Another cool episode for this series, the final scene was awesomely intense. Love Stain, but kinda believe we were now starting to scratch beyond the surface, and now I assume he's going to be sidelined.
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Another cool episode for this series, the final scene was awesomely intense. Love Stain, but kinda believe we were now starting to scratch beyond the surface, and now I assume he's going to be sidelined.
Sure Endeavor is an ass but he is nr 2 for a reason. He IS a hero and a damn good one at that.Not what you would expect but he even shows proper respect for Gran Torino.
But yeah Stain is a badass. The world deserves a better class of heroes. And he's going to give it to them by weeding out the ones that are only after fame. I mean he saved Midoriya, not just because that Nomu was wrecking stuff without purpose but also because I think he believes Midoriya has the makings of a hero.
From their reactions, seems like Heroes aren't allowed to kill villains either. Which, makes sense given that they're civil servants.
Since they didn't even get him into custody, I would not count that as capturing him, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
I'm kinda confused as to why they used ropes to hold him instead of Shoto's ice.
Ice would kill him in a bit.
Oh right, I forgot they treat it like real ice.
Oh, I just assumed he died since his lung got punctured, he lost consciousness, and nobody when to give him breathing support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Considering you're a doctor, one would hope you know humans have two lungs!
But... is Stain a human?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
I don't even understand how he can move so fast even though his quirk is a blood whatever thing.
Or how Endeavor pushes like All Might, even if he's all jacked up and shit. Or that Deku with Full Cowl can dash between walls but lands mediocre punches. Stain took them all and came back up right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
@ Ryll: Tension pneumothorax man!
Izuku should now carry a one hit defeat weapon, like a knife or an overpowered stun baton. It just makes perfect sense as a pair up to his speed and agility boost.
So, I was rewatching the series lately and I noticed something I don't think I did before.
I noticed that usually when someone does a flashy attack, the screen gets drastically dimmed.
It's that supposed to be a stylistic choice, or is it some kinda anti-epilepsy measure?
Specific examples? I can only ever remember All Might punches and shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
edit: I sampled a few clips during the cavalry fight, Uraraka vs Bakugo, and Midoriya vs Todoroki. I tend to agree with you.
Scenes are darker when either
1) Characters in the foreground are shadowed with white blinding backgrounds in the rear, or
2) Entire scenes are darker when debris/dust/ice is flying around everywhere post-blast.
I'm more inclined to take it as a stylistic choice rather than an anti-epileptic countermeasure.
edit2: Answer = broadcast laws.
https://anime.stackexchange.com/ques...s-in-new-anime
Thanks for finding the answer!
Man, now I wish I had the disc versions now that I know the color is going to be better.
Surprised you didn't notice -- this has been going on since season 1 and has been extremely annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
I think I might have just assumed it was a dramatic thing. Dimming the screen to make the explosions...I dunno, pop or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by lelouch
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So...first mention of what I assume is the Big Bad of the series. All For One. I can tell I'm going to have trouble keeping the two names straight...
It's funny to me that Creati seems to resent being chosen for just her looks to do frivolous model-type things...but still chose that outfit.
She doesn't have a choice, she creates items by pulling it out of her skin it seems.
In the macro set of things, things are getting interesting. Can't wait to see where they take us, and it seems like the show is not afraid of showing some explicit violence when necessary.
So we have All Might that has One for All, and then someone called All for One. I wonder if that's merely a name for the ability or simply what the person calls himself. It's curious, since All Might is what... the 8th member of One for All? So have to wonder if this is merely one dude or just another successor like All Might. And if they came up from the same era as the original One for All or if he's someone more recent.
All Might mentions the multiple quirks thing from Nomu, so another transference type of ability maybe? A mad scientist?
So there's something to DarthEnderX's theory I guess considering the transfer of All for One and the qualities that may or may not be inherited.
