After an introduction like that those four Shadow Beasts can't help but die quickly. Just like the mafia families, they have been riding on their infamy alone for too long.
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After an introduction like that those four Shadow Beasts can't help but die quickly. Just like the mafia families, they have been riding on their infamy alone for too long.
Meh... 2 more weeks before Kurapika goes full bamf mode.
Episode 44 is out!
Kurapika is so boss~
Next ep can't get here fast enough!!
Kurapica's anger is so delicious, backed up by actual power. It was just so fucking awesome to see that smug look wash off of Uvo's face.
It'd be more impressive if the guy wasn't fucking paralyzed. This doesn't make Kurapica look particularly badass. Just opportunistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles
After the idiot shadow beasts, it does make Kurapika look very intelligent, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnder
I'm guessing the Shadow Beasts' infamy for slowly killing their victim(s) in the worst way possible was what kept the checks and balances in the Mafia world (dying underground? paralysing poison? leeches hatching in urinary tract?). But yes, it was very stupid to go in against elite thieves with regular arsenal against humans rather than instant killings.
If you guys were waiting for your usual shoot, sorry to inform you that the next ep will air next week. Or so it seems.
I'd like to be proven wrong though...
So that's why...
F**k.
New episode out!
The mafia guys are all losers through and through. No wonder Killua's family is making money big enough to afford a whole mountain, as the only capable people the mafia has are hired outsiders (Kurapika included).
Of course, I know the story, watched the old anime and such, but still ... I wonder if there is a proper explanation as to why the Genryodan-members are THAT incredibly strong. Is it typical Naruto-esque bullshit a la "well duh...", or is there a real reason? Afaik, they didnīt engage in a nen vow like Kurapika, which *could* explain their strength.
And yes, the whole mafia party is one big disappointment.
remember Gon is maybe one in a million?
If we're on a fictionnal planet with as much people as ours, that makes like 5 000 extremely gifted people.
And Gon already is a monster for his young age. Imagine him with another 10 years, since all of the others seem to be in their mid 20s. Some even older.
To be fair one in a million people would more likely associate with a quasi organization like the Phantom Troupe than be hirelings of lousy mafiosos. They could make money any way they wanted, so why not do something potentially challenging and interesting and definitely unique? With lesser people options are more limited and competition more fierce, so belonging to a group of mafia's elite dogs might be more tempting, especially since it gives a notorious reputation for free. Naturally most super talents would be out there doing whatever they want alone or with temporary colleagues, if they aren't bosses of whatever organizations themselves.
Yeah, there are a number of people out there that are quite strong. Not to mention, even seeing how strong the members of the phantom troupe are, we still don't really know what the achievable power limits are. So all in all, they might not be that strong. But as of right now, they're beasts. In addition to that, the selection process seems like no joke. The most probable way into the troupe is to take out a current member, so being in that group, you'd better be cock-sure of yourself.
Pretty much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles
The way the organization is set up assures that they have the best staff to run. The money rewards and the sport of bloodshed itself is insurmountable and would appeal to anyone insanely strong to join.
Episode 46 out, go get some!
I found it funny yet very fitting they had to pay a large sum in order to... In order to qualify to cash in if they catch a target? So, no matter what happens, somebody is making good money. I wonder what would have happened if they didn't pay that five million, but still later brought in one of the target. It's not like the mafia could have simply claimed the target because anybody catching one would need to be stronger than the target, whom the mafia already failed to defeat, yet catching them would be of priceless importance in many ways.
So, I'd say it was stupid to pay. But then again, it was Leorio in charge, so I suppose stupid things couldn't be avoided.
The next ep should be jolly good in any case.
I'm a little surprised Leorio or Killua not reacting to the 5 million subscription when getting a single target only gets you 2 million.
Even without knowing the dangerosity of the targets, you know it's a pyramidal scheme to rob money from a group of people.
Who would be strong enough to get 3 of those targets to start gaining 1 million over their subscripion? Also meaning you'd probably need to fight against other bounty hunters?
Everyone is a little too dumb here. I can understand Killua is very confident in himself and only wants to have fun, I'm a little surprised Leorio is back to the dumbass he was during the hunter exam. There isn't anyone else reacting too.
Very strange.
If i read correctly, getting a single target gets you 2 billion, which is why they made such a fuss about it :P
Indeed, 2 bilion.
The 5 mil is retarded though, i'm sure they'd still get the money if they simply captured them outright.
