while I wouldn't say they deserve it, he does at least not attack unarmed people... at least not on screen.
Not sure what he did to get so many skeletons etc.
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while I wouldn't say they deserve it, he does at least not attack unarmed people... at least not on screen.
Not sure what he did to get so many skeletons etc.
I originally thought they skipped this arc, and I was happy. I'd have rather seen the following arc animated. There might have been slight complications, but nothing unsolvable. It's not like skipping stuff during the first season would have slowed them down. Oh, well.
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Nazarack clearly has armies of monsters and summon spells at it's disposal.
Except they invaded his home and stole his shit.
Cockroach cannibalism. *shudders* By far the most horrifying thing in this episode.
Death by hamster was pretty funny.
The Deathknight summon required a body.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
And in S2 he wanted to raise higher lvl summons with better corpses - somewhat along those lines. (or was that something that was only suggested in this forum?)
He definitely said that. I had a huge beef about it last time when it suddenly turned into a teaching exercise for the blue lobster general. I think I included timestamps too from movies iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
As for bodies, I do remember the Empire folks saying that they haven't recovered the missing people? That'd mean winged-devil-fellow kidnapped quite a few - more than enough to supply skeletons.
All that said, I never thought of raw materials for skeletons as ever being a problem. Ains rushed Lizardmen with armies too and who knows where that came from.
Fully agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
Also pls give Ains a dick so he can enjoy some Albedo.
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Their life is that of looters/mercenaries. Regardless of their conduct, shit happens. Even more so in a job with dangers.
They are dying according to a plan. After all, Ains himself as Momon was watching them marching on to their doom. Whether they are adventurers, looters, or grave robbers is secondary. It would have been more interesting if one group of the adventurers had turned around the moment they saw the wealth and riches aboveground, declaring there's no way something like that can exist without it being a trap or belonging to some faction of terrible power, and immediately tried to leave without taking a single coin with them. Would they have been allowed to live? Ains isn't particularly interested in a moral high ground, but he would have been still standing there as Momon.
You're right, they were doomed the moment they were near Nazarick. Or some could say that greed killed them.
Which I'm sure he's done thousands of times as an MMO player, but nobody ever brutally murdered him for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
They certainly tried, but he prevailed.
Episode 8
War ! Or massacre...
We might get something epic after all.
Oh shit. They truly were wiped out.
Oh shit indeed, that was metal.... especially what happened to that group afterwards.
I was expecting some sort of 'happy' twist but I had forgotten that Ainz is no longer a 'good' guy.
Nice reaction of the girl when she saw his true power. Aqua would be proud. Barfing rainbows.
I can't help but feel pity for Arche's little sisters, who will probably be sold to slavery. Otherwise it was a foregone conclusion all of the adventurers would die. Ains himself, as Momon, slipped out that detail that when he was looking at the poor fools wandering in. It was heard by a random guy, but he managed to cover it sufficiently.
Episode was nice in itself, but how many more episodes of 'Ainz is waaaaay stronger than humans lol' do we need?
Also, was it ever explained when Aimz became a true evil guy? He's supposed to be a human who got trapped in a vrmmorpg's world - so he's human really, in mind anyway. It's kinda fucked up to kill and torture people so casually.
Again, they're thieves. He asked them about their motives, and they were only after money anyway. They were happy to lay down their lives for the right price, so he was okay with killing them all (or experimenting etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I don't get the whole "cover your ear" thing. All he did was perform an internal monologue.
Depressing...
Feel the same. "true" Ainz only shows up for internal jokes now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Pretty sure Japanese salarymen don't normally think brutal murder is an appropriate punishment for thievery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Earlier as Momon he asked them all why they would do it. They all said it was for money. If a few said they were being forced to and they don't want to loot/disrespect a tomb then I think he would have let them live. Lke those elves/half elf slaves. They weren't shown to be killed so I think they were instead recruited. I mean he even gave them a chance to line their pockets with golds when they found a few tombs stuffed with it. That would have been in the end of it. But they got greedy which led to their deaths.
The only thing he cares for is Nazarick and it's inhabitants. The rest can die for all he cares. Sure he does not want to kill innocents and he himself does not. But the moment you touch Nazarick you are no longer innocent.
