Not everybody has seen Zeta, dumbass.
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When you post that the raw is out, it would be better to provide a link. It is just the polite thing to do.
Saiyaman Gundam SEED Destiny PHASE 32
sorry...i can't do that...cuz i dl it off my japanese friend directly....Quote:
Originally posted by: Curium
When you post that the raw is out, it would be better to provide a link. It is just the polite thing to do.
Saiyaman Gundam SEED Destiny PHASE 32
she rips it off the TV for me....not that i don't wanna provide the link
PTX is the most elite Gundam fan ever. He is on top of all the top, best things that's Gundam related.
hmmm well he does have a lot of info regarding gundam serie's
i'm just starting to experiens gundam 0079 0080 and the rest
the way Kira used his beam saber to deflect the beams was cool. and it looks more and more like neo is mwu seeing how the captain of the archangel (I forgot her name) reacted. and I thought kira mensioned his name (11:50) to but I'm not completly sure about that.
This episode effectively eliminates Phantom Pain. Sting gets offed by Cagalli's Orb pilots, Stellar dies and Neo gets taken aboard the Arch Angel. I'm not sure how much of a blow this is to the Earth Forces, but losing the Phantom Pain unit as well as the Destroy has to be some sort of a setback.
About time that annoying lunatic got offed.
First off, all that is confirmed with Neo is that he looks just like Mwu. We already knew that, but they hadn't acctually shown his face in the show yet (the opening didn't show anything conclusive about him being Neo). We should learn something next week or the week after though (barring flashbacks - knock on wood).
It didn't last long, but Destroy's fire power sure was impressive. I know it made Djibril happy even without knowing what he was saying. I wonder how he will react to this loss.
That was PATHETIC by Sting. Getting taken out by no-name mass produced MS pilots. At least other characters (Auel, Heine) got killed by somebody useful.
So much for my theories about Freedom taking damage vs Destroy or not (well maybe not) seeing Impulse launch. He was busy, so he may or may not have noticed it. Towards the end I thought maybe Shinn would go right after Kira immidietly after Destroy blew. Obviously not. That would have left Kira in a weaker position then normal since he lost both of his beam sabers taking out Destroy.
I have too say, I was very dissappointed by Kira in this episode. If he had just waited another 5 seconds Stellar would have killed Shinn and put him out of our misery.
Oh, and I know somebody will mention Kira setting Stellar off after Shinn calmed her down, you can't really blame him for that. He knew nothing about Stellar, and probably didn't know that she couldn't see him. He was just hovering in the sky while Shinn talked to her. He didn't do anything to provoke her (and it wouldn't have provoked 99% of people). He was just there.
Very interesting episode I'll have to wait for the subbed version before commenting to much. However in addition to Curiums statements note that Kira did not kill Stellar he disabled the gundam the fact shinn cut open the cockpit killed stellar. Of course thats if she is even dead she could be unconcious but reguardless she will die with nowhere to get treatment of any kind for the drugs she needs to live.
I would assume that Dullindal could probably provide her with the necessary drugs. He had some connection with the Extended project to begin with. Of course who knows if he is so inclined.
This was an episode that was easy to watch RAW. Not much dialog but tons of action. Facial expressions give out a lot. Destroy being taken out in one episode is pretty obivious because one can't simply fathom a machine like that roaming around every episode. It had to be taken down at all costs.
Kira was really impressive, once again, with his Jedi skills of deflecting the beams shot by Stellar. He really knows how to evade those shots but somehow you got the impression that Shinn was a better pilot this time by just flying initially in front of Destroy and slashing the cockpit area. Who knows if Neo is Mwu... Who else would it be with all those scars? Wonder though, how he didn't die in SEED then... You can't really survive something like that. Cartoons work like that. There are no rules. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Daemon007: The name of AA's captain is Murrue, or "Mariyuu", Ramius.
so lemme get this confirmed, stellar really isn dead yet, coz i haven really seen the episode. I am waiting for the subs to come out. Can someone confirm her death or do we have to wait till the next episode
PS: Someone please post a link to the sub torrent as soon as it cumz out, tomorrow or whenever, it wud be appreciated
Oh, she's dead alright. She can finally rest in peace. It's quite a touching moment. She confesses her "love" (Shinn... Suki) to Shinn and goes off, then Shinn does his "yell" correlated with a flashback when his family was killed.
alrite, thnx for confirming that, anyhow i was wondering, with stellar, auel and sting dead, u can probably expect some new characters. maybe around 4-5episodes from this one. I say that becoz that was around the same time shani, clotho and orga were introduced in the original. Coz i think at this stage we are lacking some villainous mobile suit pilots
I expect several confrontations between Shinn and Kira.
If you watch the part before the intro you see Kira try to go in right away and hit the Positron Reflector. After that he resorted to just firing from a distance. I'm not positive of this, but I think the Positron Reflectors are only in the arms and on the forhead of the Mobile Fortress mode. After it transformed in MS mode it seemed to rely more on the arm shields for protection. It may simply be that Kira didn't realize that he could get in close after it transformed since he couldn't earlier.Quote:
Originally posted by: danholo
He really knows how to evade those shots but somehow you got the impression that Shinn was a better pilot this time by just flying initially in front of Destroy and slashing the cockpit area.
I would have to say thats a pretty fair assessment of what happened however I do have some issues with Shinn magically being able to get in close. Given Kira was dealing with Neo and both of the arms at the time so shinn really didn't have that much to get past as it was already more then slightly occupied.Quote:
Originally posted by: Curium
If you watch the part before the intro you see Kira try to go in right away and hit the Positron Reflector. After that he resorted to just firing from a distance. I'm not positive of this, but I think the Positron Reflectors are only in the arms and on the forhead of the Mobile Fortress mode. After it transformed in MS mode it seemed to rely more on the arm shields for protection. It may simply be that Kira didn't realize that he could get in close after it transformed since he couldn't earlier.Quote:
Originally posted by: danholo
He really knows how to evade those shots but somehow you got the impression that Shinn was a better pilot this time by just flying initially in front of Destroy and slashing the cockpit area.
This was a great ep loads of freedom goodness and destroy n stellar gone hads to the drama (cry shinn lol). about shinn just going up to destroy and slashing it, he gets a brief about destroy before he goes to the battle field, so that might be why he just went there and damaged it in one go Kira didnt have any briefing and had 2 arms, Neo and Sting on him so that might explain why he didnt do any damage to it.
Like I said, he tried to get close at the very beginning. But there was that positron reflector blocking him. He may have just not realized that it was generated from the "head" on the backpack and that he could not get close once it was in MS mode.Quote:
Originally posted by: DDBen
I would have to say thats a pretty fair assessment of what happened however I do have some issues with Shinn magically being able to get in close. Given Kira was dealing with Neo and both of the arms at the time so shinn really didn't have that much to get past as it was already more then slightly occupied.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I can't believe neither Freedom or Impulse got hit even once by Destroy. Neo managed to take out Freedom's shield, which is more then anyone other then Rau, but Destroy seemed like it just couldn't hit anything that small at that point. It had owned earlier.
