Yea, her role in the anime is for "comical" effects after the first arc subsided. However, the librorum is important to those who still seek out the forbidden spells; we just haven't seen those type of villains yet.
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Yea, her role in the anime is for "comical" effects after the first arc subsided. However, the librorum is important to those who still seek out the forbidden spells; we just haven't seen those type of villains yet.
Is anyone actually watching the AoShen version?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't watch their version.
I think I tried them, but since Eclipse was like 12-24 hours late only at max, I decided it was worth the wait
Based on the quality (or lack of) of the AoShen Birdy releases, I judge it's completely worth the delay to wait for Eclipse.
Plus... I think AoShen uses a non wide-screen version. I think I readed somewhere this was the reason Eclipse waited for another channel's source.
I guess there might be some people who would watch the AoShen subs for the sake of knowing what happens next. But, I agree. The Eclipse fansubs are better and are definitely worth the wait. Should I continue doing AoShen and Eclipse or just wait for Eclipse overall?
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Originally Posted by Nadouku
Well if you like being the first posting a release, then you should stick doing what you did I guess. If not, someone may take your idea their own.
In the end, posting a link is nice to the community as it's a nice place to come to to check for shows we like. Even if we can do it with torrent spiders, sometimes it happens that we forget some titles, or are too lazy to actively seek for them, but here they are, at gotwoot.
Do what you're doing now, but just post AoShen's release there, and make a new post when Eclipse's release comes out. Reason for that is so the thread actually gets bumped to tell people of a release, since a lot of people don't keep checking threads (myself included) when there's no "progress"Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadouku
ie new posts.
Yes i prefer Eclipse's releases actually. In fact when Thora announced their bluray versions of the show, I just did a quick compare to see how much the bluray version would improve the visual quality overall, and to my amazement I did not see much improvement actually. The only thing the bluray version improves is the audio because my 7.1 is able to separate out all the channels.
The visual improvement is not by much because the fansubs are coming from an HDTV source.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitalrurouni
With some other shows like ef for example, the difference is just stunning and let's you think the show is different altoghter as the visuals are so important there.
Regarding quality you then have:
SDTV source: watch only if you can't wait weeks/months and/or you want to speak about the show with many people on many places
HDTV source: quality should be fine provided the encoding is done well and subs are of a decent quality. Same
Blu-ray source: It's the best option quality wise but you have to wait till the end of the show most of the time. So you can't really share opinions anymore. Also you may miss some winks related to news (like the wink to Obama in ep 15 from TMI). But since you have all eps, you can marathon watch which is sometimes great because you don't loose anything from main arcs and can progress from ep to ep without losing anything.
Picture wise, the quality won't improve by much over a nicely encoded HDTV source. Subs might be better as subbers had lots of time working on other source, or/and either can rework their previous productions. Also, as they have all eps, they can also care about global quality for namings and other details.
So for now, let's wait for Eclipse's
I gave up and watched AoShen's release. They are pretty bad. They need a QC who understands proper grammar. "I and Tsuchimikado"? Damn people. Actually, they need a QC period. So many mistakes, and so easy to spot.
Impressions of the new OP? Beginning lyrics sucked, rest of it was average, nothing special. Introduction of new busty dark haired sensei (yum), as well as new characters with different abilities.
That was resolved rather lamely.
RZ's gonna love the preview for next episode though.
There's a new OP? No wonder Eclipse is taking so long.
Yeah there is, and it's much better than the last one
Now i hope they'll change the ending too, it's too girly.
I knew the culprit was obvious, but I was mistaken about the other one. Coincidentally activiting a spell with the pre-arranged artifacts in the exact locations? That's just strange.
Tsuchimikado sure has a powerful ability. He can use magic all he wants now, with the reprecussions of feeling pain every time he does so. But... everything felt pretty rushed, for some reason.
Exactly, why putting so much effort in a long preparation for the angel fall and have everything rushed so much, I wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadouku
Or the angel fall is in a bigger arch? because the 3000 lucky charms collection and exact arrangement is hard to swallow somehow. I wonder if Touya was controlled into doing this.
I wouldn't count on that. Tsuchimikado said they were arranged according to feng shui. So, in a certain sense, it was only a matter of time. The dad kept collecting all manner of good luck items everywhere he could in order to "save" his son, and arranged them carefully. I think the special skill here is his deep connection to feng shui to be able to arrange them like that. But in a world like that, it's actually pretty natural he could have such an instinct. So, in short, he kept collecting them until a critical threshold was breached.
