Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

Its funny how suzuku is saying all that crap, and want for others to trust him when he was the one who killed his father. I don't think I can trust such a person. When is he going to die?
Guys wut happened to the suit that Lelouch and C.C were piloting in the end of season 1. Don't remember if it got destroyed or not. As much as I want the BK to win their fights, I hate to c a single vs multiple and it wins. So I too am hoping others are getting upgrades too.
Who should take suzuku's life? I would of said Lelouch before, but now I want one of his friends kill him.

I can't believe I forgot about those parts right at the beginning of this episode, supporting most of the statements I've made about Nunnally.

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Nunnally: "Is Suzaku lying to me? But even Brother's...What has happened between the two of them?"

Not that even an idiot wouldn't have been able to tell that Lelouch was acting very strange about the phone conversation, but rather that Nunnally's first question is whether Suzaku has been feeding her lies. She also knows right away that there is something wrong, and that they are on opposing sides.

She wonders wether or not he is feeding her lies, but for some reason she screams out to him like a little baby at the end of the ep, conveying a sense of trust towards him. These two things are contradictory... Probably mostly because the creator didn't think that far.

She shouts for him because she heard his fucking stupid voice over the speakers of the lancelot. If she even thought for half a second that Lelouch was there, she would have shouted "Brother!!!" before even considering Suzaku.

Now, I am pretty sure she knows that Lelouch is Zero (because she heard the shout at the end of the episode), but like Suzaku in S1 will keep denying it until more evidence surfaces. It is great that she does value her brothers words more as Ryll pointed out, but Lelouch doesn't know this, and I pity him for it. I hope that C.C. does a good job (which means an entire episode of screentime for me) of pulling him back up from despair.

I am also glad that C.C. has started to show more emotion about her concern for Lelouch. When she depended on Kallen in this episode, she made a very worried face, not for some goal but rather out of genuine concern for Lelouch. Maybe their relationship will move further in the next episode, especially with Zero in shambles.

About asking C.C. questions... It is probably because she would not answer them. So far, the only times C.C. ever revealed such information was when it was absolutely necessary, like when Nunnally was kidnapped, and when V.V. has become a direct threat to the rebellion. Some new events (like this Nunnally thing) might force her to reveal some more information.

EDIT: Oh wait, let us not forget... Nunnally was, maybe even still is in love with Suzaku. How can I miss this stupid fact? Still, I don't think she would pick Suzaku over Lelouch. It might be a different story if she finds out her brother is Zero, considering how naive she can be.

EDIT 2: Just rechecked some parts of the episode. When she said the line Ryll quoted, she didn't trust Lelouch's words over Suzaku completely. While she did doubt him first, she actually expressed that her brother might be lying to her as well right after. The way she said it also showed the same amount of suspicion, rather than any form of trust for Lelouch.

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Originally Posted by Shinta|Hikari

DIT 2: Just rechecked some parts of the episode. When she said the line Ryll quoted, she didn't trust Lelouch's words over Suzaku completely. While she did doubt him first, she actually expressed that her brother might be lying to her as well right after. The way she said it also showed the same amount of suspicion, rather than any form of trust for Lelouch.

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When she said that, she wondered if Suzaku is lying to him. She then says "Even Brother's...."

She's not suspicious that Lelouch's lying, since he said that he is already. She aknowledges the fact that her brother is lying and acting strangely (pretending to be another person), and that Suzaku may be lying to her.

She's just trying to put the two together based on just a short conversation.

I didn't read the subtitles. I got it from the actual Japanese, which I am certain is more accurate.

What she meant by "Demo Onii-sama datte..." is indeed "But even brother is...", yet that translation does not capture the nuance in her words. She was wondering why her brother would say such a thing (and need to pretend to be strangers), meaning she does not trust him completely.

What I meant before (about Nunnally thinking Lelouch may be lying) were not the words after the disclaimer, but rather the whole issue. So it is not like she suspects that only Suzaku is lying, but also has doubts about her brother's truthfulness.

I think that what she means by Lelouch lying is in the fact that Lelouch wanted to pretend in front of Suzaku, since right after she makes that "Demo, nii-san datte" she comes up with the what happened between Suzaku and Lelouch... a subtext to that could be "why would Lelouch want to pretend in front of Suzaku"

Edit: Just a thought. And if so, she would not question Lelouch's truthfulness towards her but rather Suzaku. Which would add to her doubting Suzaku even more.

This is mostly my wishfull thinking though, since I would hate for Nunally and Zero to end up on different sides.

Let me put it simply. In that situation, if Lelouch was telling the truth about the whole issue, Suzaku would definitely be lying. With Nunnally not being sure if Suzaku is lying (and to what extent, since Suzaku's last comments were definitely lies from any point of view), it automatically casts doubt on Lelouch's honesty as well. Add to that her doubting words "But even brother is (acting strange)", it cannot be denied that there is suspicion, and confusion on her part.

I still believe that she trusts Lelouch more since she doubted Suzaku first, but there is definitely doubt in her mind, especially now with the voice she heard at the very end.

EDIT: Put even simpler, If she trusted Lelouch completely, there is no point in even doubting that Suzaku is deceiving her, since that is the natural conclusion.

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Originally Posted by TheBladeChild

Anyway I have the feeling that this series will not end in Lelouche's victory, I think it will be more mixed ending that somehow give Lelouche what he wants yet not exactly in the way he expected. I know im being kind of vague here but knowing Sunrise i might be giving them too much credit.

