Hmmm I don't like the whole thing... in my opinion the TV-sized version sounds much better!
even though I somehow like this "effect" @ 0:34 ^^
its good up to ~2:30
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Hmmm I don't like the whole thing... in my opinion the TV-sized version sounds much better!
even though I somehow like this "effect" @ 0:34 ^^
its good up to ~2:30
That's probably the catchiest part of the whole song. Like you said, it just sorta fell apart at the end. Doesn't have the same feel to it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
As for the third song.....wtf. And they manage to do it for 8:10
Maybe I just don't appreciate their style much. I do like the OP, both tv and long version. It's not the best, but there's MUCH worse.
Both versions are pretty good but I think I'm leaning towards the tv version like you guys. I find myself listening to the full version alot lately though...
I do not see this deserving it's own thread, as it should have been attached to this episode.
As this week's episode was replaced with something stupid, all we get this week is a preview for next week:
[gg] Code Geass R2 - 09-10 Preview
See no reason to whine, we already knew that we wouldn't get the episode this week and we know why, so let's just be happy instead that we get a double-ep for next week.
I don't believe I was conveying a whining tone of any sort. We knew last week that a special just like every run-of-the-mill variety show on Japanese television was superseding this week's episode, with only the loosest of connections to the actual series (a voice actress playing some side character). Given that those kind of shows rarely (if ever) appear on American television anymore, I do not think I was out of line describing it "stupid."
(Though now this post carries a "defensive" tone due to your misconstrued view on the tone of my last post.)
Ryllharu needs to stop throwing the dictionary at people. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
anyways no ep this week, and more things to go on questioning in this series...
Since its previewing episodes 9 and 10....Im assuming that both will come out next week?
I didn't think of that. But if that's the case...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by vejita613
From the preview though, I'm surprised the BK and the Chinese are having a conflict so early.
http://www.ggkthx.org/
It appears that I am wrong =/
Here it is.
Code Geass R2: Episode 09 by Chihiro
EDIT: I will wait for more people to watch it before I comment.
Wait, does this mean only one episode will get released this week? Then the preview from before is a gigantic spoiler.
Thanks for the link.
Will watch it ASAP (after formula 1) and update.
I'm just baffled at this show.
I can't say more because everyone should rejoice watching it without any hints!
Here is the gg one.
Code Geass R2: Episode 09 by gg.
I didn't watch last week's preview, and i guess others didn't either, so if its such a spoiler, it'd be nice not to discuss it here!
I find it weird that Zero lost to his brother because of pride. I don't remember him being in such a situation before, but he's shown enough ruthlessness before that pride shouldn't get in the way of his objectives.
Don't worry. I am not planning to discuss it here. Rather, my comment should serve as a warning for others who do not want to be spoiled before watching this episode.
Lelouch almost died in S1 because of his pride. Remember when he tried to confront Cornelia despite C.C.'s warnings and had to get his ass saved. That was all because of his pride.
Schneizel's last move was forbidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darknodin
But Lelouch couldn't use that argument since this move was all about innerfire and white king action, with pure intentions and so on.
Should Lelouch argue, he would've been seen as cheap. Truth is the match was a draw, that's all. They needed to play again. But to me a draw is already a loss for Lelouch, more over he was clearly inferor as the threefold was due to him having no more options for he lost too many pieces.
Scheizel's last move was impossible rule wise, then useless chess wise.
But was very important for image and to understand his oponent's psychology, as he stated.
But the threefold rule is a draw for a reason. The fact that Lelouch was able to make such a situation possible despite having fewer pieces is a testament to his skill, which even Schneizel recognizes rivals his own. As I am sure you know, the number of pieces on hand is only a small part of chess. Positioning is also key.
The move was indeed illegal according to chess rules, but the rationale behind that is because it would be like surrendering by allowing the opponent to take the King (which is done by resigning, and only a fool would do it by mistake). The chess match was a definite draw, but Lelouch lost the more important battle this time by letting his personality be read by his opponent, a fatal mistake, but also a great opportunity in the future if he is able to deal with his prideful stubbornness.
Well, Tian Zi is cute. A little annoying at the end repeatedly calling for Xing Ke, but cute nonetheless.
I think if there is anything that pisses me off more than some of the shit the Britannian's and Suzaku have been doing, it's slimy ministers like the eunuchs that use their leader as a puppet for their own ends.
Still, the one that really shined for me this episode was Kaguya. She's very close friends with Tian Zi, so that should impart some trust of Zero in Tian Zi. Not to mention her excellent verbal sparring with Suzaku and Schnizel when the three of them entered. Just as she moves normally, she spun and danced all around the political bullshit and made Suzaku lose some face.
Five stars for Milly's dress.
Now there are plenty more reasons to hate Nina. From all her hyperlesbian cries for her fallen idol, insults to Suzaku, downright nasty words for her best friend, and all the other whining, there won't ever be a time or any conditions I would not hate her. Especially for the way she treated Milly. She's blind if she thinks that Milly never did anything for her. She put herself squarely in the middle of the absolute highest amount of danger when she tried to persuade Nina out of the Nuclear Knightmare. Nina is so disgustingly blinded by Euphie it is sickening.
At least Kallen showed her what for.
And we get yet another Kallen x Lelouch moment, whereas we also get a C.C. x Pizza moment xD
This series needs more C.C.! It's as if she has become just another background character.
Quite interesting development. Lelouch's plan can't be as brutish as it seems at the end of this episode, I reckon, but exactly what it contains remains to be seen. He might geass Tian Zi for forced cooperation, and it might not even be a bad thing, but who knows. I guess it depends on the complexity of his plan. But with his geass plans don't need to be so complex. We can't forget, either, that there are still some high ranking British people in the country, so Lelouch would also have chances to orchestrate a conflict causing a war between Britannia and China, thus sealing China's destiny to a one favorable to the Black Knights.
In any case it's high time for action, and the next ep should have some. With or without our old immortal friend: Orange-kun.
Edit: Oh. Where's Rollo? Was he in this ep?
Yeah, I didn't see Rollo anywhere. Maybe he's on a mission by his lonesome?
Wonder what this means for Xing Ke? He tries to topple the Black Knights?
