Naruto Chapter 438

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Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles

Oh, I wouldn't call everything that's happened so far "easy". And even then, I don't think Pain is going to go down "easily" at all in the next few chapters. I just think that when all is said and done, 1) Pain will be defeated, and 2) Kyuubi Naruto will not have been taken to his limits. I'm pretty sure Pain is going to put up one hell of a fight and we'll get to see a lot of Jutsu on the part of the nine tails that he'll need to deal with Pain's techniques (which would probably floor anyone else that's alive in the manga right now). But if either 1 or 2 turned out to be false...I'd be surprised, probably pleasantly so if the it doesn't come out like complete cheese.

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Well I'm expecting Pain to win, and I doubt we'll be seeing much from Naruto's newly acquired six-tailed form because win, lose or draw I'm not expecting this fight to go on much longer. I would be completely disappointed if Pain lost here, because at some point someone has to be able to put the Kyuubi down or this series is gonna go nowhere and really if even the leader of Akatsuki can't handle Kyuubi-Naruto then there really isn't much hope for anyone else going up against Naruto.

Madara and Sasuke can control the Kyuubi. And Yamato has the potential to, though he'll have to train a lot to deal with all nine tails. The Fourth seemed to think Naruto would learn to control the Kyuubi.

I am rooting for Pein too. I will change my mind when Sasuke shows up. He said he was going to Konoha after getting some rest. That was up to a week ago in the manga's time line. Sasuke's fight with Killabee took place during the week Naruto was training at Mt. Toad.

Sasuke figured out how to do a space-time jutsu similar to Kakashi's, when he saved Kirin from Amaterasu. It won't kill Pein, since Nagato is safe, but he can't defend against it either.

If random ninja X (Pein) can simply overpower the Kyuubi I think it cheapens the Kyuubi to the point of absurdity. The First's techniques seem to involve canceling out or suppressing bijuu power and the Sharingan, I am assuming, works on Kyubii by screwing with it on a mental level in both cases the sheer power of the beast is bypassed or removed from the equation instead of being directly fought against by the opponent. But so far it seems like Pein is going about this fight with Kyubii Naruto in a brute force manner. If a natural born human can have enough chakra to simply overpower the Kyubii then what is the point of building up the Kyubii in the series as this uber strong powerhouse?

I don't really care if Pein beats Kyubii Naruto but if it's going happen I really hope it's because of some convenient special ability/technique Pein uses that nullifies or reduces Kyubii Naruto's power rather than just hitting him with such a huge brick that he passes out.

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Originally Posted by Yukimura

so far it seems like Pein is going about this fight with Kyubii Naruto in a brute force manner. If a natural born human can have enough chakra to simply overpower the Kyubii then what is the point of building up the Kyubii in the series as this uber strong powerhouse?

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I think that's the whole point though. He's getting warmed up in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Yukimura

If a natural born human can have enough chakra to simply overpower the Kyubii then what is the point of building up the Kyubii in the series as this uber strong powerhouse?

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Its alright Yuki, I don't think anyone other than Dansetsu is expecting to see Pain flatten the Kyuubi.

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Originally Posted by Abdula

Its alright Yuki, I don't think anyone other than Dansetsu is expecting to see Pain flatten the Kyuubi.

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I'm back and fourth man. I can take it or leave it and swap sides to who ever at any time. Most people seem to switch and the people who seem to think Pain will win is equal. And honestly no, I don't think Pain will flatten him, but he is good at what he does. Actually, I thought all along that Pain was going to get owned by the six tails. That was my original opinion in this powerhouse shit fest. But, like I said, we'll see.

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Originally Posted by Yukimura

But so far it seems like Pein is going about this fight with Kyubii Naruto in a brute force manner.

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You have to be. How are you supposed to be smart against something like that? It's non stop power and chakra. He has no choice but to use brute force and strength over tactical advantage and thought. Most of all, he doesn't have time to fight that thing with thought. Pain has almost no thinking time. He does what he has to to stay alive.

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Originally Posted by Abdula

Its alright Yuki, I don't think anyone other than Dansetsu is expecting to see Pain flatten the Kyuubi.

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Overpowering a six tailed kyuubi would indeed be retarded but i'm hoping that he indeed has some an attack that is able to contain its powers

I mean if he doesn't have some sort of plan after antagonizing naruto so much to the point he finally released his "red fury" Pain would win the retard award for outstanding villains

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Originally Posted by Archangel

I mean if he doesn't have some sort of plan after antagonizing naruto so much to the point he finally released his "red fury" Pain would win the retard award for outstanding villains

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What plan?! There is no plan. You don't won't and can't plan against something like this. It just isn't handled that way. This isn't a delicate situation of learning to over power something of this caliber. It's just trying to get something done with more power than the other guy. He's too too too powerful just with six. I'll say one more time if he goes seven, or hell in the next chapter even (yes this is a prediction) he's going to start to get owned by Kyuubi if something isn't pulled off.

So you think Yondaime just pulled the whole Kyubii sealing out of his ass with no plan? You don't HAVE to use brute force to counter brute force if you have a way to effectively channel or divert the strength behind that force away from its user in some way. Oro's 5 Element Seal for example, if applied to Naruto right now could potentially cut off his power supply by screwing up the mechanism allowing the energy to flow from Kyuubi through Naruto and out into the world. That particular technique would be impractical in this situation of course but the principle is what's important. A person can't stop an engine with their bare hands but they can toss a wrench into one and disrupt the mechanisms which keep it running.

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Originally Posted by Dansetsu

Wow real original since I posted that about only 6 posts ago. The least you could have done is agree with me on it and quote me or back me up a bit. I really don't think this fight will end well or be short. Each one involved has something very powerful over and over again up their sleeve. And this chapter just bumped it up to the next level. Like I and everyone said, neither of them is backing down. This is the fight we've been waiting for in the series. At least one of the top two or three.

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I apologize, I don't really care enough to actually read any of your post except for this one since you've quoted me. To me, you're like the second coming of Abdula except you're dumb. Abdula can actually back-up his point.

Anyway, I think Pain is trying to supress the Kyubi mode and have Naruto pass out so he can capture him. But since he was also kinda surprise of the Kyubi's power, he's probably fighting for his life just as much as trying to capture Naruto.