And LOL @ Endeavor getting all the credit. The League of Villains or whatever their name is now profiting from Stain, who actually didn't care for them. I wonder what Stain will do, if anything, once he learns this is occurring.
Guess we'll learn in time, filler episode next.
Well, it also seems like All For One might be an opposite of One For All's powers.
One For All is inheriting the power of other people. While All For One seems to be giving other people powers(hence the Nomus having multiple quirks).
Why do people think they can only have one quirk? What about people like Shoto..?
Not people, but characters with authority in the subject. The question then is, is his considered 1 or 2 quirks? Also, if we go by the 2 theory, then maybe that's that max they may have seen naturally (one from the dad side and and the second from the mom side).Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
But good point regardless.
Yeah, but what if you breed the quirks across multiple generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
You have someone like Shoto who got a quirk from his mom and another from his dad, and they have a child with someone else who has a quirk from her mother and one from her dad. That child could then potentially have 4 quirks. And the next generation could have 8, and so on.
However, we know children aren't guaranteed to have their parents quirk. I believe they implied Endeavor had several kids before getting "the result he wanted" with Shoto. So those other kids probably only had one of the two quirks. And of course Deku didn't get his mother's quirk.
So the odds of that grandchild having all 4 quirks or the great grandchild having all 8 is probably highly unlikely.
The correct way to use Shoto's quirk is just to use ice. It's fast, it traps movement, and it has a cone of effect. The only bad thing about it was that it freezes himself. Now that he's got heat to defrost, it grants him unlimited freeze. Just rock that and use attacks like the ice pillar he used against Deku in their fight.
This is especially true if killing people is supposed to be bad. Endeavour grabbing the Nomu's head and burning the living fuck out of it was cool to watch, but not applicable to most flimsier villains. Burns are a pretty big deal. Bigger than this show seems to depict (on Stain).
@Darth I think Endeavor 'kept going' because none of his kids had the perfect 50/50 ratio he was looking for. The dude was pretty much EV breeding.
Solid ref.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
They kind of glossed over it in the anime, but his older brothers and sisters are weaker versions of either their father or their mother. As in, either his diminished the strength of hers, or hers diminished the strength of his.
Shoto is the only one who maintained the strength of each quirk. It's not ratio so much as interfered or didn't.
Well, I noticed his sister's hair was all white like his mother. I assumed she had all the ice powers and none of the fire.
Episode 32
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That's how you do filler. I would hesitate to put it at the cannon's level of quality, but it didn't forget what show it belonged to and played to the show's themes in a way that made it feel natural. Entertaining and I also enjoyed the guest hero's crew and continue to appreciate that people aren't idiots in MHA.
It can't have been that good, because I immediately suspected it was filler.
I really hope this was a one off and each member of Deku's class isn't going to get their own little filler arc here. The whole reason this show went on hiatus was so we wouldn't HAVE filler like Naruto or terrible pacing like One Piece...
I just realized Stain totally looks like a Ninja Turtle. He's straight up got the same mask as them, and he has that super-wide toothy mouth that they do as well.
For a filler episode it was alright, until we got to the Froppy portion... I didn't care for how that whole event went down. But can't complain much. I really like her character, so was hoping for something better. I liked seeing Uraraka training and I hope that's cannon (even if the scene itself wasn't).
I don't think we'll get much more fillers than this, at least from the preview it seems like we're going back to the main story. I haven't read the manga this far, so can't tell for sure.
Agreed with everybody. Filler sucks, but Froppy makes it okay.
Also, if I had a squid face, Iīd be a villain, too. Thatīs just unfair.
Also when you're named after a Lovecraft story.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Although I assume Innsmouth is just his villain codename and not his real name.
At least he fought against his destiny somewhat and didn't become a sex offender, despite having tentacles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Is that a spoiler or just an assumption of yourīs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Japan+tentacles. But he was a smuggler.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
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MASSIVE FUCKING LORE DUMP!!
So yeah, there is another Quirk involved in OfA that gives them the super strength. The "ability to store up power". It's just combined with a second quirk that lets you pass on a quirk.
