Naruto vs. Sasuke

Abdula.
Payne and Madare came both from Kishi's ass, Madare at least made sense at some level (there have been speculations of a 2nd shooter in the uchiha massacre), while Payne comes from an unknown time, without any connection to anything.
Madare orders Payne around, at least for now. Madare is the one with connection to the tailed beasts, at least it seems like he has a plan. Payne, on the other hand, wants to show the rest of the people the sadness he feels inside, I assume that he writes poetry about his woe.

the fact that you and me don't understand the weakness doesn't mean a thing, we didn't understand the code writing either. the characters in the story understand, and it figures that eventually "the real one isn't there" will become the ultimate strategy to defeat payne, even if it makes no sense what so ever. Madare's weakness was supposedly known by Itachi, but he couldn't kill him with the triggered amaretsu.

I can't say anything about the 3 years delay of the plan, it never made any sense. and as each chapter passes, it makes less sense.


Ultimately, I'm hoping that there will be another 'villain-level' after this one, the akatsuki had potential to be the final enemies, but they ruined it by dying too quick, and being jerks.

i think rasenshuriken is the better of the two justus. kirin has a limited use and requires a set up. once its set up it sure to be an instant kill, but if someone know about the technique before hand a counter is sure to be ready. even if you consider sasuke and naruto using there techniques head to head naruto would have a rasenshuriken ready before sasuke could meet all of the conditions. and supposing that he did, the naruto that would get blasted by kirin would most likely be a kagebunshin decoy.

Recent developments may warrant a thread revival

With the Rasenshuriken being able to be thrown, are there any Kirin fans who would like to change their vote?

lol the way I c it is naruto can just hold the FRS on top of his head, best shield against kirin.

Amaterasu would overpower Rasenshuriken in accordance with the elements.

I'd say it depends on the accuracy. Sasuke is pretty fast, and Naruto would have to time it correctly. However, with the range expansion and vacuum effect, hmmm...

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Originally Posted by enkoujin

Amaterasu would overpower Rasenshuriken in accordance with the elements.

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Amaterasu would overpower pretty much anything

Undying flames are one hell of an haxx jutsu

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Originally Posted by rockmanj

I'd say it depends on the accuracy. Sasuke is pretty fast, and Naruto would have to time it correctly. However, with the range expansion and vacuum effect, hmmm...

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I would say that naruto has some decent speed himself when in sage mode

Remember this?

Kirin needs much preparation, it's pretty much 1-shot jutsu, supposed to be unavoidable and holds immense striking power.

Throwing rasenshuriken can be used more times, does not require long preparation kirin needs, also has got immense striking power. If used correctly (like Naruto uses it now) it is Rasenshuriken hands down IMO.

Kirin being unavoidable is just autoaim, just another Uchiha haxx :P And Itachi basically proved this assumption not true ( imagine Naruto's kage bunshin being struck down by kirin instead of true Naruto cause sharingan can't see which one is real XD )

edit: changed "shit" to "shot". "1-shit jutsu" sounds amusing, though :D

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Recent developments may warrant a thread revival

With the Rasenshuriken being able to be thrown, are there any Kirin fans who would like to change their vote?

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I dont even remember how I voted the first time.

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Originally Posted by SilentSnake

edit: changed "shit" to "shot". "1-shit jutsu" sounds amusing, though :D

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*tries to not imagine Chouji as an Earth element user*

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*fails*

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Originally Posted by iMUSTbeTHEdevil

I dont even remember how I voted the first time.

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Just post your current opinion on the subject then

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Just post your current opinion on the subject then

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Can I?! Thanks Archangel! :D

If we are talking Naruto throwing the Rasenshuriken and the Kirin coming down the sky, I would have to go with the Rasenshuriken. Wind does beat Lightning. And I know it has more to do that just the elements, it also has to do with how strong the attack is, the Rasenshuriken has quite a bit of power, but I am unsure how it would hold up against a large scale lightning attack. Especially after considering this It is is more like posion that it is anything else. I am not sure how that would work.