It was explained in the very first episode of Overlord that Ainz doesn't feel like a human anymore.
No remorse or any psychological harm when he crushes hearts or zaps people to a crispy piece meat.
He doesn't want innocents to needlessly suffer. However, plenty of innocents have been killed by those working for him, for the good of Nazarick, which makes it his responsibility, but he's not particularly concerned about it. I guess he's lawful evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
He also stated in the first season that he is somewhat of a hypocrite.
He knows that innocents were dying by Nazarick and the only thing that he can do is painless death. But he, himself, does not kill innocent people. So yeah, hypocrite indeed.
That's BS. He makes sympathetic emotional decisions all the time. Then afterwards scrambles to make up a logical excuse so his minions won't think he's soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Just because he isn't mindlessly killing everyone doesn't mean he's still thinking like a human.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
By now, he has killed a few hundred monsters and humans already - most of them merely for tests and he ordered it personally.
And it has absolutely no impact on him... or do you see it robbing him of sleep... or does he even think twice about doing it after warning them once?
Whenever he stops acting like the supreme ruler of Nazarick, the game "green aura"-thing kicks in to get him back on track... he's actually not even able to be his human self anymore.
One of the reasons why he does acts of sympathy is due to Touch Me's influence on him - or rather the guild itself.. so the game-thing-stuff-green-aura doesn't kick in.
edit: what I'm saying is... Ainz has absolutely no problem with killing people as soon as they are more valuable dead than alive, he has no problem in making them suffer either if they anger him. I can hardly call that human..
What I'm saying is ... Ainz felt really off this last episode and imo has turned into a fulljon evil villain now. So much that I'm now rooting for someone to show up who can beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
A: How should we get famous (so I can find my friends)?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
D: Bait some greedy thieves into our den, then kill them all to show how strong we are.
A: Hmm, I don't usually like killing people, but whatever.
A: Why are you guys doing this?
T: For money.
A: So you have been offered enough money to put your life on the line?
T: Yep.
A: I see, so it's your choice.
It's not Ainz's problem that these guys got their risk assessment wrong. In fact, what risk assessment? These guys had no clue and just went in.
This is hardly "full on evil".
New Ep is out.
Basically more Ainz swinging his dick around. From the way it's all progressing I hope S4 will be coming. Only 3 more episodes to go.
That emperor has nice qualities, but lacks heaps of powers to even start something meaningful against Ains.
That ep would've been nice if it had a hint of such a power somewhere.
The only hint of hope is that the Emperor was somehow not as affected as the others by Demiurgos.
So I guess some of his equipment is of a sufficient level for that.
We have yet to see if there's something Ains level of power, even if we know there's something around Shalltear level.
Ains hearing about his own, supposed, plans from his underlings never gets old.
Lame development. Why would anyone want to fight against Nazarick after going through all that? It makes no sense to me at all.
He pretty much explained it already. He views Ains as a stereotypical fantasy RPG "demon lord" and fully expects that he'll do the cliche demon lord things of swallowing the world in darkness and destroying all life for funsies eventually.
I was honestly expecting his title would be Overlord...
That doesn't make sense. He already knew Ainz was unbeatable, yet Ainz still suggested an alliance with him. It's more logical for him to think of ways to make peace or be subservient but safe to the demon lord than trying to fight. Fighting is utterly moronic considering the power difference, and trying to make Ainz's servants betray him is even more foolish. He had no basis to think they'd be inclined to do anything like that...
I call bad (forced) writing.
If Ainz or Demi wanted them to gang up and fight, they shouldn't have shown too much of their power. That'd incite the humans to rebel because they'd believe they have a fighting chance.
*shrug* Ainz is a monster and people be racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Humans are racist only when they have power. Otherwise, they are slaves, which should be the case here.