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I know exactly what you mean. Basically I can see the series end like this: Lelouch is successful in taking down the emperor and crushing Britainia (or atleast leaving it in a lot worse shape than it is right now). However, he will probably having nothing once its all said and done. Suzaku will probably be dead. Nannully will either reject him totally or be dead which takes out his biggest reason for fighting in the first place. His friends at school will likely meet a similiar fate as Nannuly (I doubt ALL of them will die, but at the very least they will reject the man whos fighting their homeland).

I can also see the Black Knights turn on him for whatever reason.,,,,maybe because of some similiar action he made at the end of R1 or maybe theyre tired of being his pawns (maybe a combination of both). And he may even solve the mystery of his mothers death (although somehow I have a feeling that somehow he wont like the answer he gets for some reason or another). So basically Lelouch will have crushed his enemies but in the end it wont even matter anymore.

I'd say Lelouch die by a ass woopin' death like Light did in Death Note Manga/Movie. That'be also yay more satisfying...

OR....Nunally pulls the trigger at him, when his on top, having the world and shit, or as stated above post!

Anyways, this maybe has been mention before me but this show is almost to "something just happens" all the time...The Plot, side Plots just happen just like that. I may have the worst written argument here as I don't, for the moment, having nothing to backup on but maybe it's just me who ust got bored of this show.

If it wasn't for C.C. I almost hope Lelouch would die saving Nunnally. However, since I hope C.C. and Lelouch would become some sort of a couple, I'm not sure what to expect. It would be just too sad for C.C. to be left alone as she's no doubt the loneliest character in this whole story.

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Originally Posted by Chiodos

s, this maybe has been mention before me but this show is almost to "something just happens" all the time...The Plot, side Plots just happen just like that. I may have the worst written argument here as I don't, for the moment, having nothing to backup on but maybe it's just me who ust got bored of this show.

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Most series are like that. Some series, like Death Note, can't be like that most of the time because they have little else going for them than clever plots. However, Code Geass has huge amounts of interesting stuff composing it, so it can afford to have "things just happen". And I certainly haven't ever, not even once, been bored of this show! What an outrageous idea.

I experienced a strong feeling similar to what you described during this ep Chidos. While the action was indeed cool and held my attention when I went back and thought about it much of the ep, as well as ep 5, seemed stitched together without particularly good transitioning between events. It hasn't become a big deal to me yet but the more I notice it the more I'm going to think about it during episodes which will likely poison the experience.

Hopefully it will get better as the story moves forward.

Well no subs have come out yet but if you really want it...

[Chihiro]Code Geass R207[H264][HD]
[Chihiro]Code Geass R207[H264][SD]

mostly quality is rock bottom with colours are washed out, it's way too sharp and pixelated but if you want it...

If you are are looking for something better it is well worth waitting... for someone like eclipse

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Eclipse CG R207 h264

Eclipse CG R207 XviD

Sweet :)

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Originally Posted by Deadfire

Well no subs have come out yet but if you really want it...

[Chihiro]Code Geass R207[H264][HD]
[Chihiro]Code Geass R207[H264][SD]

mostly quality is rock bottom with colours are washed out, it's way too sharp and pixelated but if you want it...

If you are are looking for something better it is well worth waitting... for someone like eclipse

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HD version for Ep 7 by Chihiro
http://www.mininova.org/get/1420286

HD by Eclipse:
http://www.mininova.org/get/1420474

HD by GG
http://www.mininova.org/get/1420431

SD by Chihiro
http://www.mininova.org/get/1419953

not gonna comment much on this since it seems that not many ppl watched it yet... the only thing i've gotta say is

wtf!?

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Originally Posted by David75

HD by Eclipse:
http://www.mininova.org/get/1420474

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Fixed :)



Eclipse CG R207 h264

Eclipse CG R207 XviD

Well at least there weren't as many examples of random shifts in temporality, but the transition from Lelouch happily playing with fireworks with his pals to standing on the beach giving orders was a bit weird.

I guess we should have expected this, however it's kind of lame that he was pretty much forced into this situation. I wonder what tricks he has up his sleeve to pull this off well.

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I guess we should have expected this, however it's kind of lame that he was pretty much forced into this situation.

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He was forced into this situation if you mean forced to make a decision. That was clear already during the previous ep. I think he needed to make one sooner or later in any case. The choices pretty much were to forget it all, repeat the first season or come up with something new. Now that his opponent is the precious Nunnally, the something new was strenghtened as a choice, for sure.

Heh. It sure was a Zero trademark way of suddenly decimating the whole bloody fleet at once...

But this way it works out perfectly, because the emperor is very much NOT happy with this conclusion, and peace will not happen just because Nunally wants it to happen. It's so ironical that she is saying that she is speaking for the empire's thoughts and wishes, and then have the emperors speech saying the complete opposite. Because now, the most likely path is that the empire will do something crazy despite Nunally's wishes, she will wake up out of her cuddly world and have no choice but to side with Zero who still is the only one who is right in this battle.

And then the battle (which is so important to thi series) will go on until Zero stands victorious.

Edit: It was really funny to hear the emperors speech, because what he is talking about is so beyond impossible that it's ridiculous and kind of cute, since you know directly that the person behind the story doesn't know much about social science and thought that through properly. And if that is the kind of world the emperor wants, what would truely happen is that someone in the audience would pick up a gun and shoot the emperor on the spot, and he would die with a smile on his face because his words would have gone through to the people.