At what point during the series had he ceased to be a dumbass in the first place? You can't go back to something you never left.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
I called only paying it retarded, because considering we are talking about professional criminals here, for all we know the big mafiosos only ordered their underlings to spread the wanted posters of the bounties, yet those underlings came up with a nice way of making some dough on the side by collecting those five millions from hopeless dumbasses. It's good business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
I thought it was pretty funny how Leorio got tricked by that when he ironically haggled for a couple of cell phones while he puts down $5 million without raising an eyebrow. It was the only non-tense scene in the episode.
My bad, the bounty is a tad better when read correctly...
Is it just me or is everything involving Uvogin (and perhaps all Spinders) that much better in the original anime? He was basically Luffy, except he kills without remorse.
Things that was better that springs to mind:
Uvo's voice actor
Uvo's whole attitude and demeanor
Uvo going down to face the mafia
Uvo fighting the Shadow Beasts
Nobunaga & Co talking about Uvo's Big Bang Impact
Uvo getting interrogated
Uvo and Shalnak researching the Nostrado family
Uvo finding Kurapica in the hotelroom
Example Uvo and Shalnak in this episode. In the original there was much more warmth and comradely feeling between them with the whole playful kiss on the mouth and their entire conversation. And the fight with the Shadow Beast was so drawn out. His Big Bang Impact too forever to load and then he just levitated in the air instead of the few second charge up and mega explosion that only lasted a few seconds. How he took forever to fill his lungs to shout and blow that skull fragment. And make the sound of a vacuum? Seriously? Feels like they try to take away all the loving qualities and portray him as a big brute and nothing more. Maybe they don't want kids watching to actually like a bad guy like Uvo that snaps necks and shit.
I just fear that this fight between Uvo and Kurapica next episode will be drawn out and fucked up like the Shadow Beast one. I really hope not. Anyways am i the only one that feels this way?
I don't remember the first anime in such high detail, but in all honesty what use is it to make a new show if it's a carbon copy of the old one? You are better off by making another take instead. I don't particularly see why Uvo should necessarily be any different from this, nor the other members. In the end they are all murderous, vile criminals who can't afford to trust anybody.
As for the "why pay 5 million for a fee" problem:
Itīs rather simple. The mafia wants the spiders dead. No matter if you subscribe or not, the mafia will benefit from dead spider members. Now, they tell you "only who subscribes will be granted the reward". What it comes down to is that i wasnīt stupid on Leorioīs side to pay the fee. Rather, itīs dumb of the mafia not to simply make it a public announcement so that thousands and millions of idiots would go after the spiders. THAT is what should be questioned here.
The mafia won't benefit as much from a spider member dead but not in their possession. In that case they couldn't even be sure the target is truly dead, and thus couldn't spread the message this is what happens if you screw with us or they can't torture a living captive they don't have for information. Plus the big bosses won't believe until they get the corpse, which they wouldn't get before paying. Like I said earlier, they can't simply claim the body (or even a living target) from somebody who is stronger than the target they couldn't take down in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
All this led me to believe the whole five million wasn't there originally but somebody just decided to make some cash in the middle.
Thought about this a little:
Getting 5 million from each subscriber is a beneficial source of money. They can spend that in anything regarding the targets and/or other goals.
They also get a shortlist of people having at least those 5 millions (or more) AND who think they are strong enough for the job. So they know that in that shortlist they get fighters that did earn quite a sum with their abilities, which is valuable information too.
Obviously, you'd still get lousy people in that shortlist, but not that much since this is quite a sum to begin with.
With that money, they can even start getting intel on the subscribers.
Now that doesn't mean successful fighters, having those 5 millions are strong enough to do the job, but even then they can be useful if hired in the organisation (some of them at least)
A good point, but putting your name down on that list just became even more dubious, with that in mind. Unless you were dead set on seeking a lifetime of servitude on mafia's payroll, you certainly shouldn't pay them millions and have your name recorded.
You know how google makes billions with your data, mafia just is even more clever :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Random thought: Do we have any figures about this animeīs success? I just wondered how likely it is that weīll get to see all that stuff that comes after the end of the original anime-version in animated form. And I figured that the more successful, the more likely it is they keep producing.
I've fallen behind on the new series, does anyone happen to know of a batch download for at least 20 to 30 episodes?
edit: Actually I realize this is a bad place to put this, a PM would suffice I guess?
Fuck yeah, ep 47 is out! Kurapika badassery!
That was crazy good, but for some reason, I recall the original being more exciting. I'm gonna check that out now, not a bad way to spend a few minutes xD.
Kyaa~~ Kurapika~
http://fireden.net/wp-content/upload...5/doushio1.jpg
Why is Kurapika not the main character of this story?
The artwork when Kurapica killed Ubo was amazing
He kind of was in the original anime, York Shin was all about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
All the Gon build up and expectation better be worth it. If he does not outdo Kurapika, then what's the point?
I'm actually glad that Gon isn't the strongest atm, less than a year after leaving the exam. I'm not sure if he's going to have a fight that's superior to this one though. This fight still stands as my favorite in the genre. Now, Kurapica's particular power kind of pissed me off originally. Like, they had *just* introduced the concept of nen mastery and how it works, and here we are with one of the main characters who has the power to break its rules. More than the chains and his restrictions on chain jail, that power allowed him to survive Uvogin's attacks and ultimately win. To make matters worse, he left that fight without a scratch. But I couldn't stay mad :o. Kurapica, vengeful warrior with a heart xD. He's way cooler than some other vengeful warrior we know in a much more popular yet highly inferior series...
And I absolutely loved the giddy look on Hisoka's face at the end there. It said he was very satisfied with himself for having made a worthwhile alliance, and that it was now just a matter of time before he got to fight Lucifer.
Especially Gon and to a lesser extent Killua are the traditional shounen heroes. Kurapika kind of feels like what the mangaka really would have wanted to tell about, but I can see various reasons why he opted to make Gon the primary one. Kurapika, as long as the spiders live, is quite one-sided in the end and his character development restricted to serve that one path, though naturally he still has humane sides to make him suitable for a hero. Nevertheless, he makes an excellent "fanservice" central character for single-minded, high-profile action.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
With Kurapika destined to follow such a dim road, I can see why he would enjoy Gon and Killua's company, since those two are also absurdly strong yet don't have anything so pressing and cheerless weighing down on their shoulders. They can just wander and goof around without a worry. Well, more or less. I guess a lesser dude would worry with Killua's background but he seems to be taking it easy.
Anyway.
Am I the only one who sees some kind of flaw regarding the power levels here? When Uborgin wonders if Kurapika has fully mastered several Nen-classes, what exactly does this mean? Are we lead to believe that Uborgin and Kurapika a truly at 100% of what is possible AT ALL with Nen?
Thatīs silly. And if it is indeed silly, there shouldnīt be a true mastery of any Nen-tree. Instead, itīd always be relative.
That was my only complaint about this episode. Animation was superb, though Gon vs Hisoka remains the best-animated battle so far.
I think the 100% is the efficiency with which they can use a particular type of Nen, not their level of mastery. More specifically, they can utilize the skills that they have learned in a particular category at maximum effectiveness. But that doesn't stop different Nen users of the same type from having a different degree of expertise. At the end of the fight, Kurapika determines that his enhancement abilities are just about enough to overcome the physical brawn of Uvo. This suggests that Uvo's mastery of enhancement alone is probably far greater than Kurapika's since he needed to use Chain Jail to forcefully activate Zetsu and seal up his aura before he could actually do any damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
So Kurapika's specialization ability doesn't automatically make him a MASTER of all Nen types, it just removes any handicaps that normal users have in using skills outside their own class.
Just imagine how one-sided he'll be once the Spiders are dead, and there's no one left he's able to use his powers on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
He wouldn't be able to use his conjured chain on anybody else, but his specialization ability isn't tied to the spiders. He could always move on to mastering other Nen types besides conjuration.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnder
Kurapica made that deal with himself because he dont care about his Nen once the Spiders are dead. He's probably gonna settle down and become a house wife, baking cookies all day long. And that is one of the reasons he ain't the main characters. He has no future beyond his revenge. Both Gon and Killuha has unwritten stories.
Except his specialization ability only works when his eyes glow, and with the Spiders dead, he'd have a hard time working himself up into the emotional frenzy needed to make them work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
I am sure there are plenty of ways he could get himself into a frenzied state if he actually had a motivation for doing so. Whether he cares about becoming stronger after he is done with the spiders is the bigger issue. Like TwisT said, he would probably be happier being a housewife baking cookies.