That was up to Ainz, and he didn't enslave them. He made them his allies and let them go, which gives them the perception that they still have power, which leaves them free to be racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Soviet Union offered various treaties and agreements to a number of countries before WW2. Those that accepted soon found themselves with puppet governments in place and their towns full of Soviet troops. Some countries, including my own home country, refused the offers from the "unbeatable superpower", and the whole world assumed Finland would be finished in a few weeks. People don't always bow before unbeatable things even in history, so it's hard for me to call that "bad writing" as it would be calling history bad writing as well, which is an oxymoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
He probably does think that if all humanity forms an alliance against Nazarick, something could happen. It's kind of hard to imagine an opponent so powerful even that would be meaningless. It's not like he'd have really witnessed Nazarick's true might so far. He doesn't even have Arche's magic eyes. All he knows is that Nazarick didn't simply destroy the empire but instead offered an alliance. If he considers the Nazarick folks utterly evil, it makes sense they could fight amongst themselves. A villain's worst enemy is often not a hero but another villain. It happens even in better places.
It's bad writing because the emperor was made out to be smart. If he was an idiotic ruler, like a lot of rulers in history, it would be totally believable. However, he felt the power difference personally, and he's supposed to be this amazing revolutionary king who changed his empire in one generation to become more prosperous.
Everyone kept saying defeating Ainz is beyond human hands, and his conclusion is to band together with more humans, ffs. That's an idiot's decision, and he isn't supposed to be one. Bad writing.
And about him not witnessing Nazarick's true might? Remember his 4 best warriors only barely able to hold back 1 death knight? And Ainz produced one on a whim? And they are treated like maids? And the dragon? And that random kid that sank an entire platoon of soldiers into the ground? I'd think that's more than enough to realize humanity is doomed if they go against Nazarick. Quality vs. Quantity.
About him expecting a betrayal, he recognized that Ainz is very intelligent, with each move having meaning. Yet he expects such a leader to be betrayed by his minions? Like, how will he even incite them to rebel..? What will he use as incentive when Ainz has everything he has to offer and more, something he admitted himself early in the episode? It's a preposterous idea.
All that badly written asshat knows is that Nazarick offered them an alliance, and now he wants to use that alliance to somehow defeat Nazarick. That makes no sense because that plan assumes Nazarick will actually treat them like allies and they will be in a position to benefit from that in order to help the other humans. In that case, why not just become true allies? Instead of trying to rebel with limited info, a true wise king would try to understand WHY Ainz offered an alliance, instead of trying to use it against him.
I'm not sure what was unclear about the Emperor's intentions.
He fears that mankind will be wiped out since Ains is an undead that has absolutely no use for the living and even threatened to *literally* wipe out the whole world.
What else but unite against such foe. An alliance will only delay it.
On top of that, sweetmouthing Shaltear/Albedo/etc. into thinking that they should rule Nazarick doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, considering how it might lead to an internal struggle within that new kingdom and the fact that 2 of them already acted out of line in less than a few minutes after meating them.
Not to mention that demons tend to be extremely powerhungry in fantasy worlds and this is probably true for that world too. Tough luck though, Ains' minions are obviously extremely loyal.
On the other hand however, they even threatened to fight each other a few times already..
It doesn't assume anything. He's not in any position to assume anything. All he knows is that the monster didn't try to annihilate his country immediately but instead offered an alliance. It would be perfectly reasonable to believe it's because Nazarick wants the infrastructure intact and the populaton unspoiled, for whatever reasons. He would be super optimistic to believe an evil entity (like he believes) would offer a mutually beneficial treaty just for the heck of it. He himself pruned his own country, throwing aside numerous nobles, and most likely had blood flow like rivers while doing it. He wouldn't expect any less ambition and decisiveness from a ruler of monsters. It's just he has absolutely no choice for the time being. It's already a victory he doesn't need to face monster armies immediately and alone. However, if he simply abandoned all hope, he wouldn't be fit to be an emperor. In fact he wouldn't be an emperor most likely with such a personality. In the end, Nazarick appeared out of nowhere, so hope could likewise appear where he least expects it.
Let's not forget that in the history of that world there were already supreme beings who ruled as they wanted, bringing calamity to the world. That's why they know there are higher tiers of magic despite nobody being able to use them. The same goes for some magical artifacts (like the one used against Shalltear). Now those beings are long gone. The emperor might as well think Nazarick will face the same fate in time, leaving behind only a legacy and legends.
Man, I'm really rooting AGAINST Ainz. Wonder if there'll ever appear a proper opponent. Someone who can at least defeat one of his captains. Demiurge would be a great loss to him.
Ideally, it'd be a human opponent. It's frustrating just how weak humans have been portrayed. Wish they got a chance at revenge.