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Originally Posted by Shinji Ikari

But this way it works out perfectly, because the emperor is very much NOT happy with this conclusion, and peace will not happen just because Nunally wants it to happen. It's so ironical that she is saying that she is speaking for the empire's thoughts and wishes, and then have the emperors speech saying the complete opposite. Because now, the most likely path is that the empire will do something crazy despite Nunally's wishes, she will wake up out of her cuddly world and have no choice but to side with Zero who still is the only one who is right in this battle.

And then the battle (which is so important to thi series) will go on until Zero stands victorious.

Edit: It was really funny to hear the emperors speech, because what he is talking about is so beyond impossible that it's ridiculous and kind of cute, since you know directly that the person behind the story doesn't know much about social science and thought that through properly. And if that is the kind of world the emperor wants, what would truely happen is that someone in the audience would pick up a gun and shoot the emperor on the spot, and he would die with a smile on his face because his words would have gone through to the people.

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You talk about social science improbability in an anime with bipedal flying mechs and mind controlling powers?

You bet!! :D

It was a very good episode, but it gets epic because everyone can feel thats a stepping stone for some truly griandiosisimo Episode 8

Nice scene with Kallen and Lelouch.

I know it's been said somewhere before, but Kaguya's new outfit makes it look like she fell out of a magical girl anime. It just seemed really out of place.

Though she doesn't seem to have a problem with Kallen and C.C. being Zero's other concubines...I guess she's still very traditional. I was beginning to have my doubts.

Not too much else to talk about. This was more of a transition episode.

And again we had the same battle idea: the ground you walk on disapears and you loose... idea applied to water.
In a way the difference was slightly refreshing.

It was odd to see Lelouch all hormonal and stuff, and then playing Zero like 5 minutes later. I guess they have to do stuff like that for the sake of the story.

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Originally Posted by rockmanj

It was odd to see Lelouch all hormonal and stuff, and then playing Zero like 5 minutes later. I guess they have to do stuff like that for the sake of the story.

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I don't think there was anything wrong with that. The meeting with Kallen and then all the student council members just made him realise he could still have other reasons to fight for and not only Nunnally. The whole "Zero exists for Nunnally" claim was a bit thin in any case, in my opinion. A major part of his motivation had to come from the simple fact he enjoyed being Zero, manipulating people, and commanding forces. He is the emperor's son, after all.

Kaguya is quite unbelievable. I had no idea she is like that, thought the couple of earlier scenes in this series already had begun to make me suspicious. She would be a total husband worshipper. I also find it kind of nice C.C. has begun to interact a bit with other people than Lelouch. But there are still far too few scenes with Lelouch and C.C.! Come on, what's the deal here!

I really liked the scene between Kallen and Lelouch, I never thought he'd allow himself to seen in a weak position to one of his subordinates. I never thought he'd also come that close to using refrain either.

As much as I like seeing Zero's typical plan of blowing something up causing a landslide/buildings falling or in this case causing a bubbles(wtf?) to destroy his enemies, I want to see more drawn out battles like in the last few episodes in season one.

As for the next episode, It seems that the OotBKs wont be simply going on with the special area of Nippon or whatever it was called.

I rather liked this ep, despite it being a transition for a bigger event.

Glad to see C.C.'s smile, at least before Kaguya saw her. And on that note, more of her talking to Marianne. After what she said, as well as how she doesn't seem urgent in having Lelouch fulfilling his part of the contract, it's almost as if her giving him a Geass is so she can watch over him and give him a reason to live, possibly Marianne's wishes.

Side note: Kallen's always hanging out with the Black Knights, I wonder where she got that outfit from. It was rather cute though.

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Originally Posted by TheBladeChild

...or in this case causing a bubbles(wtf?) to destroy his enemies...

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All Hail The Bermuda Triangle! I actually thought that was a pretty elegant idea for them to use.

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Originally Posted by TheBladeChild

As much as I like seeing Zero's typical plan of blowing something up causing a landslide/buildings falling or in this case causing a bubbles(wtf?) to destroy his enemies, I want to see more drawn out battles like in the last few episodes in season one.

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When I was 13 I read a book about bermuda triangle.
One of the hypothesis regarding the sudden disapearing of ships was that at some point there is a massive submarine gaz realease, when that happens the density of gaz+water dramatically drops and ships sink in seconds... or litterally fall under water+gaz.
No floating ship, no matter how strong, can do anything against that unless they can fly... same goes for submarines.


I don't know if the idea cam from the same kind of source, but it's nice they used that one.

I thought about it, and it really is in Zero and the Black Knights to join Nunnally's Zone.

- From the outside view of other countries, it looks like Zero is actively interested in peace.
- Obviously not a popular idea with most noble Britannians, the royalty, the knights of the round, and especially Suzaku. Suzaku wants nothing more than to kill Zero right now, so if he or the military attempts to kill the Black Knights, Suzaku will be incredibly discredited, and gain the ire of all the other nations in the world as utterly dishonorable.
- It remains a consistent thorn in the Emperor's side.
- Though the Elevens will be leery of it now, if they do get attacked again, they will completely forgive Zero for abandoning them a year ago and solidify his power base.
- Zero and the Black Knights can easily fake another attack on them to accomplish all of this, only under more controlled circumstances so as not to implicate Nunnally this time. Perhaps blaming it on the Purists like he did with Orange-kun.