Im not so sure about it but i dont think that stellar will die so soon even if im mistaken but it sure that shinn will take revenge or even better he ll try to destroy kira and his freedom.
*eagerly awaits a sub*
did i say it a long time ago?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mashux7
Im not so sure about it but i dont think that stellar will die so soon even if im mistaken but it sure that shinn will take revenge or even better he ll try to destroy kira and his freedom.
stellar's just like Four....she must die
Keep in mind most people watching Destiny have never seen Zeta and have no clue who Four is.Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
did i say it a long time ago?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mashux7
Im not so sure about it but i dont think that stellar will die so soon even if im mistaken but it sure that shinn will take revenge or even better he ll try to destroy kira and his freedom.
stellar's just like Four....she must die
Destroy=psycho+big zam+zeon.....geez...what a "nice" mix...Quote:
Originally posted by: Curium
Keep in mind most people watching Destiny have never seen Zeta and have no clue who Four is.Quote:
Originally posted by: PTX-003C
did i say it a long time ago?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mashux7
Im not so sure about it but i dont think that stellar will die so soon even if im mistaken but it sure that shinn will take revenge or even better he ll try to destroy kira and his freedom.
stellar's just like Four....she must die
CELLPHONE^2 SUB IS OUT!!!
Cellphone^2 Sub of GSD 32
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Originally posted by: Curium
If you watch the part before the intro you see Kira try to go in right away and hit the Positron Reflector. After that he resorted to just firing from a distance. I'm not positive of this, but I think the Positron Reflectors are only in the arms and on the forhead of the Mobile Fortress mode. After it transformed in MS mode it seemed to rely more on the arm shields for protection. It may simply be that Kira didn't realize that he could get in close after it transformed since he couldn't earlier.Quote:
Originally posted by: danholo
He really knows how to evade those shots but somehow you got the impression that Shinn was a better pilot this time by just flying initially in front of Destroy and slashing the cockpit area.
another reason could be that impulse is (propebly) more advanced than freedom in terms of speed and reactionspeed of the suit.
That's it I keep forgetting that nameQuote:
Originally posted by: danholo
Daemon007: The name of AA's captain is Murrue, or "Mariyuu", Ramius.
load of crap
kira can't even inflict damage on destroyer even with seed mode
and shinn just walts in and damages it
Jup k_truong that was just lame
Yeah Steller dead...finaly we are getting new enemies these were lame
still waiting for a sub. Wud appreciate anyone who wud post up a link
thnx
Tried scrolling up?Quote:
Originally posted by: splash
still waiting for a sub. Wud appreciate anyone who wud post up a link
thnx
Sting's death was absolutely ridiculous. Killed off undramatically by generic soldiers. Yay. Fitting end. Goddamnit...
At first I thought Neo died. That was quite a shocker. If he really is Mwu I'd appreciate if someone just says it so we can end this damn discussion.
Stellar's death was sad. I didn't think she'd actually say "the words" to Shinn. But she did, and it was indeed great.
Destroy got destroyed (har har) a hell of a lot faster than I thought it would.
On the whole, this was a very intense conclusion to the first share of villains this show has offered us. Still, there are almost 20 eps left to go.
It has gotten me really curious on how it will develop.
Some spoilers for the original Seed comin' up
A list of funny parallels between the Seed druggies & the Destiny druggies:
Shani = Auel
Why: Both are the pretty boy of the bunch. Both come off as the most insane ones when it comes to combat itself. They both die first. They are both killed with others commenting on it (In Shani's case, Orga yelled "Shani!" & in Auel's case, Neo yelled "Auel!")
Orga = Sting
Why: Short hair. Both of them are the old & mature part of the trio. Both are killed second, and both are killed extremely undramatically. Both also have the smallest fanbases of their respective group. No other character cared visually when they died.
Crot = Stellar
Why: Both are fan favorites. Both are the most insane overall. Both are shown with the purple-eyed side-effects of the drug usage (i.e. they suffer the most). Both of them die last & in the most dramatic way.
Ain't I cool?
Agreed Terra, there is still alot of episodes to go.
I think Kira and Shinn are gonna take each other out. (Then they get new mobile suits)
I thought Sting was gonna be captured and converted ala Dearka but I guess I was wrong about that.
Speaking of Dearka I'm really looking foward to seeing him and Yzak again. Doesn't matter if they don't have fancy new Gundams they'll kiss ass with the Zakus too. With the death of so many characters it would be nice to see the both of them again, soon.
Very Very Very satisfying episode.
OK, so many of our predictions were way off the charts, like Impulse and Freedom geting scrapped this episode to get their new mobile suits but what the hell, Freedom is still the coolest Gundam I ever saw and Impulse, my only grudge is the pilot. Otherwise, ALL OF ITS PACKS are cool.
About the death of Sting and Chaos, my only reactions was ...................
HURRAY FOR ORB MURSAME PILOTS!!!!
OK, so there were three Murasames to one Chaos but even then, I though the Murasame did very very very well considering Chaos ripped through every mobile suit thrown at it in the first few episodes. Yet the team work of the Murasame pilots shows it not just the Gundam, or even the pilot, that wins the battle. In the words of Hatake Kakashi from Naruto, its all about teamwork. And it overcame a bloody arrogant character who deserved to die.
Oh, and I'm so glad my prediction that the Murasame pilots would die was also off. Thank god. I'm sure the Murasames will come in handy in future battles.
Battle between Freedom and Destroy. Pretty much as I expected. I honestly can't see even Freedom putting a dent on Destroy. Kira actually should have died if it were not for his SEED factor and outstanding piloting skills.
That is why Shinn waltzing in and slashing Destroy in one pass is just ridiculous. I mean, sure, we all want Shinn to see Stellar in the cockpit, but making Shin do something that even Freedom couldn't do, and in such a simplistic way too : like I said, just one pass dodging a few strikes here and there, is just anti climatic.
But the interplay between Stellar and Shinn was good. For a moment, I thought we might actually see Stellar come out of her panic battle mode. But this being Gundam Seed Destiny, happy endings are hard to come by and they decide to add fuel to the fire by making Kira come into view.
Note: I am a Kira supporter. I support his stance of non-killing and path to peace for all, not just his friends, but for his enemies as well.
Sigh, I guess Kira's and Shinn's duel is still destined to happen. Knowing Shinn, he is going to need an outlet for revenge, and it won't stop at just the Earth Alliance. Because Kira is there, he will simply blame him and go after him. That's just Shinn's thinking.
Actually we don't know what Stellar died from. Destroy didn't really blow up completely and her cockpit wasn't blown up as well. So what did she die from?
Well, regardless, if she dies, then the last hope for redemption for Shinn is gone. I don't see Rakusu Klein anywhere ready to set him on the right path. That probably means a duel to the death with Freedom.
And Asuran will just sit on his haunches doing nothing. That guy better get his priority straight. Either he stays at Minerva and try to influence Shinn or get his ass back on the Archangel. I'm sure he can pilot a Murasame just fine. (Oh I know that won't happen, he's supposed to receive another Gundam soon I heard). At least his fiancee finally did something useful like protecting the city. FINALLY, CAGALLI DOES SOMETHING WITH STRIKE ROUGE OTHER THAN CRYING!!!!!!! I am so happy. Even if its just a simply blocking enemy fire for civilians, its good enough.