Ainz creating a Death Knight out of some (presumably physically weak) noble didn't sit well with me, because they were earlier wondering about whether lizardmen corpses would create stronger skeletons. If a human can become a Death Knight, why bother? Keep it consistent man!
Wasn't that just for show? If Ainz can truly create death knights from a head, he wouldn't be making skeletons. Or maybe death knights require far more mana but he pretended it was like nothing to freak the humans out.
About the Emperor's decision, what he really should be doing is investigating what Nazarick wants instead of instantly plotting against them. That's literally the last thing you should do to an omnipotent ally, even more so because of how delicate that status is. His fear of Ainz wiping out humans is not consistent with the honorable treatment he and his people received at the tomb. Resolving that inconsistency through communication and investigation is the first thing to do, not randomly suicide your entire race against a god.
He's not particularly plotting anything. Like he said, they can't start to collect members for the alliance in the first place, someone else would need to do it. That's quite a stretched goal, more like wishful thinking. In the mean time he has little choice but to wait for the terms of the alliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Since they were invited, there had to be a diplomatic dimension in what Ains was doing. Otherwise they wouldn't have been invited. No need to invite them to be killed since he could have killed the emperor back on the empire's soil as well. It doesn't really change that much, it only creates the possibility that Ains is not aiming to slay all humans. However, after this it's logical for the emperor to expect Ains to try to conquer lands without killing the population. If he's not mentally prepared for that, he's not fit to be an emperor.
I want to see them try to sweet talk Shalltear into betraying Ainz. She's probably play along, right up until the moment she ate them...Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
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It was nice of them to spend an entire episode letting us get to better know a bunch of characters that are going to be brutally murdered next week.
I wonder if that Death Knight model is the only 3D model the studio has and that's why Ainz's entire army is just one bland unit type.
Technically they aren't going to be murdered, just killed in action, since it's war.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Considering it's a spell able to create a whole death knight with weapons and armor from a relatively small piece of a human body, it kind of makes sense they all look the same. It's like a summon that just needs a catalyst by the looks of it. A good thing for the anime studio's budget, no doubt.
When you have an overly superior unit that can brute force its way through, you might as well use it. Specialised troups will need specific instructions. Now you only need to say attack or retreat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEX
seems to be in line with the empire's and kingdom's unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Personally, I prefer his magic-item equipped skeletons pver the deathknights though, they look badass.
Yeah, but that doesn't make it any less boring to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I normally love me a good Death Knight, but these are particularly bland. They don't even have textures.
This whole season is particularly bland and dull. I liked the past two seasons, even considering the dragged-out lizard arc.
There are plenty of slice of life series that have more going on than this season.
Where is that avatar from?
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Hah. So Enri puts in the time to grind up her Goblin faction rep and is rewarded with a loot upgrade. :p
That goblin army is cool but...that village is going to have to build a lot more buildings.
Ep 12
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This episode sucked. It's just no fun watching all these good people die. I enjoy a villain at times, too, but this is too one-sided.
Bad 3rd season.
it's a shame that the animators can't be arsed with anything.
no siege weapons, no arrows, no weapons that could hit more than just 1 soldier.
It's hard to believe that this is a "world of man" when their are 100 feet high monsters and several extremely large low level summons running around and mankind doesn't even have weapons to deal with anything but mansized stuff.
The Slaine Theocracy had those Angel summons, but no machinery has been seen as far as we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
This episode actually felt pretty dark.
I hope they'll use that duel wisely
Not only can Stronoff (or whatever his name was) switch sides honourably like this, but Ainz will also gain political power with the hero of the people on his side.
Just attach certain conditions to that duel and you are golden. I'm pretty sure that's what Stronoff was trying to do also.
Ainz will already have a lot of power since Momon and Nabe will be on his side. Just use Pandora's Actor to take his form.
It'd be nice if Stronoff didn't die but I think he is just buying time for the King to escape.
I don't think he can buy any time. The duel won't delay Ainz's command.
So for him to not tell his minions to kill the king, he needs to offer something in return.
Wait wait. What are you guys talking about? Who needs political power? Ainz can just keep using random magic and conquer anything. All the plans so far and in the future are pointless because he wields absolute power.
He said he doesn't want to rule that way because it's bothersome.