AfO is brutal. Not just giving others powers, but taking them as well. I'm sure there's some mechanic to it. Interested to find out what it is.
I hope All Might is able to hold on at least until Midoriya graduates. It's only a 3 year program and we're already at the end of the first year.
Poor Grape Juice...earphone jack in the eye...
So yeah OFA does pass on additional quirks along with itself. The main power is to transfer Quirks and the second one is Super Strength. But...how many wielders of OFA were Quirkless? I mean All-Might used to be so wouldn't OFA have been wasted on him if the main goal was to stock-up power and Quirks? Unless merely passing it on strengthens all the Quirks it has.
Two things Iīm not sure about:
- when All for One "steals" abilities, is the original owner left without his ability? Probably, because that wouldnīt make much sense.
- Similarily, when AfO gives an ability to somebody else, does he himself get still use it? Probably not, because then how did All Might defeat him, huh?
And damn, Mineto, sooo close.
I wonder if the AfO man can only hold a certain number of quirks before he needs to pass at least one on to somebody to steal a new one. After all, I seem to recall that the Nomus become as witless as they are because the human brain can't handle more than a few quirks before breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
That disgusting dude deserves an earphone jack in his eye. Actually he should get a few in both eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
That being said, I hope the summer camp really includes an obligatory onsen, beach, or equivalent episode.
Maybe he catalogs them somehow, like Chrollo in HxH to avoid having to process them all at once?
Is the summer camp in the manga? Because it's the kind of thing that SOUNDS like filler...
Also, I just realized that from our perspective, this entire school year was, like, 4 weeks long.
They had a couple different tests the first week. Then they went right to the festival. Then right into the internships. And now we're at final exams already.
Next arc is cannon, I believe.
***Possible spoiler warning***
As far as I remember, the manga itself hasn't entered the next school year yet, so they got plenty left to do in this grade.
You know, Iīve seen some SJW-infested forums complain about Minetaīs peeping attempt, but ... how is he at fault? He didnīt choose to be in that room. He hadnīt planned on peeping because he didnīt know about the hole. So all he does is take a look through a hole he accidentally discovered. And ... itīs just a look. Sorry, but Iīd do the exact some.
Now, if he was somehow taking photos, thatīd be a whole different thing, but taking a look? Kami-sama granted him with a chance, thatīs all. :>
He planned on peeping as soon as he saw a hole and had reasonable suspicions on what he could see on the other side. Just because he didn't have to work for that opportunity doesn't change the fact it's morally wrong. It does mean his indecency is less in the eyes of the court than someone who actually drilled the hole.
Yeah, and we've previously established you're kind of a scumbag.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
If he was just looking in a random hole and didn't know what was behind it, that would be one thing, but he knew exactly what the hole was and was even talking about all the non-consensual nudity he was going to get to see.
I did enjoy Earphone's Jack's response, if only because of her pride.
Itīs a tiny hole, Mineta isnīt at fault for it being there. And whoīs gonna be hurt bei a simple look? As I said: If the hole was big enough to take photos, itīd be a whole different matter, but a look? Guess Iīm old-fashioned in that regard, but thatīs what we did as boys, too. Well, we tried. Minetaīs consecutive failures are quite realistic :(Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Yes, kids do lots of things that would be considered wrong, or criminal, if adults did them. That doesn't make it okay, it just means they don't know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
For the record, I'm not saying this shouldn't be happening in this show, or that they shouldn't have had him do it, or even that getting stabbed in the eye is a proportionate response for his crime. It's anime, and it's the classic perv character. It's fine.
I'm just saying, if you're saying you honestly don't understand why what he's doing is wrong, then it means you're kind of a creep.
That said, he is still a hilarious dipshit for not realizing that the hole that allows the passage of light would also allow the passage of sound.
Fixed that for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
And peeping, camera or not, is actually a crime in a lot of places in the world.