Neo having Mwu's face, well, that's more or less expected. Its different from the opening though where we see Neo and Maryuu face off each other with a gun.
Overall, a nice episode, heavy with action, drama and fortunately, Freedom and Impulse not getting scrapped yet.
To Shinn lovers...... sorry, i don't know what else is going to set that boy right now that Stellar seems to be dead.
hey , why are we all forgetting that in the end , kira destroyed destroy no matter what happened before that. Therefore screw whatever happened before that, Kira was the victor at the end. Besides Kira was constantly being blocked by neo who seemed to be a bigger problem than stellar in the destroy. If it was just destroy and freedom, kira wud take it out no problem. Yeah and Sting was super pathetic. Some EXTENDED he turned out to be. Maybe this shows how much Athrun sucks too because he cudn take out sting in any of his fights
**SPOILER**
Oh and by the way, i think Athrun will get back on the Archangel, becoz one of the episodes after this is named Athrun's Desertion
That was an excellent episode.
Shinn is a douche.
Destiny has been bothering me for a while now. Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series that I've seen so far, I was skeptical yet excited about Kira's return. 60% of the series has already been released, and there are so many loose ends that need to be tied up, created in the confusion known as "the first 25 episodes". I will save those questions for another forum discussion, back to my main concern.
In Destiny, Kira and his crew are portrayed as a misplaced bothersome force (like in SEED, but not quite the same feeling, you know what I mean, right?) He's already struck twice killing Shinn's family and love (Stellar). As the new main character, Shinn is too angsty for my blood >_<. He is definitely a love-hate character, and his skills are on par with Kira's (if not better). Assuming everyone has seen SEED before Destiny, am I the only one who is annoyed with the way Kira is portrayed? Why do I get the feeling Kira might die in this series? I'd hate myself for ever watching Destiny at that moment should my dear Kira perish to this super-angsty Shinn (btw I cheered when Athrun slapped him for the first time....and then again!).
I finally came to the conclusion that this is how (the writers) want Kira to atone for his sins from SEED. What are your opinions on how Destiny is carrying along? Please respond! Thank you!
*Also kudos to Kira for ending Stellar! I've been waiting for this moment ever since she killed Heine and his "Epyon" in a much short-lived and short-changed episode*
/salute Heine!
I miss you and wish you lasted much longer than that ; ;
How is this a more true sequel than Z Gundam or ZZ Gundam was? Or Endless Waltz for that reason? (if you count OAVs/movies).Quote:
Originally posted by: Raquelcasull
Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series
Actually, we don't know if it was Kira who misfired and killed Shinn's family. I've watched that episode and there's nothing to prove the shot came from Kira. In any case, Shinn doesn't blame Kira for his family's death, he blames Cagalli and ORB for failing to protect his family.Quote:
Originally posted by: Raquelcasull
In Destiny, Kira and his crew are portrayed as a misplaced bothersome force (like in SEED, but not quite the same feeling, you know what I mean, right?) He's already struck twice killing Shinn's family and love (Stellar). As the new main character, Shinn is too angsty for my blood >_<. He is definitely a love-hate character, and his skills are on par with Kira's (if not better). Assuming everyone has seen SEED before Destiny, am I the only one who is annoyed with the way Kira is portrayed? Why do I get the feeling Kira might die in this series? I'd hate myself for ever watching Destiny at that moment should my dear Kira perish to this super-angsty Shinn (btw I cheered when Athrun slapped him for the first time....and then again!).
I finally came to the conclusion that this is how (the writers) want Kira to atone for his sins from SEED. What are your opinions on how Destiny is carrying along? Please respond! Thank you!
*Also kudos to Kira for ending Stellar! I've been waiting for this moment ever since she killed Heine and his "Epyon" in a much short-lived and short-changed episode*
/salute Heine!
I miss you and wish you lasted much longer than that ; ;
Yeah, Kira dying in destiny is a recurring nightmare for me as well. I actually can't believe there are Kira haters in the first place. To me, Kira represents one of the ultimate positive side of humanity, Coordinator my ass. As rakusu said, his kindness doesn't come from being a Coordinator. I pray that he doesn't die as well. He doesn't deserve to. He is not a mass murderer and if you really think about it, the last person he personally killed was Rau Le Crueze.
Kira did not kill Stellar. In fact, I'm not sure what Stellar died of in the first place. Even the sharpnel sticking to her body wasn't to her torso area, it was her arms that had sharpnel stuck at it. I really wish Stellar had lived though, to provide a window of redemption for that wretched boy Shinn Asuka. As of now, I don't know if there's anyone capable of getting that dickhead Shinn out of his fit of anger and arrogance. I don't think Asuran is up to the task frankly, since its unlikely Shinn will ever respect him again after being defeated so badly by Kira.
Join me in prayers. PLEASE DON'T LET KIRA DIE?!?!?!?!
Oh, and please let there be a chance for Shinn so that people can actually start to like him.
DIE KIRA!!! XD
well kira dying wud definitely ruin the series. It wud be better to have kept him out of the series all together then to bring him in and make him die. However, looking at the way shinn's character is developing, it seems quite likely that he will probably die in the end too. As for a character like Rey, i hope he dusn turn out to be like Rau( i.e making so much sense all the time but in the end just turning into a psycho.)
Maybe there is still quite some chance for Shinn Redemption but i dont think its gonna be happening any time soon. Maybe Lunamaria will have something to do with it, who knows. I definitely want to know what Neo is going to do from now on. I believe its about time they starting filling the viewers in with whats up with Rey, Neo and Dullindal. Leaving everything to be explained in a rush in the last few episodes like seeds will just ruin the series
Personally i am glad Stellar is dead. The fact that she was a drugged out extended means they cudn possibly have developed her character anymore. I guess thats why she needed to be taken out of the picture. I mean what cud u do with a character like Stellar. It also made sense to bring an end to destroy. Personally, i do not like the idea of huge Gundams that just stand there and shoot and blast. I dont think the destroy took even more than five or six steps from the moment it was deployed to the end
; ; I hate you! XDQuote:
Originally posted by: darkshadow
DIE KIRA!!! XD
Ok, when Stellar is out this phase, Mwu's clone captured and last Enchanted is dead... I think battle will now transfer in space and we will start solving Dullundal's real motives and agenda's. I guess we will see Lacus too. I'm bit disapointed that Stellar died but considering fact that Lunamaria has fallen for Shinn, there is two alternatives: Either Shinn dies at end of series or Shinn will make atonment somehow and will fall for Lunamaria...
But there is now question about it, Stellar is dead...
Shinn will kill Kira....or die trying.
Kira took everything away from him. His parents, sister and now Stellar aswell.
dont hate me cause im right [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: Raquelcasull
; ; I hate you! XDQuote:
Originally posted by: darkshadow
DIE KIRA!!! XD
I doubt Shinn can kill Kira. Kira has Ahtrun as Friend, Cagalli as Sister and Lacus as Loved one. Taking out kira would collapse who series put relations in chaos. Besdies it wasn't Kira who killed Stellar. If Shinn will hold someone responsible it will him and Neo. He trusted Neo and Neo gave her word to keep Stellar safe, he broke it. Shinn also attacked Stellar. So no way, I don't really see change that Shinn would kill Kira. He might bear grudge against Kira or I think this is perfect way to mature up Shinn and make him real hero instead that whining little, arrogant brat that he has been.
