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You beat me to it... This must be the most anticipated episode yet! Can't wait to see it. I bet everybody'll watch this RAW. I'm too anxious to wait till tomorrow for a sub.
sob.. i want to be the frst one to post about this anticipated episode!!! ill be on standby for the sub version![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
This is a discussion thread, right ? then why don't you guys discuss abaout the epi ? and please start making threads when you have seen the epi...because this is getting childish...
As if, Im gonna download both myself...Hopefully it lays to rest all the debate as to what happens between Kira and Shinn
I saw the ep
SPOILER
and Shin won because of his suit
he sacrifised a lot of his parts to ateck and used the fact that Kira does not kill to his advantage
and even than he only won because Kira got distracted at the last minute and Shin hit the NUKLEAR GENORATOR (wondering how Kira is going to survive that)
END OF SPOILER
the best ep ever
well this episode was good for action but Kira gettintaken out by Shinn was a disapointment all though Impulse/sword slpender is no more so new units on next ep for athrun and shinn. Kira is MIA with his freedom completely destroyd mainly because Kira had is mind else where (AA being attacked by minerva and all the ZAFT forces etc) and the surprise of Impulse being multi core and beein able to disasemble at any give time was a surprise for Kira (Minerva used some kind of electronic jammer so AA couldnt detect impulse's mutil cores giving the edge to shinn) all in all i cant wait to see them fight on a one on one with the 2 pilots fully concentrated (Kira was just evading shinn) on da battle it was a draw more or less favoring shinn cause is G was less damaged.
some other forum already has a thread about it and pictures about ep (wont mention forum name, not sure if it's part of the rules not to mention about other forums' names) eh eh he
but it's good to know kira lost coz he got distracted. that was my hunch how he will lose the battle. ill wait for the subbed version though. dont want to waste my bandwidth downloading the raw first then the subbed next.
i just wondered why kira slashed impulse's head instead of the cockpit. was it because he doesnt really want to kill? shinn already had his mind set on destroying freedom (and killing its pilot) so i hope when kira gets his new mobile suit, theyll have an episode of him returning the favor and i dont want it to be the last episode as i want to see shinn's ego deflated. better yet.. him killed.. he he he
I want to see that to and Kira doesn't want to kill anyone
I'd say something but then my voice would drown under the massive anti-Shinn crowd. So...I'm DLing the raw for once and will watch it.
But for real...you guys gotta give in to the word "change". Kira won't always be there. Hell, he may die before this is over. Now are you gonna just piss ur pants if that happens and cry? Or will you adapt to change??? for christs sake
-kingg, leader of teh pro-Shinn's
I will deal with it and make it my life purpose to build a working Strike-Freedom and whipe out the people responsible or sell the technologie and pay for a thired gundam seed serie were Kira comes back I still need to deside which one
Edit: I think I will build a Strike-Freedom anyway *manical laughter*
Definitly one of the best eps ive seen, And One all the Shinn fans will enjoy greatly while the Kira fans will go it was good but if wasnt the best so far etc etc
***Spoilers***
Also there is now proof that Shinn is at least as good as Kira. I'll concede that Shinn was Seed and Kira wasnt but Kira got absolutly owned in portions of the ep specially when Shinn Split the impulse in 2 and also when he used the Core splendor as a plane and rammed Freedom. Also Notice how much damage Impulse had done to it before Shinn suicided on Kira with the Ship Sword...I take it the explosion at the end was the N jammer Cancellor exploding cause that was a big explosion...
Did it remind anybody about a Certain Seed Ep where Athrun and Kira Fought and people thought Kira died...
Mostly though id like to know when Kira and Shinn met once, When Murrue and Talia met once and what Talia and Athrun argued about. Anybody know?
This battle was bull. I am sorry. Shinn didn't get a real win out of Kira. Kira was concerned with the AA the entire time. I hope that when Shinn returns Asuran graps him and kicks his ass cause I am literally pissed. I will give Shinn some props for skill in at least two parts but thats all. Kira was barely paying attention to Shinn the entire time. I hate Rey for telling Shinn where Kira would hit him.
Edit: You know what, I am not pissed about this. Because of Shinn's hastefullness in getting revenge Kira is going to get the next strongest gundam of the next generation of GSD mobile suits.
Shinn met both Kira and Lacus in one of the earlier episodes by the ORB memorial located on the beach. Kira was still a hippie then so it has to be before ep 16.Quote:
Originally posted by: LokeXero
Mostly though id like to know when Kira and Shinn met once
You know now that Asuran thinks that Kira is dead I wonder what crazy thing he will do now. We saw what happened when Nicol died and Nicol was just a good friend. Kira, though, is like a brother to Asuran. Heck, if he marries Cagalli then they will be brothers. But anyways, Nicol was just a friend and look how far Asuran went to avenge him. Since Kira and Asuran are basically family I have got some advice for Shinn. Don't be alone.
as much as i hate shinn, i still give him good reviews for this fight. im not calling him a cheat/cheapass etc etc because the dividing thing is an ability of impulse! its like calling freedom cheap because it has 5 guns and can aim and destroy multiple suits at once, but its freedom's ability! so it isnt cheap.