I really enjoy how all the side characters have more complex stories and emotions than Gon. When the main character is so simple and provides a foil to the entire setting of the manga, its much easier for Togashi to draw the reader into a complex world without feeling convoluted. And whenever Gon does act serious, we are impacted much more than we would be for regular shonen heroes.
Episode 48 is out!
I suppose Gon became a little more interesting with this episode focusing largely on pointing out Gon being a clear canvas for the colours of other characters to shine more brightly on isn't necessarily an all bad thing. If you look at it the way the apprivoise guy did, he's quite different by being so simple.
Next episode should grant them a good lesson on power levels, based on the preview.
You guys remember how I said I didn't enjoy Kurapika's story arch? Yeah, this new version makes me hate Gon X Killia X Leario episodes :P Get back to spider killing!
49 is out!
This is just too awesome. The Spiders are Akatsuki done the correct way. Near-invincible monster, every single one of them, and impossible to defeat for the heroes by themselves. <3
And so much stuff going on at the same time. The next couple of episodes should be really fun.
Thing is, every single strong one in the show, would be fairly invicible even without nen or other supernatural powers. Why? because they have the wits, some have experience etc.
Then they also happen to have incredible powers they can play with.
However, they also have flaws and weaknesses.
Something different about that show is that bad guys aren't necessarilly all that evil, like good ones aren't pure and saints.
Bad guys aren't dumb or totally fucked up in the head (well maybe Hisoka is... :D )
The troupe is great as even if they are incredibly strong as individuals, they still are able to work together as a group.
Even if that coop is limited, it clearly increases their efficiency.
Kurapika can't defeat them as a group right now, he'll have to wait for other people to kill some or to be able to team with others.
This show is just so good, it makes me feel the "awe" in the word awesome.
I already pretty much know how this will turn out and yet i could still feel the tension. Well done Madhouse, a truly wonderful adaptation of one of my classical favorites.
Yeah. You can tell the direction and the whole production is well made when that happens. I feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
http://youtu.be/IFZQCbnEyMIQuote:
Originally Posted by David75
Went back to watch the original TV series version of this scene. I have to say that the new rendition did a much better job at the tension build up, especially with the eye zoom-ins.
No links please
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Continuing strong.
Only complaint I had: Is Nobunaga that slow? I thought all Troupe-members were lightning-fast, so it felt a bit off to me when Gon and Killua ran up to him and then managed to break through the walls to escape. At least breaking the walls should slow them down enough to give Nobunaga the time to react.
On the positive side, I need to mention how genius the writing here was regarding Killua, Pakunoda and Kurapika. This whole "I didnīt know who it was, but then an image popped up in my head"-thing that Killua said would be bullshit in any other anime. Here it feels right, believable. And the order in which things happened made it all the more exciting.
I'm curious about that dude with the boxing gloves who's wrapped in bandages, sup with him? :p
The scenes where Gon and Killua had just been caught by the ryoudan showed not so much the speed of the spiders, but their ability to read both Gon and Killua, and their quick response, enabling them to preempt anything their opponents tried to do. In the case where Nobunaga was guarding the two, Gon and Killua managed to trick him, and cause him to misread their intentions, reducing his ability to preempt their escape. He was mentally and physically set to stop a head on attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I don't think Nobunaga is the brightest one in the bunch anyway. Or maybe that's not the right word. Let's say he's not necessarily guileful enough to expect the unexpected. He simply couldn't guess the attack wasn't an attack at all but a diversion. The same was proven again when he heard Gon shouting they can take him down together. He was fully prepared for a fight, instead of imagining it was nothing but another plot to lead him astray. I'm pretty sure some other members of Spiders would have read correctly Killua and Gon's real intentions in both cases. Nobunaga is too much a straight-forward fighter - as is natural for somebody looking like a samurai.
Nobunaga closing the door was really fun. To me, that particular image was to tell us Nobunaga is more of a natural/action fighter than a clever one. Even the other troupe members were telling he's a one-on-one type. So having two clever little guys tricking him showed how lacking he is in those cases.
Killua and Gon breaking walls reminded me too much of the same trick they used during the Hunter exam. But after all, why not use the same trick when it works?
Oh man, they STILL haven't changed the opening theme...? They just mix up some of the animation...
Watch out Killua! Don't let Barbara Streisand read your mind!
Animes generally change opening themes either once every 13 episodes for shorter series, or 26 episodes for longer shonen shows. We have 2 episodes to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
Yeah, but they JUST made those changes to the intro this episode showing more of the Spiders.