As I said: Itīs all about the situation came about.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
If I set up the rooms so I could peep => total creep, and criminal if found out and police is noticed
If I enter the room that I was assigned to, look around and coincidentally find that hole, take a look and see hot naked girls => me being lucky. Depending on how long I stare, a bit of a creep, too. But definitely not an evil person.
And Mineta was definitely closer to situation #2, although him telling all the guys about it makes it a bit creepier. But thatīs where them being teenage boys comes into play.
Again: If taking photos or something was involved, Iīd agree that itīd be bad. But taking a look, from a situation you didnīt intend to be? Thatīs just you being lucky and nobody is really hurt. What would have happened if Mineta saw some boobs? Him going around and telling others "Hey, those girls have nice boobs!"? lol
Yeah, heīs an idiot ;>Quote:
That said, he is still a hilarious dipshit for not realizing that the hole that allows the passage of light would also allow the passage of sound.
If I enter the room that I was assigned to, look around and coincidentally find that hole,Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
-strongly suspect that the hole leads to the girl's change room,
-understand I'm about to do something wrong/criminal,
-and go do it anyway
=> me intending and performing the crime.
If I coincidentally found a crowbar, strongly suspect that hitting you over the head will kill you, understand that what I'm about to do is wrong, and do it anyway - that's murder. That's not manslaughter or me having some (un)lucky accident at the wrong place at the wrong time.
It's not a victimless crime like you think it is (other people having carnal knowledge of you). And if it is a victimless crime, then who cares if you spent days drilling a hole for a peek, or if you took pictures?
Somehow you don't understand that this is a deliberate act of peeking at others. Yes, he was handed the opportunity on a silver platter. He still knew what he was doing before he did it. That makes it deliberate.
Can we at least agree that taking a look through a tiny hole without planning to do so is the lightest crime one could possibly commit?
I mean, it's not great. But I suppose on a scale of jaywalking to genocide, it's in the lower half.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I have no problem with kids peeping. Part of the fun growing up, as scummy as it is.
But he DID know what the hole was and what he'd find looking through it. I mean he said all himself, so not sure why you MFauli are making him to be some innocent ignorant bystander. He knew full what he was doing and what he was going to see through it.
Edit:
So All for One can forcibly steal Quirks, and One for All can only be transferred if the users wish it.
Wonder how that will work when they clash with one another.
It's not like that dude would have lost anything by peeping since the whole class already knew he's a petty pervert. I'm glad nobody else got involved since they don't have such an unfortunate reputation. Ignoring any moral factors, from such a practical point of view it's questionable to knowingly risk peeping on your classmates whom you are seeing nearly every day still for the next couple of years. Of course since they are the beautiful female classmates, there might exist extra interest, but it's better to wait for legit chances to see some skin (beach, pool, etc).
But did he know about the hole before entering the room? Thatīs what Iīm disputing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Also lol @Kraco. So what about the girls knowing theyīve been peeped on? "Oh no, you swine, you saw me naked!" - "Yeah, youīre hot." -> consequence?
A. Why would that make any difference? And B. Considering it was BEHIND a poster on the wall, yeah, I'm willing to bet that he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/peeping-tom/Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Of course, he's a minor. So he wouldn't get the, say, 12 months in prison + fine and adult would for a Class 1 Misdemeanor.
But Mfauli is German.
http://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/die-strafrechtliche-behandlung-des-voyeurismus_043905.html
From the post I got this from:
"It's a long article, in German, and I won't translate it, but in a nutshell it says that voyeurism is only a criminal offense if the voyeur takes photos. This doesn't seem to be the case."
Looks like it's just a civil case there...
I wasnīt talking about legal consequence. Kraco wrote that itīd be bad because Mineta and co. would be seeing the girls every day for the next years. I was wondering why that would be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Also thx shinta, educating everyone about (superior) German law. Seriously, 12 months in prison?! The USA really are a hellhole.
