Episode 139 Discussion

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Originally posted by: xanbcoo
Except that he has no real reason to. The only reason he had for looking like his old self before was that he did it for the Third. I remember him saying something like, "I disguised myself as my old self so you could see me as you used to" or something. So why's he gone back to the MJ look?

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Why not, when we saw him after the fight with sarutobi he was in his old form. I would assume he prefers it as it probably reminds him of him. You know, a sentimental thing.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

That question is kind of like "why does Tsunade use a jutsu to look young?" They prefer that look is all.

Wow, why did i bother to catch up with the filler eps.

First
Begining of the episode, oh the angst and the drama, jeez what a load o' crap.

Second
What's with the "infiltration techniques". Run in from the closest door shouting and yelling? Reminds me of how brits waged their war in American Revolutionary War: wearing bright red uniforms, marching on the roads in neat lines, on open daylight, singing their marching song "Shoot me, shoot me, shoot me ...." (Okay that was ripped from Scott Adams, but anyway)
And of course splitting up is the only rational choice in that situation. Etc. Etc.

Third
Orochimaru's summer cottages defences... with all those ridiculous traps and Naruto, Sakura and Jiraya walking straight into them it was like watching that old Batman series, our heros Batman and Boy Wonder walking in and setting of every goddamn trap there is, while the bad guys are laughing their beards in somewhere else thinking they finally killed the dynamic duo.
I know that Orochimaru has some inane distrust of people and keeps throwing them in cells or stuffing them in barrels and what not, thus the lack of any human guards, but one would expect him to hone his trap laying skills after Sarutobi had breeched into his first lair.

Fourth
It doesn't really come as a surprise that Sakuras grasp of reality isn't all that great, what with this whole bloddy trip to save Sasuke, but wtf?!
She all astounished to hear that Orochimaru is hanging around in the vicinity of the premises. Holy crap does she think it's called "Orochimarus hideout" to get a better tourist appeal?

In short the episode has action, speed and some attempts of humor trying to cover up the lack of brain activity during script making. Sorry didn't fall for it. Next time don't hire some homeless alky you picked up from your way to work to do filler episodes for five bucks.

Oro should always stay in his old form, he's so beautifully drawn.

The good thing is that now we got rid of the boring story of Sasuke and the series has got a new wave., so we must see thw new adventures of Naruto. I think that this series has a long course and will pass Inuyasha number of episodes.

It totally will surpass Inuyasha's 167. It's just got a continuity to it.

Sakura's gonna own them all.

Hmm... who knows?
Maybe this is where sakura shows she HAS got some powers....

Even after getting disappointed all the time, i still think there's hope for her...
I mean.. she can't stay useless forever, can she?

Oh, and Kabuto is so very awesome! Really think he's one of the coolest chars in the anime, especially since I'm sure there's much more to him than we know now...

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Originally posted by: TranceCat
Sakura's gonna own them all.

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God, i dunno... I mean... when was the last time she flat out beat anyone one on one? She held her own against Zaku, Dosu and Kin but had to get considerable help from a crazed Sasuke... And she couldn't even beat Ino or help much at all in the Sound-Sand War....

Sakura has been so disappointing that her development of power is way overdue. But against KAbuto? God that would just make a complete mockery of one of my favorite Naruto characters, a proven, skilled, cunning ninja. Unless Naruto pulls some heavy surprises out or Jiraiya intervenes I expect Sakura to be taking a dirt nap...

But that is just me, and I never seem to be right (probably cuz I keep rooting for the bad guys) in anime... Sakura probably will kick some serious ass... oh my poor kabuto!

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Originally posted by: ChibiYali
Even after getting disappointed all the time, i still think there's hope for her...
I mean.. she can't stay useless forever, can she?

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Yes. Yes she can.

I'm holding out little hope that Sakura shows us sumthin, but this seems to be setup for a big let down. Sakura attempts to do something buts ends up being saved by Naruto.

Who else here thinks that Oro's new body realy looks a lot like Sasame's nephew, the one they're trying to save?

This might be the underlying plot line of the whole filler..... showing the origin of Orochimaru's new container.

Sasame's cousin you mean....

