Episode 82 Discussion *SPOILERS*

lmfao I am not saying that he will win against Itachi... all I am saying with him worn out... he would have a more of a upperhand then what Kakashi did. If Itachi had used the mangekyou on Gai and was worn out then if Kakashi was going to fight him after than he would have more of the uppper hand then what Gai did. So to me that person would be able to put up a better fight instead of getting their ass kicked right off the bat.

If that makes any sense... sounds better in my head then when I try to explain it.

somehow - somewhere - a forum will exist where people actually WATCH the episode and READ the subs so they can determine what ACTUALLY happens...

now - arguing over a hypothetical situation is absolutely worthless

concenring sasuke's sharingan - the genjutsu that Itachi uses is not one to be copied - it is a bloodline limit end of story - the sharingan ITSELF is a bloodline limit and sasuke will be able to develop that jutsu when he masters the sharingan (whatever the hell that means - nothing in particular seems to show development)

This is definetly my favorite episode so far.

I liked it much better then 81 animation wise and his background is much better then naruto and other kids + no sakura at all this whole episode [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

ITACHI is just so much tougher then the other leaf/sand/sound jounin's, plus looks and sounds a lot better then that noob sasuke,

Hopefully itachi kills a few leaf ninja's and his crappy partner who he really doesn't need just probably makes him do the dirty work so he doesn't have to show off.

Quick question. Just how good is Itachi without Sharingan?

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Originally posted by: IamSpazzy
Quick question. Just how good is Itachi without Sharingan?

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we're probably never gonna see itachi without his sharingan.

how good is itachi without the sharingan?

well considering he's a total bad ass character, i'd say he'd be pretty good......u dont make a villan with that much power be a one shot wonder, if u know what mean.......thats the "real world" explanation

now, as for the "anime world" explanation......he became ANBU captain at 13. U dont get a position like that just cuz u have a bloodline limit. remember anbu's track down missing nin's (well hunter nins do, but they're just a division of anbu anyway) and protect kage's and feudal lords. They have to be elite in every way, shape and form or else the mission mite fail. Also, he killed teh ENTIRE uchiha clan! they were also sharingan users, and im sure there were atleast 10-15 had completely mastered it....and fomr that there had to be 2 or 3 that could own like 3 jounins all at once......and yet none of them stood a chance against itachi, so hes gotta be pretty badass

I havent read a page of manga, but i just think that everyone talks about how Itachi killed the entire uchiha clan at like a really young age, I know hes all powerful and such, but it just seems like their HAD to be some strings attach

Imagine Neji trying to kill all of Hyuuga, it just doesnt seem plausible, even if Neji was 10 times stronger
unless there were strings attached or some wierd circumstance to it

plus the anime always mentions it, so there must be more to it than meets the eye

He could have killed them all in their sleep.

One more quesiton. does anyone know if Obito has a meaning in Japanese? Everyone thinks he's a Uchiha, but is it based on anything besides Kakashi probably got his sharingan from his teammate...the guy with the goggles?

Kakashi's team seens a bit like Naruto's, and the goggles on the other guy just reminds me of Naruto before he got his forehead protector

i don't think people truly understand how strong itachi really is. i truly believe that he is 2nd to last bad guy that we will be introduced to, if not, the final bad guy. i'm pretty sure everyone would agree that orochimaru is an EXTREMELY powerful ninja. but kishimoto made it seem as if itachi is even stronger than orochimaru by making orochimaru fear him. that part alone makes me believe that itachi is too many levels above bad guy before him for the storyline to bring in another, even stronger bad guy. i'm not sure if everyone can fully understand what i mean by that but i'm just trying to get at the fact that if another stronger baddy was introduced, then the story would go on for WAY too long, and i don't think the story has enough depth for that amount of longevity. there is no way for me or anyone else to explain it here in more detail in the anime forum without spoiling every other sentence. even if you were to read an explanation and read the manga up to where it is (ch 214), you probably still won't be able to grasp itachi's overall strength.

i'm probably gonna go put up a detailed explanation on my site later... but be warned, it'll contain many spoilers. however, i think it's going to be a real good reading for those who like to know more about what others think.