That's a very good question. I don't generally discount anything Lelouch does as sloppiness or lack of planning, and thus I reckon there almost has to be a reason why he pissed off Xing Ke. After all, he could have simply cooperated as well, but now Lelouch pretty much opposed him. Thus it seems like a bit too easy option that Lelouch would simply geass the empress and thus ultimately gain also Xing Ke, because the dude wouldn't probably disobey should Tian Zi ask for something. However, such a thing would render Lelouch's brutish act somewhat redudant.Quote:
Originally Posted by animus
I seem to remember Xing Ke coughing up blood in the previous episode, so I deem he is going to die soon. This makes me think Lelouch intends to use him for some nefarious plot that somehow either makes the Chinese like the Black Knights more or China and Britannia hate each other more. Well, it could be something else as well, but I don't believe Lelouch would simply piss off a man of his calibre for no reason at all.
It's also worth remembering that since Kaguya likes Tian Zi so much, I can't see Lelouch mistreating her too much.
Uh, just watched the episode.
What a shitty one.
Having seen this episode i have to say that the 1st season was far better.
The 2nd seasons seems to get nowhere. This episode hat so much unnecessary scenes...
And Zero just cant win in this season...the chess-play was cancelled, sigh.
and wth was that cheap scene change...at one moment we saw the celebration, the next we´re at the wedding...i thought the episode was over and it was the preview for next week, but now...was weird.
And the "Xing Ke...Xing Ke....Xing Ke"...was extremely embarrassing to watch. The ridiculous movement of the little princess, lol. Felt retarded.
I really hope they speed up the important parts of the story, right now it all feels so unimportant.
It's probably just because you lack any sort of understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I don't even know where to start...Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
You rant about the "unnecessary scenes", yet you don't like how they skipped right to the wedding. Everything in between would have been unnecessary. The party thing took place late at night, and the wedding was in the next morning. What would you like to see in between?
He wanted to see Lelouch explaining in full detail his plan to crash the wedding clearly.
That would have been epic.
^^ I wanted more Kallen x Lelouch in between.
And I never noticed Milly being that big. lawl.
Questions about the manga, how many chapters are there so far? Is it finished? And about what chapter is the anime around? Just wondering, because this series is too good and I don't want it to end with just 2 seasons. :(
The TV series actually comes before the manga. They just make it up as they go along.
I for one want this series to end with just two seasons... I hate it when shows never end. at worst, they can do an "episode 2" type of sequel like in Macross. But they must finish this particular story.
Orange for Emperor!
Oh I see..Quote:
Originally Posted by Board of Command
btw.... Is that Orange-kun at the end?
- Location of Rollo: He's with the rest of the student council back in Japan strangely enough. You can see him sitting in a chair behind Rivalz and Shirely while Rivalz yells about the broadcast cutting out.
- Yes, Milly has always been that big. Her uniform has been a very snug fit since episode 1 of season 1.
- C.C. has become a titular character, and to be honest it is a bit disappointing. I'm sure with Orange returning, she'll become much more important, but I'll admit while all the Kallen development is great, this season is severely lacking in the C.C. x Lelouch interaction that made the first season so much fun to watch. No one verbally foils him quite as well.
Jeremiah seems to be at the heart of some research project to develop an artificial geass, which seems very close to completion. His conversation with V.V this episode makes me believe even more so that this is true. They still haven't explained what happened with him and C.C last season. I wonder if the emperor's researchers were somehow able to capture C.C, and obtain from her what they needed to finish their research. At this point, the emperor just seems to want her dead.
Also, in regards to Lelouch's geass inhibiting lense, which has been discussed in a past thread, I am sure its not a very specific type of lense that could ONLY be useful to Lelouch. It would be too convenient for C.C to have something like that. Geass seems to manifest itself in very different ways for different users, which leads me to believe that the lense could be useful for inhibiting any number of geass abilities. How does C.C happen to have a special lense like that, and if she has always had access to such items, why couldn't she have used something like that to help out Mao in the past?
I wonder if this lense is based on the same 'technology' as whatever Jeremiah is covering his eye with to keep himself sane. A rendezvous with Britannian researchers would sure explain why she just happens to have one of these things on her.
Btw, this is just random speculation.
It would be nice if it turned out like that, or similar. C.C's mystery's been a key part of the story for the earlier parts of Season 1, and it would suck for her clash of agenda with V.V. to simply become a side story along side Lelouch's. I suspect we'll be let in to the full details of Lelouch's plan next episode, but through characters like Kallen and Toudou as they realise what's going on.
I am pretty sure the reason why there is very little screen time for C.C. is because she and her story are going to take over the entire show for the entire second half. Nothing about her has been explained yet, and it was never code geass style to just reveal everything in one go, so I bet there will be a series of events that will develop her character, and consequently her relationship with Lelouch. I have to admit this is partly wishful thinking (and still does not excuse the absence of the best character in the show as well as all of anime) but geass has yet to give me any major disappointment. In fact, I am quite surprised I am enjoying the show this much with only 7 seconds of C.C. in the entire episode.
Will it end with this season? I highly doubt it. I think they are going to milk this extremely popular franchise for another season.
I wonder about that. It's pretty clear story wise it wasn't meant to end with only one season, so it's reasonable to think they wrote a manuscript worth two seasons at least. However, I don't think in the anime industry it's any given fact an anime original show will be a huge success like you could assume an anime based on a very popular manga could be. If Geass had been less popular we would probably have been left with an unconclusive or shortened ending at the end of the season one. However, writing three seasons worth of scripts when you don't know if the thing will win or fail..? I don't know. I could see this ending with just two seasons. It could be a bad sign if it continues to a third season as it just might mean they are stretching the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
See, in season one of Code Geass, it went from one exciting mission to another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Board of Command
Remember Lelouch´ first appearance as he lead the terrorists.
Then we have the big battle on that mountain, where Cornelia participated.
Then there´s these other japanese liberation front, that "kidnapped" a whole building, where Euphemia was, accidently, as well.
And so on.
Season 2 has nothing like that, even more so, it seems all plans of Lelouch fail, at least to some degree. He couldnt save his sister, he couldnt clearly win the chess-game, and and and.
What i mean with "unncecessary scenes" is, that the introduction to the celebration was way too long. They should have started the chess game earlier, focused on it, Lelouch should have won, thus being able to go on with his plan of overtaking the whole group of people with his Geass, and so on. But nothing. The series was more straight forward in season one. Maybe you can understand that. I mean, Code Geass season 2 is far from being really bad, but i liked season 1 better.
Well in season 1, he was more playing wit the surprise effect and the advantage his geass gave him.
But the opposition he had wasn't high enough.
