The Atatsuki Thread

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Originally posted by: Shin_Naruto
I disagree.
Orochimaru, a few lackies, and sand trash took out the Hokage and 'severly damaged' Konoha.
Jiriya was the only one we saw fighting the invasion @ a level high enough to fight ONE Akatsuki member (maybe Hyuuga... but thats not the point) If you get 9 of them running around a city I doubt much would be left. Jiriya only showed up because he knew it was comming. Its only 1.5 days travel from the cave they are hanging. I doubt Jiriya would find out about their movements and be able to make it there if he was even half a day away. Konoha also has all their ninjas 'out on missions' in other countries atm to appear strong... which means they are weak @ home right now. If they wanted to destroy Konoha (arguably the strongest country) they would try now.

I also think Kishimoto is a better writer then that and also why destruction is not in my top 5 'theories'

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Who of note died in that Konoha Invasion? Nobody other than the third. If he didn't in that fight, he would have from cancer or old age in a year or so anyway. And Orochimaru, a former Akatsuki member, killed him in a one on one fight. Also, It wasn't just a few ninja and two bit trash that fought Konoha. It was two villages. There was way more than just a few sound lackeys. In addition to that, there was massive before hand preparation that Konoha was (stupidly) oblivious to. Yet they they still managed to survive.

If the Sannin are comparable in power, and Kabuto can take one of them (he can take tsunade, I don't doubt that for a second), and kakashi is approximately as strong as Kabuto, I'd say kakashi is about strong enough to be an akatsuki member. If Gai's rivalry with kakashi and his recent exploits mean anything, I'd say he's about strong enough to be one as well. Lets not forget about the entire mini-village of the Hyuuga and the sheer size of Konoha (probably with ninja ranging in strengh from near kakashi level to kurenai level). Tsunade and Jiraiya would be there as well (because it's Jiraiya's business to know what Akatsuki is up to). On top of that, I'm sure the young ones have grown massively in strenght as well so as to be significant in the fight. Akatsuki may be able to hurt the village, but they're all dying.

If there are other villages at this point that may be comparable to Konoha in power (remember, we haven't even seen all the villages), a similar argument would hold for them.

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Originally posted by: DDBen
The bodies Oro used were random dead sound ninja's prepaired to have the soul of a random dead ninja sucked into them. No the 4th was not summoned because the 3rd prevented it. Of course I don't think that any of the Hokage's can be summoned anymore by that technique as all of there souls have been either used to pay for the god of Death or been eaten by it. Note the 1st through 3rd were all eaten when the 3rd battled orochimaru. The fourth on the other hand I believe payed with his soul in order to seal the 9 tails into Naruto. This to me atleast means we won't be seeing anymore ressurected Hokagies from the past.

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This is a little off topic, but still.

Didn't Sarutobi say that to seal the enemy's soul, they had to give up their life to the demon god, then both souls would be locked in an eternal battle within the seal?

Which would suggest (and this is pure speculation) that it's not _just_ the Demon fox inside Naruto... ¬_¬



And for something on topic - what's the deal with the Atkasuki 'leaders' eyes? one of the Manga's I have suggests he has the Sharingan, but other frames in the same chapter say otherwise. I suppose my question is, does he have dots around his eyes? or just a line around his pupil?

no no no.......if oro couldve successfully summoned the 4th during the fight with sarutobi, then why couldnt he do it now instead?

oro knows how the 4th died.....if there was no way to resurrect him, then he wouldnt have tried in the first place

Acctually, Orochimaru wouldn't have known the specifics of the 4th's death, since he had no idea what Jutsu Sarutobi used on him.

Though, we don't know the specific of his summoning jutsu either, so it might not use the soul of the person to animate them but just a copy of their conciousness... who knows?

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Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles

If the Sannin are comparable in power, and Kabuto can take one of them (he can take tsunade, I don't doubt that for a second), and kakashi is approximately as strong as Kabuto, I'd say kakashi is about strong enough to be an akatsuki member. If Gai's rivalry with kakashi and his recent exploits mean anything, I'd say he's about strong enough to be one as well. Lets not forget about the entire mini-village of the Hyuuga and the sheer size of Konoha (probably with ninja ranging in strengh from near kakashi level to kurenai level). Tsunade and Jiraiya would be there as well (because it's Jiraiya's business to know what Akatsuki is up to). On top of that, I'm sure the young ones have grown massively in strenght as well so as to be significant in the fight. Akatsuki may be able to hurt the village, but they're all dying.