There are many kinds of reputations and images a person can have among their peers. A pervert is one I wouldn't desire to be, and I think the same goes for many characters in this show. Even a mad dog like Bakugo is better; people might be wary or scared of him, but at least they don't look down on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I donīt see how people would look down on someone for peeping. "Look at this swine. Heīs interested in girls!!1"
On the contrary, Iīd use that situation to my advantage, like, say, Froppy complains about my peeping, I tell her that I just think sheīs so beautiful and that Iīd like to date her. Even if she declines, it establishes me as someone with serious ambitions instead of just some pervert.
Depends on the people who catch you, and who you are peeping on.
Peeping on Putin in the Kremlin and getting caught by his guards? Bad.
Peeping on a slutty grandma who poses nudes on Tumblr and getting caught by the neighborhood kids? Safe.
Wtf kind of examples are that? both make me barf
He didn't, but that's barely relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
"Buff, I hereby prosecute you for attempted murder"
"Oh, but did I know about the knife before I got in the room?"
-_-
Look at this guy, he thinks with his dick and shows no moral restraint from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Why are you only interested in girls if you commit a crime towards them?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
"Well, he raped that girl. But at least it proves he's interested in them!"
You can be interested in girls AND respect their privacy.
...you're lucky it's this year. Or else I'd totally disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
It's actually still not. Despite the president, it's paradise compared to places like the Philippines or Russia.
And both me and Mineta (in this episode) do. Nobody went out of their way invade any girlsī privacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Even before, the USA had no general healthcare for everyone, had guns for everyone, and kept shooting black people for no good reason. On top of that you now have an immense SJW-crisis where people feel offended by just about anything.Quote:
...you're lucky it's this year. Or else I'd totally disagree with you.
Yeah, Iīd have been right any year of the past decade.
He absolutely did. And it's sad that you think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
It's really weird that you consider those first three things negatives, but then also consider SJW's a negative, when those first 3 things are exactly the kinds of things SJWs are against.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
This is why you come off as such a creep. You like free healthcare, gun control, are against racism, but for some reason have no respect for women. It's like this weird blind spot you have in an otherwise progressive world view.
He entered a changing room for boys, had no idea about the hole, and then happened to find out about it. No premediated action takes place.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Itīs almost like Iīm an individual and not part of the USAīs childish "two sides"-system.Quote:
It's really weird that you consider those first three things negatives, but then also consider SJW's a negative, when those first 3 things are exactly the kinds of things SJWs are against.
I donīt think unplanned peeping is evil and makes you Hitler-reincarnate. Thatīs really all. No idea why this makes me lack respect women in every aspect.Quote:
This is why you come off as such a creep. You like free healthcare, gun control, are against racism, but for some reason have no respect for women. It's like this weird blind spot you have in an otherwise progressive world view.
He very much premeditated looking into it KNOWING full well what he'd see through it. Sorry, but this attempt of yours to make it into a "Hey look a random hole, I'm curious about what I can see through it" ridiculousness is quite daft.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
If he had respect for women, and not only lust, he would have shouted through the hole to the girls to somehow patch it from the other end. Or he would have kept silent about it right then (and obviously not looked through) and contacted the maintenance later. That way the girls wouldn't have even needed to suspect any violations, knowing nothing about it.
No matter how this case is twisted, it won't turn ok. It's not like a mixed gender sauna at a pool female classmates could knowingly enter.
From the beginning, my point was the way that Mineta attempted to look through the hole was the least bad/evil you could possibly imagine. Whereas others fit an outrage about what a scummy, monstrous person he is because of the attempt. I never disagreed that in legal terms, peeping is criminal and holds consequences if caught by the police.
However, morally speaking, peeping on girls through a small hole is on the lower end of the spectrum (rape and then murder would be on the other end). I cannot accept the generalization that someone who uses a coincidential circumstance to peep on girls doesnīt respect women. Simply because the crime/moral wrongdoing here is so incredibly insignificant that itīs - really - nothing.