In season 2 he his facing stronger ennemies and clearly needs to change how he acts, or maybe he already shows his limits, although he has a geass.
The scenarists show that past the surprise effect, things get more difficult and you may have difficult times. that's facing it and maybe be able to go through that make the show even more interresting. Or you have yet another show with the invicible lead character, that always win no matter what, without even scratching his principles and morals...
Lelouch isn't that typical character, he had difficult times, was strong at some points, is again facing difficult times/choices... had to scratch his principles and morals and still is fighting. He is more than a two dimensional character that are Pure and Strong...
More action =/= betterQuote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I like these mind games more than this senseless fighting in season 1.
Lelouch was always like "we have to prove that the japanese people are alive" and the next episode "we have to prove that the japanese people are strong"
and all in all everything went according to his plan which was actually pretty boring compared to this here, where he finally matches someone as intelligent as himself.
Not only that, he's in a real dilemma which makes everything even more exciting.
How will he get out of this?
And on the other side.. what are you expecting? Lelouch clearly lost(!) in season 1... He has to build everything up again, which isn't as easy as it was before because the enemy knew who he was and start to get a hang about Lelouch tactics, plus Britania is even stronger now, since they focus on the elevens... back then cornelia for example joined the fight very late... because they thought its just a "small" rebellion caused by some mere terrorist. The matter got much more serious towards the end and actually that was the time when Lelouch started loosing, even though his forces were much greater than they are right now.
Season one started with some dumb people getting beaten up by Lelouch and his Black Knights
Season two however... starts with the round of knights, the prince, the king and on top of that... everyone is prepared for lelouch revival.
And the most important part, Lelouch's only trump card in season 1 (which is the reason why he actually was able to win so much), the geass, is exposed... many important characters in season 2 know about it, and he's practically never able to use it. Season 1 depended on the geass to much, which is shown with the "all-time-active"-geass he gained...
In season 2 he rarely use it, because he can't
This is very true. I couldn't agree more. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
It's unexpected to me that Zero held the Empress as hostage. I thought Zero would help Xing Ke with the rebellion >.<.
Question is now, what Lelouch intends to do. I can't remember if he wants to destroy the Federation, or take control of it (brain's fried from exams, and I'm not even half way through). Either way, now that he's out of Area 11 and fighting on the world stage, he'll need to gather his resources. He's got backing from India right now, who themselves want to break away from the Chinese. Should the they fall apart right here now, India would have no more incentive to provide any more aid. Of course, should his plan be actually helping Xing Ke and his men, and the Empress recognises that after taking a position of power, then he'll be able to play with Britannia.
He takes the empress with him, cast the geass upon her and make her his slave.
like he did to the chinese messanger maybe. Thats what I thought he will do when he said "I'll take the empress with me"... but I'm pretty sure Zero will shock me once again and do something I'd never think about.
With the Chinese Federation at his side, a lot of things can happen ^^.
Well.. I doubt however that Lelouch is *that* cruel towards a small child.. especially someone like her.
Someone like Nunally, especially.
As of recent, it seems Lelouch has become more of a nice guy, with his new values considered. His invitation to Kallen shows this.
Yet his voice becomes more and more like that of a maniac.. which I totally like btwQuote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
his laughter at the end of this episode is what I seek in anime! I feel a chill everytime when I see someone acting all mighty and superior
poor Empress Tianzi though :(, don't hurt the lolis Lelouch! ya hear me!?
uhm btw.. I have a question: On which side is Russia in this war of the 3 big nations? They can't possibly be neutral... and it would be odd if they joined the EU forces because of political stuff etc.
Well, ok its a fictional "world" but I really wonder what they are doing, Russia is a big country it should be strong, they might lack economical strength but manpower alone can do a lot of things
Russia is part of the E.U.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Some things here. First off its very likely the lens was developed to help Mao in the past. Next C.C. specifically stated that once your Geass gets to strong it may no longer work. This tells me that Mao's geass likely became to strong for the lens to prevent it and likely when C.C. left Mao or while with him she squirreled it away somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
I can't believe someone started this up again...Quote:
Originally Posted by DDBen
Mao's Geass never required any kind of visual effort like Lelouch's and the Emperor's requires. His is -scratch that-, was more like Rollo's. Look back at the Mao episodes and remember when he was in the Academy library. He could hear the thoughts of everyone in the place, and was as usual, disgusted by their mindless chatter and concentrated back on C.C.'s voice. And before you even say that it had gotten stronger...there were flashbacks from when C.C. was caring for him when he was young...and it was exactly the same then. Maybe the range was less, maybe he could shut them out, but it was still purely based on proximity.
You two are still looking way too much into it. It's just an opaque contact lens from the outside that Lelouch can see through (like a two-way mirror) and it does not allow the visual frequency range light that Lelouch's (and the Emperor's) Geass requires to activate.
Your assuming that the contact only blocks a visual aspect of the Geass and there is no reason to assume thats actually true. Its possible its more like Kryptonite is to Superman and being the Geass regardless of how it works is manifested in the eye that its simply that your applying it directly to it and suppressing the powers of it no matter what they are or how they work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Also your assumptions on the past mean little. Those flashbacks could either be before the contact was made or after his Geass became to powerful to be suppressed by it so it means nothing.
edit:
Also note glasses are not enough to block Lelouch's Geass. So there is no reason to presume a normal contact lens would do anything to reduce its effect. Also Why would it stop working if his Geass got more powerful if it was blocking in the manor your claiming that simply doesn't work logically.
The simple fact that Mao's DID NOT WORK THAT WAY. I do not know how to make this any more clear or to convey it to you any other way. It's also clear as day from the flashbacks that it never did. There is absolutely zero proof that CC ever made a fucking worthless (given the way his worked) contact to Mao. I'm invalidating that claim with evidence from last season.
As to whether the contact works the way I believe (following the Keep It Simple Stupid principle) or if it is as you believe, and is some magical (in the context of the way the "thought elevators" work) mystery material, we can't say for sure. Three things will occur:
1. A later episode will prove me correct in that it's blocking some wavelengths of light (assuming Geasses work that way).
2. A later episode will prove you correct in that it is in fact some fantastical material that actually suppresses the capacity of a Geass-type ability from working.
3. The most likely scenario, is that the series will never touch on the contact lens again, because it was just a stupid contact lens that works the same damn way sunglasses or the helmet does (i.e. Geass can't be seen, Geass doesn't work), and the end result will be that the both of us are looking far more deeply into a complete non-issue.