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i have to disagree... Kabuto can't take Tsunade... she is on Orochimaru's level and she would have killed Kabuto if not her trembling... besides note that Orochimaru was Akatsuki's member (probably one of the weakest) and Kakashi said that he was mad saying that he will sacrafice himself to kill Orochmiaru couse he knew he couldnt do it... there is no way that Kakashi and Gai are even close to Akatsuki members level

there is no way orichimaru was akatsuki's weakest member, and you are right kakashi isnt in oricihmarus level but times change people train

akatsuki propably consider orichimaru their biggest threat and will want to try to eliminate him soon, which i doubt is going to happen i think oricihmaru can take a few of htem head on he is a master at jutsus, he killed the hokage and he is a sannin , he fought jiraiya without any arms .. need i say more?

i dont think its all about power tho, thats too dbz'ish, anything could happen i dont think you could predict the outcome based on just a persons "power" , the way gaara lost to diedra was an indication of how unprepared gaara was and diedra knew about gaara more than gaara knew about diedra, ofcourse diedra is going to win

The diedra fight more or less illistrated that not all of the battles come down to power. Diedra simply took garra out by outsmarting him and figuring out how to use his sand shield against him.

Orochimaru was not Akatsuki's weakest member.

The [presumed] leader of Akatsuki recognized their loss by no longer having Orochimaru, when stating, "Without Orochimaru's power this will take longer .." This was still said even with Kisame's MASSIVE chakra capacity.

I also agree with someone else's statement, in saying that Orochimaru is one of Akatsuki's biggest threat. Not only due to his skills, but moreso due to his knowledge of the Organization and most assuredly their plans. If there were to be a battle against Orochimaru, I would bank on the loss of at least a third of their [Akatsuki's] lives. Don't think Itachi would be one of those, though. He's too much of a beast .. like Daigo's SFIII parrying skills. Insanity.


// Strider. Out.

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Originally posted by: Kovash
Acctually, Orochimaru wouldn't have known the specifics of the 4th's death, since he had no idea what Jutsu Sarutobi used on him.

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maybe so, but sarutobi was quite clear on the specific's of the 4th's death.....and he also seemed quite clear on the way oro's resurrection jutsu works......

enough to be concerned about keeping that 3rd coffin from appearing, anyway

sorry then my bad about saying that Orochimaru was one of the weakest Akatsuki members... but still Orochimaru said that he could't beat Itachi so Itachi alone could kill him without death of any Akatsutki member

Orochimaru is scared of Itachi mainly because he can take his jutsu's away from him, and use them, and Orochimaru mainly thinks power is from how many jutsu's you got, and Itachi having the Sharingan makes it easier for him to learn all of those jutsu.

Also when Orochimaru fought Jiraiya without arms, Jiraiya wasn't at his capacity, he summoned Gamakichi or that other one or whatever, when he should've done Gamabunta, he wasn't at his best.

Orochimaru would be one of the high ranking Akatsuki members I say.

Going with kAi on this one.

Orochimaru fears Itachi. I do not believe this makes him necessarily an overwhelming force that could easily snuff him out. I do feel Itachi could and would beat Orochimaru if they were to battle, though.

Orochimaru's fear stems from what kAi and others have mentioned. Orochimaru equates powers to quantity of jutsu. With a Sharingan user as an opponent, you're giving your opponent more weapons to utilize, and against a Sharingan they are able to counter as they can somewhat predict what is going to occur next in terms of seal performance. Even with that, a recuperated Orochimaru could take out two to three Akatsuki members, sans Itachi.
*** The last statement was all speculation and merely my sole opinion, which does not even hold much substance considering we have not seen half of the Akatsuki members do anything.

Orochimaru was a top-tier Akatsuki member. Fin.


// Strider. Out.

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Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Who of note died in that Konoha Invasion? Nobody other than the third.

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Who of note died of the invaders?

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Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Also, It wasn't just a few ninja and two bit trash that fought Konoha. It was two villages. There was way more than just a few sound lackeys. In addition to that, there was massive before hand preparation that Konoha was (stupidly) oblivious to. Yet they they still managed to survive.

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It was trash of 2 villages. The only players of note were Orochimaru, Kabuto, Gaara, Baki, and the sound 4 (who were busy being shields). Imagine if all 9 Akatsuki had shown up. Hello destuction.

Orochimaru says that he left the Akatsuki because their goals differed from his... and if his goals were to destroy Konoha then he woulda stayed with them

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Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
f the Sannin are comparable in power, and Kabuto can take one of them (he can take tsunade, I don't doubt that for a second), and kakashi is approximately as strong as Kabuto, I'd say kakashi is about strong enough to be an akatsuki member. If Gai's rivalry with kakashi and his recent exploits mean anything, I'd say he's about strong enough to be one as well.

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Kabuto cannot take out Tsunada... Tsuanda has more tricks up her sleeve then he does. I didnt see him summon any giant slugs. I didnt see him use any super strength. If Tsunada = Orochimaru and Kabuto is his lacky... I highly doubt he can take Tsunada. (unless hes really the 10th Akatsuki like some people think)

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Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Lets not forget about the entire mini-village of the Hyuuga and the sheer size of Konoha (probably with ninja ranging in strengh from near kakashi level to kurenai level).

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I thought about them... but its foolish to think that they are top dogs in the Ninja world. The fact that they were #2 in Konoha to the Uchiha should proove that right away.


I think the Akatsuki could wreck some $%!^ is all.

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Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Lets not forget about the entire mini-village of the Hyuuga and the sheer size of Konoha (probably with ninja ranging in strengh from near kakashi level to kurenai level).

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I thought about them... but its foolish to think that they are top dogs in the Ninja world. The fact that they were #2 in Konoha to the Uchiha should proove that right away.


I think the Akatsuki could wreck some $%!^ is all.[/quote]


Off topic.

Why do you think the Hyuuga were second to the Uchiha?


// Strider. Out.

Hey all, I'm new here and want to apologize if something I wrote here already been written before.

I don't know where all the "4th hokage" talking started but I must stop it now. Just forget it guys the 4th hokage
is dead for sure!! Nothing will change it!

I know thinking of an aktsuki member as the 4th hokage makes u excited so much but damn guys the man is dead.

I also read of all the soul reviving speculations and I wanne mark somthing strange. I want u to think of it and if u can explain it to me I'll be glad. Well backthere Oro bound the soul of the 4th hokage with a living human body in order to summon him for the fight(Oro-Saru fight). Well how can this be if the 4th's soul was taken over by the death god when he sealed the Kayubi 16 years ago. And I know the summon didn't succeded in the end but this fact has nothing to do with what I said as some of u guys suggested before, it's because the 3rd stopped it from coming out. Think of it guys cause it doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I also want to be sure of the members known until now, correct me if I'm wrong or tell me if I forgot someone:

1. Itachi
2. Kisame - The shark face
3. Sasori - The puppet master (also if I'm not mistaken "sasori" means scorpion which also fits with his figure)
4. Deidara- The long haired girl
5. Zetsu - The strange black&white Akatsuki's spy ("zetsu" means to Suppress/End)

there's the 9 figures picuter from chap 238.
I watched it carefully but couldn't really Identify Zetsu, there's the upside down figure but I doubt it's him, I think it is Sasori, so here is something to help u decide, I hope u can open this:
http://www.netkings.co.il/comm...ype=post&id=795740

From that image, I speculated their identities to be as the following:

01. Kisame.
02. (The big man I'm curious about)
04. Itachi.
05. Deidara.
06. Sasori.
08. (The presumed Leader with odd eyes ..)
09. Zetsu.


On another note, did they say for certain that the Shinigami Skill is what the Fourth Hokage performed to seal the Nine-Tails within Naruto? Just curious. I have the memory of a goldfish with certain things.


// Strider. Out.

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Originally posted by: Strider
Off topic.
Why do you think the Hyuuga were second to the Uchiha?

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Some stuff itachi said back in the flashbacks:

"Almost all of us are working for the first division of the [police] force and are participating in keeping the order of the village. [The] only ones who can enforse the laws on Shinobi's crimes... are superior ninjas."

but lets not get off topic... Mut will yell at us.
feel free to PM me for debate (and not lame fanboyness - im more of a Hyuuga fan then a Uchiha fan)

I'm really curious to see if the Atsuki leader is the mysterious third super sharingan user who were all dieing to see. I really do think that the sharingan's true purpose has something to do with the younma.

He isn't.
Otherwise, Orochimaru would have left the orginazation earlier or even not join it at all, we know he left becuase he feared Itachi's sharingan, so it's unlikely that another member of the akatsuki would be an Uchiha meber, let alone a M.Sharingan person.

I doubt the Akatsuki Leader is the third Uchiha with the ability to use the Magekyou Sharingan.

For starters, Itachi wants to face another Mangekyou user, doesn't he? I believed these were his intentions, to truly test his limits against someone with "the same eyes as me." If the Leader was this third person, Itachi or him would have killed each other.

More needs to be shown on the other members, namely names and village association.


// Strider. Out.