A good episode. Not a lot of action, but seeing Lelouche struggling with the possibility of fighting against Nunnaly's desires was just as good. I always enjoy the episodes where they take some time out from him as Zero and show the more fragile conflicted side. The scene with Kallen especially was very good. A possible step forward in their relationship maybe?

I'm not at all surprised he has decided to "go along" with the special area again. After all it's the perfect opportunity for Lelouche to not only to get a face to face with her, but also to abduct her again.

Hmm, what's Refrain? My memory is bad...

I'm guessing some injection to erase memories? :)

I liked the episode a lot, but I must admit I was surprised with the ending. Although, like people have stated, it will surely lead to great things. Like Ryll pointed out, anything done against the OTBK at this moment will discredit Suzaku and the Britannians (and by proxy... the new 'nihon', although this may not be Lelouch's intention, cause it would discredit Nunnally)

Loved the scene with Kallen, even if she slapped him. But it was necessary cause Lelouch was falling fast. I am actually surprised CC did not care if he did not return... she said she was contempt to have him alive... but the refrain could have fried his brain... no?

Also... interesting to see Kaguya implying that the three of them are / will be Zero's concubines (even if she did not explicitly (sp?) used this word). Somehow season 2 has been using this theme almost every episode. The CC / Lelouch / Kallen triangle... which Kaguya wants to make a Square...

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Kenren: A drug which Kallen's real mother used, which ended frying up her brain.

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Originally Posted by RyougaZell

Loved the scene with Kallen, even if she slapped him. But it was necessary cause Lelouch was falling fast. I am actually surprised CC did not care if he did not return... she said she was contempt to have him alive... but the refrain could have fried his brain... no?

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I may be wrong, but to me Lelouche was provoking her so that she understands the inner troubles Lelouche is facing. Karen demands are as hard to Lelouche, as the one he tells her wanting to share the things only a woman can give...

I don't think so. It looks to me Lelouch was honestly lost and discouraged at that point, and feeling he had nothing to lose, he decided to screw around a little with Kallen who came to preach at him. I don't know how long he had been sitting there with the drug, hesitating, but what he did with Kallen wasn't that different from deciding whether to use the drug or not.

Indeed. He even went as far as to tell her to 'comfort' him, the way only a woman can... ero-Lelouch... lol.

Oh yeah... I hated the fact that Nina was included on Lelouch's imagination about everybody with the fireworks... guess he still does not know she is out for his blood (and a new set of tables)

Can anyone tell me who Marianne C.C is refraining to?

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Originally Posted by RyougaZell

Indeed. He even went as far as to tell her to 'comfort' him, the way only a woman can... ero-Lelouch... lol.

Oh yeah... I hated the fact that Nina was included on Lelouch's imagination about everybody with the fireworks... guess he still does not know she is out for his blood (and a new set of tables)

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Well his ex-could-have-been girlfriend suggested it ;)

And I think the cameos of Nina are there on purpose too... she seems very capable and smart, so she could come out of the blue, from the left field, causing a great deal of troubles to Lelouche.

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Originally Posted by Chiodos

Can anyone tell me who Marianne C.C is refraining to?

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Marianne is Lelouche's mother

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Originally Posted by David75

And I think the cameos of Nina are there on purpose too... she seems very capable and smart, so she could come out of the blue, from the left field, causing a great deal of troubles to Lelouche.

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Aye... Actually if Zero becomes a bit more public with the alliance with Nunnally, Nina could indeed try to use the opportunity to try to kill him. After all, while she's good at technology, apparently, it's not like she could ever find Zero normally. But with this latest development she might.

Nina definitely still wants to kill Zero for ruining her yuri dream of being with Euphie. She developed the freakin' atomic bomb supercharged with Sakuradite (which we know is excessively explosive on it's own from when Lelouch blew up the tanker with the Japanese Resistance Front's cowardly leaders aboard) solely to kill Zero with it.

Not that I really want to, but I'm surprised we haven't seen more of her yet.

On top of the comments posted so Far, i'd like to add two things aside from the Kallen scene that was well done and how Suzaku lost his battle command with a navy muahahhaha

anyone else LOL'ed when Lelouch abused his powers by having the britannian and his gang do push ups, howls, dances and all sorts of stupid things? Finally having some fun with the Geass eh? I'm surprised he never did that earlier

I'm also intrigued as to Rolo's true feelings towards Lelouch. Is he testing Lelouch to see how far his attachment to Nunnally goes and what it means for him in his psuedo-brother role, or does he just want to snap Lelouch out of his emo state? Either way, his motives remain one of the most mysterious segments of the show

also, thank you Viletta!

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I might just not be reading too much into this whole Rolo deal, but to me it's simple. He has never felt love or closeness towards anyone, and he wants to see if Lelouch will really give him that, if Lelouch will be his brother even though they both know they're not really brothers. It felt kind of obvious the way Rolo reacted when they talked about him and the fireworks. I think he is actually a very naiive and sweet guy, just very very VERY misguided.

MmmMMm.... Kallen would be the ideal woman. "Decieve me, use me as bait, command me!" LOL.

I think C.C says all those things about not caring about Lelouch returning, but I think she really does. The impression I got when Kaguya and C.C faced each other with a smile, and then C.C suddenly facing the other way was that she didn't want to show that she really cares if Lelouch returned. But deep down she is happy!

Or maybe she doesn't want to share him with Kaguya? =O.

She is indeed a very rare woman, she gained a lot of points for me in this episode but so did C.C. Kaguya just kinda annoyed me in season one, but her in this episode made me Lol.