However im still not giving shinn credit much (except for his piloting skills) because it was all rey's plan/tacticts/stradegy (maybe?).
Although I am an avid hater of Shinn, I would like to give him his applause for this battle. The utilization of each part to use as various attacks was something I never really fathomed. But with all that comes consequences. Imuplse was heavily damaged. Kira on the other part, as many have said, wasn't completely focused, hence the attack on AA, etc.
Otherwise, great episode. I was greatly awaiting it, and was not disappointed. I wonder what Athrun is gonna do now ... and I'm guessing Kira isn't dead ... kinda like GS all over again ... LoL maybe Mia is gonna find him this time LoL ...
Just my 2 cents.
Ok, watched this ep RAW, which is a first for me. Of course, my head ached over the dialogue missed, especially the Talia/Athrun argument and the Mirrue/Talia communication. Of course, the action is what I wanted. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
As for THAT......yes, yes, YES!! What a nice fight and I'm happy, knowing that Kira wasn't 100%. Because then, there'll be an even BIGGER fight coming our way soon, with Destiny vs. Strike Freedom. When it comes to crediting Shinn for the win? Well......I'm not so sure.
Pros:
Ultimate utilization of the Impulse. Lovely, lovely.
Emotion was high and with it, came a grand piloting performance from Shinn.
Kira wasn't pwned, not so much that he can be completely defended.
Cons:
Shinn wasn't alone (Rey's strategy, Meyrin's deployments, etc)
Kira was distracted and not 100%. I freely admit that.
I didn't think that Freedom would explode like that. That surprised me and my mind screamed his name just as Athrun did, lol. One thing I raised my eyebrow at was how Shinn was when it was over. Methinks he's finally snapped.
Can't wait for the sub!! ^_^ *prays Cellphone^2 releases their's before I leave for work*
As much as i am a shinn fanboy i have to say that i was expecting something more from this fight,shinn is going to the dark side of the force,someone has to give him a good lesson,the way he expressed his happines at the end of the ep that he destroyed freedom.
he was happy about avenging stellars death, not just about defeating freedom
but overall excellent ep and kickass fighting
Kind of glad Shinn didn't know that Freedom's cockpit is in its chest and not the torso... but then again, Kira was just sitting five feet above a nuclear explosion. I wanna see how they explain this one, if Kira survives.
dont you guys find it odd
out of all the times when kira's life was in danger... he didn't go in seed mode this time...
oh yeh.. i think kira did went for the kill.. he went for a slash at impulses body.. but it disembles.. if it dind't disemble dont you think thats the end of shin?
Nah Kira wouldnt destroy his no kill policy for a fag like shinn.
this phase still has no suprise....
they gotta find a lame way to kill off freedom so they can release strike freedom and it's models....
nothing suprising..
WHAT A GREAT FCKIN EPISODE...though I didn't understand shit -_- (only word i understood was demo - but lol)
The fight was great and funny as fuck...kira was easily avoiding shinn just to hear what the archangle/minerva are yapping about...so funnyyyyyy
So basic summary of a fight:
Shinn after researching freedom, getting into seed mode, and continously switching equipment > Kira not in seed mode
We all knew kira's puny ass shield wont block that big ass sword sillouhette thingy so it was easy to determine the end of the fight lol
well kira didnt go for the kill.Quote:
Originally posted by: k_truong
dont you guys find it odd
out of all the times when kira's life was in danger... he didn't go in seed mode this time...
oh yeh.. i think kira did went for the kill.. he went for a slash at impulses body.. but it disembles.. if it dind't disemble dont you think thats the end of shin?
if you recall in seed when he first uses freedom on earth, he used the same move against Yzak and cut him across the waist (where impulse disassembled) and the cockpit is in the chest foo'.
and ptx...CRY? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by: antoine
WHAT A GREAT FCKIN EPISODE...though I didn't understand shit -_- (only word i understood was demo - but lol)
The fight was great and funny as fuck...kira was easily avoiding shinn just to hear what the archangle/minerva are yapping about...so funnyyyyyy
So basic summary of a fight:
Shinn after researching freedom, getting into seed mode, and continously switching equipment > Kira not in seed mode
We all knew kira's puny ass shield wont block that big ass sword sillouhette thingy so it was easy to determine the end of the fight lol
well kira didnt go for the kill.Quote:
Originally posted by: k_truong
dont you guys find it odd
out of all the times when kira's life was in danger... he didn't go in seed mode this time...
oh yeh.. i think kira did went for the kill.. he went for a slash at impulses body.. but it disembles.. if it dind't disemble dont you think thats the end of shin?
if you recall in seed when he first uses freedom on earth, he used the same move against Yzak and cut him across the waist (where impulse disassembled) and the cockpit is in the chest foo'.
and ptx...CRY? [img][/img]
huh? what about me crying??????
and kira was in seed mode since the start of the phase(after op)
Sorry, I have not read every post...
But this is What I think...
Shinn is no where close to Kira and will never be.