What comes to the flattened climax of this arc, I think it might actually suit this series, in the end. All things considered, this is a strange mix of cruel, badass powers and high goofiness.
Well that sure was a rather disappointing climax to this arc, even though it started out so well. The fact that a spell of this magnitude was started coincidentally, seemed like such a lame explanation. It doesn't bode well for their world, if spells like this can be cast so randomly.
Tsuchimikado's ability seems pretty sweet. It'll be interesting to see if he sticks around to use it again, in the future.
@Repper - Yes, that's right.
Auto-revive?! That's some hax skill, for getter or worse. Like you all, I felt this climax was rather dull, mainly because they built the whole thing up so epically, then it just kinda went.....meh.
Tsuchimikado's ability was actually pretty sweet, but it just kind of came out of no where, just like his Taijutsu. Perhaps they train Feng Shui with Kung Fu? What really killed his spell was how simple it was. It's a bit hard to overwhelm the audience with paper-in-corner + glitter = BOOM. Perhaps if it was a more complicated spell things might have turned out better.
Touma didn't really earn Kanzaki's thanks this time round neither. Besides finding Misha fishy, he didn't do terribly much. Tsuchimikado's the guy who almost lost his life (but knew he'd get it back :p)
And like always, Index shows up at the end of the arc just to remind us what this show's called.
Next week looks fun though. Mikoto Date FTW!!!
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by animus
Wow... that was definitely random. I totally LOLed at Angel fall being casted by mere coincidence. Still... why did "Misha" want to hunt the caster? She wanted to return to the sky? Or wanted to stop the only way for her to go back? But if Tsuchimikado's sacrifice was enough... would "Misha" need to kill anyone who sought Angel fall before it was finished?
Loved how Touma completely forgot what he did to Index. Although I hate her more for that ending. Love the series... but the only time I've liked Index character was in the first arc. After that she plainly sucks.
Loved the new opening. Specially now that "her" is there :D
And oh yeah!!! 5th arc is here!! And we got Mikoto's date :D Definitely quoting animus for truth.
In her mind, I think Misha just think killing the castor is the way to go (back to heaven). I think if the spell was completed, she wouldn't have been able to go back.
-Kanzaki's religion allowed her anti-diety magic. Supposedly that gives her the power to fight against an angel, but all we saw was sword play?! That turned out kind of lame.
As for the OP, I don't know. whereas the first one built up to nothing, this one doesn't build up at all...but the animation sequences were interesting.
We didn't even see sword play. All we saw was her deflecting crystal bullets.
Specially the new characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
The first op only showed you what happened or what was going to happen on the previous arcs. Kinda weird to see Misha on the new one until the episode where her arc ends.
Well this episode was kind of a buzzkill but since it's the first in 17 episodes i can let it slide
As for the new opening:
- Is it me or does accelerator look normal? Maybe losing was just what that psycho needed.
- Lol sexy sensei vs loli sensei should bring loads of laughs
- Dam Mikoto must rly be a popular character, there's 3 of her now O_o
:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
Even Wikipedia (don't go read it... avoid spoilers...) says Index became a comedy character after first arc/novel.
And Mikoto gets the good parts.
Thank god, more Mikoto and less index.
About this ep - 'nuff said, climax was weak, tsuchimikado is more weird than he was, and less index. overall good ep but could be better, remove index and it will be way better.
(she does not deserve a capital letter in her name after first arc).
Index wouldn't be such a hate-attracting character if they actually did something with her. I would imagine it'd be quite enjoyable if some shady organisations were after Index's index, and at some climax she'd be able to spit out some crazy powerful spell.
A bit cliche, but it'll still be pretty cool. Too bad they introduced the concept in the first arc, but never touched on it since.
The series title should be focused on Touma. He's the one we keep seeing. Index is just an annoying brat who only listens to her stomach.
Meanwhile... Mikoto is mine. And her clones. Hands off!
It is true that the series revolves around Touma, with Index becoming a secondary character after the events of the first arc. However, her Librorum is still important to the series, and since no organization has made plans to even inact on that idea, she'll be put aside for a long, long time. The next episode seems to be another Touma/Mikoto arc, so predicably, it should be good.
Fair enough since you met them first.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
...but the third one is mine
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Originally Posted by RyougaZell
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Even Wikipedia (don't go read it... avoid spoilers...) says Index became a comedy character after first arc/novel.