I liked that new, abusive, drug addicted Lelouch a lot... he was pretty cool! I like it when the maincharacter turns 180 degrees (well ok, lelouch always had an abusive side, but this self-pity[drugs] is new in my eyes)

good episod, I loved the argument between Kallen and Lelouch and C.C reactions to simply everything in this episodes were funny too.
(<3 20:00 when she was happy to hear Lelouch's voice again :P)


but for some reason, in my opinion the Emperor's speech wasn't as good as it was in the older eps (for example when clovis died)... whenever he spoke, the end of the sentence was calm... and the words a bit stretched... it sounded so "superior" and "arrogant"

They still haven't touched on this yet, despite making a cliffhanger of it last time (or the time before):

What exactly did they do with Villetta?

They put her in a bathing-suit and is slowly turning her into their private little toy. :D

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They still haven't touched on this yet, despite making a cliffhanger of it last time (or the time before):

What exactly did they do with Villetta?

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There was no cliff hanger, they wrapped it up in EP 5. Basically they used the relationship she had with Ohgi while she had amnesia to blackmail her into keeping her mouth shut. If the Britainian government were to find out about it she'd lose all her status and very likely be thrown in prison as a traitor.

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Originally Posted by Crash

There was no cliff hanger, they wrapped it up in EP 5. Basically they used the relationship she had with Ohgi while she had amnesia to blackmail her into keeping her mouth shut. If the Britainian government were to find out about it she'd lose all her status and very likely be thrown in prison as a traitor.

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That's what happened when they pointed the gun at her. We haven't seen her since then though. Is she still thinking of a way to get out of this pinch, or is she just going with the flow? What else has Lelouch got her to do? Her main mission was to look for C.C. while Lelouch was just a bait.

The other thing they've mentioned since season 1 and haven't touched on since was Cecile. When Suzaku joined the Special Convoy, Lloyd asked her if it's because Suzaku reminded her of a certain someone. Not a major point, but still a loose end.

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Originally Posted by David75

When I was 13 I read a book about bermuda triangle.
One of the hypothesis regarding the sudden disapearing of ships was that at some point there is a massive submarine gaz realease, when that happens the density of gaz+water dramatically drops and ships sink in seconds... or litterally fall under water+gaz.
No floating ship, no matter how strong, can do anything against that unless they can fly... same goes for submarines.


I don't know if the idea cam from the same kind of source, but it's nice they used that one.

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I actually learned the answer to this one this week, so I figured I'd share, because it's pretty cool.

First, a quick lesson on torpedoes:
Torpedoes are aimed to hit where on a surface ship? a) The side, b) the bow or stern, or c) underneath, missing the ship ?

The correct answer is c). Detonating a torp underneath the ship creates a gas bubble, and the ship rides up on it a little...and then snaps in half. Military ships are huge things that cannot possibly support themselves under their own weight. They are built on huge struts that are usually cut out by experienced divers with torches after it's sitting in a flooded wet dock.

So when Lelouch sent up a massive air bubble, he actually sunk all those ships at the same time when they snapped in two under their own weight.

Here's a video of a destroyer being hit properly with a torpedo:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/124812...ts_battleship/


Submarines are a different matter entirely. Water gets in anywhere, the boat sinks.

in each of the videos, the explosion really is massive because the boat is lifted in the region were the blast is the most powerfull.
But still, in two cases in the video you clearly see the ship fall by a few meters. (just watch the float line.)

Again Lelouche used the idea that certainties are weaknesses...
Oh, you're sure the ground you walk on is very solid: I'll have it destroyed beneath you and win over you.

Oh, you're sure the water you float on will help you get to me: the giant gass bubble I'll create will sink your ships...

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I actually learned the answer to this one this week, so I figured I'd share, because it's pretty cool.

First, a quick lesson on torpedoes:
Torpedoes are aimed to hit where on a surface ship? a) The side, b) the bow or stern, or c) underneath, missing the ship ?

The correct answer is c). Detonating a torp underneath the ship creates a gas bubble, and the ship rides up on it a little...and then snaps in half. Military ships are huge things that cannot possibly support themselves under their own weight. They are built on huge struts that are usually cut out by experienced divers with torches after it's sitting in a flooded wet dock.

So when Lelouch sent up a massive air bubble, he actually sunk all those ships at the same time when they snapped in two under their own weight.

Here's a video of a destroyer being hit properly with a torpedo:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/124812...ts_battleship/


Submarines are a different matter entirely. Water gets in anywhere, the boat sinks.

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Is that really what happened in Lelouch's battle though? In the case of the torpedoes actually targeting a ship, it's supposed to create an upward force, preferably right in the middle of the ship. It then snaps the boat by making it a lever system. The middle, where the force is sharply applied, acts as the fulcrum, and the download force applied to either end is equal to half the weight of the ship. Unable to bear the force, the ship snaps .http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4077/89574158bv8.jpg

The key in that one though, is that you have a sharp upward force at one point to form a fulcrum, and distance enough from that point so the explosion gets enough leverage to break.

When you have a massive bubble like Lelouch's, it doesn't apply the force to one single point, but all around the ship. Something like that shouldn't break a ship as a torpedo would, since it'd be like riding a wave, whole ship goes up, whole ship goes down. There's no net difference in the force applied along the ship for it to exert it's weight onto. Just in this case, the wave doesn't hold you afloat.