1. Kira is the "Ultimate" Cordinater, not only because of SEED, He just is as it was explained in GS.
2. Kira was distracted.
3. Kira's vow not to kill, I'm not too good with the Japanese, but as i heard it, Kira doesn't aim for the cockpit or any vital parts because he doesn't want anymore people to die by his hands.
4. Maybe the most vital issue conserning Kira's level of skill is that even if he uses SEED he won't be as emotionally invloved in battle the way he was in GS. Kira doesn't want his mind to become havoc and thus contains himself from crossing that bridge (That goes for Athrun as well which is the reason why Athrun is prepared to take shit from Shinn although Shinn is just a royal ass).
No one could ever match up to Kira of the old days in battle... No one in GSD can match up to Kira's sense of Justice. So what can we draw out of this? The conclusion is that Kira has focused himself upon becoming the most humane person alive who doesn't fall for crap coming from Dulindal or anyone else who claim to fight for justice.
So as a finale, If Kira lives, then he knows that he will have to get more invloved in the battles and he will wreck havoc and Shinn will be unable to catch up to Kira's strength. And if Kira dies, I hope to god that Athrun kills Shinn, give him the most painful death...
Actually (sorry, can't stop typing about this because it's such an important and turning event of this anime) what I think will happen is that when Cagalli returns to Orb, Athrun will stop fighting for ZAFT and return to the AA and with all his heart try to kill Shinn every time they do battle (which will make Shinn understand that Athrun is the real deal in battle).
And as an alternate event to Athrun joining the AA again, they will think Kira is dead for a long time (hopefully a short time) and then he will return with a new Gundam and they will fight together again.
PS.what is the Strike Freedom and have we seen any pictures of it?
Awsome. <3 Shinn. To all you Shinn haters, stop trying to find lame excuses to why Kira lost. It's his fault if he ain't focused, it's feckin COMBAT. Go to bed you carebears.
It's not excuses, it's reasons. It is a fact that Kira had to take care of several suits and missiles launched at AA whilst Shinn had only battle to think about...
The difference between Kira and Shinn is that Kira represents wisdom while Shinn represents idiotism, anger, hate and has a very violent nature. Shinn thinks he is the only person in the world who has been caused great pain due to war.
With people like Shinn there will always be new wars, with people like Kira, those wars will be fought and ended.
PS... again..... Is there any information to who will weild the Strike Freedom or is it still in the dark due to major spoilers?
i think you guys are thinking this story too deep....gsd is just a lame story for selling models and figurse in the first place...so does it matter how or why is freedom destroyed? the whole point of it is they will release strike freedom so they can sell more models..
Uh, I think you are way out of line now minster, I think you need to go to time-out...
(The only ones who will understand me are the ones who have watched the movie "Cannibal the Musical").
Anyways... I can't say for sure, but I think you are being way too cynical. This series has proved to have more depth than most series I have seen.
i can't see any prove at all.....it's so lame that even a 10 year old kid can understand everything..Quote:
Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
Uh, I think you are way out of line now minster, I think you need to go to time-out...
(The only ones who will understand me are the ones who have watched the movie "Cannibal the Musical").
Anyways... I can't say for sure, but I think you are being way too cynical. This series has proved to have more depth than most series I have seen.
nothing is really needed to be think ....no suprises at all....i am totally disappointed by gsd..
the UC series is much better...at least the plots are more normal...you don't see ppl suddently pop out from nowhere when they are suppose to be dead like kira in his phase...honestly...especially i am rewatching turn A recently....i find it's way better than gsd....
if talk about depth...i will say go for eva..it's one of the best anime with actually something that's needed to be think with your brain
another thing about this phrase............let's celebrate that mwu is finally regaining some of his memory...yay~~
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Originally posted by: PTX-003C
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Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
if talk about depth...i will say go for eva..it's one of the best anime with actually something that's needed to be think with your brain
another thing about this phrase............let's celebrate that mwu is finally regaining some of his memory...yay~~
I did watch eva, what of it?
Grave of the Fireflies and Now and then here and there are so much better... Actually, I have seen so much I could puke... Maybe it is just a difference in opinions, because to me, eva was nothing more than my life... and because of that, it was also very easy to understand. Things reminding of my own life just don't cut it.
And not that it is really that much related, The deepest story I have ever seen is Final fantasy 7.
Shinn doesnt need to worry about anyone else. HE is a prick like that. Kira was worrying about everyones safety.
yes, i still do hate shinn...i was laughing my ass off when shinn was crying after sending stellar into the half frozen lake...(reminded me of old kira all over again) and then when stellar's arm was twitching a little i kept hoping she'd survive and try to swim (remember she cant swim) and then shinn sees her drowning he tries to save her but she really dies and then he gets pissed at hismelf and kills himself...
yeah i try.
Strike Freedom is supposed to still be in the dark due to major spoilers, although many people seem to be forgetting that in this thread. If you want to know more, visit the spoilers thread. Otherwise its best not to ask about it or else someone might attempt to enlighten you, and every other person who even sees this thread. -_-;;Quote:
Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
PS... again..... Is there any information to who will weild the Strike Freedom or is it still in the dark due to major spoilers?