So for the time being, drop it. There is no proof, so let it go until the series presents us with the slightest of information that would allow us to reassess where were are and take a renewed stance on the issue.
We've been through it once before (for longer than we had to), we do not need to revisit it now, and if it so happens to fall that I have been wrong and you are correct, so be it, I will eat my words.
EDIT: Lelouch's Geass goes through regular glasses because you can see through them. Enough to see the symbol in his eye, enough for it to do whatever mumbo-jumbo it does (be it some other wavelength of light, the effort of seeing it at all, whatever). Mao didn't need that. If they were in his range, he heard their thoughts.
@Ryllharu
There is proof its not a simple contact lens C.C. says it flat out when Lelouch says its probably not just a simple contact lens. That was this season and your right we went over that before the fact remains is its not exactly what your saying based on in show dialog.
Also I think its moronic to insist people stop discussing anything that doesn't have a clear answer this is a discussion topic if you don't care to participate in talking about or speculations about a certain theory don't but do not sit there and complain people dare discuss something.
You made your edit longer so let me further address it. First off we know knowthing about how Mao's Geass fully worked its all assumptions. The result was he heard or at least we are shown it as him "hearing" peoples thoughts. If we want to make this a visual Geass its pretty easy. He isn't HEARING anything instead his eye's cause him to see peoples thoughts by reading the electrical waves given off by the persons brain. The reason for the headphones/glasses which only somewhat dampened the effect is that the waves from his eye's that read the ambient brain waves floating around are somehow blocked by his skull so they come out of the holes in his head namely his ears and the eye's producing them but not anywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Initially the pulse that was put out by his eye's wasn't strong enough to also go out of his ears so placing a contact on them to dampen the waves from exiting his eye's was enough to block his Geass.
Also there is a strong possibility that the earphones did NOTHING to block his geass as they were mainly in place so he could listen to C.C's voice and as such its very possible the only important thing for muffling his Geass was the glasses. If this is true instead then it makes perfect sense that the contact could be used to block his ability despite how you think it works..
@DDBen - I think you misunderstood Ryll's point about seeing through the contact lens. Its about other people seeing through them, not Lelouch, obviously. I cannot begin to understand how you can assume the opposite from the way it was stated. He even mentioned the helmet, for crying out loud.
About the thing about stopping discussion... Discussion is all well and good, but all this has been said before. Repeating it here is a waste of space. Still, its not like its a crime so I do not necessarily oppose it.
As you say, it has been mentioned that there is something special about the lens (which may very well be the simple fact that Lelouch can see through them without letting the geass affect other people), and it may do something to inhibit Lelouch's geass, but I side with Ryll that it is highly unlikely that Mao's geass will be affected in the least by such a device.
Don't be pedantic about "hears thoughts" versus "mind's eye" or however you want to describe telepathy. Frankly, I know that that kind of debate is beneath you (as evident by our previous debates).Quote:
Originally Posted by DDBen
I might as well cover these in reverse order:
I never said the headphones did anything to block his Geass and you are putting words in my mouth (so to speak...) saying I did. It was very obvious what the headphones did. They distracted Mao from all the other shit flowing into his head. He concentrated only on her voice, remembering that he couldn't hear her thoughts either, and focused on that feeling, effectively blocking all the other voices.
All of that above about how Mao's Geass works is pure speculation on your part, and quite the leap as well. The sunglasses Mao wore were far more likely (again...KISS, Occam's Razor, whatever) to only serve the purpose of hiding his eyes because you could see that he had a Geass and normal people would immediately think, "WTF is wrong with that guy's eyes!"
I am not basing my own speculations on how Mao's Geass worked on baseless facts as you are, but solely on what we've seen in flashbacks with C.C. He "hears" the thoughts when his eyes are shut tight, snuggling up to C.C. for warmth, obviously still suffering from the intrusion of the thoughts he "hears." These are facts, plain as day, visible in the episodes and from Mao's own mouth when he was discussing his powers with Lelouch. Which by the way, he usually wore glasses during, even when he was making quite the show of revealing every little tidbit out of the deepest of thoughts from Shirley, Lelouch, and Suzaku.
I'm not trying to quell discussion, but as shinta said, there's really nothing new here to discuss. We've done this all before, multiple times, and this particular episode failed to bring any new information that would give either of us a reason to bring it back up. I'm still utterly confused that Splash brought it up at all, and the only reason I am arguing with you again is because you and Splash brought up Mao. I ignored Splash's first post about it, but when you supported it...I took the bait.
When I used the term 'geass Inhibitor', I did not want to suggest that it may be used to protect oneself AGAINST the effects of different geasses.I just went back and reread the earlier discussion from episode 3 and realized that the term had already been used differently. I just mean that it suppresses the geass powers of the one wearing it.
I am sure we can all agree that for a geass to activate, it seems that something is triggered from within the eye. This has been consistent with all geass users. Eye CONTACT on the other hand is definitely NOT a requirement and I already understand that. I believe that the lense inhibits this triggering event of a geass or suppresses it, if it is activated.
That does not mean that one can simply protect themselves by wearing that same lense. We do not always know how the triggered geass affects another person. In Lelouch and the Emperor's case, it requires eyesight, but for Mao and Rollo, it seems to be some other effect.
Also, we do not know what kinds mental effects a triggered geass has on a user. I believe that the reason this lense is 'special' is because it possibly protects against any mental stress that a user might experience when a geass is activated (given the geass is not too powerful).
The visor of Zero's mask seems to be made of a material that allows Lelouch to see through it but at the same time, prevent the geass effects from being transferred to another person. Why couldn't the lense be just made of this material instead. What need is there of a 'special' lense?
Also, it is far too convenient to have a lense that works for just the eye contact based geasses, unless there is nothing 'special' about it and it is just like the mask visor.
What I was saying was, that if we assume Jeremiah has an artifical Geass, then it makes sense that the thing covering his eye is possibly keeping him sane.
Ok lets assume his current glasses are to prevent people from seeing the Geass in his eye's and have nothing to do with him attempting to dampen his ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Now first off I never said Mao's ability was based on line of sight I said it was based in his eye's which is a large difference. If the contact inhibits the actual geass instead of merely blocking his ability to see the other person then it could in fact be used to negate his Geass. So actually its very important in regards to this discussion. There were statements made about how they don't see the contact being able to prevent his Geass in turn I provided a method that would allow that to take place.
Also you ARE trying to quell discussion. Splash made a post that showed he wanted to discuss this. He was not involved in the previous discussion and as such by providing information from the previous discussion it allows him to respond and further the discussion with a new set of eye's. You on the other hand instead of presenting your opinion and views decided it was important to state your opinion as fact. This being exactly what you have declared I've done in the past. You managed to do this with no solid evidence and instead merely used your opinion of what a past scene means.
Now lets look at what was being discussed and the actual parts of it that matter in the discussion you ignored. Splash agree or not was calling the contact a inhibitor and not a filter. First off we both agree its some form of inhibitor based on previous discussion. Your view is it inhibits the Geass purely by preventing the line of sight between the Geass and the target to take place by filtering it out. My view is the inhibitor actually prevents the Geass from even activating or suppresses a constantly active Geass.
So if my view is correct and it prevents the activation of the Geass there is ZERO reason it wouldn't work on ANY Geass and as such it easily could have come from then trying to suppress Mao's Geass. If yours is correct on the other hand it couldn't be used to prevent Mao's Geass because as we agree his doesn't work based on line of sight. If you wanted to continue discussion you would have presented a theory of your own as to how C.C. got the contact instead of attacking mine without ANY actual proof its wrong. You simply feel your right and nobody else has the right to discuss something you disagree with. Thats flat out the wrong attitude for a discussion forum.
I was then asked to provide a reason why my theory could possibly be correct I've done so. You may disagree with it but there is no proof its wrong either so I'm free to state it. If I post anything thats blatantly wrong and you have evidence to prove it wrong then its indeed dropped but this is certainly not one of those cases.
@ Splash!
Seems we were on the same page about that from the start because I agree with everything you just said.
Edit 2: Another possible crazy Theory.
Its fully possible Lelouch's mother had a Geass similar to Lelouch and it was her contact that he was given. This is what I find to be the likeliest correct theory if the lens is simply a filter and not a universal inhibitor.
Fact 1: Someone wiped Cordelia's memories and had her step away from guard duty that night and for her to be unable to remember even under Geass this was most likely done by another Geass. Its possible this was just the emperor but the incident seems to specific for that to be likely.
Fact 2: Nannaly isn't physically blind she's mentally blind(possibly the same is true about her legs not sure on that). Its entirely possible that if her mother had a Geass she used it on Nannaly before being shot to death telling her something along the lines of "forget what you've seen tonight and never see the evils of the world again." causing her to be unable to see from that point forward.
Let's ignore the rest because it's only going to continue to boil down to a he said, she said kind of argument based entirely off semantics and changing the definition of using eyes versus sight (though I must say I am curious to what the difference really is, that part of the post didn't make a whole lot of sense).
Now for something different, interesting, and not played out that piqued my interest. This is certainly something that has not gotten enough discussion. There was also a scene in a very recent episode where C.C. was talking into thin air and verbally addressing Marianne again.
Fact 1: Wrong. Check Episode 24-25. When Lelouch uses his Geass on Cornelia, he asked her directly. She responded that Marianne herself (Lelouch's mother), directed Cornelia to leave and the guard to be lowered (25:43). This report is bolstered by Orange-kun's account of the incident that day to Viletta (see Picture Book 4.33). No Geass needed, Cornelia idolized Marianne so much she would never disobey her orders. They show still shots right after (25:49 and 25:53) of Marianne giving Cornelia the order, from the look on Cornelia's face.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDBen
Fact 2: This one I actually think is quite possible, though we disagree on the reasons. Nunnally is most certainly traumatized by the events, clearly blocked them out, or at the least, appears to have blocked them out. However, the one inconsistency is her eyes. Nunnally's eyes were very much open as she laid underneath Marianne's body. Lelouch's flashbacks of that day early on show this. Yet later, when she's being examined at some hospital, Nunnally's eyes are bandaged. There should not have been another attack in between the time the Lelouch found the two of them (you can see guards streaming into the palace in the scene), yet her eyes were damaged? Either it is part of the mental trauma, or Nunnally is very good at faking it. Maybe it is a combination of them both.
While I do not believe that Marianne had a Geass, I do believe she was a "witch" just like C.C. If some of the strange things Marianne is cited for, exceptional piloting skills, coming from the commoners to become one of the Empresses, etc, don't tip us off in one way or another, C.C. talking to her, though she is long since dead certainly should.
EDIT: As for the reason she didn't know anymore when Lelouch kept demanding of her, that's simply because she didn't know. Clovis was the exact same way, and a few other minor characters from time to time.
While it is possible that the Emperor could have rewritten all of this after brazenly killing his own wife, I'd rather believe it leads to some conclusion about how mysterious Marianne is rather than him going through that effort. It's more like she knew for certain it was her time to die.
We've seen C.C. revive from bullet wounds, but does anybody remember how long it took? For if Marianne was a witch, it is entirely possible that a terrorist attack of that caliber didn't kill her. The only complication here is that the Emperor (or was it Schneizel) ordered her body to be removed.
Also, to the comment somewhere before about V.V wanting C.C. dead in season one, that isn't necessarily the case. It is true that they've placed a lot of importance on capturing C.C. this season, while before they gave an order of dead-or-alive. However, from last season, we've seen on their computer files that the research team knows C.C was present during one of the Word Wars (I'm guessing WW1 due to the trenches). That hints that they already know of her immortality. With that in mind, a dead-or-alive order makes things easier for captors, while the scientists/nobles involved know their test subject will sit right up again.
The difference is simple look at Rollo his Geass creates a store of energy at the tip of his eye and then releases a field of a certain size. Anyone in that field is on pause. His Geass is still in his eye and thats where its released from but it has nothing to do with him seeing anyone. Its very likely Mao had a very similar Geass in that his created a field that grew in size as his Geass became more powerful. So lets say the contact is a inhibitor. If his normal range is 10 feet and the inhibitor reduces that range by 20 feet his Geass would seem turned off. However if his range leveled up to 30 feet even with the inhibitor he would retain a 10 foot range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Now for something different, interesting, and not played out that piqued my interest. This is certainly something that has not gotten enough discussion. There was also a scene in a very recent episode where C.C. was talking into thin air and verbally addressing Marianne again.