It's hard to see whether the capsized ships were snapped in two after the methane hydrate kicked in, but from the sounds of things, they all just flipped over due to a sudden change in buoyancy and stability.

Despite the fact that it was single, enormous bubble, ships cannot support their own weight outside of water without some form of struts or stands.

Whether that was accurately animated, I can't say for sure, but that's what happens.

Will a free-falling ship just break apart if there was no uneven air resistance? I guess the point I was trying to say was that there wasn't a point where a a ship could exert it's weight if it was lifted with an evenly distributed force, hence no need to support it.

I think what Buffalobiian is saying makes more sense. The reason ships are built on struts is so that the keel of the ship does not support the entire weight of the ship at any point (This is what would happen if the ship was placed on land). In water, hydrostatic pressure forces come into play and are distrubuted across both the keel and the section of the hull that is submerged. This distrubution of force across the bottom ensures that the hull does not split.

Now imagine a torpedo blast right at the center of the keel that momentarily exerts a force (say equal to the ships weight). This is the equivalent to placing the center of the keel of the ship on a sharp point on land (much worse than simply having the entire keel support the weight of the ship which would also result in a snap). Consequently, the torpedo doesnt even necessarily have to exert a force equal to the weight of the ship to still be able to snap it in 2.

Anyways, this isnt really what happens with a big rising air bubble. Turbulent flow regions are created around the air bubble as it goes up and this messes up the normally symmetrical pressure forces being exerted on the hull on either side of the keel. As a result, there is danger of the boat turning over which is exactly what happened in the episode. At no point does the bubble cause the entire wieght of the ship to be supported on the keel.

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I think there will be a recap episode or something next week since there is no preview, dammit.

No (or not enough, but then again that is always the case) C.C., no credit for this episode.

I wonder what they can do after such an ep.

if some cheapo were to destroy the iceberg... maybe.

Does Lelouche think he has enough people amongst this large group to help organise a massive rebellion against britania worldwide?

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It has something to do with some stupid special in Akiba, and the vaguest of attachments to CG because some idol will make her VA debut some time in the future.

It was a very nice touch on Zero's part. Give Nunnally the appearance of being perfectly pure in her intentions, while forcing the burden of shooting or not upon Suzaku and the other Rounds. That way, Nunnally would still look like she had the proper intentions, and her administrators were betraying her and killing one million potentially innocent (but certainly not) people. That in turn would give a huge blow to the reputation of Britannia, possibly causing regions already conquered in believing that Britannia will not honor such treaties, and that ones still fighting have only oblivion as their option to not fighting.

As a bonus, it takes a huge chunk of Area 11's labor base away.

Since Sayako knew that the real Zero was aboard, she now is fully informed of his identity, what he was striving for, and what he just accomplished for Nunnally. I assume that even though she was recruited into the Black Knights, she still very much cared for Lelouch and Nunnally, since the two never once belittled her when she served them.

I'm still left with two questions from this episode:

- I wonder what Viletta will do now. She knows Ogi still cares for her, and is still willing to protect her.

- How exactly is Lelouch and Rollo's absence from school explained? Maybe I missed it, but I would think that the two of them leaving, coinciding with the mass exodus, would light a few bulbs. I would think that the Student Council might notice something, along with affirming the suspicions of both Suzaku and Nunnally.

Liked this ep, everything felt like it flowed decently and the story was actually interesting again. Lelouch has made a clean break from Area 11 but now will he fight Britannia on some other front or just let the OotBK settle down in ChIna and move on to some other method of fighting on his own. Either way I hope the next few eps involve more C.C. as she was annoyingly absent most of this episode.

I loled at this episode. I had "let my people go" ringing in my ear after watching this.

Anyway, Im glad that that the rebellion will leave japan. Iv been looking forward to see how Zero and the OotBKs will fight on the world stage.

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That was a well balanced episode, and the manner which Zero escaped was just excellent. Nothing like a little trickery

I think that the Chinese Federation will start to pulls some strings from here on as suggested by the talk with Xing Ke.

One cannot guess what will happen in 09 and that's great.

Now on the downside ; who the fuck cares about that stupid special in Akiba

Very interesting. Zero has made the proclamation that nothing can strip a nations identity as long as they have pride. Methinks he's going to be sailing around in the ocean picking up other Numbers to fight for his cause.

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It doesn't really matter now if Britainiana knows Zero's identity. They've already exiled him as punishment. He's decided to end his rebellion in Area 11 and give his friends and family a place where they can be at peace. He's moving on and fighting his battle elsewhere.

It does matter, since if he causes too much of a ruckus, there is always Nunnally to take as a hostage and use against him.

Still, it was a dangerous gamble. There is no way Lelouch can be sure how Suzaku has changed in that year. He might very well have ordered the execution of the BKs. What I hate about this episode is the fact that it opened up the possibility of having Suzaku and Lelouch eventually teaming up, especially with Suzaku's doubt about Lelouch's intentions with regards to Euphy's death.

Who put the first candle in that pond thingy that already had Euphemia on it? Was it Lelouch? Cornelia?

And Xing Ke has a life-threatening disease I guess? We need to see more of him, tbh. His fighting skills seem to be on par with Suzaku's, and his logic and thinking skills seems to be quite adequate as well.

i cant beleave nobody comented on 17:38 lower right corner i loled so hard i woke up my wife i still giggle

This was clearly inspired by V for Vendetta.

With this episode, we finally see a major advancement in plot. Sure, the last couple of eps were dealing with some of the problems that happened during the year break, winning a love deprived brother, and doing some of the good (but repeated) feats from last season. This last move takes Zero's fight to a new level, and potentially acquiring other resistance armies as allies, starting with the Chinese Federation.

What I liked was that they finally tried something new (if you don't count the Methane Hydrate), and revived the awesome trickery that was CG S1.

As for Suzaku and Lelouch potentially teaming up, I guess I don't really mind as long as it leads there naturally, rather than a forced ending because the director wants it to end that way.

The way I see things Suzaku may be the one to make Lelouche's dream come true.
He will be the one living in a beautiful world of peace with Nunally, thanks to Lelouche of course.

At least for some days/weeks it's what will happen in area 11.
It's not sure it will last, but in a way, it is already happening.

This episode was awesome, even though it was a bit funny with all those Zero's there but still it was awesome...

and it felt like i was watching a movie or something? this were only 24 minutesright? and yet SOOOOO much happened! its actually hard to believe

this is the best episode of s2 so far in my opinion! to be honest I thought of stopping watching it because it got boring, but now it got me back

and I start to like anya... she is actually a pretty cute character :P


Haha oh man, it feels like season 2 will end in like ~2 or 3 episodes now.... yet we have so many things left which need explanation etc.

will season 2 also have 26 episodes?


wow... really there was not even a single second which was boring this episode... everything was well done

edit: btw I don't want to make it better than it actually was but really... this episode was very good.

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OMG Neko Zero supports the rebellion

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will season 2 also have 26 episodes?

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Season 1 was 25 episodes not 26 and season 2 should be 25 episodes as well unless something changed I'm unaware of.


As for the episode this was just excellent overall and definitely gives us tons of options for the future. Thing is they still only have the Gurren for a Mecha right now so I expect the next episode to be them obtaining a lot more Mecha and hopefully a few more ace pilots.

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Season 2 will also have 25 episodes

Edit: DDBen beat me.

Well according to ANN, the info's right.


Edit2: Flashy 1 million Zeros distracted me from this. Suzaku's "live" geass is still active. An interesting scenario: What would happen if Nunnaly was in danger, but Suzaku saving her would be suicide. Would he have the willpower to overcome it? I guess with his "live" geass, we can forget about any flashy hero sacrifices from him.

from what we've seen from euphy is that the geass seems to be "resistable" at least for a short time.... so, maybe if he tries hard enough, he will jump into the bullet which is meant for lelouch...

thats the way I think it will end anyways.. suzaku lying in Lelouch's(zero's), lelouch is amazed that he was able to resist the geass effect and crys etc. ^^

The only problem I have with that is, when you look at how Euphy did it, she was only able to stop herself from killing Suzaku, but was so concentrated in doing that that she couldn't really do anything else. I would think Euphie not killing Suzaku would be somewhere up at the epitome of willpower.

Now, not only would Suzaku have to resist the urge to live, but to then have the co-ordination and movement to go and step/dive in the way and block a bullet, all while having his entire mind concentrating on defying Lelouch's order. It could happen, but it would mean he'd have to love Lelouch more than he loves Euphie. <here be screaming Yaoi fans>

Well, Suzaku isn't human so his ability to resist the geass under pressure shouldn't be compared with that of a human. If anyone is going to be able to defy previously established axioms in this show it's going to be Suzaku.

Now that's interresting because it loops with the discussion around the guinea pig girl...
The scenario is vicious enough for us not being able to state anything clearly. Did the girl stop because she has been arrested, or because of the hypotetical geass time limit?

It then leads to Suzaku.. maybe he'll have to choose hreoic suicide the day the geass wears out.. or he'll be able to overcome it for seconds as euphie did...

Or maybe if he DOES somehow overcome the Geass then Lelouch Geass would be broken. I mean the effect is as powerfull as the Geass itself is right? So if the effect is broken permanently then perhaps Lelouch Geass will be broken.

I like to think about some of the implications they made about Suzaku's geass command. Suzaku clearly put himself into deadly situations over and over again, as some sick twisted penance for what he did to his father and everyone else.

Jumping in front of Lelouch in season 1 eps 1, all the fun with the Lancelot, etc. Lelouch has almost imposed a punishment on Suzaku, prolonging his self-suffering by forcing him to "live" and defend himself.

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But that definitely was not his intent, and that is what Suzaku is wondering about. How can someone who cares for him enough to waste a command to save his life (while Suzaku was trying to kill Zero BTW) kill Euphy?

I actually thought that the reason Euphy was able to resist the geass is not solely because of willpower, but also because she was near death. Maybe when one is about to die, the geass starts to weaken, and thus easier to break free from.

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Two more things worth mentioning about this episode.

1) Schneizel wants a nuke. For what ever reason he wants it for, I think he'll have a successful model by the end of the series, if not earlier.

2) Lloyd is not a guy. No guy can stare elsewhere.

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......maybe he's satisfied with the one that used to hang out with Lelouch and gang, the one with the glasses?...

OR!!

...he's having heavy sexuall fantasies in his mind atm?
And no, not me... -_-

Lloyd only cares about his technological toys. He's that kind of a man. Maybe if Cecile was an android or at least a cyborg he would be all over her...

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I actually thought that the reason Euphy was able to resist the geass is not solely because of willpower, but also because she was near death. Maybe when one is about to die, the geass starts to weaken, and thus easier to break free from.

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When I said Euphy was able to resist the geass effect for a while, I wasn't acutally thinking about her not killing Suzaku

When Lelouch gave her the command (by accident) to kill all elevens she struggled really hard and the geass wasn't taking effect... it was like she was fighting the command which takes over her body and lost the fight after a shortly after

In all other cases the effect took place DIRECTLY after the command was given... in Euphy's case however, it did not.
So with pure willpower it might be possible to resist it for a short moment.

There arent that many up to the task to prove that they can resist, or atleast try to resist the Geass for the moment.
What I see, Euphie was just one case. Hopefully, we will not see another one.

I find it interesting nobody is discussing the parts of this episode I found the most important.

1. Euphie on the candle was clearly done by either Lelouch or Cordelia and as the latter is missing I think Suzaku assumed it was done by Lelouch.

2. Suzaku made mention that he really wants to talk to Lelouch about what happened with Euphie because he figured out that he wouldn't order her to do that based on him ordering Suzaku to live.

Essentially it seems Suzaku is really starting to consider what lies he's been told by V.V. and Charles and it seems like he's actually wavering from his completely loyal change it from within for the first time in a long time.

well we don't discuss this because everyone agrees

at least thats why I didn't bring this up.
but is he really "wavering from his completely loyal change it from within" ?

I don't think so, actually the fact that lelouch left him and Nunally to reign over "japan" gives him the feeling that he does the right thing and that it is possible to reach a peaceful "Japan" this way

And its not like the king and V.V. knew that it was an accident right? so its not really a lie

they probably told suzaku that he's got a geass which has the power to order people around.

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well we don't discuss this because everyone agrees

at least thats why I didn't bring this up.
but is he really "wavering from his completely loyal change it from within" ?

I don't think so, actually the fact that lelouch left him and Nunally to reign over "japan" gives him the feeling that he does the right thing and that it is possible to reach a peaceful "Japan" this way

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This would be correct if Suzaku stays in Japan from now on. Of course there is ZERO chance of that happening if Zero is causing a much larger rebellion somewhere else. The fact he made reference to be willing to hear out Lelouch certainly to me at least means that he still somewhere deep inside wants to believe and support his friend. Its the first time he hasn't felt his choice was unconditionally correct. Even if he was wrong in the past he would still believe that he must have done the right thing to move on with his current plans.

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I would argue the complete opposite here. There is no question that the Emperor choose very carefully who he sent to govern Japan. There is no question he knew of the connection between Lelouch's mother and Cornelia and Zero chance he didn't know of the relationship between Euphie and Lelouch as children. He's playing his pieces in order to get the strongest to survive and challenge him.

So V.V. almost certainly knew for Lelouch to kill someone that important to him like that something must have gone incredibly wrong and without question that was made certain when they found him with a Geass unable to be turned off.

btw another interesting question is... will Zero still go to school?

If not... then.. well what will happen to the woman (forgot her name) who loves Ohgi?
Suzaku will know that Lelouch's memory returned for sure, and then he will begin to ask questions why Rollo and that woman didn't notice it and so on

Acutally everyone will know that Lelouch is, at least, a Member of the Black Knights.

Since Rollo very likely follows Lelouch anywhere he goes, Viletta can try to cover her guilt by claiming Rollo helped Lelouch to keep his secret. It won't save her career for she failed nonetheless but maybe her neck. Of course it would be ideal if she followed Ougi, but I doubt she can swallow her ambition and Britannian pride and head for a voluntary exile.

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btw another interesting question is... will Zero still go to school?

If not... then.. well what will happen to the woman (forgot her name) who loves Ohgi?
Suzaku will know that Lelouch's memory returned for sure, and then he will begin to ask questions why Rollo and that woman didn't notice it and so on

Acutally everyone will know that Lelouch is, at least, a Member of the Black Knights.

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They were last seen packing, so perhaps they organised a holiday or something to cover the fact that they're leaving. It shouldn't be the last time we see Lelouch at the academy, but I think he's leaving for the time being. He'll also have to interact with the Chinese Federation. You can't ask that big a favour and not at least greet them, really.

and there was another thing I did not understand

Lelouch revealed his face to his "maid"... ok this itsself is not a problem because he didn't act like Zero himself when he said that "Zero prepared everything" etc

BUT... I'm not too sure anymore right now, but wasn't the maid @ nunallys side even after the revolution etc.?

And why is she on that ship anyways, I know that she is a Number, but a rebell?

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Since Sayako knew that the real Zero was aboard, she now is fully informed of his identity, what he was striving for, and what he just accomplished for Nunnally. I assume that even though she was recruited into the Black Knights, she still very much cared for Lelouch and Nunnally, since the two never once belittled her when she served them.

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In threads that are dozens of pages, I understand, but this one isn't that long...but all the Black Knights things with Sayoko was in the final four episodes of season 1.

Deithard recruited her into the Intelligence side of the Black Knights back in season 1. She's the one that set off the Gefjun disrupter that trapped Suzaku at the Academy in eps 25-26.

....Not to mention they've shown her in the OP of every episode this season on the Black Knight's side, and we've seen her in China with Diethard, Kaguya, and Raksharta no less than 3 times.

Oops sry

well I don't remember much from season 1... and I'm not the one who watches Openings over and over again. So I didn't notice that.

However "ignoring" your post on the first page is unforgivable :P
I joined the conversation when I made my first post and I was so amazed by this episode that I simply forgot to read the stuff which was alrdy postet hehe...

(I don't read it before I watch the episode because of spoilers etc)