Wow dude this was a real lame epi...if it wasn't for the changeble stuff Shinn would owned by kira [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
honestly...did anyone even notice that mwu is regaining his memory?
I can't wait to see the expression on Shinn's face when Kira returns. It should be priceless.
I also noticed Mwu regaining his memory but was to busy pondering what Athrun was gonna do to Shinn and the Minerva if he gets his hands on his new justice before he realizes that Kira and the AA are still there to post about it. Really I think Asuran is gonna lose it. He thinks that both his greatest friend, fiance, etc are all dead. I think he's about to go darkside on everyone or something.
Reminded me a bit of Kira and Asurans fight.
Both going to great lenghts to kill Kira.
Will be interesting to se how Kira survives and
next time Kira and Shinn meets i think they will probably
be on the same side fighting the Logos/Chairman/Evil aliens?
kira is the ultimate coordinator.. shin was just lucky n smart.. if kira was weaker, then the whole GS series was meaningless.. and i hope athrun kills shin too..[img]i/expressions/devil.gif[/img]
First, that huge explosion was the Minerva's Tannahauser.
Second, isn't the nuclear reactor of the freedom in the pelvis?
Third, how the hell did Mwu survive?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! His MS blew up, and his helmet was floating in space. He should be blind, not just some wimpy scars.
hmmm.. i hope they explain how mwu survive.. his ms blew up..
No theres 2 different explosions at the end, 1 is the Tannahauser, the second is freedom blowing up after being lanced with the sword silhouette, which i took to note to be the N jammer...
I havent seen this ep yet, but I heard it was amazing.
here are some pics I got from Animesuki(and if anyone ever wanted to know how the explosion of Justice looked, well this ep is for you:
pics galore
Stupid fucking fight.
I hate this MAIN CHARACTER HAS TO WIN bullshit.
hahah thats what a friend and i have been calling the power of the lead char for years now [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] it goes for games, movies, books, lol almost everything [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Dean 10007 you asked if the nuclear reactor was in the pelvis. i think it's behind the wings/thruster area, but if you shoot a nuclear missle in the air it doesn't have a big nuke explosion, it just blows up. Why didn't he blow up? because it's that cliffhanger they leave you with.
oh and Mwu's Mobile suit head, arms, legs were destroyed but not the central body.
I rarely fully agree with you Mut@chi but this fight was absolutely absurd. First off Kira was in seed mode for the entire fight and while its unknown how long he had been fighting before this particular episode took place this entire fight was just plain stupid.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Stupid fucking fight.
I hate this MAIN CHARACTER HAS TO WIN bullshit.
above and beyond everything else we have the fact that Kira no matter how distracted he was stayed to far away from the ship which is completely uncharacteristic of him. Second the Arch Angel made absolutely no attempt to fight back it has more main cannons then the Minerva by far and yet aside from one shot randomly it used none of them. Even if it was attempting to flee as they were headed for orb there is no reason once it was behind the minerva not to take a shot at there engines before it could turn around.
If that wasn't quite insulting enough we have impulse splitting up with millisecond timing of which we have never seen any hint of in the past. Actually we have seen it take much longer every other time Impulse has ever combined. Yes we can go with Shinn has improved but certain things like Freedom and Impulse fighting behind Minerva yet somehow the flyer units are making it to shinn with no delay before Kira can even remotely react understandably he was realing from the shockwave of the exploting force unit yet the Minerva was engaged in combat facing the complete oposite direction yet its able to launch 2 replacement units before freedom has any ability to react. In addition if random shots were not working with the beam riffle why wouldn't kira shoot all around shinn with the 4 other guns. If you shoot the riffle at the head and the other 4 at the arms and legs there is no way that Shinn would be able to dodge them all with no damage yet Kira could be fairly certain it wouldn't end up killing him. Then continuing to when Shinn split the unit to avoid Kira's beam saber. Having just watched Shinn seperate the unit why on earth would you aim for the torso instead of disarming the unit like he has done in every other case in GSD there is no use in disabling the weaponless leg unit when he's holding a beam saber. Which low and behold while Impulse was split in half was able to completely destroy one of Freedoms wings. on top of that when Shinn shoots the beam riffle Kira acts like he's completely disarmed I do understand he's in the process of fleeing but I see no reason for him not to disable Shinn before doing so its not like he's in any position to aid the AA and even though freedom is submergable instead of dodging kira turns around and takes a sword right through the center.
Kira will live and my guess is he asked Mwu how he survived and used his secret tactic of plot hole [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]. Also please note that if freedom did cause a nuclear blast then there is ZERO chance that the Impulse would survive at about 4 inches from it unless the average beam riffle has more force then a nuclear bomb right in your face.
Overall a abysmal episode that was no better then a clip show considering 75% of the footage was reused from both Seed and GSD. Now that this worthless token episode is out of the way perhaps GSD can take some time to do something orignal and make this series worth watching.
Please note this is after the raw and I am not yet commenting on anything actually said during this episode.
what are you talking about...kira just lost today....Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Stupid fucking fight.