That's like the exact opposite of what he is doing. His current method is the epitome of bothersome when he can just pawn everyone and then show how much better they will live under his rule, with all the affairs managed by his extremely capable floor guardians.
The end.
Not really.
He doesn't need to kill 50% of the worlds population that way.
Not really bothersome either. What he has to do NOW is bothersome (fighting himself to show power)
No, no, no.
He doesn't have to fight himself, nor kill 50% of the population. Just have his minions kill the leaders and replace them. They have absolute power, after all. The end.
And how would they replace everyone and with whom? Why would the population all over the world follow?
What exactly do you believe will the families of the 200.000 soldiers that died in that episode think?
Because he has absolute power. They have to follow him. That's how it worked back then. Even royalty and nobles ruled like that, but he doesn't even need to do politics because he is practically god in that world. Even just Shalltear is enough to instill fear in an entire army, much more in normal peasants.
Just replace the King with one of his maids and have them rule as proxy of Demiurg-whatever. People don't wanna follow? Kill them. People rebel? Kill them. They will stop soon enough, far sooner than the strange 50% population decrease number you came up.
The problem is given Ainz and his minion's abilities and powers, there are a million simpler ways to achieve their goals, but those simpler ways are boring, which kinda defeats the purpose of entertainment. I get that, really. That doesn't change the fact that all these things are taking the long way around, done for its own sake.
It's not that simple.
You could argue that he has the power to crush anyone, but that doesn't make everyone obidient.
It's bothersome to deal with displeased vassals, it's easier to control them by bringing them to your side.
sounds extremely bothersome (especially since his followers are not able to judge humans properly), not to mention the annoying powerstruggle that comes along with it when you kill every powerful position in the kingdom and can't fill it up.Quote:
ust replace the King with one of his maids and have them rule as proxy of Demiurg-whatever. People don't wanna follow? Kill them. People rebel? Kill them. They will stop soon enough, far sooner than the strange 50% population decrease number you came up.
Not even remotely as simple as you believe.
It's so naive..
Dangerous too considering that other players might be active.
I have no idea why you think Nazerik has enough capabilities to govern millions of humans in the first place.
Your definition of bothersome is strange. For these monsters, it's far easier to just squish someone than to go through lengthy discussions, show off your wealth, trying to win them over, or use weird tactics etc.
The reason those things are done in history is because no one ever possessed absolute power. Ainz does. That's the difference I'm trying to point out.
And who the heck said to kill every powerful person in the kingdom? Just kill the King and replace. Then if someone rebels, kill them and make them examples. The others will then follow you.
And how the heck is this bothersome to Ainz if he can just let Demiurg-whatever do all the work? I don't even understand why he wants to keep doing whatever the heck he is doing. He has a ton of extremely capable, extremely underused minions...
In any case, I'm done explaining this over and over. Some people just like to complicate things, I guess.
Dude. 1 guy can't controll everything at the same time. It's simply overwhelming.
If you kill nobles, some dudes have to replace these nobles, there are assets that's have to be distributed, you have to keep the populace somewhat happy so they don't become unproductive.
What does he even gain from conquering the world if he can't use the population properly? Why not seclude himself back into his Tomb?
The world isn't some 5x5km˛ field. He still doesn't know how many GM-Artifacts are around, or even players, he lost 1 of his lvl 100 companions already and had to revive her and he can't revive her again and again because it cost Yggdrasil money, but the money in this world isn't yggdrasil money as far as we can tell from the first 2 episodes.
He'll probably be able to control the Kingdom soon and won't have to deal with sheming unloyal nobles.
If you put just any noble onto the throne that doesn't have any legitimacy, you'll have another one who want's to be Ainz favorite and they scheme against each other.
So he'll make it look like the noble sucks and needs to be replaced -> Ainz will have to look into it and adjust the situation.
Then have some new people rise from the ranks and replace the nobles at their work. Pretty sure there are tons of them nipping at their heels, and those guys will not rebel because they already know how that'll end up.
I don't understand why you seem to think a ton of people are going to die with the simple plan I proposed. People won't suicide if they know it's futile. Ainz isn't gonna wipe out the entire government. He will just replace the top, just like how they do it in real world regimes. Only with Ainz's power and wealth, it will never be a corrupt government (evil, but not corrupt).