I agree that took place I also feel there is more to it. Even if ordered to leave her presence there is no chance she would have left the area entirely regardless of orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
trauma certainly is a option but a boring one. The reason for the bandages could have been when they found her she had her eye's open but couldn't see so they simply bandaged them with medication to let them recover. Then after the treatment failed and the examination proved it wasn't a physical problem they gave up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
If she was a witch she couldn't have been shot to death in the first place C.C. has shown that much several times over. I think its much more likely she was contracted with C.C.. Its even possible the Emperor just wanted to get close enough to her to find out where the witches were hiding and when he did he massacred them and her to cover his tracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
I also don't really believe C.C. would be talking to Marianne the way she does if she was still alive. It is somewhat possible she's imprisoned and witches communicate telepathically though as C.C. did know what V.V. was doing when he kidnapped Nannaly.
I retain that she couldn't know absolutely nothing else. She wouldn't have gone far enough away on her own that she wouldn't have heard the gunshots and carnage that took place that night. Clovis on the other hand really didn't know and he wasn't present when it took place so there is no reason he would know anything he wasn't told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
C.C. seems particularly special. I do not mean to insinuate that Marianne was like C.C.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDBen
The series has shown C.C.'s memories a few times, and aside from Jupiter (which is connected to the Emperor's plan), the other planet than looks like it's covered in gears, etc, they often show a lot of girls dresses as priestesses with the Geass symbol on their forehead, just like C.C. They also show a church with the same symbol getting rocks thrown at it and nuns with the symbol stand outside, and a few others.
C.C. is more than that, because aside from being immortal (she's been around since WWI era at the least) C.C. also has the Geass-shaped stigmata just below her left breast. Lelouch has seen it when they were in the cave, and a C.C. flashback has shown her in a shallow pond with it (can't remember the episode of that one, probably the same landslide/cave episode).
But that brings up another point, if C.C. is related to this "witches church," where did all the others go? They don't share the same immortality that C.C. obviously possesses.
So I am speculating that Marianne was one of these other "witches" of the long-gone church.
Code Geass + Contact Lenses = serious business.
Damn beat me too it well here is another link to the torrent for nyaa
[Chihiro]Code_Geass_Lelouch_of_the_Rebellion_R2_10_[h264][2BFC109E].mkv
While the continued losing streak for Zero is also starting to get to me, I am expecting an outrageous comeback next week that should make up for it. There also seems to be a lot more C.C. in the preview, so I am really excited.
Lelouch really does seem to have warmed up to Kallen, especially after his outburst and emotional decision in this episode. Was that surprised look from C.C. a look of jealousy? But if so, why did she seem satisfied when Zero declared a head on confrontation?
Geass is extremely underused in R2, but that is not necessarily a bad thing, since there are still no blatant moments when it could have been used but neglected presented so far.
It seems that having a big reputation is taking its toll on Zero. The tactical defeat was mainly due to this. Lelouch underestimated the enemy simply because it was relatively safe to assume that a person that can pilot that well is not as strategically gifted. On the other hand, Zero's abilities (and maybe even dispositions) are quite well known to everyone, giving him a big disadvantage.
GG's
I'm still going to wait for Eclipse but here it is,
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Sweetness Eclipse's
[Eclipse] Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 - 10 (1280x720 h264) [FBEB1B25].mkv
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[Eclipse] Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 - 10 (1280x720 h264) [FBEB1B25].mkv /msg eclipse|sakuya xdcc send #89
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I can't believe how Xing Ke is now fully working for the eunuchs now. All the Chinese have been rotten so far, except for the little Empress. I fully expected Xing Ke to try to play his own game as soon as the eunuchs were stupid enough to grant him the uber mecha. But no... He's a faithful lapdog now. I wouldn't be surprised if he went all the way down and helped even the Britannians, though I'd be pleased if at least by then he gathered his bleeding wits and realised who in all this mess is still the best bet for China. The man is dying so it makes zero sense he would be doing anything for himself anymore.
It has certainly been a harsh season for Lelouch so far. But now he must at last be victorious or everything will be ruined for him, again, and this time there's no second chance anymore ready and waiting. It's also quite funny Rollo is sitting uselessly back in Japan. The dude could have finished Xing Ke in three seconds.
It's getting to me too. In the beginning I found it sort of funny how Lelouch stressed, but now it's weird. The preview doesn't look that promising for the rebellion from my point of view. It's going to take a whole lot of brainstorming for Lelouch to get them out of that situation. Maybe a surprise appearance by India will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I found it weird they didn't cut Kallen out of her suit.
Good point there Kraco. Rollo is rotting at the student council room when he could have probably killed every single enemy so far, including Schneizel, Suzaku, Xing Ke, and the rest of the knights. But I guess they can't afford to take him and risk fully exposing Lelouch's cover and endangering Nunnally.
Does anyone have any idea how Lelouch can be at the school during the last part of the episode? Even Suzaku complained about it after the end credits.
Lelouch put Xing Ke in a pretty f'ed up situation. He left him at the mercy of the Eunuchs after using the coup to his own advantage. From Xing Ke's perspective, Lelouch would probably use Tian Zi in the same manner. It only makes sense that he offered to help the Eunuchs to save the empress. It was better than sitting around, waiting to be executed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
There was no point in turning against the Eunuchs after obtaining Shen Hu, as his followers were still on a tight leash. The only thing he could do was try to save Tian Zi. He is not an idiot so probably also knew that the Eunuchs were lying when they said that his sins would be pardoned.
From his comments near the end of the episode, it doesn't seem that he would ever willingly fight alongside Britannia. Also, the Eunuchs don't seem to want his help anymore, so I don't think its going to happen. I think that when the dust from this battle settles, Xing Ke will become an OBK ally for the short time that he stays live.
I was actually pleased that Lelouch got humiliated the way he did. He was getting too cocky of his strategic ability. Had it been Schneizel instead of Xing Ke, he would be dead by now.
Maybe it's Rollo in disguise? or someone else. This episode just showed how strong Xing Ke really is. Even Lelouce mentioned it. Too bad he's dying. Xing Ke should have gone to Zero's side.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I saw C.C.'s look as one of pride for the Kallen situation. Whether C.C. is happy with him not being able to sacrifice those close to him, or whether C.C. has grown particularly fond of Kallen (they did spend a great deal of time together at the embassy) I can't say. C.C. doesn't like to see Lelouch back down, since it shows a weakness in him that may not allow him to achieve her ultimate goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
There's been a lot of my initial comments said, so for now I don't have all that much to add, or at least have the slightest of clues on. I'm would have to guess that the Lelouch at the academy is a faithful body double, but even then, wouldn't that very actor know Zero's true identity? That has got me genuinely stumped.