I hate this MAIN CHARACTER HAS TO WIN bullshit.
main characters does lose
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Originally posted by: LordGardenGnome
oh and Mwu's Mobile suit head, arms, legs were destroyed but not the central body.
but mwu's helmet was in space, its clear that he shud be dead, we can't live in space without suits ryt?
kira was in space with a cracked helmet, hes still alive.
Ooops, Sorry was thinking of Mwu in relation to Neo sorry. i was saying that the Phantom Pain purple moblie suits Arms, legs, and head were blown off, and the body hit the ground some how throwing neo out.
ur ryt about that, but he lost his helmet in space,by all means, he shud be dead.. i hope bandai explains this in a good way eehehQuote:
Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
kira was in space with a cracked helmet, hes still alive.
the door breaking?Quote:
Originally posted by: LordGardenGnome
Ooops, Sorry was thinking of Mwu in relation to Neo sorry. i was saying that the Phantom Pain purple moblie suits Arms, legs, and head were blown off, and the body hit the ground some how throwing neo out.
oyabin i was implying that the laws of physics dont apply in GSD
well...maybe just like what happened to kamiyo in zeta...
since in astray, it explained that strike has a pilot protecting system..after a small time..the cockpit will auto seal itself if the main unit is demaged
so...mwu prolly lost his memory cuz of brain demage due to air leeking
Your only saying that cause ur fav character got scrapped...the fact that if it were reversed, youd be praising it as a good ep...
yah ur ryt, it doens't apply, ehehehe sorii.. i give it to shin though, he was the 2nd pilot who blew up kira, I thought he would do a suicde move like athrun.. the force impulse with the big sword is cool!Quote:
Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
the door breaking?Quote:
Originally posted by: LordGardenGnome
Ooops, Sorry was thinking of Mwu in relation to Neo sorry. i was saying that the Phantom Pain purple moblie suits Arms, legs, and head were blown off, and the body hit the ground some how throwing neo out.
oyabin i was implying that the laws of physics dont apply in GSD
This is an AOL chatroom. Stop posting like that right now.
GotWoot Moderator
lol kira wasn't in seed mode and shinn still had a hard time defeating him
having watched the show for this long it always shows when someone is getting into seed mode...
but kira was in seed mode.... if you look at the screenshots and look at kira's eyes, then you can fully tell hes in seedmode
What the fuck?Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
what are you talking about...kira just lost today....Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Stupid fucking fight.
I hate this MAIN CHARACTER HAS TO WIN bullshit.
main characters does lose
shin is the main character ryt? not kira.. and kira was in seed mode.. its still hard to believe he lost to shin..i guess its shins lucky day
oyabin, this is the last time I'm gonna chase you around and say this. STOP TREATING THE FORUMS LIKE AN AOL CHANNEL. USE PROPER ENGLISH.
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shinn isnt necessary main character, well acctually he is but i'm hoping he dies.
well I hope athrun kills him, i really want to see athrun's reaction when he sees shin,
who isnt now-a-days, Im kinda hoping Rey dies with him to tell you the truth. All the stuff that going on is making me annoyed with them. Im just glad that next week Athrun beats the crap out of Shinn(or so I hear)
telling what truth?
if that's the case, eps 35 will be our salvation for shin-haters! yeah, maybe rey should die with shin, are they having a relationship?? shin and rey..
it's true...the director announced long time ago that Kira is the main charactor in gsdQuote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
What the fuck?Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
what are you talking about...kira just lost today....Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Stupid fucking fight.
I hate this MAIN CHARACTER HAS TO WIN bullshit.
main characters does lose
i thought it was shinn,
really?...then what's Shinn?Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
it's true...the director announced long time ago that Kira is the main charactor in gsdQuote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
What the fuck?Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
what are you talking about...kira just lost today....Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Stupid fucking fight.
I hate this MAIN CHARACTER HAS TO WIN bullshit.
main characters does lose
Wow, that's a big surprise to me. Then what the hell is Shinn, what a useless, crybaby, bitch character to bring in for no reason.
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Originally posted by: PTX-003C
honestly...did anyone even notice that mwu is regaining his memory?
He was? I thought he was just wondering what was happening...
Anyway, the episode was quite good. I already watched it yesterday but didn't take my time to post here. I really like the episode, even though it was RAW, and the battle was awesome. I kinda predicted that Shinn would defeat Kira in such a manner but how it was animated and done overall was awesome. But in the end, he had quite a hard time defeating Kira. So Kira is that good. He was constantly distracted and Shinn had to utilize every option his suit provided with the different silhouettes. What a strategy. How might this change Kira's approach to battle? Shinn totally used Kira's no-kill policy for his advantage.
As we could see, Shinn didn't stab the cockpit of Freedom, so I really wonder how Kira can survive an explosion like that this time. He really has some super powers. Next ep we'll see Destiny and Legend, probably only in non-phase shift mode though. They were shown at the end of the preview shots!
he said "why is this place ALWAYS shaking"Quote:
Originally posted by: danholo
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Originally posted by: PTX-003C
honestly...did anyone even notice that mwu is regaining his memory?
He was? I thought he was just wondering what was happening...