Take the last episode Youkoso Jitsuryoku for a different example. A significantly more severe one. Here, several boys PLAN from start to end the peeping on girls. AND they want to make photos/videos of them being naked. That is something Iīd condemn, because it takes great effort, planning and risks the spreading of the material, thus really hurting the girls. THAT is "not respecting women".
I can not change your mind if you want to mark me as a creep who doesnīt respect women, because I defend the unintended peeping through a small hole. But thatīs what Iīve gotta live with then. Because no matter how hard I think about it, I cannot see the severity in all of it. Imagine Mineta had kept quiet, watched the girls change, the end. What would have happened? Mineta being happy and ...? Nah, I donīt see the "disrespecting women" here.
No one is arguing that peeping is terribly high on the spectrum on this forum.
What we are arguing is that it is on the spectrum. By repeatedly saying that it's okay or coincidental is to say it is not on the spectrum, which is false. To say his peeping was unintended is also false.
How can it be unintended when HE ANNOUNCED WHAT HE WAS DOING AND WHY HE WAS DOING IT BEFORE HE EVEN DID IT?!Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
What you're describing here is the difference between grabbing money out of a cash register, and committing armed robbery of a bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
They're both different degrees of severity of the same issue. Just because you COULD be robbing a bank, and aren't, doesn't make it okay to swipe money from a register.
We know you don't...Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Difference being that I think there is a certain leeway on the spectrum of terribleness that is justifiable, because it registers so lowly/insignificantly on said spectrum. Other examples would be speeding 5 km/h over the official speed limit, or pirating anime online - both of which, however, are worse than an unintentional peep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
And how can it not be unintended? I feel weīre going in circles here. Mineta didnīt know about the hole before entering the room. He happened to find it. Then tried to look through it. Thatīs it. Intent would have been there had he known about the hole.
@Darth: You can try all you want to paint me as misogyinist here, it wonīt make it true. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I don't have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
So let me ask: Respecting women in literally any other regard, but thinking that unintentional peeping through a small hole is okay, makes me a misogynist? So Iīm on the same level as someone who believes woman should stay at home with the kids and do the cooking?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Pardon me, but I think youīre ridiculous, Darth. And youīre doing exactly the kind of shit that SJWs do: "Youīre either 100% for us or 100% against us". Except, ya know, Iīm in-between. Like most people.
I wonder if this discussion would have went on for as long as it is if the roles were reversed. If a girl peeped and got caught.
As far as I can remember the ep, it did not go this way: "Huh, what is this hole in the wall? Does it lead to the next room or something? Was there a cable here before? Hmm... Holy shit, it's the girls' changing room!"Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
It went this way: "Hey, guys, I found there's a hole in this wall and on the other side of the wall must be the girls' fricking changing room! Let's look through this and check which chick has the most fabulous body!"
That's as intentional and intended as it could ever need to be. Check out one of your famous German detective stories on TV, MFauli. Quite often the murder victim is killed simply with something that happened to be readily at hand, not with a gun purchased just for the purpose.
This discussion is hilarious.
@Kraco: Do you admit that there is a difference in intent between going into your own changing room and HAPPEN to find that hole, and going into your own changing room BECAUSE you know there is that hole? Thatīs the difference Iīm arguing.
Nobody would give a shit then, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
I actually would. My main gripe with peeping is that it isn't about some hot girl gracing a horny boy with some skin. It's about the feelings of those who DON'T want to be seen, be it physical deformities, scars, or just general insecurity about their bodies. Peeping in on them robs them of this privacy and will hurt their feelings or instill fear within them. In that sense, there is no difference between the sexes on both sides, victim or perpetrator.
To be clear, this isn't related to the topic at hand, just a side comment about Mfauli's last remark.