This is just on episode 17. We get it. You hate Index. You really don't need to tell us three times every episode. Archangel didn't even mention Index, and you brought up how much you hate her.Quote:
Although I hate her more for that ending. Love the series... but the only time I've liked Index character was in the first arc. After that she plainly sucks.
I also understand that you look at the novels (but may not read them). Enough about which arc this is, the minor hints at who is showing up next time, that the, "Mikoto Date is finally here!" or something similar.
This is not too far from hinting at manga content for other series. There are rules against this kind of behavior in the other forums (notably Bleach and Naruto for their very explicit rules on it). It is starting to get out of hand. As a favor to the rest of us, I humbly ask you to please stop.
I also realize how much of a hypocrite I am asking for this, having done it a few times myself. But I usually stop after a few episodes, or make remarks after the content has aired at how it was different in the manga/novels.
My comment on the 'date' was based on this previous post. I've been commenting ONLY on what is shown on episode, previews or intros. No novels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Your first quote was in response on this. About how Index's character became secondary despite her name being on the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
While Archie didn't comment on Index... my comment on your 2nd quote was based on how Mikoto seemed to be more popular than Index.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
Third quote was based that on how yet again she decided to attack Touma, despite he being on the hospital after saving everyone. Including her. Am I not free to comment on a scene from the episode?
As far as I remember, the only time I've really hinted at what was coming next or what was supposed to happen was way back on episode 5, when the Vampire arc began and I was expecting the Mikoto arc. Even Animus, as a fellow manga reader, had commented on it (as he was expecting the scene of Index's past which was shown on the manga while the anime only talked about it)
I'll stop there since the thread is about episode 17, but I don't get why you suddenly feel the need to try and censore my opinions on certain characters, as you yourself admitted you've done it before. Maybe because now you are on the receiving end? If you so desire then I will omit commenting on the Index's threads.
If I was talking about the novels I would be revealing who are the characters on the new intro and not something already mentioned on the thread through the preview.
Over and out.
Toaru is rivaling Allison & Lillia in the anti-climax, dumb conclusions department. Overall the episode had some decent moments, but the episode itself made this whole arc pointless and worthless.
@RZ -
I don't think Ryll is trying to censor your opinions, but just remind you that expressing your opinion does not require you to do it 3x or more in one episode thread. I personally hate Index's guts, but you don't see me posting about it in every episode, even if someone else brought it up.
I do understand your point about the novels though. So far, you have not spoiled anything major. You should understand however, that there are people with good insight reading your posts, and just from the fact that they know you have read the manga or novel and the information you post (no matter how small a clue it is), some can unwillingly deduce what is going to happen next.
I am not saying you have done this so far, but it might be better to avoid it from happening in the future.
Don't take it personally. I myself have been warned about such behavior (since I watch raw releases), and so has Ryll (in the claymore thread, I believe).
There are plenty of times you've talked about the novels (eps 13 thread, eps 14 thread, etc), or extensively about the prequel doujin, or any number of other parts. You mention the wikipedia article a lot lately. You seem to have read it and spoiled yourself rather extensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
It's not that you're mentioning characters yet to be seen or any actual spoilers (and I thank you for that), but rather that you keep mentioning you know. "The nth Arc starts this way," "[this] part is finally here!" etc. Not spoiling, but hinting at knowledge about it.
It's more the constant mentions of how much you hate Index over the potential for spoilers. It is in nearly every post since the last Mikoto arc ended.
By all means do not stop posting in these threads, you are a valuable contributor to the discussions. Just use a little more discretion.
If you wish to continue this discussion, we should move it to PMs.
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And shinta is right. It did happen to me in the Claymore thread, I did take it personally, had the same reaction (threatened to stop posting in the thread), went through on it, later realized I went overboard, and came back to the thread.
I propose:Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
とある不幸の当麻 (Toaru Fukou no Touma)
Perhaps more truthfully:
とある当麻のハーレム (Toaru Touma no Harem)
Lawl, Google Translator nets me "Taima the unfortunate phrase"
Wtf u know Japanese bill?? Shit, i'm jealous.
And who cares about index anyway? Nough bitching about the loli, just ignore her like i do.