Anyway, the episode was quite good. I already watched it yesterday but didn't take my time to post here. I really like the episode, even though it was RAW, and the battle was awesome. I kinda predicted that Shinn would defeat Kira in such a manner but how it was animated and done overall was awesome. But in the end, he had quite a hard time defeating Kira. So Kira is that good. He was constantly distracted and Shinn had to utilize every option his suit provided with the different silhouettes. What a strategy. How might this change Kira's approach to battle? Shinn totally used Kira's no-kill policy for his advantage.
As we could see, Shinn didn't stab the cockpit of Freedom, so I really wonder how Kira can survive an explosion like that this time. He really has some super powers. Next ep we'll see Destiny and Legend, probably only in non-phase shift mode though. They were shown at the end of the preview shots!
and don't you see that tiny pause he have after that sentense?
well, i cant really blame all the kira fans for hatng shinn, but you cant deny the fact that it was he who one the fight. It was just a matter of being prepared. shinn knew that kira was something to be reckoned with, and that is why he prepared himself both in strategy and resources. If kira had prepared even just a little bit, though i dont blame him for not doing so because shinn is such a weakling, he would have won. Not to mention all the other things like he was distracted and whatnot, Kira is just definitely better than Shinn. Even shinn admitted to that by preparing for every detail as much as he did. Even though shinn is crappy and stupid and an ass, he still recognized Kira and the freedom's strength, and because of this he also took note of the weaknesses, like the fact that kira doesn't aim for the kill, which is probably the main reason he won the fight, along with his cheap part changing tricks. Kira is better than Shinn, and Shinn himself admits to it (though you wont see him do so) but Shinn was better prepared. In battle, strength isn't the only gauge. Shinn won, thats it.
Ah, the problems of not understanding Japanese! (That well.) But was he talking about that exact moment? Did he know of the battle raging outside? But yeah... You are most likely correct!Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003Che said "why is this place ALWAYS shaking"
and don't you see that tiny pause he have after that sentense?
KIRA DID AIM TO KILL! He tried to slize the center (cockpit area) of Impulse open, REMEMBER?!?!?
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that happened just to show shinn can get the core and legs saperated...Quote:
Originally posted by: Marks
KIRA DID AIM TO KILL! He tried to slize the center (cockpit area) of Impulse open, REMEMBER?!?!?
that's all..
Enough of your spoilers and shitty attitude. Get out.
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I swear, Kira is such a pussy. FUCKING KILL ALREADY.
Kira could've EASILY ended the fight right when decapitated Impulse, yet he decided to dick around and get distracted by stupid shit and not go for critical hits.
Stop spoiling, this sin't a spoiler thread fuckin retard go to the sticky topic and spoil tehre not here.Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
that happened just to show shinn can get the core and legs saperated...Quote:
Originally posted by: Marks
KIRA DID AIM TO KILL! He tried to slize the center (cockpit area) of Impulse open, REMEMBER?!?!?
that's all..
wow wow wow calm down dudeQuote:
Originally posted by: Madell
Stop spoiling, this sin't a spoiler thread fuckin retard go to the sticky topic and spoil tehre not here.Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
that happened just to show shinn can get the core and legs saperated...Quote:
Originally posted by: Marks
KIRA DID AIM TO KILL! He tried to slize the center (cockpit area) of Impulse open, REMEMBER?!?!?
that's all..
its already written on the topic (may contain spoilerS)
and anyway
can anyone tell me where did the big explosion came from is it from the archangel or from NJC in Freedom
If it was the NJC, shouldnt Shinn be dead by now? He was right in the face of a nuclear explosion, all he got was a few melted parts
I just noticed this, Freedom NEVER exploded. The only explosion was from the Tannhauser shot. I know someone mentioned something about 2 explosions, there weren't. And someone else mentioned why didn't freedom just go under water, I think he was about too, but was waiting for Archangel to go under completely first. By then Shinn had thrown the Beam Boomerang at him which knocked him off balance before the sword attack. I would guess he just simply didn't think to shut off his thrusters and let gravity take him under water.
I'm surprised that noone has mentioned this yet, but notice the location of Shinn's final attack. If I had to guess I would think that Kira manages to get somewhere with Freedom and it is repaired into Strike Freedom now. The damage from the Sword was right where the torso cannon will be on Strike Freedom. Just to throw out a name, maybe he makes it to the Kingdom of Scandinavia.
Also I believe that the Nuetron Jammer Cancellor was behind the cockpit. It would make sense to go there, that way the chances of it getting captured by the enemy if they just took out the cockpit would be minimal. Remember when Freedom was built EAF didn't have the NJC yet, so it would make sense that if they wanted to capture the unit by just killing the pilot that they make it nearly impossle to take out without hitting the NJC as well. EDIT: The NJC blowing up wouldn't cause a nuclear explosion, it would do the opposite. Remember there are Nuetron Jammers all over Earth. As soon as the NJC is taking out Nuclear power no longer works. Remember ZAFT did that specifically so EAF couldn't use nukes.
Also note there isn't a great deal of rubble on the surface of the water. It seems to me that Freedom just lost some armor type stuff.
Before I really get into my bit on the fight just a NOTE: Kira did not aim for the cockpit. If you go frame by frame you can see he was aiming for the legs (I think it would reduce Impulse's manuverability because there are some thrusters in the legs), it's just that when Shinn seperated it made it look like he was going for the cockpit because his swing went right under it.
Personally I thought it was a really good battle. While I am an ardent Shinn-hater, I'm not a Kira-lover. It may seem that way because most of the dabates around them is Kira vs Shinn or Shinn vs Kira. Personally my favorite character is Dearkka. Anyways back to the fight, using his shield to deflect a blast was pretty smart I would have never seen that coming. Also just for bragging rights, Here, the second post I made after Guardian posted the picture of Freedom and Impulse I made a comment about launching parts at Kira while ordering new ones from the ship. I do agree though that it made no sense for Kira to "forget" to use his rail guns or the wing guns.
Just out of curiousity (I know noone know) I wonder how many of each Flyer the Minerva has. I would think storage space would be limited. I can see them have 2 of each just in case, but if that is the case then Impluse would be out of action now. Shinn trashed 2 Force Sillouettes and 2 Chest Flyers. He could probably get away with going with the Sword of the Blast Sillouettes, but they would have to take the time to repair a chest flyer. Considering they haven't really done any reapair on ANY other unit on board they don't seem to have the time.
Another thing, it is amazing how much restraint the Archangel showed. Purposely not hitting anything. I know they thought that is what ZAFT wanted, but still that had to be difficult.
Oh, and someone asked about when Talia and Murrue met, Murrue was the head technician working on repairing the Minerva when it was in Orb.
EDIT 2: It's nice that we will finally see the Mass Produced Gouf's next episode!
I hold nothing but utter dissapointment for this episode. I think that the makers are starting to rush this series.
Really liked that dodge that the AA did against the Minerva.
First off, Kira acted like this was his first time in battle or something. The only other time that he was this stupid was when he got Fllay killed and killed Nicol. The only problem Kira had was worrying about the AA but come on. Kira does have faith in the AA and everyone aboard so he should never be that worried about it. He is also not so dumb to the point where he doesn't focus his full attention on the obstacle that is keeping him from his objective at that moment in time. I am not saying this cause I 'm a Kira fan(I accually like Asuran,Lacus and Lunamaria the best), I'm saying this cause this isn't right. Kira basically only tried to shoot him that entire battle. Where was that unholy beam saber skill that Kira is always using. Even if Shinn knew whare Kira was aiming, he and the Impulse can't keep up with that. Kira didn't even try his trademark kick that he does to everyone. When Kira returns with his new SF he better kick Shinn one good time.
Also something that pissed me off. The Minerva was facing the oppisite direction of Shinn. This means it would take maybe about a minute for Shinn to combine new segments of his gundam. This would give Kira ample time to regain control of his gundam, realize that Shinn's gundam came in segment,s and cut up the core splendor or rail gun the incoming segments, but aparently Shinn can slow down time and combine in what seems like an instant to everyone else.
Now Freedom I believe did explode, but not all of it. I think that maybe the legs and some other parts exploded and Kira escaped with the the remaining cocpit and thrusters into the ocean. But then that wouldn't explain why the Impulse was burned to a crisp and the explosion that huge. Maybe something powerful just blew up cause lets face it, if it was a nuclear explosion then I don't think that anyone would be living right now.
As a side note Kira has yet pilot better than he did while he was in the desert.
that explodsion was indead freedom's, but for creating a nuclear fusion, it takes way more energy to start...so that little sword poke from shinn definitely won't creat a nuclear explodsion....
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I ment spoilers in general because people (including me) usualy start to talk about the upcoming episodes
Actually, while watching frame by frame, I'm not completely convinced it was from Freedom. If you watch from when the explosion starts you'll see a red line trailing back to the Minerva that fades, as their Tannhauser (sp?) would do, and when their ship first enters the scene it is the Tannhauser front that is originally facing the explosion before it QUICKLY gets turned to the side. Now I'm not sure where the Freedom & Impulse were in coorilation to the Minerva, but I sincerely doubt they would fire the Tannhauser almost direclty at those two. I won't say it wasn't the Freedom, but after watching that I'm rather confused... and hopeful!Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
that explodsion was indead freedom's, but for creating a nuclear fusion, it takes way more energy to start...so that little sword poke from shinn definitely won't creat a nuclear explodsion....
Go Kira.
You are indeed correct. Kira aimed for the legs. I'm also very saddened that Kira didn't use the wing cannons or rail guns. Why not use your last wing cannon or right rail gun on Shinn's final approach? That's all I keep on thinking.Quote:
Originally posted by: Curium
Before I really get into my bit on the fight just a NOTE: Kira did not aim for the cockpit. If you go frame by frame you can see he was aiming for the legs (I think it would reduce Impulse's manuverability because there are some thrusters in the legs), it's just that when Shinn seperated it made it look like he was going for the cockpit because his swing went right under it.
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You are indeed correct. Kira aimed for the legs. I'm also very saddened that Kira didn't use the wing cannons or rail guns. Why not use your last wing cannon or right rail gun on Shinn's final approach? That's all I keep on thinking.
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yep its true the chairman is just using shinn thats why put him in impluse and wanted him to defeat kira so badly but in kira's defeat its clear that he never was trying to kill shin or disable him at first he was just trying to buy time for archangel to escape to the sea. shinn's victory is a hollow one since kira didnt aim at the cockpit or use the himat system which is where freedoms true power lie's. but still he won which make's the battle strike freedom vs destiny ohh so much better since kira's gonna hand it to him. another thing how impulse managed to make it through that explosion was cheap it should at least have sent him flying.
Oh, but is there any proof that Kira will be the one who gets Strike Freedom? He might have died.
KIRA should have used the HImat system and use the whole 5 beams from freedom to shoot both hands both legs and the head of impulse leaving the cokpit alone, i feel sad i was so angry to see this episode because im so pro in kira and i hate shin so much because he is being such a dickhead and an arrogant person to asuran which is his senior, and im wondering how more arrogant can shin be after defeating freedom. and i think the big explosion in the end of 34 came from nowhere its just the explosion of the laser hitting the sea, because if the NJC explode shin would be in the sea like stellar in the river, and kira will be "the sea" .
i hope Infinite justice or strike freedom gonna kick destiny's ass
can somone tell me who will be the ultimate enemy in GSD ?
You know considering how stupid I found the majority of this episode. (all notes on the battles were posted earlier in this thread) What if Kira used the blast to his advantage to make Shinn believe he had killed Kira. Perhaps taking the sword in a nonvital area of the freedom and detonating say the railguns and wing cannons by overloading them in Shinn's face to make a explosion to hide his escape.
Considering they removed his ability to fight I don't see it as impossible for him to cause a explosion as a smoke screen so he could drop into the ocean and reach the archangel.
hmm when you stop to think about it the explosion had to be from the reactor since it was so large and impulse was burnt to a crisp that explsion did come from freedom because asuran yelled out kira right after it. but in any case freedom's cockpit is in its chest so its possible after realizing the danger he was in kira escaped but this battle in a sense was pure bullshit its like something from a dream sequence because of the way everthing happend and if you think about its the same exact thing that happen in endless waltz with quattre, duo and trowa when they were fighting the serpents on earth. all in all i think the real point of this episode was not the battle but mwu starting to regain his memory, dullandal is minipulating shinn, shinn is growing as a pilot, and asuran see's the errors of his way, and zaft is mostly likely the final enemy.
You peeps out there, there's no reason at all that you should hate Shinn. The writers made it in purpose that we should feel like hating him, perhaps becoz we already convinced ourselves that Kira and friends are the "good guys". I understand Shinn's situation and I respect him. Anyway, damn, Kira lost to Shinn? WTF? hahahahaha, Some guy mentioned that Shinn could never match up to Kira? That's completely a stupid opinion at all. So what if he's the "ultimate coordinator", Its true that it was mentioned in GS, but what was not mentioned was how exactly he was "ultimate". Was he ultimate in sports? Music? of In battle? or in everything? So being "ultimate" is irrelevant on determining who is better among the two. It's right that they're MS have different unique abilities, and they just used everything they got in the battle, (maybe not Kira) but I think Shinn has the potential to beat Kira to his fullest. (someday)
The only thing I hate about the plot is when someone dies in an absurd way, so unexplainable that they still survive in the end, is a very cheesy and lame way to continue the story with the same characters.
I know that in GSD laws of physics do not exactly apply, but NUCLEAR REACTORS DO NOT EXPLODE! nuclear reactor is not nuclear missile - it's very hard to make nuclear reactor explode, you must use fuel as in nuclear missile and that can't be done from outside of the reactor, only thing that damaged nuclear reactor can do is leak radiation. even if you meltdown the reactor, it won't explode.
anyway. I do not hate kira and I do not hate shinn, is there something wrong with me?
I think Dullindals goal is to come out looking like a hero to everyone, that he is greedy as hell and that he doesn't want anyone else taking credit for rescuing everyone from war... Like how he altered the camera showing the fight against the Destroyer.
Trying to take out the real Lacus having a fake Lacus doing everything he tells her to. and then with a fake operation try to save the earth from being taken out by the comet, I think that was his plans from the beginning.
And the fact that Dullindal knew Lau ru kruz isn't good either, that alone talks in favor of him being a nut-case.
Anyway, did anyone notice the fact that even after bing hit by Impulse sword, Kira still aimed his sword at the head in the end? Maybe that implies that Kira didn't try to save his own life because he had a plan of escpaing, maybe like emergancy exit and selfdetonation to make it look like death?
Telemari, maybe it isn't wrong, only understanding...
Anyhow, I have a hard time not hating Shinn because he is so inexperienced and act out of hatred and not out of logic trying to do the right thing as Kira. Kira has lost so many people close to him and is still strong enough to stand up and do the right thing because he believes in everyones right to life.
PS. I didn't get an answer to my question.... Is there any proof what-so-ever that Kira will be the one piloting Strike Freedom? Maybe Shinn will get a new unit.
yeah, maybe freedom have some kind of lifeboat. it's easy with lifeboats in scifi - they aren't here until you need them (as with Dominion)