I'm waiting for the rest of the Chinese to slaughter the eunuchs in cold blood, much in the way Lelouch has Geassed people into offing themselves after completing his tasks.
I must say I enjoyed neither Suzaku nor Anya realizing that that was a picture of C.C. (next to Lelouch no less! Decisive evidence against him) with a bag on her head. Distinctive green locks poking out underneath. While Suzaku hasn't spent as much time as Lelouch or any of the Black Knights around Zero's Concubine, Suzaku should have had a very good idea of her general profile and characteristics by now. Then again, only Rollo and Viletta's team were actively hunting her.
But that scene did bring up something else. Why was Anya so curious about the picture of younger Lelouch? Perhaps the young Lady Earlstreim had a youthful crush of her own within the Britannian Court?
EDIT:
More of a side note:
I understand it was a ceremonial political wedding, but Tianzi had a garter belt on when she was sitting on the bed in the same room with Kaguya.
Should I be, a) disturbed that I'm enough of a lolicon to notice, b) disturbed that Britannia would have a 9 yr old or younger put that on, or c) disgusted at the eunuchs who not only acquiesce to Britannian marriage customs for their Empress, but sell her out in the first place.
Meh... I interpreted that scene as one of those scenes like in some cartoons where a character puts on a mustache then his whole identity is hidden. Don't really know if there's a term that describes those type of things, but yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Rollo can't give away that he's actually betrayed Britania. Yea i think Zero is Rollo in disguise.
That didn't really have to look like Lelouch. I was thinking perhaps it was just Rollo talking from Shirley's point of view, and when he needs to talk, he time-freezes everybody and plays the prerecorded voice of Lelouch.
Have to say, I loved how this episode played out both strategist's moves. It's really tense watching two minds such as their's clash head to head. Just when they said the Shen Hu didn't have a pilot, were saying that just no one wanted to pilot it, or that the G-forces were too strong or something?
Since Ryll's started a trend on picking up details, I smiled when I saw C.C's truck thoroughly decorated with Cheeze-kun. They were everywhere.
Edit: I take that back. Rollo's at the table. Now I'm lost.
I wasn't that sure, but the shen-hu has radiation leaks it seems, explaining why no one should pilot it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
...A prideful Knightmare that no pilot was able to maneuver....according to Eclipse.
They do mention it later that it doesn't have a radiation system. Judging from what we've seen, I'm concluding that she meant it didn't use radiation as it's main source of power/weaponry, as did the Guren.
The specs were too high, and similar to a plane with a pilot not up to par, using it can be suicidal.
Like Buff said, Lelouch and Rollo were in the school at the end. They cannot play each other's roles that way.
About the bag on the head thing, I am not sure if the profile of my favorite green witch has been exposed to everyone (I doubt it, except for those actively hunting her), so Anya does not have to be familiar, but Suzaku has seen C.C. once right after Lelouch. Maybe he still has not been informed that it was C.C. that saved Lelouch back then. If the green hair is not known as an indication, that bag on the head would more than suffice to hide someone's identity, though less suspicious it is definitely not.
its not like "green hair" is something special in anime anyways... maybe for them its just a "blonde" with a mask on... so it could be everyone and since she had a school uniform nobody could have noticed that she is not a normal pupil disguising as a ghost or someonefrom the ku-klux-klan like cartman did in southpark xD
and that picture of Lelouch + C.C, wasn't it taken during season 1? and who again is Lord Earlstreim/Alstreim? Did we see him alrdy? The connection to Anya is on wikipedia (yet not explained), but thats all and since I'm not sure if that connection was alrdy mentioned in the anime, I won't say it ^^
@plot If Zero isn't Lelouch fighting the chinese army I'm really disappointed, because it's impossible that he's not the one since how he acted how he spoke, simply everything even how he feels torwards his classmates, was done like the real Zero would have done it. It's not possible to fake that (not even by a speaker installed because of body language etc.).. not only that, but if he isn't the real thing, then simply everyone is a mastermind in this series and hyper-intelligent... This would destroy everything and wouldn't be fun to watch.
Picture was taken during Pizza episode of R2.
Anya Alstreim. Nuff said.
Observation about Lelouch/Zero this episode. Each time they showed his face through the mask, only the right side of the face (the eye with no geass) was shown, unlike the other episodes. This may be relevant in terms of identifying whether Lelouch is in battle or not.
@KrayZ33:
I only mention C.C.'s distinctive shade because no one else in the series has green hair. While Euphie and Cornelia both had a shade of purple/pink, green has been unique to C.C., and I just went with it having something to do with her witchy heritage.
Lord Earlstreim = Lady Anya Earlstreim, Knight of Rounds Six. Whether she is the daughter of nobility does not really matter, she is given the title of Lord simply for being one of the Knights of Round. She obviously took that picture of Lelouch back when Marianne was still alive and Lelouch was happy. So I wonder if Anya was nobility back then, and had her own little royal crush, or if she was at the palace for some other reason.
One possibility for Anya's mysterious past (assuming she was not nobility back then) was that she joined the Knights of Rounds to become worthy of Lelouch, her childhood crush, only to believe he died in Japan, making her the introverted, cold, ruthless Knight she is today. That would make her rather similar to Suzaku.
Nina's hair is kinda dark green.
The Zero on the battlefield is not the real Zero. I was wondering why he simply did not try to manipulate or even Geass the Tian Zi to order Xing Ke to stop attacking after its power difference was evident instead of engaging in a head on battle, but after seeing him at school it's clear. He would've chosen the Geass route if he were able to. As mentioned earlier, it only kept showing the right side of his face through the mask, which is obviously a hint he can't use Geass. Zero on the battlefield is someone in his outfit with a speaker most likely.
It is odd that Zero has had his mask on constantly for almost two full episodes but there's some confusion if it's really not Lelouch there with them. When talking to C.C. about how he'd known details about Xing Ke's plans he mentioned having obtained information from random underlings using Geass, obviously he could just be lying, but then how did he know?
It was cut in the subbed episodes, but in the promotion section after the credits of the raw, Suzaku actually comments about the fact that Lelouch is in two places at once. I guess there is simply not enough data to give an educated guess at this point because that is what the creators intended.
so who is as intelligent as Zero? If there is someone, than lelouch is simply not needed in the Black Knights...
maybe they made some super-awesome-hax teleporter or hologram.. (I hope not xD)
What about an android?