That point is not relevant. What matters is what you do with the hole. It's not an always on TV on the wall, hooked up to a camera in the girls' changing room. It's a tiny hole you need to specifically peek through. You could just leave the hole alone and not care about it. That would be neutral. Or if you are trying to be especially upstanding (like Iida whenever he's not seeking revenge), you would probably patch it shut. Since it's a hero academia, I guess few would blame you if you tried to be like a hero and get rid of the hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
What comes to the reverse situation, let's not forget the old axiom: If a man sees an unwilling woman naked, the man is a pervert. If a woman sees an unwilling man naked, the man is a pervert.
Definitions of words are what do that. You either fit the definition of something, or you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
If you only murder a few people, you don't get to say you're "in-between" because of all the people you also didn't murder. You are still a murderer.
Thinking that it is okay to look at women naked without their consent means you don't respect women. Straight up, that is what that means. And your attitude is basically "Hey, at least I'm not okay with raping them! That practically makes a feminist!"
Apparently this wasn't obvious.
11:50 - "Next door is, you know.. The girl's locker room."
11:59 - /rips off poster to enable better peeking.
12:00 - "boobs'
12:02 - /peeks.
He knows. Then he peeks. That's fucking INTENT.
--{in before "This is really minor" (again)}
--Yeah, probably. Still intentional. That doesn't change.
-----------{in before "This is justifiable"}
------------Still intentional. That doesn't change.
This post is written for reference. I'm going to keep referring back to this post when I must repeat myself again.
@Kraco: I do think it matters. The whole problem in this debate here is the point in time at which you consider intent to come into existence. I would agree that AFTER Mineta discovered the hole, he formed the intent to take a look through it. Yes. HOWEVER, my argument is that he didnīt know about the hole prior to coincidentially stumbling over it. So the entire situation wasnīt planned, it was not his intent to enter the changing room and peep on the girls. There was not intent at the point in time.
Following from there, I think itīs an important difference that the deity of luck shone on somebody, granting him this chance, and somebody who prepared the situation beforehand (see Youkoso Jitsuryoku for a perfect example of INTENT).
Trying to summarize the whole debate:
- Yes, peeping is always a bit scummy
- But it doesnīt hurt anybody when it happens through a tiny hole and without the intent of using devices to take pictures
- Mineta didnīt get into the situation with intent
- he got lucky and then, having been given the chance, intentionally tries to use this chance
- itīs not misogynistic to think a little peeping is alright
Your level of extremism is, tbh, quite shocking. It really is full-on SJW semantic. You use the extreme of saying "Youīre not in-between just because you didnīt murder some people." No. Iīm not murdering anybody. THAT`S the point. In-between means you can hold beliefs that simply donīt adhere to any extreme ideas. But you cannot see that, for you it is murder or no murder. For me, there is a spectrum that would like something like "nothing - making a compliment - peeping - slap on the butt - intimidation - rape - murder". Thatīs what most people would see, Darth. You donīt. You see "normal - murder". Thatīs why youīre wrong. Thatīs why youīre a SW.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Here's the thing, even on the "spectrum" you provide, there is a very clear tipping point. For reference, everything from the bold on is a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
The moment you start committing CRIMES against women, you are no longer respecting them. If I'm an SJW extremist for thinking you shouldn't commit crimes against women, then I guess I'm an SJW extremist.
No, youīre a SJW because you only think in extremes, see your "nothing - murder" spectrum you introduced before.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
And I have never argued against peeping being a crime if found out. But the entire point of the discussion was to evaluate if peeping makes Mineta a terrible person, to which I replied heīs not, based on the circumstances. Iīd absolutely condemn the guys from Youkoso Jitsuryoku, however ...
Sorry, but I just can't understand that. The intent comes into play as soon as he realises or even suspects that hole might lead to the girls' changing room. There would be no intent if it went like in my previous example, that he simply found a hole and wondered what the heck it is, and then trying to peer through it shockingly found out he could see a girl's boobs. After that if he immediately retreated, he could still be considered innocent considering the nature of the incident (it's not like a person who accidentally knocked over a Ming vase). But if he continued to enjoy the view the intent would already be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Mineta noticed an opportunity to perform a crime and immediately went for it. Like a person entering a department store with no intention of stealing anything, but right away going for it when noticing an unguarded, desirable smartphone on a table.