Nah, I wish I did. A mixture of Kanji-recognition, Google/wiki, Babel fish and very shallow syntax knowledge gets me around though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
Oh, and now that we've seen Touma's mum:
1) I thought Touma was going to have a MILF moment, after his reaction
2) It doesn't make the swimsuit any less wrong.
... or does it make it all the more right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Such a boring interaction between Touma and his MILF of a mom. I mean, he didn't ask her or his father a single thing. Normally you'd want to learn more about your seemingly caring parents, and your own past with subtle questions.
He didn't have too much time before the head biter appeared. Plus he might not be quick-witted enough to immediately start to interrogate them after seeing his mom for the "first" time. And lastly if I was his in his place, I'd also be held back by the way I treated her back when she looked like Index...
Is it normal for parents to call their child ".....-san"?
I'm just used to hearing -chan, other variations or no honourifics at all. Or maybe it's just his mum's voice that makes it sound strange, and I've heard it a million times before?
It is possible for really traditional families that value formalities. It can also depend on the person. Still, it is very rare.
Remember that Touma was shocked to hear Index speak so formally, when in fact it was her mother. To me the terms used described her speach as very elaborate and high class.
But I may be lost between translation and bad memory.
So maybe his mother really is that, someone of a higher class. It may sound strange as his father seems to be your average guy.
Or maybe they just aren't very close? But, still they didn't seem like an unhappy family.
I loved where they made fun of Shizuka Itou's (Kanzaki's seiyuu if you didn't know her name) alcohol woes.
I've heard the story alluded to in a few places, but this was the last place I expected to see it.
EDIT:
Just in case you don't get the joke, the official name of her blog:
http://ameblo.jp/beerlover-shizuka/
This thing was surprisingly good.
Indeed. I didn't think I would like it, but I found it enjoyable. My favorite was the Kanzaki section that Ryllharu mentioned. I laughed when they said she got piss drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Board of Command
Kanzaki scenes were the best, and I definitely liked the ending bit. I like the imitation from Shakugan no Shana, but there were lots of other references too.
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Originally Posted by David75
you would call his father "average" ?
isn't he traveling around the world, or doing something similiar? I see him more of an rich man of business or something like that.
I didn't want to wait this time so i watched AoShen
Wow, Zell is gonna blow a fuse with this one O_o
It was refreshing seeing Index being useful again.
Even more so after i rewatched the first episodes, i feel like her progression in the story was becoming nothing short of idiotic but it too a good turn on this one.
I really wonder what the writer is thinking as to who'll be Touma's love interest in the future, because unless he's into polygamy he's just burying his ass further down on each ep.
I think i'll support the Tousaka couple, i like loli tsunderes
Average as in dress and manerism. He's in a T-shirt, doesn't talk refined nor gruff etc. You can't tell exactly if he's rich, but he doesn't hold back when it comes to souvenirs.
[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 18 (1280x720 h264) [BE8ED238].mkv
[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 18 (XviD) [E810AFDF].avi
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This episode turned out better than I expected. I thought it was going to be a comedic date episode, but I was wrong and I'm glad I was.
The Shocker was so cute in deredere mode. Turning red and being all shy was so out of character for her. I would like to see her and Touma end up together in the future.
Aw, Mikoto being embarassed and Index being helpful was a plus in my book. This episode had the original feel back into it, unlike the last episode, and looks like Touma's harem has been cut down to 10, but still good enough with all the other girls, right?
[PLOT]Anyway, I really like the reasoning of that magician. Touma is gathering a lot of powerful allies, magicians and Level 5 Espers alike, and how it's named "Touma Faction." Whatever the opposing group is better have something more powerful than the Imagine Breaker and all the other support abilities behind him.[/PLOT]
That was an awesome episode! Was not disappointed in it at all. I really love how the different magicians use different powers and implements...pretty awesome. Go Touma!!! :)
I fully support Mikoto.
Btw, whatever happened to that wave emitting magician?
Uhhh... a really deredere Mikoto. :D
nice episode, the fight was very cool too.
I can only say positive things about this show so far... I love it
Mikoto is surprisingly shy. But I guess it can't be helped since she really seems to have fallen in love with Touma. However, more than her behavior in Touma's company I was surprised she hadn't more guts in dealing with the random new guy (or rather the mage posing as the guy). The level 5 power really hasn't turned her arrogant at all.
well she explained why she can't turn him down so easily... he's the grandsom of her school's superintendent
You better stop playing with your old man's time machine, KrayZ. We aren't living the 19th century anymore. Female students don't need to grant favours of any kind of any relatives of superintendents. It's probably a pretty expensive school anyway, so actually it should be the other way around. Even in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Anyway, that's exactly what surprised me: That Mikoto the Railgun is such a timid good girl than she can't turn a guy down.