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Originally Posted by iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Can I?! Thanks Archangel! :D

If we are talking Naruto throwing the Rasenshuriken and the Kirin coming down the sky, I would have to go with the Rasenshuriken. Wind does beat Lightning. And I know it has more to do that just the elements, it also has to do with how strong the attack is, the Rasenshuriken has quite a bit of power, but I am unsure how it would hold up against a large scale lightning attack. Especially after considering this It is is more like posion that it is anything else. I am not sure how that would work.

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You're welcome :p

The question isn't which jutsu would win should they meet.
I would think that having the affinity advantage and its monstrous power the rasenshruiken would be the natural winner should that be the case.

Think which jutsu has the most destructive power, range, inability to avoid it, etc.

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You're welcome :p

The question isn't which jutsu would win should they meet.
I would think that having the affinity advantage and its monstrous power the rasenshruiken would be the natural winner should that be the case.

Think which jutsu has the most destructive power, range, inability to avoid it, etc.

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If that is the case then I am going to vote Kirin. Not to mention the Rasenshuriken has a major flaw, Naruto has to be in Sage Mode for it not to affect him and if he isnt it hurts him.

I think Naruto has sage mode down to an art. Even Jiraiya couldn't enter sage mode during battle without the help of those old frogs. Naruto can apply Kage Bushin to Sage Mode. Who would have thought he'd still be relying on Kage Bushin after so many years? Damn lucky that he stole that scroll.

as far as overall destructive power, that probably goes to kirin, but the Rasenshuriken is a lot more concentrated. In other words, if you get hit by the kirin, your only getting hit by a part of it. On the other hand, if you get hit with Rasenshuriken, your nailed with all of it.

After all, we're talking about a move the 4th and even Jiraiya couldn't master.

The only problem I see is that I don't think Naruto would use the Rasenshuriken on Sasuke. He may use it as a shield, but I don't see him using a kill shot on him.

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Originally Posted by samsonlonghair

I think Naruto has sage mode down to an art. Even Jiraiya couldn't enter sage mode during battle without the help of those old frogs. Naruto can apply Kage Bushin to Sage Mode. Who would have thought he'd still be relying on Kage Bushin after so many years? Damn lucky that he stole that scroll.

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Naruto better thank that Tiger dude.

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Originally Posted by iMUSTbeTHEdevil

If that is the case then I am going to vote Kirin. Not to mention the Rasenshuriken has a major flaw, Naruto has to be in Sage Mode for it not to affect him and if he isnt it hurts him.

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No it only hurts him if he uses it like a normal rasengan, it doesn't cause he throws it now. Though I think the thrown version is a lot less nastier then the close combat version.

Since it just slices like a destructo disc, the close combat version destroys the entire body and causes a huge crater. So it seems that only when the actual rasengan sphere makes contact is when the full power of it is unleashed.

Anyway I would say Naruto, hands down. As he is now, Sasuke is not even a match for Kakashi anymore. He lost his huge chakra pool and powerup device with the loss of the curse seal and he lost the healing ( and prolly some chakra pool) with the sealing of Oro.
So unless his mangekyou has a new sort of special attack ( which it prolly has), Sasuke is in a severe powered down state.
Sure Kirin is powerful, but it might as well just strike a kage bunshin instead. There goes all the time, preperation and chakra for it.

If Killer-bee could one shot him twice, then so can Naruto and Kakashi.

Let's not forget that Naruto in sage mode can kill people with normal punches (and can lift and throw gigantic summons... LOL), and has an absurdly high amount of defense. Even this alone is enough to allow him to beat Sasuke, even without his own numerous summons and Rasenshuriken.

I do agree that Naruto won't try to one-shot Sasuke at all. After all, he "understands" him now. That will be the severe handicap Naruto will have in case they do battle.

How fast is Rasenshuriken anyway? Pain was able to avoid several without the hax prediction powers of the Sharingan. I think both their special moves are very ineffective against each other. Kirin can fall for a decoy, and Rasenshuriken can be dodged. It will probably be decided by close combat, where Naruto should have an unbelievable edge with Sage mode.

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

How fast is Rasenshuriken anyway? Pain was able to avoid several without the hax prediction powers of the Sharingan

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Thank you! Finally someone agrees that it's slow as fuck. And compared to the Kirin, are you kidding me? It's fucking lightning on it's own. It finds the target in the blink of an eye and does it's thing.