Kraco, but now weīre back to where we were before. Here, do you see a difference in the level of intent between these two situations:
1.) Mineta enters the changing room, stumbles over the hole, realizes what it is, wants to look at girls
2.) Mineta heard a couple days earlier that theyīd use those changing rooms. Thus, he went there ahead of time, drilled the hole, and planned to look at some booty.
This really is what it comes down to. At least for me. Iīm saying that situation #1 is okay and doesnīt make Mineta an overly bad person.
This is what happens when they skip a week.
Never skip a week Hero Academia.
What it makes him is a person that doesn't respect women. Whether that makes him a bad person or not depends on your personal definition of bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
You think it doesn't, because you have the exact same disrespect for women and nobody likes to think of themselves as a bad person.
I think of myself as a bad person. I'm cruel, manipulative, cold, vengeful, spiteful, and overly zealous in my efforts to hurt those I don't like.
I'm going to infer that this makes #2 not okay for you then.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Please explain why spending more time and effort in preparing to peep at girls is less acceptable than spending less time and effort to prepare.
This whole thing is just hilarious to read while waiting for a new episode.
Anyway my view is that he had the intent to peep before he went into the changing room, why else would he search the wall? Or maybe you should say he wasn't intent on peeping but hoping for the lucky break of getting to peep when he entered. Unless you have a better reason for why he was searching the wall between them and the girls, it's not like we've ever seen him just search walls and rooms out of curiosity.
Also as for Darths nothing - murder, not sure if I got it but it seemed like Mfauli misunderstood, it's not that it's nothing or everything rather you either are a murder or you aren't. The spectrum is there just that it was an extreme example to show you either are or aren't something. So in terms of respecting women you either do or don't, you don't just respect them sometimes and at other times don't respect them. If you go back and forth between the two then you lean more towards not respecting them. As for why peeping is disrespecting shinta had a pretty good argument for that.
By the way according to German law can a person just strut into the girls changing room take a look at everyone and then exit and it's not a crime because they didn't take any pictures? I mean it's harmless... right? Besides the fact that it's not so secretive
Iīm sure youīd get in trouble for peeping in Germany, too, if caught. Accidentally walking into the wrong room, however, should be no problem.
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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
And thatīs what I wonīt accept and where I call you out as a SJW.
Iīm against harassment. I condemn real rape. Iīm for equality. Iīm chivalrous where it makes sense. And so on. THE ONLY thing where I have an opinion that you could interpret as "anti-women", is my stance on coincidential peeping. What youīre saying is that Iīm as bad as all those other people who harass, rape, discriminate, and so on. Thatīs a black and white view of the world and that I disagree with.
Because elaborate preparation shows an extreme intent thatīs almost incomparable to entering a changing room and happen to find a hole. Itīs apples and pears. An analogy would be killing someone because you chose to, and killing someone in self-defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
No, the analogy would be planning someone's murder for half a year and then executing the plan, or simply getting angry and clubbing the person dead in the heat of the moment with whatever suitable object happened to be closest at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Disagree, simply because I donīt see Mineta having committed a crime on the level of murder in any way whatsoever. Basically, he had no choice but to peep. ;>
I'm kinda curious though, so peeping and not getting caught is fine morally in your opinion. What's your stance on peeping and getting caught, morally? Or is it the same even when the victim knows about it.
The difference between getting caught and not is the follow-up events. Getting caught will have more or less serious consequences. Not getting caught will literally have no effect, not to you, not to the "victim".
And just for the record, I can remember that when I was a teen, I once accidentally entered the girlsī lockerroom, because the changing rooms were always confusingly distributed at our school. I turned around and walked away, the end. No police, lol.