I think you shouldn't compare the real world with the anime world :/
rewatch episode 1 and you'll see that Mikoto is not really a "good girl" ^^
and it's not like she made up the grandson part to hide that she is actually a nice person.. at least it didn't sound like that at all
While that is true in the real world...according to what the anime said...and what KrayZ was right in pointing out was Mikoto felt she could not turn him away because he was the grandson of the school's superintendent...Krayz is not making stuff up. Its a bit unwarranted dont you think? Anyway :) I am surprised too that Mikoto the Railgun cant turn a guy down especially in the 1st episode she presumably took the gang down!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
It all comes down to how much the superintendent spoils his grandson, how vengeful and spiteful his grandson is, and just how upright the superintendent is. Considering how Mikoto said it, it sounds like his "status" is what's keeping her from ditching him like she would to some random rather than the above reasons though. Or that she tries to keep up a good image in front of all the higher-ups like stereotypical top students?
Anyway, MIKOTO!! Did she end up eating that hotdog after the switch? I liked how it was so obvious to the audience that they mixed up after all :)
As for this "Touma Fraction", I thought they introduced it a bit too early, since he's barely done any "rallying" of sorts. Then again, he did defeat the city's strongest level 5, putting him in the spotlight of things. For hypersensitive, paranoid snooping parties in particular, he would be seen as a threat. After all,right before his vocation, they did warn him: Things could get dangerous.
What didn't make sense was who and how Index was getting her info. From what we've seen, she hasn't maintained contact with wither Stiyl or Kanzaki. I don't think the Church would do so much as directly contact her neither, given how they've never shown up and regarded her as simply a "container".
Funnily enough, the whole chasing scene with uber-powerful shapeshifters, cellphone calls and computer screens intel gave me the Matrix vibes.
what info, you mean how she knew about this lance etc? she is the container of 103.000 grimoires after all so I guess she can "read" them anytime.Quote:
What didn't make sense was who and how Index was getting her info. From what we've seen, she hasn't maintained contact with wither Stiyl or Kanzaki. I don't think the Church would do so much as directly contact her neither, given how they've never shown up and regarded her as simply a "container".
edit: @ rep
even if she isn't able to access the grimoires, Index knows about all that.."magic, Index, Necessarius... knowledge keeps popping up" is what she said in ep 2 or 3, so I thought that memory from the grimoires leaks/leaked and she knows about it
so instead of repping people just because you *think* you are right, you could at least make a statment in this thread just like everybody else and tell us why you think so.
isn't it a bit boring otherwise?
btw when was it stated that she has no access to it? During the time when Touma dispelled the magic seal? I can't remember that and I'm not able to rewatch the scene for now (this week), anybody knows that?
I believe that was the main point of the first arc. Index having the 103,000 grimoires in her brain and having no access to it.
Fantastic episode. Have watched it several times already. Skipping after the intro of course.
I'll have to check on that. From what I remember, they said the church stored the grimoires in Index because she couldn't use magic - which we later found to merely a programmed limitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
@KrayZ: Yeah, I think you're right. I confused the Mahou Anime she was watching on TV from actual info -> I read the stuff she was babbling before the phone rang, it all makes sense now. And yeah, I do think she can access it, since "robot mode" is gone.
Well, this was quite a cool episode. Loved the whole "Touma Faction" things, and that they're becoming a powerful group so the higher ups are targetting not only him, but all the people around him.
Did anyone not notice how Mikoto was more preoccupied with listening to what Touma may feel towards her instead of tending to [the fake] Mitsuki who was crushed under pillars of steel beams? [The fake] Mitsuki did like her as well...
It was nice to see a little humanity and humility inSesshomaruAccelerator now that the experiement is over, although MISAKA 20001's double self-referential speak was starting to get a little annoying.
I did enjoy that the reason he blocked out sound was Index.
Not too much else to say, this was mostly setup and intro for next time.
20001's analysis of how Accelerator treated the MISAKAs was interesting. We haven't seen him that flustered since he got punched by Touma.
Fantastic episode... and a complete change of pace having an episode centered on someone else other than Touma.