Even Kira fought in Orb battle I don't really recall that Shinn saw Freedom there. Only Murasame's. Shinn if I'm right at that time Freedom and Justice were closer Murasame research facility to cover mass launcher... If anyone Shinn blaims his family's death, it will not be Kira but Cagalli, because she is Athha. Daughter of Orb's leader, who'se principles made EA to attack Orb and forced Orb forces defend Orb...
Kira is now the worst Gundam character ever.
It wasn't Kira who killed Stellar? Did you even watch the episode? Maybe it wasn't his fault but he sure did kill Stellar in order to protect others, Shinn especially. While Shinn's ideals do coincide with Kira's, he really has a wierd and immature outlook on things. He'll grow up and shape the destiny of things. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
p.s. Nice to see somebody from Finland that watches Gundam. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
First, I still want to know where Buster and Duel are!
Go back to the original post and read THE REST OF THE SENTANCE. You took it completely out of context Terra. The sentance was "Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series that I've seen so far"Quote:
Originally posted by: Terracosmo
How is this a more true sequel than Z Gundam or ZZ Gundam was? Or Endless Waltz for that reason? (if you count OAVs/movies).Quote:
Originally posted by: Raquelcasull
Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series
There seems to be a debate on who killed Shinn's family, while it never acctually shows it, there is around an 80-90% chance it was Kira. Calamity was the only MS in the area and was firing at an elevated angle (into the air). The blast to killed Shinn's family was not aimed into the air. In the first couple of episodes it showed that it was Freedom fighting Calamity.
Also I want to repeat something from my first comments on the episode; WHY COULDN'T KIRA BE A FEW SECONDS SLOWER!!!!!! If he had waited just a few seconds then Stellar would have put Shinn out of ALL of our miseries.
Ahh at last the pshyco bitch is dead, I've been waiting for that a long time now, but I feel i little bit sorry fo shinn thouh even though the fact that I hate him...
I mean that kid has serious problems, well I to would've if my near ones died in front of my eyes like that.
But he's really immature and hates everything bah. Well enough about that little bastard.
Great episode was the thing I was planning to say, as always gundam seed destiny comes with another great episode.
Ok so I've heard that shinn is going to read every info on freedom with the help of Rey. and They are going to find a way to take freedom down.
I hope when the time comes when it's going to be impulse vs freedom, Kira will kick Shinns pathetic arse and chop it into pieces, grill it and sell it at the local café.
I don't know, if I was the local cafe I would make Kira pay me to take Shinn off his hands.Quote:
Originally posted by: EpoC
Ahh at last the pshyco bitch is dead, I've been waiting for that a long time now, but I feel i little bit sorry fo shinn thouh even though the fact that I hate him...
I mean that kid has serious problems, well I to would've if my near ones died in front of my eyes like that.
But he's really immature and hates everything bah. Well enough about that little bastard.
Great episode was the thing I was planning to say, as always gundam seed destiny comes with another great episode.
Ok so I've heard that shinn is going to read every info on freedom with the help of Rey. and They are going to find a way to take freedom down.
I hope when the time comes when it's going to be impulse vs freedom, Kira will kick Shinns pathetic arse and chop it into pieces, grill it and sell it at the local café.
i honestly don't believe that Kira will kick Shinn's arse even tho he is fully capable of it. What i am guessing that he is really gonna hold back while fitin Shinn, and loose. However he will probably make Shinn work for his money, even if he IS holding back. However, i am sick and tired of Shinn always being wrong and turning out at the better end of things. I mean COMON!!!!! I wud really like to see someone dent Shinn's sense of pride but i dont think it is gonna be Kira. In any case, someone needs to beat Shinn really badly in a battle and shut him up!
for those of you who somehow cannot recall the first episode you'll see what happen to shinns parents and sister is a result of an explosion caused by orga shooting at freedom and also if kira should die destiny would become the worst gundam series alot of people might disagree but kira is by far one of the best characters in the gundam universe.
I just rewatched the beginning of the first episode. Calamity was aiming into the air to get Freedom. The angle of fire wasn't correct for killing Shinn's family. Freedom was the one that was firing towards the ground.Quote:
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
for those of you who somehow cannot recall the first episode you'll see what happen to shinns parents and sister is a result of an explosion caused by orga shooting at freedom and also if kira should die destiny would become the worst gundam series alot of people might disagree but kira is by far one of the best characters in the gundam universe.
Also rewatching that reminded me that Mayu was acctually more spoiled then Shinn. I've never commented on it before because I didn't join the forum until around episode 20. There in the middle of a war zone with heavy fighting going on nearby and she is worried about her stupid cell phone. I can officially say that Shinn is the character I hate the SECOND most in Destiny now that I've been reminded of that.
EDIT: What happened to all the Windams from the beginning? I know Stellar launched Destroy with just Neo and Sting, but at the beginning of 32 there was a group of Windams behind them. They were never shown being destroyed or doing anything. Wouldn't they have been helping out, at least against the Murasames.
shin's just a selfish prick
by the looks of it i reckon he would sacrifise more cities and innocent people just to save stellar
The scary thing is that there are people that like that about him. It came up in Cellphone^2's IRC channel while we were camping for the episode to come out (about 5:30-6 AM EDT).Quote:
Originally posted by: k_truong
shin's just a selfish prick
by the looks of it i reckon he would sacrifise more cities and innocent people just to save stellar
Curium, don't be a douche and idle only in Cellphones^2 channel. If you're gonna be on IRC, come to #gotwoot on irc.gotwoot.net
great episode. except for that flashbacks - maybe anime directors don't belive that someone can actually remember something 32 episodes ago. but freedom sure is a SCARY THING.
OK, now that I think of it, maybe it was Kira who accidentally killed Shinn's family.Quote:
Originally posted by: danholo
It wasn't Kira who killed Stellar? Did you even watch the episode? Maybe it wasn't his fault but he sure did kill Stellar in order to protect others, Shinn especially. While Shinn's ideals do coincide with Kira's, he really has a wierd and immature outlook on things. He'll grow up and shape the destiny of things. [img][/img]
p.s. Nice to see somebody from Finland that watches Gundam. [img][/img]
But please, since when did Shinn's ideals coincide with Kira's? Kira is a pacifict, Shinn is an aggressor. Shinn's style is very like a berserker with little thought of defence while Kira hasn't killed anyone since Gundam Seed Phase 50. Well, not directly anyway. Shinn's simply does not believe that peace is possible with the Earth Alliance which is why he joined ZAFT while Kira is constantly looking for a way to get both sides to look for peace. Kira, in spite of all he has seen, still has hope, while Shinn has none.