And what the heck is 5x5km˛? Did you mean 5x5km, which is incidentally 5km˛? Or did you just want me to do some math, and you actually meant 25km˛?
For real. They've already made it clear he gives no shits about human lives anymore. He needs absolutely nothing from these people and they can't do anything to him. What purpose does political power serve?Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Preach!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Didn't he just announce himself to the world in this episode? He's not trying to keep his identity a secret anymore. In fact, that was the entire point of this war, to show off.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
I don't understand. Even if he did not do as I said (kill top and replace - the quick way), he will still have to deal with admin stuff like this once he starts ruling them. Of course, he will delegate this to Demiguy, because why not.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
It's his goal to spread the name, yes... but that doesn't mean he goes everywhere to simply conquer. The battle was right next to his homeQuote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
It's also not his goal to be a dictator and sully the name of Ainz Ool Gown, which is another reason why he can't rule through sheer force alone.
A king that is sitting on the throne legitmately won't have as many enemies as a random noble he decided to put on that throne. He will also be able to reign by himself and have enough support to handle stuff aloneQuote:
I don't understand. Even if he did not do as I said (kill top and replace - the quick way), he will still have to deal with admin stuff like this once he starts ruling them. Of course, he will delegate this to Demiguy, because why not.
It's as simple as that.
Demiguy is already occupied with the Empire btw.
It's pretty simple, you prepare the conquest, and then usurp either directly or indirectly.
Wait, what legitimate king? Isn't Ainz gonna kill the king and replace him with someone after all this? If it's the empire that takes control of the kingdom, that's still usurpation. I don't understand what you mean by legitimate.
I didn't mean he should just go everywhere and conquer randomly. What I said was his methods are too convoluted and meandering when he can easily crush everyone. He should still take logical steps that makes things more simple and easy.
And what is this about being a dictator and sullying the name of Ainz Owl Gown? He just massacred hundreds of thousands of people when he could have just as easily not done so. What the heck is left to sully? In fact, isn't he just doing this war because of Demi's misunderstanding? He just wants to look cool in front of his minions (who will support him even if he isn't cool, they were programmed like that), so he slaughtered hordes of humans. That's like the dumbest reason to be evil...
EDIT:
Btw, I just realized that wars were led by nobles in their world, right? Wouldn't they have been wiped out in that massacre too? There goes preserving the government lol.
If he kills the king the Prince will inherit.
The nobles have sons and a succession line too.Quote:
Btw, I just realized that wars were led by nobles in their world, right? Wouldn't they have been wiped out in that massacre too? There goes preserving the government lol.
Most of the current nobles are obviously also corrupt.
The goverment is still intact, it's probably weaker now and alot easier to manipulate.
It's a completely different thing if you kill them on the battlefield or if you kill them while they are sitting on their throne.
He declared independence and was attacked by the kingdom. He defended his territory.Quote:
And what is this about being a dictator and sullying the name of Ainz Owl Gown? He just massacred hundreds of thousands of people when he could have just as easily not done so. What the heck is left to sully?
He doesn't rule with an iron fist where no one is allowed to speak against him.
In one version he is a powerful leader, in the other (yours) he is Hitler
How are they different? The only difference I see is hundreds of thousands of soldiers not dying, and Ainz not having to act badass.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
I got this from the wiki:Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
"King Ramposa III called together the royalty and nobility for a meeting. He announced that the Kingdom had once again received a declaration of war from the Empire for their annual war at the Katze Plains. However, this time the Empire had formed an alliance with the newly founded Sorcerer Kingdom, led by Sorcerer King Ainz Ooal Gown, and demanded the Kingdom cede over the city of E-Rantel. Knowing that they don't stand a chance against Ainz, Gazef advised the king to give into the demands. However, the king explained that he couldn't do that. Despite this, the Nobility Faction, now even more desperate to undermine the Royalty Faction following their increased influence, supported Gazef's suggestion. In the end, it was unanimously decided to go to war after Marquis Raeven pointed out that the Empire was unlikely to stop at E-Rantel."
Nice defense.
What? How do you portrait , as you say, "absolute power" without killing hundreds of thousands of soldiers?Quote:
How are they different? The only difference I see is hundreds of thousands of soldiers not dying, and Ainz not having to act badass.