Last Order's speech... was it translated accurately? I mean she always said " - verb - Misaka wa Misaka wa" yet the translation had the verb twice.
For a moment I thought Accelerator blocked Komoe sensei's voice... but I guess it was the Librorium. He doesn't even know her and he is annoyed. BTW... that voice blocking is connected directly to last episode right? Since it was the last day of vacation the previous episode and this took place that same night. Could Last Order have been looking for Touma and yet she decided to follow Accelerator instead upon seeing him? She started following him just after he blocked Librorium's voice.
Last Order (I suppose that's her official name?) seemed to imply she went after Accelerator on purpose. In some odd way, the core of the MISAKA network actually seems quite fond of the person who murdered her 10,000 times.
At first I was speculating that this was due to her not being....ripened properly, but then she gave that long discussion in the diner about how he must not be a bad person because he kept trying to scare her off and whatnot. Maybe despite the alternate opinions of certain individual MISAKAs (notably 10031 and 10032's affection for Touma), Last Order having spent all the other time "playing with" Accelerator, prefers him.
I noticed it but to be honest, he did hurt Mitsuki and took his skin to camouflage himself, since I assume that the real Mitsuki told Mikoto what happened. You can't expect her to reciproate her feelings to him just because he confessed about it to Touma during their fight. Even then she only heard about him saying "Can you protect her?" so that's completely arbitrary.Quote:
Originally Posted by enkoujin
10031's affection for Touma? I was under the impression 10031 died without knowing him and that Touma only interacted directly with 10032.
10031 was the one that Touma walked around the town with after she found the cat that she was afraid she was causing harm to with her electric field. She died in the alley (Accelerator reversed the flow of blood in her body) and then 10032 explained the whole situation when Touma found them taking away the body.
From episode 11, 10:17
MISAKA 10032: The Misaka that you have been in touch with is Serial Number 10032. This MISAKA. .......... The other MISAKA simply share MISAKA-10032's memories .........
MISAKA 10032 left the cat behind to go and clean up 10031's failure. My guess is that the 'next' in line cleanes up. As we saw they activate more than one at a time.
About the current episode...
Anybody found weird Last Order (20001) walked around all town naked? And that not even the people at the restaurant say anything about it?
And wow at people having the guts to raid Accelerator's department just like that...
The MISAKAs are self-referential. "You have been in touch with" refers to herself at that moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
You could view it 10032 ran off to clean up the mess, but that only works if the two scenes are shown in parallel. The events in that episode were sequential, not parallel like the beginning of this episode was to the end of episode 18. Touma entered the store while 10031 stayed with the cat at first. While Touma aimlessly browsed the store, she ran off and got killed. He walked out to find her missing, and went after her into the alley. He found her body first. Then he called the cops, the cops came after a set amount of time, but the body was gone. That's when he met 10032 and the others carrying the body off.
Yes. They are self-refential. Yet he didn't say "MISAKA says" what she said was: "The MISAKA you have been interacting is 10032" She was talking of that unit clone... rather than the one killed off.
If I must give a sequential order to the scene I would say 10032 left the cat when she sensed the battle, so she went to gather other units. 10031 dies and Touma finds her, only for 10032 returning with the bags to carry the body away. Yes... its a little stretched... but the line I quoted points out that only 10032 interacted directly with Touma.
Maybe we should make a new thread for this... we are kinda discussing something from 8 episodes ago...
Interesting setup episode. Accelerator really has been in hard times since Touma punched the daylights out of him so every punk in Academy City thinks they can beat him in a street fight (to which they have been destroyed for that very reason). However, I have to disagree with Last Order's reasoning of Accelerator's massacre because if he really wanted to disregard his advancement to Level 6, he could have cancelled it anytime instead of just simply talking to the Sisters. Other than that, looks like someone's in a pinch next episode.
Now that we've got the hive mind itself in the series, it's vaguely on topic. Not to mention it stems from a post I made that was on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
Our disagreement is a systemic issue on how we believe the MISAKAs talk and use their hive mind (who we know now as Last Order). After rewatching episode 11, specifically 8:04, MISAKA-10032 claims that MISAKA intended to return once she was done with the operation.
If you view the, "had intended to return" (pluperfect tense, indictating failure), as a response from the hive mind rather than the individual, in conjunction with "the operation" being the kill attempt rather than the clean up, you get Touma interacting with 10031 in terms of the cat and visit to the store. She also mentions that, "MISAKA did actually die."
Only over the short term. Touma had met up with a number of different Sisters before the story focused on 10032.Quote:
..but the line I quoted points out that only 10032 interacted directly with Touma.
If you take into account the conversation before the line you quoted, then "The MISAKA you have been interacting with is 10032" refers to the new one and the conversation over the last 3 minutes, rather than the one he had been spending time with before. That line is meant to clarify after a half dozen more Sisters show up.
I think I'll reference other sources for this. I mean... you have very good points... but... lets see... Wikipedia marks 10032 as the first MISAKA Touma knows, not 10031. And yes, I know wikipedia can be edited by anyone, thus I reference the manga adaptation of the novel.
http://www.onemanga.com/To_Aru_Majutsu_no_Index/13/17/
In this page we see MISAKA 10032 and kitten noticing Accelerator leaving the alley. When their eyes meet MISAKA 10032 gets a 'flashback', noted by the famed black bars on manga, where she sees 10031 being killed.
Dunno if the novel made any reference to this... and the anime isn't clear in this scene... but the manga clearly shows the battle between 10031 and Accelerator as a flasback acquired by 10032.
EDIT:
Another page.
http://www.onemanga.com/To_Aru_Majutsu_no_Index/14/24/
This one references the scene I mentioned before. MISAKA 10032 says that the MISAKA Touma knows is herself, as she is pointing herself with her finger.
I loved that they included Taiga's Palm Tiger from Toradora.
The big fonts for Styl and Kanzaki were hilarious
Haha, I read Ryll's comment on the drinking incident before I watched this. It make it all the more funnier when she snapped :)
Well, now that we know Accelerator isn't a complete psycho, a Touma Fraction could really become powerful. I'm trying to figure out if he was simply acting psychotic/crazed, or whether he was really like that until his defeat lead to some introverted thinking.
Reason being that he's wondering what's changed as people are attacking him. To the audience, it's obvious that it's because he no longer looks like he'll rip someone's dick off or something if they look at him the wrong way.
Without knowing the Japanese, this depends on whether you trust Hidoi's manga translation over Eclipse's anime translation. I don't have the same confidence in Hidoi that I do in Eclipse's translation and editing team.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
If you guys can get me the raws, I might be able to settle the dispute. But I personally think it is a non-issue anyway.
Why not download the mkv and turn off the subs?Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Not the anime, but the manga.
I can get you the novel, not the manga.
But I wasn't referencing Hidoi's translation, but rather the black frame of the pages. Aren't this usually used to reference flashbacks?
Translation of "MISAKA wa, MISAKA wa [...]" was as correct as possible. its immposible to literaly translate everything from japanesee, ok its possible but it would be like:
"MISAKA statement telling that this is the subject of sentence(i have no idea how to translate this from polish most correct would be"If it comes to her/me"), MISAKA, if it comes to me, when, where etc statements here, does something".
So if this type of repeating would be made in english it would be like
"I do smth, I do smth [..]"
overall good episode - but MISAKA's speech was really annoying to me. Accelerator, even if we had seen some reasons for his actions(as MISAKA 20001 pointed out), it still seems to me as wierd change of character - why he had went berserk from begining against Touma? i can understound part after getting hit for first time in his whole life, but before that he was trying to kill Touma pretty hard too, and as we had seen in this ep if he fights normal guys he just dosen't bother to attack such small fries.
His new character seems like lazy guy acting cold with good-guy type personality deep inside him(if he was as cold as he seems he could just let MISAKA's get berserk).
I guess it was just me then who could not stand that hive mind Misaka?
MISAKA x2 was certainly annoying. It was bad enough with the mature MISAKAs but this was so well over the limits it's a wonder the voice actor herself wasn't driven crazy by it. I hope she will have less lines in the next episode.
Accelerator's change was for sure interesting. If we belive MISAKA, then it could actually be the dude was a minor bully in the beginning and agreed to the 20000 kills plan without much thinking, but started to get sick of it at some point, and gradually turned off some of his sensibilities to cope with it. Consequently he then gave off the kind of crazy feeling we got in the earier episodes. Now that he's spared from the continuous massacres, he's probably somewhat empty, but still more responsive when he doesn't need to go out killing every day.
I actually like his character better this way.
Having to go through and kill 10,000 (the amount he actually killed) is bad enough. I wouldn't be able to do that and see gorey bodies bloodied and twisted every way, ten thousand times.