To be perfectly fair, Shinn may well be right. But to lose the will to change the way things are is not right. Abraham Lincoln made the South change what was truly an evil practice of slavery even though the South did not think it was. Just because the majority thinks its OK to do that, doesn't mean we all have to conform with it. That is why there have been rebellions that have overthrown tyrants throughout history. Every dynasty in China fell because of evil and corrupt emperors and officials. It was up to heroes to change the way things are.
I don't think its fair to say Stellar cannot be developed. Any character can be developed, and Stellar's development into something other than a war machine could have been fascinating. Not to mention take Shinn's mind of warmongering. That fellow hasn't had a family for a long time and could have used Stellar as a means of replacing the brotherly love he had for his sister at least.
Funny. Few episodes ago, I was also clamouring for Shinn's death and utter humiliation. But I realise his character is more to be pitied rather than spited. He actually is a good kid who does have a heart as he demonstrated several times when he saved the people of the pacific island and also in the desert. But he fails to see the big picture or view the EA soldiers as human beings, with women and children of their own. He talks about his sense of morality but fails to demonstrate it to his enemies as well.
I've got another prediction. Seing that Destroy is, well destroyed, maybe it'll be a duel to the death between Kira and Shinn that eventually destroys Freedom and Impulse. Afterwards, maybe it'll be healing time for Shinn. Heck, maybe he'll be brought on Archangel. But that would really make Destuny even more like a rehash of Gundam Seed so I guess it won't happen.
One thing we all like to see in the end: THE HUNT FOR LORD JIBRIL!!!!! By the Gods, I hope that that ass finally shows himself in the Girty Lue and finally Archangel and Minerva have a worthy target. And Kira can finally finds someone he can kill with no remorse. That guy is one of the most evil person I've ever seen. Anyone who can watch the slaughter of cities with glee deserves a slow roasting death underneath Freedom's lightsaber. To keep on killing others just because they think Coordinators are OK... that stinks of Fascism. Heck, even his colleagues were afraid of the huge degree of damage Destroy could dish out.
Hell, at least Azrael got his hands dirty by participating in the battles. That guy is still in his room stroking his damn cat.
You see a few of them in one of the first few scenes when Sting and Neo are hovering watching Stellar kill things.
The ep highlights the point that Freedom and Archangel are just a nuisance, sure they fight for a cause but all they have done in destiny so far is cause confusion on the battlefield...
Overall it was a pretty good ep though. 1 thing i wonder bout is (i wonder if anybody else noticed) when cagalli launchs in the strike rouge, There is no Athna logo on its shoulders yet in the intro and this pic it has logos on it.
http://www.seedgenesis.net/ind.../destiny/strikerouge..
I also think we'll see Jibril get his hands dirty soon just as Azrael did in Seed with most likely a similar situation....
Clumsy of me to miss it indeed, but reading through the rest of the post it looked like this guy (girl?) took the liberty of talking about the Gundam series in such a way that it looked like he/she knew more than he/she did. It was not a strange mistake to make.Quote:
Originally posted by: Curium
First, I still want to know where Buster and Duel are!
Go back to the original post and read THE REST OF THE SENTANCE. You took it completely out of context Terra. The sentance was "Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series that I've seen so far"Quote:
Originally posted by: Terracosmo
How is this a more true sequel than Z Gundam or ZZ Gundam was? Or Endless Waltz for that reason? (if you count OAVs/movies).Quote:
Originally posted by: Raquelcasull
Being the first true sequel to a Gundam series
Also, I hate the following: "Go back to the original post and read THE REST OF THE SENTANCE."
Don't ever fucking write that again. I have been here for 2 years longer than you and missing a few damn letters in that time is not bad. So don't you dare try to make me look like some douche that can't read. That approach of yours is so entirely uncalled for.
I thought Destroy went down so easy.. And for the first time a gundam was taken out buy regular mobile suits.. I mean Orb forces went down easily before but now, 3+Cagali took Chaos down.. It feelt so wrong..
i wonder with all the work Neo ordered them to do to Sting (Erasing both Auel and Stellar) that he lost some of his skills. As irrational as it is thats one explanation as to why Sting sucked.
Another explanation (one i reckon is correct) could be that the orb pilots are actually really good, i think if you stuck them in say Strike or Aegis they would be on par with Mwuu or Lunamaria in there respective suits. The difference is that there MS isnt supposedly as good so there a bit like Athrun,Yzak and Dearka in Yaku's.
Sting clearly should have had his unit spilt up and shoot down the multiple Orb suits only to be killed by cagalli in her strike after seing her pilots get vaped (that would have been great to see her kill somebody)
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Originally posted by: Souryusen
About time that annoying lunatic got offed.
Coulndt have said better myself!
I was wishing for her death for a long time.
The lamest characther in all of the Gundam's i have seen so far even Fray was alot better.....
Maybe it's switchable [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: LokeXero
1 thing i wonder bout is (i wonder if anybody else noticed) when cagalli launchs in the strike rouge, There is no Athna logo on its shoulders yet in the intro and this pic it has logos on it.
http://www.seedgenesis.net/ind.../destiny/strikerouge..
Destroy got owned and I am happy stupid Stellar got what she deserved. SERVES YOU RIGHT FOR KILLING OFF HEINE AND HIS AWESOME MS, STELLAR!!!! I don't know why Kira didn't just do that from the start. It appears that its shield goes down when it uses the chest cannons it can't just shoot through it.
First off don't compare Mwu to Lunamaria they arn't even close in ability. Next it seemed that Sting was more distracted during the fight normally 3 on 1 wouldn't even remotely be a issue. Also note that the orb suits are far better then the basic suits on any other side its been stated regularly that orb has the best tech.Quote:
Originally posted by: LokeXero
i wonder with all the work Neo ordered them to do to Sting (Erasing both Auel and Stellar) that he lost some of his skills. As irrational as it is thats one explanation as to why Sting sucked.
Another explanation (one i reckon is correct) could be that the orb pilots are actually really good, i think if you stuck them in say Strike or Aegis they would be on par with Mwuu or Lunamaria in there respective suits. The difference is that there MS isnt supposedly as good so there a bit like Athrun,Yzak and Dearka in Yaku's.
Sting clearly should have had his unit spilt up and shoot down the multiple Orb suits only to be killed by cagalli in her strike after seing her pilots get vaped (that would have been great to see her kill somebody)
My assumption would be more along the lines they wern't able to fully repare Chaos after the last time Kira destroyed it because do note at no point does sting transform the suit which is very uncharacteristic of him as in any other battle he did so regularly.
First they made us think it was Freedom, then Calamity. Who knows?Quote:
Originally posted by: naruto22OK, now that I think of it, maybe it was Kira who accidentally killed Shinn's family.
Kira a pacifist? You have got to be kidding me. If he'd be a pacifist, he'd be the last person to pilot the Freedom. He understands the use of force but he doesn't want people to get killed.Quote:
But please, since when did Shinn's ideals coincide with Kira's? Kira is a pacifict, Shinn is an aggressor. Shinn's style is very like a berserker with little thought of defence while Kira hasn't killed anyone since Gundam Seed Phase 50. Well, not directly anyway. Shinn's simply does not believe that peace is possible with the Earth Alliance which is why he joined ZAFT while Kira is constantly looking for a way to get both sides to look for peace. Kira, in spite of all he has seen, still has hope, while Shinn has none.
