate to that.

On a slightly different note, the one thing I still get from watching the Final Plus episode is how utterly useless most weaponry has become in the SEED series. Bullets and explosivers were nullified by Phase Shift armor long ago. Now Gundams can not only block but REFLECT beam attacks back onto the enemy! That really only leaves Sabres and melee weapons as the only means of attacking a Gundam. Anyone else feel like the writers and MS developers have backed themselves into a corner with that?

hmm for some reason hiro nor the other guys dl works on my computer it opens up in realplayer then says that it doesnt support this content :/ can anyone help me out with that

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hmm for some reason hiro nor the other guys dl works on my computer it opens up in realplayer then says that it doesnt support this content :/ can anyone help me out with that

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try looking on the Hiro website or through some of the threads in the Anime Support part of the forums here.
... though looking at the date of your post I hoped you've figured this out already...

Haro2Tori2 has released their version of the Final Plus, if anyone actually gives a shit... (cuz I don't. this is just a part of my massive posting spree that is venting all of the stuff I wanted to post over the past 2 days when the forums were down...)
Haro2 Tori2 - Gundam SEED Destiny Final Plus

Thanks, now my haro tori collection will be finished. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Two thumbs up for the opening and the fact that Heine was in it. Dullindals added scenes were also good.

Two thumbs down for everything else. Especially how they trashed Shinn and made him into a complete and utter joke. As if Yzak and Rey wasn't enough.

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That's actually brilliant. Shinn is a pussy, and ended up being a pathetic pussy. Simply brilliant.