I do trust that Itachi is mega-powerful, the only reason i would think that there will be one more stronger than Itachi is that Sasuke MUST be the one to kill or at least defeat Itachi, but that leaves Naruto hanging and obviously since the anime is named Naruto, i would think that Naruto would defeat the ultimate baddy, like the overlord of all death or some crap like that, anyways i think that there is probably one stronger than itachi, unless they choose to make the anime 900 episodes long, and the manga who knows how long, in which case there may be way more villains way stronger than Itachi

I think mut@t@ is rite...itachi is like the ultimate villan so its not likely that we'll see someone even better after him (save for sasuke, who will in the end kill him and be the ultimate badass). If they kept comming up with new villans it would be too much like dragonball z or digiman or something, where as soon as they defeat the boss, u find out tehre was someone else pulling the strings from the shadows who's even stronger.....it'll b really gay.

Waht i see happening is that we'll see the other 6 member of the secret organization (atkasuki or something) and they will be defeated one by one untill we finally get to itachi (and hopefully we'll see oro comeback somewher along the way). thats probably where the series should end.

As for what gokudagreat said, ur rite, sasuke has to be the one to defeat itachi, but that doesnt' mean naruto needs a villan to defeat too (and if that is what they decide to do, it'll probably be oro). SInce its sasuke's goal to defeat his brother, that conflict will be solved once itachi is dead. but naruto's goal is to become hokage, so its likely that rather then having him face a villan, he'll probably just become uber strongm be recognized for saving the village or something, and it'll be implied that he will soon become the hokage (i dont see the kishimoto actually showing them all grown up).

They might do somehting like an X-men:Evoluion ending, where all the kids are shown grown up, and naruto will be hokage and sasuke will be rite beside him with sakura/kakashi/iruka and the rest all in one big group

But ya, i dont see anotehr villan after itachi

Well, what about the kyuubi. You'd never know, it might sumhow find a way to break the seal (or someone dispells it), then that could be the ultimate baddy. Then Naruto would finish what the 4th started using his own powers against the kyuubi. It will show how much he's grown throughout the series

82 was kewl... @_@ was surprised at itachi

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Originally posted by: gokudagreat
I do trust that Itachi is mega-powerful, the only reason i would think that there will be one more stronger than Itachi is that Sasuke MUST be the one to kill or at least defeat Itachi, but that leaves Naruto hanging and obviously since the anime is named Naruto, i would think that Naruto would defeat the ultimate baddy, like the overlord of all death or some crap like that, anyways i think that there is probably one stronger than itachi, unless they choose to make the anime 900 episodes long, and the manga who knows how long, in which case there may be way more villains way stronger than Itachi

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i don't think we're gonna see another villian after itachi. i think naruto will defeat orochimaru. i can't explain further since i'll end up spoiling.

EDIT: if you really want to know why, PM me. but i'll be spoiling.

Man, i know Itachi is super badass and all, but come on, the anime is called Naruto for god sakes, just admit that he will end up being the hero of the story, and theres probably someone out there stronger than Itachi

you guys say that itachi uses the sharingan all the time? just cause he has it on all the time doesnt mean he's more dependent on it than kakashi is......

in fact they made no reference whatsoever in him using his sharingan when he was fighting kakashi, except for that mange sharingan thing he did at the end, and he obviously had the upper hand even without using that move

there's a common practice in the entertainment business to not openly state details that the audience is expected to assume based on the rest of the story details. For example, you can tell a person's status and power just by the way other people treat them. If everyone was all acknowledging gai as he walks down the streets and admire him for his insane skills, then we could assume he's on a level way above that of any of the other konoha ninjas. But instead people tend to acknowledge jiraiya, kakashi, and anyone from the uchiha clan....
therefore one could use these hints to figure out that "hey, these people MUST be pretty strong".....nobody really acknowledges gai, however....in fact even kakashi kinda ignores him half the time. Sure gai is probably strong, but just because we havent seen him lose yet doesnt mean that he's invincible.....gai even knows this himself, which is why he wanted asume to back him up and try to hold them until reinforcements arrive

in fact, the reference of gai and kakashi being nearly tied in wins/losses is supposed to hint to the audience that they are on the same level....and an even BIGGER hint about a potentially good fight (even bigger than gai pointing out a flaw in the sharingan, which i'd like to add doesnt actually put gai in any sort of advantage, in fact it decreases his vision of the target....it just prevents him from being vulnerable to the most powerful moves of the sharingan)...and that is sasuke vs itachi.....i think the whole "only another sharingan user from my clan can beat me" line is a good example of foreshadowing

EDIT: Thanks Mut@t@, i try to remind people that Naruto is, in fact, a tv show....and so there are some guidelines that its supposed to follow because of that [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
you guys say that itachi uses the sharingan all the time? just cause he has it on all the time doesnt mean he's more dependent on it than kakashi is......