This was surprisingly better than what I expected. As with many people here, Jiraiya's pole was just damn funny. Who the hell would actually do that, especially with all that anticipation of what the hell he was going to do with that [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
As for Sakura's small attack against Kabuto, who can blame him for not seeing a kawarimi? She was in the shadows, after all, so he couldn't have seen what she did. Still, Oro's presence freezing Sakura, that was great.

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Originally posted by: James V
Who else here thinks that Oro's new body realy looks a lot like Sasame's nephew, the one they're trying to save?

This might be the underlying plot line of the whole filler..... showing the origin of Orochimaru's new container.

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I'd have to re-watch this to be sure, but I seem to remember them showing Arachi, and he didn't look like the dude who Orochimaru moved into, as far as I can recall.

What I thought to be the most implausible part of this episode is Jiraiya sending Naruto and Sakura off by themselves in the middle of Oro's hideout. It's like he's handing them to Orochimaru on a silver platter. Jiraiya of all people knows how inept Naruto is, especially when it comes to being careful. This was a terrible strategy. Maybe it allowed them to search more ground more quickly, but it weakened them sufficiently so that all were caught by traps.

Edit to below: You're right complich8, I think I've just become so desensitized to bad filler storyline, that things like that don't stick out for me as much anymore. Nothing in this arc really makes logical sense. However, one of the things I do expect is for them to remain true to the characters. They've shown before that they can do a decent job of this. I think that's why character inconsistencies bother me more.

I would say .... this whole arc is pretty implausible... Naruto already knows Sasuke's really gone and there's nothing he can do about it. Sakura already should be pretty aware of the fact too. And why do they have such an easy time finding Orochimaru's hideout? Why doesn't Orochimaru have a veritable freaking army of sound jounins like he had in the invasion of Konoha (knowing that many of them probably managed to leave when the retreat was called -- those guys weren't ALL sand y'know).

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Originally posted by: complich8
Why doesn't Orochimaru have a veritable freaking army of sound jounins like he had in the invasion of Konoha (knowing that many of them probably managed to leave when the retreat was called -- those guys weren't ALL sand y'know).

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Just to comment on this...

I'm not certain that Oro has that many Sound jounins at all. it's a relatively new village. Also, his best troopers have all been maybe at chuunin level, with a few notable exceptions.

The Sound 4 had to use their seals to take on 2 jounin, so they sure the heck weren't jounin. Kabuto is definitely jounin, but that's why he's Oro's right-hand man. Not too sure about Kimimaru, but he was also highly favored.

Other than that, the rest of the sound ninjas were nothing special. Certainly not special enough to be considered jounin.

this whole filler arc is pretty much as crappy as can get, i lost hope when that butterfly girl came out of that quasimoto guy, and seriously come on now how can they possibly enter orichimaru's lair so easily, i would've expected atleast multiple high level traps even certain jounins couldn't discover easily, they just walked in like nothing could even possibly happen , about sakura kicking ass, I don't think so she's too useless to do anything certainly while fighting against kabuto....i really hope these filler eps will end soon because i can't stand any more of these awful piece of crap fillers they are giving us, i would rewatch that other filler arc before i would ever watch these eps again

I think i would rather rewatch the Gohan's Birthday DBZ episode, the most useless episode in the series, 100 times instead of watching these naruturds.

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Originally posted by: wirm

Just to comment on this...

I'm not certain that Oro has that many Sound jounins at all. it's a relatively new village. Also, his best troopers have all been maybe at chuunin level, with a few notable exceptions.

The Sound 4 had to use their seals to take on 2 jounin, so they sure the heck weren't jounin. Kabuto is definitely jounin, but that's why he's Oro's right-hand man. Not too sure about Kimimaru, but he was also highly favored.

Other than that, the rest of the sound ninjas were nothing special. Certainly not special enough to be considered jounin.

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yet, it proves orochimaru has quite an army of ninjas at his disposal. I think what complich8 was trying to say is that why doesnt he send those men around to get rid of naruto and such. When they invaded his castle all three teams met up with only one enemy. (Jiraya met that girl) all others were just traps, so where exactly are the 30+ ninjas he should have around?

wouldn't YOU like to know? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

I bet oro said that they could take it easy because the konoha people don't form a threat or something...
The usual understimation case again, I'd assume...

*shrugs* we'll see..
maybe it's just a decoy base, as stated before...