You know what? we only need to have someone the size of lelouch wearing the mask... and manipulated like a pupet.
Then with a good radio, Lelouch can directly speak in the mask device that changes his voice, the guy under the mask being mute all the time.
It's in fact totally probable that he has a video/audio capture device in the mask and that speaker...
How's that idea? after all we're in a show where mech can fly, so a mask with those abilities, even with a wireless secured and long distance connection isn't impossible...
I had this idea at first tooQuote:
Originally Posted by David75
but how is the person supposed to move his arms hand and his whole body to Lelouch speeches?
It would be weird if Lelouch says *No* but the person who is "playing" Zero is nodding.
It seems impossible in my opinion.. unless that person who is playing Zero studied him really good...but this would probably mean that he also knows that Lelouch = Zero.
Imho its pretty much not possible to mimic the bodylanguage... especially when you don't know what the person is going to do/say
take only the kidnapping scene for example.. that would be impossible to fake
I HOPE that it's not just someone playing him and I don't want them to turn Code Geass into a second Deathnote (ep 25-end) where everything is so extremely complex, impossible to predict and gets ridicilous
It's possible that the fake Zero was Geass'd to take all commands from Lelouch. It's also strange that C.C. would ask him if he had used a "truth serum" when she has been so frank in the past about simply saying Geass, but then Zero just replies that he used a truth serum called Geass. Perhaps this was a way to talk about it while keeping fake Zero out of the loop.
Hmmm... correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't the scene where Lelouch tells Kallen if she would return to him to the school taken place already on China? Plus Lelouch did take off his mask on the iceberg, in front of Sayoko (unless its Sayoko under the mask since we haven't seen her since then).
Loved Kallen pouting upon seeing Zero and CC enter the elevator together.
Also loved how CC practically made the vehicle hers with all those stickers of the Pizza Hut's mascot.
I still find it hard to believe the real Lelouch would be sitting back in Japan while some fake was there to witness the crusial life or death moments of the Black Knights. Moreover so when we know the real Lelouch was in China during the chess match when he was considering geassing the people in the room. So, he would have needed to switch after that. I guess it's possible but a longer shot than somebody insignificant being back in Japan, where the only thing needed is to make the students think Lelouch is still there. You'd think that's quite a bit easier than what he's doing in China.
At least during the match he was wearing a helmet... but I did go back to confirm the scene I mentioned. Kallen falling on top of Lelouch DID take place in China.
And unless there is a new super powerful Geass (which would be very badly used if it was only to change places often) the Lelouch on Japan is likely the fake one... and my vote is on a uber disguised Sayoko.
After all µSayoko would be the best at mimicing Lelouch for she has been knowing him for ages, of course that's only if she has some king of gift to it, which would be convenient for the show.
Sayoko is one scary bitch. Much of her recruitment process was shown in the DVD specials of code geass, and I tell you, she is craaaazy (to the point where she gained respect and fear from everyone in the BK). Add to that her emo/psycho side, and you get one formidable agent. There is literally no telling what she can do.
Which one was that shinta, Picture Book 9.75?
Or was it one of the audio episodes or other things that never got subbed?
(i.e. not one of the audio eps you quick-subbed for us)
Lets say Lelouch wins Tien Zi over, and convinces her that he's helping her, but the Eunuch are going to kill Xing Ke. She makes a broadcast that the Eunuch have betrayed China. Would Scheizel take those words and attack the Army, or just shake it off, rescue the Empress and reassure her that they have not betrayed her?
Edit: missed this page. I'm going with the Sayoko disguise idea, since I would think it's the most probable.
Maybe Sayoko got major plastic surgery to look like Lelouch? Zomg!
@Ryll - Its from the Code Geass DVD magazine 1 and 2
These are raw because no one ever bothered to subtitle them. If you have a decent grasp of Japanese, you can check them out. I am not sure if a translation exists somewhere, but you guys should be better equipped researching for it (Yes I am talking about you Ryll :) )
Most of this is comedy, and a lot of the moments are "out of the story canon" as the DVD itself mentions, but since it is so far the only source of info about Sayoko (more or less), this is where I base my understanding of her.
I really hope that Leloch starts winning again. Becomes tiring how all of his plans fail to some degree nowadays. And, well.---i dont like how Xin Ke has a mind on paar with Lelouch, i mean, that´s what makes Lelouch special.
I, too, hope for a grand comeback for the following episodes.
I guess that ruling the world is not just a matter of brains and Geass... Or Lelouch will never be able to attain his goals, because on those two matters he clearly is not the stronger in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I hope Lelouche will soon realize that he needs other powerful people around him, some with Geass (like Rollo) others with brains (like his intelligence service guy...), others with combat abilities and so on.
The burden on him is clearly too high as of yet, meaning he is at his limit in being able to control everything all by himself. Although we do not know much about the emperor, it seems that his empire has a very pyramidal power distribution, meaning that the Emperor only does what matters for his system to work.
I may be wrong, but Lelouch really needs to deleguate a little more.
Going on with what David said, Lelouch admits he might not be the smartest. In fact, he knows better by now. Cornelia bested him early on in season 1 (a lesson he took to heart and later came back to railroad her). Cornelia was weak on the political front, but amazing in the martial disciplines. Euphemia was weak on both of those, but she managed to outsmart Lelouch with her incredibly naive ideals. Against her push for the Japanese Zone, the Black Knights would commit political suicide no matter what they did. Luckily for Lelouch, he fucked up so badly with his Geass that he was able to salvage the situation into a total victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
And now, Lelouch has openly admitted he's never won at chess against Schniezel. That's a huge admission for Lelouch. Though it was years back, Lelouch was very proud that he had never lost to any of his other siblings (that we know about) in a chess match. That's saying that no matter how black and white (no pun intended) a contest of wits is, Schniezel would probably be his superior.
So with Xing Ke, it's just one more person that Lelouch is break even with. Lelouch should have known better with the rice paddies. That was definitely a fault for him. I wonder how much of his lack of knowledge there was because of the abruptness of needing to devise a plan to kidnap Tian Zi immediately after moving to Chinese territory. It seemed like he had planned to do it for some time, but the impending marriage forced his hand.
Combine that with not enough time to become familiar with the territory like he was with Japan, and he was bound to trip up somewhere. Lelouch had the advantage of not only living there for how many years, he also had people like Kallen, Ougi, Tamaki, and the Japanese Liberation Front people to fill in the gaps.