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This is becoming in increasingly boring for me.
Skipping the action scenes is fine, it was obvious from the start that this wouldn't be that sort of show, but if they separate the main character's and their interaction than this is literally just a show about agriculture and basic economics and that's not enough for me.
That's true if you only see financial gain as the only drive possible, but what about something that one may find beneficial? They weren't doubting her conviction or her motives, they were calling it out to be treason. The conversation pretty much ended with:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Merchant: Your road is going to be red (bloodshed? Perhaps indicating Maou's because she'll attract enemies?)
Maou: Not if you help me.
Merchant: Why would I help you?
Maou: Because you'll have something to gain from it.
Maou only needed to remind him that having something to gain (and working with others because they have that common point) comes before everything else. The merchant sees the huge profits, and no contradiction in Maou's words. If their information network is as broad as befitting for such a large entity, they would already know that Maou is distributing potatoes via the Church, which confirms her motives.
How much is Maou selling the goods for? I'm not sure whether she was selling, or giving it away for free. I see what you're saying, but something like "I want to spread musical bliss" isn't in the same league if believability as "I want the war to end without anyone winning".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
In Maou's case, it isn't all about her trying to do good (like with the DAC case), but giving the Alliance a new market so they can stop funding the war that she dislikes.
For me, a better analogy would be:
I am an audio equipment store owner. Someone wants me to stock this really awesome DAC for them, but the unit cost for me is ridiculously low. I ask them what they have to benefit from that, and they say that they simply want to raise the accessibility of Hi-Fi by providing an affordable cost. In return, they want me to start phasing out a competition's brand (say, Beats by Dr Dre), because while they're more commonly recognised they're also more expensive, and it's against their vision of cheaper audio for all. (Maou's conversation made it unclear whether she would force the phase-out, or whether it would simply happen via natural progression)
You're both forgetting that the merchant was only pretending to be devout to the church and loyal to the central governments. In particular because they knew she has close ties to the church. She's using the convents to educate the masses, causing a mini-Renaissance. The merchants pretend to be loyal because it ingratiates them with the zealots who don't know better (i.e. not other merchants, and not the royals).
That's what his whole line about the motto of the Alliance, to be beyond human and be a profit seeking monster first, human second. That's what makes their line about how the two of them have so much in common is funny. They're both monsters first (one literal and one figuratively), pretending to be human.
Also, do not forget that she is giving them exclusive access to the gimbaled mariner's compass as well. Part of that was simply to have this meeting, but it is also a condition of their agreement. He brought mercenaries because he was afraid she was laying a trap for them. Her repeated insanely one-sided offers made them extremely suspicious.
We should have a music general thread so the normal ones don't get these useless updates.
Hey, I like the ED!Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
And yeah.. general music thread? (It's called nipponsei RSS :p )
In all seriousness though, a general music thread for anime wouldn't really work. The readers of that thread would be for people who want to download anime music regardless of the anime that it's attached to (which directs you back to the release groups anyway), while posting the releases in their respective anime threads makes sure only the relevant audience sees it. (assuming this "relevant audience" poses some interest in the songs as well).
Then just add these to the episode posts, they're worthless by themselves and only result in disappointment ^^
Heartily concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
I know the release schedule, so I realize they're not a new episode, but I see a Buff post, and there is a glimmer of hope that it will have some real content or discussion, but it is still just a torrent and nothing else, like much of his other posts.
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Let's just make a rule that whenever Buff posts a music torrent for a show, he has to say something substantial and interesting in the same post.
Then he'd just be forcing a topic so he could post his music.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
No, have him add that to edits of his previous posts.
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edit:I never quite understood the whole compass thing. The unique thing about it seemed to be the fact that it always stayed horizontal (so we're assume that the world already has compasses). How hard is it to keep a compass flat? In fact, it's the first time I've even seen a compass that bothers to stay level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryll
The market Maou was opening up involved expansion opportunities in the northern, more arid lands.. so it doesnt' even have anything to do with maritime exploration (the only real application I can think of). Even then, can't you float the compass in some water?
It's cool how moderators get carte blanche to do whatever spamming they see fit.
Nope. As per the usual rule, flag the post as you will, and a panel will deal with it as necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
if you have normal compass on ship - and ship is swaying - the reading won't be accurate and you can easily set the wrong course.
Forced discussion is better than no discussion i guess
It's amazing for them because of the gimbal, it allows for the compass to always lean perfectly north without worrying about the grounding of the needle while on a ship for example. It doesn't have to do with her immediate objectives but it's something the alliance can use, produce and sell for themselves for an hefty profit.Quote:
I never quite understood the whole compass thing. The unique thing about it seemed to be the fact that it always stayed horizontal (so we're assume that the world already has compasses). How hard is it to keep a compass flat? In fact, it's the first time I've even seen a compass that bothers to stay level.
The market Maou was opening up involved expansion opportunities in the northern, more arid lands.. so it doesnt' even have anything to do with maritime exploration (the only real application I can think of). Even then, can't you float the compass in some water?
Wouldn't it be better to sell them the plans then? Reverse engineering sounds like a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
I'm still not fully engrossed in the story thus far due to the way Maou seems to be some sort of genius at everything except fighting and love. Inventing, farming, economics.. I'm with Hero here.Why does she even need him around to save the world?* see edit. As (Ryll?) mentioned before, we haven't covered the problems with the Demon world yet. If we're to assume that the farming and crops originated from there (to make Maou's execution a bit more grounded in reality), exactly what problems are being alleviated by having a war for them?
edit: Okay, just remembered he's going around kicking butt. So the humans need some brains to solve their problems while the Demon world needs some muscle to keep things in order? Well.. that makes things easy :s. If that's the case, Maou and Hero should just swap places.
edit2: Maybe I'm just taking things the wrong way due to my prior perception that Maou is here to solve economic/people problems, not technological ones.
Do you not understand the concept of a bargaining chip...?
See here's the issue, you're forcing discussion by asking question that you'd have the answer to yourself if you thought about it for more that 10 seconds.
Sounds to me it would be easier to solve the human's problems first, then without no enemies to fight the Demon Lord would have time to organize the Demon World before they turned on each other again.Quote:
As (Ryll?) mentioned before, we haven't covered the problems with the Demon world yet.
What bargaining chip?Quote:
Do you not understand the concept of a bargaining chip...?
I'll go by steps:
- Create bargaining chip ( compass )
- Send compass to obtain Alliance's attention
- Schedule meeting with promise of trade
- Propose plan ( the spread of corn as food )
- Reach agreement.
Yeah. I get all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
The Alliance obviously likes their compass. My issue was that I didn't really see what was so good about it, or why something was so difficult for humans to make. Like I said in the boat scenario, I'd just float a compass in a bucket of water to deal with the rocking.