I doubt they'd bother making that alteration if they were only going to use it for 3 episodes.
This. .Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnder
I think theyve been making changes the entire season. Considering they changed the opening theme around episode 26, Im confident they'll stick to the tradition that every other shonen anime has been following for over a decade.
They didn't, it's been the same song from the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
Oh, they only changed the animation....my bad. It would be funny if they kept the same song for 100 episodes.
No it wouldn't, it would suck. >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
Actually, I'm pretty sure they changed the song as well.
It's the same song, but a lot of the lyrics changed at the same time the opening changed.
51 is out!
Great last half of the episode.
Would you guys say I should watch this if I had seen the older series, or should I just wait until they finish the Greed Island arc, and just hop on from there?
I loved how the Requiem played all the way through the credits.
Well, anyone that's still reading this thread to see your question has obviously deemed it worth watching again, so there's probably only one answer you can expect to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Personally, You can skip Karrapika or w/e storyarc and pick right back up at greed island arc and you won't miss much. Cause after that, it's pretty much Gon storyline for a LONG time.
And once again, HXH re-confirms that itīs the best shounen-series. What a fantastic episode, and itīs only going to get better from here.
Favorite line: "The boss has a rule this time" - "what, a rule?" - "go ABSOLUTE crazy"
badass <3
52 is out!
Hmm... i know that fight wasn't significantly important in terms of plot but it is one of highest level battles we'll ever get to see in HxH so i wish Madhouse would have animated it a bit better.
Not that it was badly animated, it was just pretty meh.
As far as this week's episode goes, it's was freaking awesome. I enjoyed the fighting and Zeno's insta-analysis. Good thing Kurapica didn't get to go in there and die.
The two series are nearly equivalent. Specifically, some things are more exciting in the original, some things are more exciting in this version. I'd give the edge to the original series for the handful of filler episodes they had that were excellent to the point that you don't recognize that they're filler unless you've read the manga. However the superior animation in the second series is not to be ignored. Basically, if you're not a die hard fan, there's no reason to watch anything you've seen before up to this point. That may change in the future, but probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Cool, thanks guys.
Guess I'll check in later.
I would figure any die-hard fan would want to skip the filler, thus making the second series better. I know I sure did back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles
I watched the anime before reading the manga. When I read the manga, I thought the anime was better for the filler that was presented; not only whole episode filler, but also filler that occured within episodes. The filler in that series was really good at adding extra things that did not detract from the story, as well as fleshing things out that were relevant to the story. Filler does not automatically equal "bad".
53 is out!
Great episode. Also wanted to say: Kishimoto totally got the "idea" for Uchiha and Sharingan from HXH and Kurapika and the Kurta clan.
Oh, he stole liberally, and without shame from hxh. The entire Chuunin Exam is a bastardization of the hunter exam, characters included.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Akatsuki : Phantom TroupeQuote:
Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles
Chakra : Nen
Orochimaru : Hisoka
Kuripaka/Gon :Sasuke/Naruto
The list goes on and on.
54 is out!
Chakra, Nen, Reiatsu, Haki...it's all just Ki really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
Your reasoning makes my head hurtQuote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
Akatsuki : Phantom Troupe - Yeah, because HxH was the first series to introduce the concept of an evil organization
Orochimaru : Hisoka - And the concept of an antagonist
Chakra : Nen - Read Ender's post
Kuripaka/Gon :Sasuke/Naruto - Now you're just being retarded
Arc, are you actually implying that Kishimoto didnt totally rip off HXH? Yes, single elements of story-writing occur in a lot of stories. But the similarities in this case are too blunt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
You're usually smarter than this:
Akatsuki: Outlaws of opposite personalities traveling in pairs of two. Sound familiar?
Orochimaru: Because every antagonist introduced in an exam arc is obviously going to be a creepy pale-skinned pedo?
Chakra: Both chakra and nen gave way to more intricate abilities than Chi/Reitsu.
Kuripaka/Gon: Sorry I meant to type Killua/Gon. Yes the rivalry of the pure protagonist with his shrewd best friend is a common throughout shonen genre, but Gon's best friend having an obsessive relationship with a criminal older brother doesn't sound familiar? If not also coming from an elite mercenary family? Weren't the Uchihas the police of Konoha?
The entire chuunin exam arc was probably ripped off the Hunter Exam arc.
And just in case all of that doesn't make things plain enough:
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