That aside - the difference is:
One is rightful and just, the other is not - for the people in that area/time.
If a prince murdered a king, he wouldn't succeed the throne without any issues.
If the king died on the battlefield against some external threat however, no one would question the succession.
He doesn't want to be seen as a tyrant by the common folk..it doesn't do him any good, it's certainly not beneficial.
as for the wiki quote...
? I don't know what you are trying to point out?
That's what declaring independence is..
Episode 10:
The official message is that the Empire recognizes the land near E-Rantel as territory owned by Ains Ool Gown and the Kingdom should return that land to it's original owner and will ally themselves with the Sorcerer King Gown to liberate him from unrighteous rule. (they are basically pushing his claim)
declaring independence is a declaration of war against the party that is currently ruling over the would be independent country.
By killing, say, a few hundred of them using the twins like they did with the Empire? Pretty sure the emperor realized Ainz's power with that stunt. In fact, why didn't they just do that with the kingdom too? Actually, what's the point of spreading his name if he can just fly to the next country again and drop a dragon on them too?Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Suddenly declaring independence which results in a war is not a passive or defensive action. They were the ones demanding stuff from the Kingdom, not the other way around.
Massacring hundreds of thousands of people is not just in their world either. That said, it doesn't matter if it's just or not, because Ainz has ABSOLUTE POWER.
Whatever, I quit.
A king has absolute power over a peasant too. Doesn't stop anything.Quote:
That said, it doesn't matter if it's just or not, because Ainz has ABSOLUTE POWER.
It is just.Quote:
Massacring hundreds of thousands of people is not just in their world either.
They are at war. Properly declared, properly accepted.
Ainz is acting for the benefit of Nazarik, being a tyrant doesn't benefit him at all.Quote:
Suddenly declaring independence which results in a war is not a passive or defensive action. They were the ones demanding stuff from the Kingdom, not the other way around.
The declaration was backed by the Empire. That's the backup he needs to not make him look like a random upstart.
Ya, he realized it so well, that he was trying to scheme against Ainz in an instant.Quote:
By killing, say, a few hundred of them using the twins like they did with the Empire? Pretty sure the emperor realized Ainz's power with that stunt. In fact, why didn't they just do that with the kingdom too?
And what will *that* do?Quote:
Actually, what's the point of spreading his name if he can just fly to the next country again and drop a dragon on them too?
Yeah, I just can't anymore. It is a chore to even watch these week to week. This season is boring, the animation is garbage, and the plot this entire season is, "Nazarick is evil."
Okay...we got that from last season. What has this been other than a waste of time?
Dropped. The season in general has been quite bad. I will only barely finish four shows (and I'm not including Overlord).
Just one more episode btw.
I doubt we'll see a Season 4 before 2020 or something (if at all), so Anime is pretty dead anyway.
Overall not enough Albedo. I too believe the animation is so bad, that its pretty much unenjoyable.
There is no point in massive battles and giant monsters when you can't make them look good.
Lol @ this debate. Guys, what's it matter? It's been established that Ainz is a generric evil villain, no part of him is human anymore. How he might rule the kingdoms? Whatever, he'll kill anyone anyway of he so wills it. Ainz is currently playing in god-cheat mode. That's boring.
Honestly, no season 4 needed. The only way I'd continue watching is if another player is introduced, one who fights for good/human. Or lots of Albedo sex(y) scenes. That'd be okay, too.
Ainz hasn't fought the strongest folks in the Slaine Theocracy yet, who look to be the only guys capable of standing up to him in this human world ("standing up" is relative). They were the ones who managed to control Shaltear.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
They controlled Shalltear because of an item right? You don't have to be strong yourself to use items.
[QUOTE=MFauli]Lol @ this debate. Guys, what's it matter? It's been established that Ainz is a generric evil villain, no part of him is human anymore. How he might rule the kingdoms? Whatever, he'll kill anyone anyway of he so wills it. Ainz is currently playing in god-cheat mode. That's boring.[/QUOTE]
This was exactly what I was saying, except he isn't playing very well.
The Dragon did also manage to combat Shalltear quite well, though it was only hinted in a flashback.
Effective strength as in items + user.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinta
But that item was consumable, so their effective strength dropped a significant amount after that. If they had more of those, they'd be using it by now.