in fact they made no reference whatsoever in him using his sharingan when he was fighting kakashi, except for that mange sharingan thing he did at the end, and he obviously had the upper hand even without using that move

there's a common practice in the entertainment business to not openly state details that the audience is expected to assume based on the rest of the story details. For example, you can tell a person's status and power just by the way other people treat them. If everyone was all acknowledging gai as he walks down the streets and admire him for his insane skills, then we could assume he's on a level way above that of any of the other konoha ninjas. But instead people tend to acknowledge jiraiya, kakashi, and anyone from the uchiha clan....
therefore one could use these hints to figure out that "hey, these people MUST be pretty strong".....nobody really acknowledges gai, however....in fact even kakashi kinda ignores him half the time. Sure gai is probably strong, but just because we havent seen him lose yet doesnt mean that he's invincible.....gai even knows this himself, which is why he wanted asume to back him up and try to hold them until reinforcements arrive

in fact, the reference of gai and kakashi being nearly tied in wins/losses is supposed to hint to the audience that they are on the same level....and an even BIGGER hint about a potentially good fight (even bigger than gai pointing out a flaw in the sharingan, which i'd like to add doesnt actually put gai in any sort of advantage, in fact it decreases his vision of the target....it just prevents him from being vulnerable to the most powerful moves of the sharingan)...and that is sasuke vs itachi.....i think the whole "only another sharingan user from my clan can beat me" line is a good example of foreshadowing

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wow. this post right here should be sticky'd. preach on brotha.

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now - arguing over a hypothetical situation is absolutely worthless

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Um, if we didn't do that, we wouldn't need a forum, as its pretty much the only thing to do here. You can only talk about a 20 minute long episode once a week for so long before the discussion roams into what COULD happen rather than what did.

Otherwise, the conversations would just die out, quick, and then...what would we need to come here for?

I'd be shocked if Itachi was the final villain of the series .. as a matter of fact (not a spoiler - just an opinion..) Itachi seems both weaker and more sympathetic in the anime compared to the manga. Itachi also has something else holding him back, and that is the 'zero-personality-no-jutsu' technique he has .. it's like he works as hard as he possibly can to be absolutely and completely boring. Hard for someone so utterly devoid of any memorable personality to be credible and effective as a villain. Kisame, while probably many times weaker than Itachi, at least is interesting to watch ..

Another problem with the 'Itachi-as-last-villain' theory, is that Kishimoto has Sasuke dialed up as the obvious protagonist character to take him down .. which wouldn't work for a couple of reasons ..

(1)- It will take Sasuke QUITE some time to get strong enough to even stand against someone the likes of Itachi .. maybe a hundred anime episodes at the minimum? All this while, it's pretty likely that we would see a new primary villain appear to replace Orochimaru ..

(2)- Having the main villain of the entire series being defeated by a secondary character (and a one-dimensional one, at that) .. would be staggeringly anticlimatic.

(3)- I don't want to get into anything from the Manga, but Itachi has already started a cycle of failure .. verbally dismissing the encounter as 'nonsense', but retreating nonetheless .. hardly the style of an ultimate villain.

(4)- Udon pwns Itachi any day of the week [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Well iam not so sure that Naruto will be th eone to save the day at the end of the series, i mean yeah sure thats the traditional way and its what everyone expects because the anime is called naruto. but the best films dont have the most expected endings. its stated that naruto isnt the kinds of guy thats at the centre of the story (thats bad paraphrasing however). now while this may have been to further his performance in the chuunin exam we cant be sure, it could be a direct hint that infact he WONT be the main character come the end show. perhpas he is a supporting role character, it is after all what his entire character is about, helping the people he cares for, and it wouldnt be too far fetch to assume he dies for this cause (read that as saving NOT killing somone to save the day).

also about the villans, i dont think this will be anywhere near the last villain, as we have ye tot be introduced to the othe rmemebers of itachis orginization. there has been nothign mentioned of the sand's intent on revenge and what consequences it could bring about ( i mean on oro not on konoha), we still have to be introduced to the other villages as well. and if you DO adhere strictly to the view that nartuto is the hero and he will beat everyone and he will become the hokage (as i think some people here will be) and unwilling to listen to alternate theorys then i still think he is a LONG way off of becomeing hokage, unless of course if everyone has a huge war wiht the organization and they all die except for naruto!