The thing I'm trying to coincide here is that both believe that they must protect the innocent. Kira wants to protect everybody but Shinn has his ideas a bit mixed up and clearly has made up his mind on "who the bad guy is". Kira knows that there are some whackos but people are kind at heart. I guess Shinn'll understand this some day - or then he'll go all Anakin on us.
I hope you are thinking for yourself and not just quoting what Athrun thinks. Sure, the AA confused things on the battle field in previous eps, but in this one there was really nobody to confuse. Destroy was decimating everything in its path and the Archangel came to save the day. It's not like ZAFT forces on the ground had any chance against Destroy in the first place. In the end, when the AA arrived, it was purely AA vs. Destroy because there were virtually no ZAFT forces left. So no, the episode isn't highlighting anything like that. If it is, it's highlighting Stellar's anguish.Quote:
Originally posted by: LokeXeroThe ep highlights the point that Freedom and Archangel are just a nuisance, sure they fight for a cause but all they have done in destiny so far is cause confusion on the battlefield...
Maybe pacificst is too strong a word, but regardless, Kira always holds back his punches. He understand the great power he wields when he pilots Freedom and so he is always extra careful with it. Shinn never does and delights in using his power to destroy his enemies.
Guys, just give the Murasame pilots their credit. Actually, we should thank the Archangel crew for arriving because ORB would have smashed the Minerva if not for their interference. The power maneuverability of the Murasame was showcased today against Chaos, which supports the fact that aerodynamic designs is better in atmosphere, and that's why Murasames did well. They were fast, maneuverable and at the same time, could become a mobile suit.
Besides, Chaos transformed mode doesn't like aerodynamic at all, therefore probably can't match the speed of the Murasame. Its transformed mode reminds me of robotech fighters when they transform halfway, with the hands and legs sticking out but the cockpit still there.
Teamwork people, teamwork. Sting was right in the sense that it isn't the mobile suit that determines the battle, its the pilot. But teamwork always outsmarts one opponent, especially if the opponent is an arrogant ass who underestimated the Murasame because they were Natural operated.
Mwu La Fraga piloted Strike well after they redesigned the OS, its just he had the bad luck of matching against Crueze first with a GUAIZ, which is a significantly upgraded version of the CGUE (white colour fancy version of a Ginn for those who can't remember) with beam technology and saber claws. And what does he face next.... PROVIDENCE!!!!! The guy was just plain unlucky: he didn't have a chance to fight fair and square against a Coordinator so we have no way of knowing how Fraga really does in a Mobile suit.
Assuming Neo is Fraga though, he did fight well against Kira with a Windam before Kira finally shot him down.
By the way, Archangel didn't barge into anyone's fight this time. Archangel was merely responding to distress calls and answered. Somebody had to stop Destroy, and Minerva wasn't close enough at the time. And Cagalli made good use of herself to protect civilians while the murasame took care of Chaos.
Damn it, I can't help getting enough of the Murasames. They deserve the win, that's all I can say.
Shinn, so much for losing your virginity. May you die with it intact.... joking guys. Kira would have fared better if he kept his intact instead of being seduced by that #!$*#@!%@#%)$&!^()$& Flay Alster.
By the way, do you all find some similarities between Flay and Shinn? Both utterly set in their ways, stubborn to positive encouragement, aiming to exterminate the enemy, think they are right and everybody else wrong.... OK, so maybe their different and I'm stretching a bit. But one thing is for certain.....
90-100% OF US HATE THEM!!!!
Oh well, we will see what they have in store for Shinn soon.
I really pitied Stellar. Imagine the fear Neo instilled in her of the unknown which caused her to cause so much death and destruction. On the one hand, we condemn her for the the huge amount of destruction, yet as we see her in the cockpit, she's simply a child who has been put at the helm of a city destroyer. Who has been taught that everyone else is a monster and that she must kill to protect herself from death. Even as she blasted the city, I couldn't really hate her after seeing her fearful face, constantly afraid and insecure. Why do you think Neo had to be near? To control her from going berserk, which she finally did after seeing Neo downed by Freedom. Oh no you don't, don't you all dare blame Kira for causing Stellar to go berserk. It was Neo who prepared her that way and now the city pays the price for Stellar's indocrination and brainwashing.
Its truly different from seeing a cool calculated mind like Crueze for example behind Destroy. Hating Crueze who kills for the fun of it and for his perverse view of humanity isn't difficult. but how can you hate a child that was simply given a big gun and told to shoot people or the Big Bad Wolf will get them?
In this sense, I give Destiny its credit and orginality from Gundam Seed. But I really wish they had'nt killed Stellar.
If there is anyone to hate, it is Lord Jibril and his organisation who created the Extended in the first place. Genetically creating human weapons while condemning Coordinators is the height of hypocrisy. And now we see the victim through Stellar, a simple minded child who just so happens to have been taught to kill since young.
May he die a slow death,
If you watch carefully, he does transform it 1 time. When he is dodgeing the Gottfried blast from the Archangel he transforms as he spins. I replayed that scene slowly to make sure because I had been thinking the same thing before I saw it.Quote:
Originally posted by: DDBen
My assumption would be more along the lines they wern't able to fully repare Chaos after the last time Kira destroyed it because do note at no point does sting transform the suit which is very uncharacteristic of him as in any other battle he did so regularly.
Is that on Rizon?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Curium, don't be a douche and idle only in Cellphones^2 channel. If you're gonna be on IRC, come to #gotwoot on irc.gotwoot.net
Hmm upon rewatching it almost frame by frame it seems your correct as he barrel rolled away it does seem that he transformed for about 2 seconds. In that case its a simple fact of sting is a horrible pilot.Quote:
Originally posted by: Curium
If you watch carefully, he does transform it 1 time. When he is dodgeing the Gottfried blast from the Archangel he transforms as he spins. I replayed that scene slowly to make sure because I had been thinking the same thing before I saw it.Quote:
Originally posted by: DDBen
My assumption would be more along the lines they wern't able to fully repare Chaos after the last time Kira destroyed it because do note at no point does sting transform the suit which is very uncharacteristic of him as in any other battle he did so regularly.
Ok, where to start.....
Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.
Number 2. Everyone who said they're glad Stellar....you should be ashamed of yourselves, honestly. I'll leave it at that.
Number 3. Yeah....Sting died stupidly. I do agree there.
Number 4. Kudos for going ahead with Neo/Mwu+Mirrue. A little too quick, I'd say (could've had him get up from the fall after a while sans mask and Mirrue gets a GLISPE before he runs off....dramaaa). In any case, it'll be quite interesting from here on out. "New enemy", eh, Kotono-chan [narrator]? Hmmmm.....
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Originally posted by: Curium
Is that on Rizon?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Curium, don't be a douche and idle only in Cellphones^2 channel. If you're gonna be on IRC, come to #gotwoot on irc.gotwoot.net
#gotwoot @ irc.gotwoot.net
So no, it would not be on rizon... We moved from rizon.net to gotwoot.net. We have our own network. There's a thread in the Announcements forum and in General Discussion..
Pay attention!
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Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....
Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.
Number 2. Everyone who said they're glad Stellar....you should be ashamed of yourselves, honestly. I'll leave it at that.
Number 3. Yeah....Sting died stupidly. I do agree there.
Number 4. Kudos for going ahead with Neo/Mwu+Mirrue. A little too quick, I'd say (could've had him get up from the fall after a while sans mask and Mirrue gets a GLISPE before he runs off....dramaaa). In any case, it'll be quite interesting from here on out. "New enemy", eh, Kotono-chan [narrator]? Hmmmm.....
Number 1: Shinn is gay and has retarded ideals etc etc. So I hope his ass dies.
Number 2: Im glad that bitch died
Number 3: ya I agree he died without much of a fight.
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Originally posted by: Mite Gai
Destroy got owned and I am happy stupid Stellar got what she deserved. SERVES YOU RIGHT FOR KILLING OFF HEINE AND HIS AWESOME MS, STELLAR!!!! I don't know why Kira didn't just do that from the start. It appears that its shield goes down when it uses the chest cannons it can't just shoot through it.
Because the last thing Kira wanted to do is kill stellar. But he was forced to do it in the end.
1 kira rules and shin must die the only way shin will win is if kira is fighting with a serious disadvantage and only shin uses seedQuote:
Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....
Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.
Number 4. Kudos for going ahead with Neo/Mwu+Mirrue. A little too quick, I'd say (could've had him get up from the fall after a while sans mask and Mirrue gets a GLISPE before he runs off....dramaaa). In any case, it'll be quite interesting from here on out. "New enemy", eh, Kotono-chan [narrator]? Hmmmm.....
4 neo is mwu (I think)
it was kira that manipulated flay becouse he is Evil in the cool way (this is afcourse a theory of mine and not a fact)Quote:
Originally posted by: naruto22
Shinn, so much for losing your virginity. May you die with it intact.... joking guys. Kira would have fared better if he kept his intact instead of being seduced by that #!$*#@!%@#%)$&!^()$& Flay Alster.
It would be funny if Shinn killed Kira. Just to see the reaction of everybody.
Shinn is the only one left now who can blow Freedom up so its likely Kira will at least get his ass beat by Shinn.
I still don't get why some people think Shinn is gonna go after Kira because his family got caught in the crossfire. I mean I suppose he was probaly angry at Freedom during the shock, but once he sat down and thought about it, he came to the conclusion that it was it Attha's fault. Which I do agree, Shinn and his family should not have been on that island when EA attacked. (Didn't they have two days before the EA finally attacked?)
Shinn doesn't strike me as the type that has ever thought about anything.Quote:
Originally posted by: XwingRob
I still don't get why some people think Shinn is gonna go after Kira because his family got caught in the crossfire. I mean I suppose he was probaly angry at Freedom during the shock, but once he sat down and thought about it, he came to the conclusion that it was it Attha's fault. Which I do agree, Shinn and his family should not have been on that island when EA attacked. (Didn't they have two days before the EA finally attacked?)
Shinn skips the thinking process and jumps to his emotional reactions.
well i kinda got some more respect for kira in this ep, cause het didnt seem "allpowerfull", and his jedi moves were cool............but still he need to die XD
and for ptx ( the i-hate-wings-on-gundams-guy)
you could cleary c in this ep freedom uses his wings for extended mobility, at that part where chaos and windam close in on him, he repositions the wings
WOW! You suuure showed me.Quote:
Originally posted by: kyubisrage
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Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....
Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.
Number 1: Shinn is gay and has retarded ideals etc etc. So I hope his ass dies.
"Shinn is gay"
Damn, I canNOT fight back from that! *fakes a fetal position in a corner*
"hope his ass dies"
This, I can rebute.
That 'hope' you have is irrational and exclamatory. GSD will turn into a horrible, horrible scar, should it's main character die, especially by the first main character's hands. The only way I'll accept Kira killing Shinn would be if Shinn turns evil and it has to be done and even THEN, I'll be going wtf constantly anyway, so..... NO!
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Originally posted by: Curium
Shinn doesn't strike me as the type that has ever thought about anything.Quote:
Originally posted by: XwingRob
I still don't get why some people think Shinn is gonna go after Kira because his family got caught in the crossfire. I mean I suppose he was probaly angry at Freedom during the shock, but once he sat down and thought about it, he came to the conclusion that it was it Attha's fault. Which I do agree, Shinn and his family should not have been on that island when EA attacked. (Didn't they have two days before the EA finally attacked?)
True, but he must have come up with something after a year's time... heh.
I believe that Shinn (although I hate Shinn to some extent) does think sometimes. Like when Shinn decided to take Stellar back to Neo. He hacked the specs for Stellar's Gaia and got the code so that he could give her back. Now that took some thinking. Now how he abducted her and the fact that he held Neo to that promise was stupid. So all in all Shinn does think a little.
Now Stellar's death is in fact a group of peoples' fault.
First Neo. It is his fault for putting stellar in in the Destroy in the first place and telling her about scary things.
Next Sting. It is his fault for going down like a bitch and losing to three Orb suits while he was piloting a gundam with funnels. That was the most pathetic death in this series so far.
Now the Archangel. It's their fault for bringing Kira.
Now the Minerva. It's their fault for bringing the emotional Shinn.
Now Shinn. It's his fault for rushing in like some kind of wannabe Kira with a heroic attitude, cutting open the destroy's cockpit, and scaring the hell out of Stellar thus making the situation 1000 times worse than when it was when it was just Kira and the Archangel fighting because she became even more parinoid.
Finally Kira. It's his fault for just being there. He decided to shoot down Neo which nearly broke Stellar. He also didn't have to stab the positron cannon. He could have kicked Shinn out of the way dodged the blast and finally cut off one or both of Destroy's legs and letting it fall backwards as it fired its positron cannons. Then Kira could have slowly or quickly disabled all of the weapons that the Destroy had, or let Stllar completely lose it, shoot something and have some gun backfire resulting in Stellar killing herself.
I almost forgot Stellar. Its her fault for looking at the freedom instead of Shinn. If she really trusted Shinn with protecting her she would've stayed calm and NOT remembered what Kira did to Neo.
Destroy gundam wasn't right for Stellar anyways. Her attenion span and skill aren't large enough to fight with that suit. I believe that destroy was wasted on Stellar.
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Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
WOW! You suuure showed me.Quote:
Originally posted by: kyubisrage
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Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
Ok, where to start.....
Number 1. GUESS WHAT GUYS??? SHINN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!
He is NOT fucking going away! He won't die, at least not in THIS ep! "oh, if Kira was slower, blah blah BLAH"
Stfu, people! Kira is not God; he's a goddamn pussy who's too fucking overpowered to be taken seriously anymore. I've held that since the last third of Seed.
Holding back or not, he will have a damn hard time against Shinn and I juuust know you guys are gonna shit on it, like "oh, oh, Kira's holding back" or "so lame, Shinn hit him more". Grow up and enjoy the story! >< It's not about the character you like or don't like. It's how they are! And if you don't like how one is (gee, wonder who?), then at least make the show more enjoyable for yourself and be open-minded about the psychology involved with them.
Number 1: Shinn is gay and has retarded ideals etc etc. So I hope his ass dies.
"Shinn is gay"
Damn, I canNOT fight back from that! *fakes a fetal position in a corner*
"hope his ass dies"
This, I can rebute.
That 'hope' you have is irrational and exclamatory. GSD will turn into a horrible, horrible scar, should it's main character die, especially by the first main character's hands. The only way I'll accept Kira killing Shinn would be if Shinn turns evil and it has to be done and even THEN, I'll be going wtf constantly anyway, so..... NO!
Lol ok buddy ^_^. I wouldnt be shocked if shinn turns evil. He is too trigger happy.
What do you mean turn evil... Shinn has been evil from the get go his only motivation is revenge and his own ego. I can't give you an example of anyone Shinn has actually cared about period in this entire series from the point his parents died until now.Quote:
Originally posted by: kyubisrage
Lol ok buddy ^_^. I wouldnt be shocked if shinn turns evil. He is too trigger happy.
The only argueable exception is Stellar but I still feel that he passed her off to Neo just so that he would have someone to blame when she inevitably died. I gave extensive feedback about my feelings of Shinn's motivations for returning her in the discussion for the episode where he did.
yeah , i have no idea where shinns character is going. I mean there has to be something that will maybe fix his head up. U know what wud be really niice, if Shnn does end up damaging the freedom pretty bad, maybe cagalli wud meet up with him on the battlefield later on and seek revenge against him for screwing kira over. Shinn wud most likely be like wtf and i am not fitin this weakling coz i am too damn good after beating the freedom. Maybe then Cagalli will just go SEED mode or sumthin and do some damage to him or sumthin, and he'll be like oh shitt, what the hell i really suck. Maybe that will straighten out his character a little bit by giving him less to gloat about.
You know I realized something watching Kira and Shinn pilot in this episiode. How do they do all these complex movements with just pedals and those throttle thingies.
i wud try and justify it for u but honestly i have no idea. My only answer is , its a cartoon and while some things do make sense, not all do. Besides i dun think they need to bother us with the details of how their cockpit works anyhow coz if they had details, there wud be probably be actual things like mobile suits flying around in the world, but since there arent, i guess well just leave it at that. U cant really compare ideas like that to reality. Thats why one wud just tend to look away from that aspect and enjoy the show
Nice action ep. I liked Destroy a little better in after it transformed, and the detachable hands were a nice touch. Kira vs Destroy had some good scenes. It was also nice to see Cagalli actually accomplish something and have her soldiers actually achieve a victory. It could be argued that Sting went down to easily, but I prefer to think that the pilots were good and he was careless.
It was a little silly to let Stellar survive the destruction of her mobile suit only to die in Shinn's arms (ARRRRGGH! instead of NOOOOOO!, but I was close). I wonder how this will affect his character? Will he just be sad and broken? Will he want revenge? And if so, will he want revenge against Kira (who destroyed her suit), Neo (who put her in danger and is now conveniently a helpless prisoner), or the earth alliance (ultimately responsible for the conflict)? It will be interesting to watch how he reacts in the next ep.
Edit: To above, please type would instead of wud. I can deal with u for you, but wud? I mean, seriously.... And as we've discussed before "it's just a story or it's just a cartoon" isn't really a valid argument. A good story is internally consistant and plausable at some level allowing for viewers to enjoy it without beign distracted by thinking "this would never happen." If someone acts way out of character or something really unbelievable happens than people say things are "unrealistic." It's a sign of poor story telling and a valid complaint.
Edit tp below: Man, and right after I defended you too... oh well, I stand by my opinion.
Yeah I guess that you are right. We probably could not concieve it anyways.Quote:
Originally posted by: splash
i wud try and justify it for u but honestly i have no idea. My only answer is , its a cartoon and while some things do make sense, not all do. Besides i dun think they need to bother us with the details of how their cockpit works anyhow coz if they had details, there wud be probably be actual things like mobile suits flying around in the world, but since there arent, i guess well just leave it at that. U cant really compare ideas like that to reality. Thats why one wud just tend to look away from that aspect and enjoy the show
Personally I WOULD be shocked if he doesn't turn evil. He does exactly as we please without ever seeing any sign of consequences. He didn't even learn when his entire family was killed because his sister was too stupid to leave a cell phone behind and keep running. They just stood there while Shinn got it and waited to get blasted.Quote:
Originally posted by: kyubisrage
Lol ok buddy ^_^. I wouldnt be shocked if shinn turns evil. He is too trigger happy.Quote:
Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
The only way I'll accept Kira killing Shinn would be if Shinn turns evil and it has to be done and even THEN, I'll be going wtf constantly anyway, so..... NO!
lol@kyubi
Yeah, something that would make the series quite interesting is if Shinn, Kira, or Athrun turn evil, just so we could have a contrast to "Char's Counterattack".
Shinn - he IS an angry fellow, yes, so it'd be believable that he just says "Fuck it, I'm gonna kill everyone"....juuust like Dulindall, who at this time is supporting Shinn.
Kira - he's too peaceful, yet his ways will never work. He'll cave at the notion that war is necessary and will go nuts. This is possible, with Lacus being away from him. Notice that he became more of an ass after Lacus left (ep #27).
Athrun - Destiny....destiny that he tried running away from...that of his father's vision. He'll see how fucked the human race has become and become sucked into that Zala legacy. Of course, his notion would be completely clouded, and then Shinn or Kira (honestly, I'd prefer Kira here) would have to end him.
Thought-provoking, eh? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
that was a fun ep. Those 3 in the murasames remind me of those 3 girls that were the first pilots of the Astray. Looks like things will be slowing down a bit (as in action and fighting) from the preview of the next ep, which is great, since I really really wanna see the confrontation between Ramius and Neo when he wakes up. Can't help but wonder when in the world Lacus will appear again...hope she shoots Mia the next time we see her...Mia just needs to die, and soon. Stellar's death was more like "Awww, she died" but once Mia gets shot, well...I'll just leave that up to your imagination as to what I'll do.
btw, @ kinggalaxia how about all of them turn evil? Now that would be a nice twist [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
LOL @ king
I dont think athrun will turn evil. He will prob join AA again. Kira's ways might never work but have you seed gundam seed. Kiras way worked there.
i only hope that shin starts on a murderless path. killing innocents and do all kind of horrible things. this way, the creator can kill that faggot off.
i dont even think shinn is better than athrun. it would be nice if it will be athrun vs shinn theny shinn will be embarassed by athrun once he owns him.. that will put a BIG dent in his ego
I posting this here because we had been discussing who acctually killed Shinn's family. I don't have the episode of SEED where they were fighting outside Orb available to watch right now, but I found some SD Gundam SEED thing (it is in the FTP that was posted by Danholo Here) that was a remake of that scene. While I don't take it as cannon or anything, it did remind me of another possibility. I had completely forgotten about Forbidden. Instead of bad aim on Kira's part, it seems more likely to me now that Kira blasted Forbidden, but Forbidden deflected the blasts and one hit Shinn's family. Just really random bad luck.