I wasn't aware of it being an item. I just know that 2 from Slain Theocracy died, while Dragon was wounded during that encounter.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
EDIT: That above line was based on Overlord II Episode 01. Looking back at Movie2, which summed up the latter part of Season 1 however, it suggested that a dragon-lady with unsagging boobs shot a dragon spell at Shaltear instead. I don't know which is accurate.
Ains mentions that using a One of Twenty world item will destroy it, but didn't say that the one controlling Shaltear is one of the twenty single use ones.
Well, it's over.
Is a s4 coming?
Wow, that was pointless.
So much meaningless fluff.
Please no more S4. Use that money for something else.
judging by the animation quality, I doubt they used money at all :D
I quite like Overlord, but they're doing such a shit job at making it interesting.
The whole PVP talk during the dual felt nerdy in a very bad way.
I don't understand what Ainz wanted to achieve with that duel. If he wanted to respect the dood, he would've at least let him fight a little instead of insta-killing him like that. If he didn't care, he should've just ignored the duel and killed them all.
You can argue Ainz used his full power out of respect, but that doesn't hold water because of the vast power difference. You don't "respect" a dumb puppy trying to pick a fight with you and then stomp its head into the ground to kill it. In fact, Ainz never needed to kill him. He could've just used some paralysis or sleep spell and be done with it.
Also, the conclusion those 2 muscleheads arrived at was insane. They thought warrior dood wanted to duel Ainz to show them Ainz's power so that they can find countermeasures? Really? Aren't the rampaging black monsters enough to explain that they don't and never will stand a chance? Isn't it better to find a way to survive under the demon god's rule, especially because said god appears merciful and reasonable throughout that farce of a fight?
Think, McFly, think.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
That was the only good part.
yes, Ainz' overall abilities are overwhelming, which is why any official grand heads-on encounter is futile.
Therefore, directly fighting Ainz is the only logical conclusion. Will that be easy? No, but infinitely easier than trying to kill those hell monsters, the death knight army and his personal servants.
Thanks to Gaseff, they now know that sword CAN kill Ainz, if only they can awaken its true powers. They also know about his time stop ability that apparently can be easily neutralized. Having both these enlightenments suddenly makes the outcom of a repeat duel much more open. Ofc, Ainz is still superior overall, but ... it's a start. Before, he was godly invincible. Now there's a crack.
What crack, lol.
Only Ainz knows about the power of that sword, and he just said it can "hurt" him, which means theoretically it can "kill" him. That's like saying a spoon can kill me, if I like sit there and let it dig into my eye or something. Not gonna happen.
Time stop can be easily countered from Ainz's perspective. Pretty sure the humans don't even know what time stop is, much less how to counter it. The two who saw it didn't even know what happened, so yeah, useless duel.
Just stop being idiots and get on Ainz's good side. I mean, why the fuck not? They serve a king for a stupider reason than bowing to absolute power (i.e. tradition).
The warrior dood should've just asked Ainz to stop pursuing the human army in exchange for his service. Then Momon wouldn't even need to do the fake turncoat thing because warrior dood can do it in his stead.
They can deduct that it was a time stop ability and, while not easy, their elite wizards can probably create a protection spell.
Live under Ainz' rule would suck, because of how much of a heartless prick he's become. Also, personally speaking, I'd probably get myself killed in the process of wooing Albedo ...
Ainz is heartless against enemies, not his people. If they officially become his people, he'll be as nice as any ruler in their world, which isn't really nice but still not genocidal. Also, the alternative is a brutal death, so... easy choice.
How the heck can they deduce it was a time stop ability? The more probable deduction is "Ainz was too fast" or "Ainz used a mind trick spell" versus him actually stopping time, which is kind of ridiculous btw.
It was a form of respect to use real power against someone called the strongest warrior of the kingdom. If he had allowed Gazef to "fight a little", it would have been toying with him. Other than that, this way he could end it cleanly, without Gazef's body and equipment suffering any damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
It was better than admitting Gazef died for nothing and despairing.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
He was the kind of man who wouldn't serve under another until relieved by his first lord. In the first place, if he had betrayed the king and the kingdom, how could have Ainz really trusted him? He would have been a known traitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari